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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: Neon Cricket on September 06, 2013, 12:39:41 PM
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I just wanted to bring this to attention of the users of Custom Bats. A local club to myself Worcester Dominies and Guild has been given a 200 point deduction due to their ground being "too small". They were promoted this year for the first time into Worcs Division 1 and were on track for a good mid table finish after proving themselves as contenders in the league. It has since been decided by the league that they will be receiving a 200 point deduction for their ground being apparently too small (I have played there many a time and it most certainly isn't - especially compared to a number of grounds in the local leagues!). This will obviously put them into automatic relegation and quite frankly we are disgusted with this. The ground was cleared at the start of the year for the season so how they can reverse this is beyond me! If you could all get behind WDGCC and show your support then hopefully the league will have to take notice over this matter!
You can follow the cause and support WDGCC on their twitter account here: https://twitter.com/WDGCC
In an age when grassroots cricket is growing at its best this sort of behaviour just cannot be allowed to happen. How can a club grow if it is being held back at every corner? I thank you for your time reading this and hopefully we will be able to find a solution for WDGCC if the cricketing family gets behind them and shows their support!!!
Best Regards,
Adam
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A petition has also been set up at: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/supportwdgcc/ (http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/supportwdgcc/)
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Waited til the end of the season to make sure they got relegated! Shocking behaviour from the league. Hop AllOutCricket read this and can write a story damning the league in the next issue!
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Never played or been to the ground myself, I play in div 3 of the worcs league and we played Burghill and Tillington, their boundary on the one side was literally a yard outside the 30yard circle - they wouldn't stand a chance.
This is shocking from the league.
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I have played there and it is a small ground but to relegate a team for it is sad. I heard they were planning to buy the neighbouring field. I am sure Harborne has an even tinier second team ground. It's one way of removing a threat for other teams, petty club politics.
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Leagues are invariably run by ageing dinosaurs .
Until that changes these thing will still happen..
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Never played or been to the ground myself, I play in div 3 of the worcs league and we played Burghill and Tillington, their boundary on the one side was literally a yard outside the 30yard circle - they wouldn't stand a chance.
Exactly my point, there are plenty of grounds in the Worcs league that are the same size (if not smaller!). Double standards from the league once again sadly!
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get the ECB involved would be my advice, Paul Bedford was the man for club cricket from memory.
Also take a look at the league constitution, is there a right of appeal against the grounds inspectors decision.
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This sounds ridiculous, if the ground was too small, why let them into the league? If the officials think the size was questionable, then they should have measured up at the time they got promoted.
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out of interest, how long have you been playing at this ground in this current league?
Is it a division thing? eg have to meet x standard to be in the prem...
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I just wanted to bring this to attention of the users of Custom Bats. A local club to myself Worcester Dominies and Guild has been given a 200 point deduction due to their ground being "too small". They were promoted this year for the first time into Worcs Division 1 and were on track for a good mid table finish after proving themselves as contenders in the league. It has since been decided by the league that they will be receiving a 200 point deduction for their ground being apparently too small (I have played there many a time and it most certainly isn't - especially compared to a number of grounds in the local leagues!). This will obviously put them into automatic relegation and quite frankly we are disgusted with this. The ground was cleared at the start of the year for the season so how they can reverse this is beyond me! If you could all get behind WDGCC and show your support then hopefully the league will have to take notice over this matter!
How many games did they play away and won surely if they won away from home how many and what points did they get as they could say their away record kept them in the division
You can follow the cause and support WDGCC on their twitter account here: https://twitter.com/WDGCC
In an age when grassroots cricket is growing at its best this sort of behaviour just cannot be allowed to happen. How can a club grow if it is being held back at every corner? I thank you for your time reading this and hopefully we will be able to find a solution for WDGCC if the cricketing family gets behind them and shows their support!!!
Best Regards,
Adam
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not great news for us as we are joining the worcs league for the first time next season and this sounds very dodgy
talked about entering us in div 4 rather than the bottom division so guess that will mean holding teams back from div 5 or not relegating a side in 3 to accomodate us
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With regards to the league regulations they met all the regulations at the start of the season (they had a checklist to fill, of which they spent a great deal of time and cash doing!). The ground was deemed fine at the start of the season so to somehow change their minds at the end is very suspect. I've played for 2 clubs in the Worcs league and both have had their troubles regarding age old regulations which only seem to apply for certain clubs... For example my current club was promoted to a division which "required" sight screens this season otherwise we couldn't go up. After a great deal of effort we managed to raise the funds required (the club lacks cash to be honest) and spent over £3,000 on sight screens. Naturally half the teams in the league didn't even have sight screens, the money definitely could've been spent better elsewhere improving the much needed existing facilities! There seems to be a lot of favouritism towards established clubs that have been around for yonks as opposed to the real grassroots clubs that have managed to grow into good level sides!
not great news for us as we are joining the worcs league for the first time next season and this sounds very dodgy
talked about entering us in div 4 rather than the bottom division so guess that will mean holding teams back from div 5 or not relegating a side in 3 to accomodate us
Where are you joining from? I currently play for a side in Div 5 and we've just finished 3rd, safe to say the team who finished 2nd won't be happy if they're denied their promotion haha!
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sums up how some of leagues are run most of thime
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If the pitch was said to be fine at the start of the season then I don't see how they can now come to the decision its too small and you basically need to be relegated :-[. Would be disappointing for a team to be playing potentially slightly sub-standard teams for a reason like this , especially with the way the league dealt with it.
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Never played there myself but playing at OE's, our ground isn't the biggest. In addition, in the Birmingham League, Harborne Cricket club is like playing on a junior pitch it's ridiculous. I would be interested to see who made this decision? Would it be Chris Marsh? I would be very surprised if this is the case as I have a lot of time for Chris.
Very bizarre indeed
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Small grounds are crap to play at as they just breed sluggers but of they were deemed acceptable at the start then the league should leave them alone
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Small grounds are crap to play at as they just breed sluggers but of they were deemed acceptable at the start then the league should leave them alone
Total rubbish!! We play at a small ground and has been voted the best ground in the league 2 years on the trot....
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Total rubbish!! We play at a small ground and has been voted the best ground in the league 2 years on the trot....
Total rubbish in your opinion. We are all allowed our own fella. I'm yet to play a team with a small ground who haven't just got a load of hitters. Also I didn't say they weren't nice grounds as far as wickets go! In fact they are usually great tracks as it plays to their strength.
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Total rubbish in your opinion. We are all allowed our own fella. I'm yet to play a team with a small ground who haven't just got a load of hitters. Also I didn't say they weren't nice grounds as far as wickets go! In fact they are usually great tracks as it plays to their strength.
Surely if they all want to be hitters then who re you to say that it's rubbish playing there? Lol. Surely it's to your advantage if they are a load of hitters. A small ground is the same for both sides. Surely playing on a small ground is to your advantage as well as the opposition?
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Surely if they all want to be hitters then who re you to say that it's rubbish playing there? Lol. Surely it's to your advantage if they are a load of hitters. A small ground is the same for both sides. Surely playing on a small ground is to your advantage as well as the opposition?
I'm yet to play in an enjoyable game on a small ground, lots of runs scored yes but mainly just big slogs through the line. Birth sides do it as you say but people I speak to (unless they like just smashing it) would rather play on bigger outfields that stop people just biffing it. Each to their own though, I just said they are crap to play at and it's personal opinion, as his his. I'm not saying his opinion is wrong.
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This sounds very fishy to me! I played for Barnard's Green for years so know just how the Worcester League make up their own rules as they go along. Different entry rules for different divisions, can't get promoted unless you have a second team, overs and bowling restrictions vary dependant on division and divisions re-jigged almost every year. Not played at Dominies ground but there are a number of teams with very small grounds in the league. Anyway how does it make any difference as everyone gets the same chance to hit boundaries. Only thing I can think of is higher scores = more bonus points, but 200 points, that's a joke! Must be some other reason they not letting on about.
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I know someone who is part of the Worcs league management and will find out more tomorrow if I meet him.
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Surely if they all want to be hitters then who re you to say that it's rubbish playing there? Lol. Surely it's to your advantage if they are a load of hitters. A small ground is the same for both sides. Surely playing on a small ground is to your advantage as well as the opposition?
I agree Wilkie, look at it like this
Most leagues have batting points for scoring a certain amount of runs
If you play all home games on a small ground then it may be argued that you have an unfair advantage in trying to score bonus batting points.
I personally love em, less running to do.
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I worked out a few seasons ago with the help of google earth that the teams with the smallest grounds in our league had the highest batting points. There wasn't many points in it to be fair so 200 point deduction does seen ludicrous!
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Smaller grounds breeds cannier bowlers and captains.
If you're not good enough to adapt your game (as a batsmen, bowler or captain) then it's your problem, not the grounds
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I agree Wilkie, look at it like this
Most leagues have batting points for scoring a certain amount of runs
If you play all home games on a small ground then it may be argued that you have an unfair advantage in trying to score bonus batting points.
I personally love em, less running to do.
Less running is always, always a winner!
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I like small grounds they usually have more character than bigger grounds.
And the WDGCC ground isn't actually that small- admitted it wasn't that big square but straight was a good distance hit.
It isn't really about the size of the ground its just the odd decision with three games left WDGCC are faced with a 200pt deduction out of nowhere.
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Do they need any players?? :D
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Having spoken to a few people about this today I have heard some different views as to the reason to the 200 point deduction. The size of the ground does not appear to be the sole reason for this deduction. Dominies were promoted last year under the proviso that they improved certain aspects of their ground by this time of the year. So essentially they had about 12 months to make the desired improvements. I am not sure what those improvements were meant to be but this seems to be the real reason for the deduction.
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Having played there myself in a league game this surprised me! Both teams have the same advantages and disadvantages from playing on the same pitch, and 200 points is too extreme!
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I see they got hammered today. Hardly surprising considering what the league have just handed out to them.
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Having spoken to a few people about this today I have heard some different views as to the reason to the 200 point deduction. The size of the ground does not appear to be the sole reason for this deduction. Dominies were promoted last year under the proviso that they improved certain aspects of their ground by this time of the year. So essentially they had about 12 months to make the desired improvements. I am not sure what those improvements were meant to be but this seems to be the real reason for the deduction.
They were supposed to put some work into the improving changing room facilities and start preparing the neighbouring fields for next year. They met their first deadline on April 1st , but didn't do further work before September 1st which is why the late points deduction and relegation.
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I've just found this
http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/sport/10660624.Relegation_threat_for_Worcester_s_Dominies_and_Guild_cricketers/?ref=nt (http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/sport/10660624.Relegation_threat_for_Worcester_s_Dominies_and_Guild_cricketers/?ref=nt)
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I've just found this
[url]http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/sport/10660624.Relegation_threat_for_Worcester_s_Dominies_and_Guild_cricketers/?ref=nt[/url] ([url]http://www.worcesternews.co.uk/sport/10660624.Relegation_threat_for_Worcester_s_Dominies_and_Guild_cricketers/?ref=nt[/url])
It's harsh, but the article suggests that it hasn't exactly come out of the blue.
Dominies chairman Ian Wilks said: “I admit that we signed the document last season, but all of our lads are devastated with the situation.
I had to sign a contract with the league along the lines of if the Cinderella Ground wasn’t ready for next season, we would be deducted 200 points.
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As mentioned very harsh but not out of the blue.
It got me thinking about our ground (Asvion) which is by far the smallest in the length I´ve ever seen. We are hemmed by trees on three sides so that won´t change in a hurry. But I think we are lucky that we play in a different league and we are attached to a larger hockey club so we have a pretty good club house. And of course decent lunches and a very social third innings with visiting teams help. Just ask Aspenden when they come on tour every other year.
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I have just had a quick look at the Worcester County League Website.
This is quite interesting
WIDES 2013
Experimental trial for 1st XI matches in Divisions One and Two only for 2013 – any ball that passes outside the Batsman on the Leg side is to be called a wide.
Lines are to be drawn on the crease to indicate an offside wide in ALL matches in ALL divisions. The lines must be drawn 17" from the inside of each of the two return creases. They will therefore be two feet 6 and a half inches from the outside of the leg and off stumps. Umpires will be instructed to call a wide for any ball that they consider has passed outside of these lines.
If that was applied in our league, we would still be playing the opening game of the season.
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Same rule in the west of England premier leagues. Saves any arguments over leg side wides.
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Same rule in the west of England premier leagues. Saves any arguments over leg side wides.
Yep, I also think its a good way to do it. Everyone knows where they stand and you take away the inconsistent umpiring. Bowl down leg side, its a wide. Simples as they say.
Yes at the lower level stayed be more wides but then maybe they need 'punishing' to push people to improve?
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There are a few "economy" bowlers in the Worcs league thats going to get hurt by this rule.
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There are a few "economy" bowlers in the Worcs league thats going to get hurt by this rule.
Sounds like they bowl negatively if that's the case.
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we have used that in the 50 over games in the surrey champ for ages - it isn't a massive deal.
It isn't that hard to bowl straight.
Having said that our opening bowler decided that, for the first time in 5 years, he would try to hit the stumps rather than bowl "in the corridor".
It made a rather big difference to the number of wickets he got (positively...)
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Hahah, I played a couple of games there last season, and my god is it small. Being someone who has played all my cricket in Australia on big grounds, then coming over and playing at grounds like this was an eye opener!
No good for being a bowler either!
An evening League game we played on here was fun though.
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Hahah, I played a couple of games there last season, and my god is it small. Being someone who has played all my cricket in Australia on big grounds, then coming over and playing at grounds like this was an eye opener!
No good for being a bowler either!
An evening League game we played on here was fun though.
Agree, I played in the TVL and Sussex Invitation Leagues and hardly every came across a small ground. Nearest we ever got was being on one side of the square. I moved to Yorkshire and they have plenty of older grounds that are practically postage stamps in comparison. Difference being is the wickets do plenty and don't aid run scoring, so it doesn't really matter. However, combine a good track with a small ground and you do get a bonus point advantage with batting scores ie. 200+ is much more achievable on a small ground
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Any idea whats happening with this matter? Is it to be appealed etc?
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I don't think anything can be done. They had to sign a contract stipulating the Cinderella ground in St Johns needed to be prepared etc and by all accounts not much has been done to it so relegation is the unfortunate outcome.