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Title: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: Nato on September 19, 2013, 04:26:37 PM
Was watching one of the champions league t20 qualifiers this morning, and the otago volts keeper had no pads of any description on, not even shin pads under his trousers.  I personally wouldn't dream of keeping without pads on, as in my opinion all four limbs are useable for stopping the ball, and as a result the legs should be protected. What do you think-would you consider keeping like this, or even use shin pads under your whites as opposed to full leg keeping pads?
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Post by: Nickauger on September 19, 2013, 04:49:10 PM
Have done, and had no problem doing so! But then, my hands are pretty good ;)
Title: Re: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: Nato on September 19, 2013, 04:56:11 PM
I know brendon mccullum kept with no pads when bj watling injured himself mid
 Test match, but he reverted to wearing pads the next day. What were the circumstances behind you keeping without pads?
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Post by: Sam on September 19, 2013, 05:00:00 PM
When watching England women v Australia women at the rose bowl I'm quite confident Sarah Taylor had no pads on? Guess the balls coming a bit slower then though , but would still hurt!
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Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 19, 2013, 05:02:55 PM
Didn't Prior keep without pads in a warmup game in Sri Lanka just because of the temperature

When watching England women v Australia women at the rose bowl I'm quite confident Sarah Taylor had no pads on? Guess the balls coming a bit slower then though , but would still hurt!
I'm more confident she had pads under her trousers haha
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Post by: jamielsn15 on September 20, 2013, 07:15:25 AM
When watching England women v Australia women at the rose bowl I'm quite confident Sarah Taylor had no pads on? Guess the balls coming a bit slower then though , but would still hurt!

They're bowling mid-high 70mph.  Fairly certain one of those flush on the shin is going to smart!
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Post by: tim2000s on September 20, 2013, 07:19:23 AM
Doesn't she wear those shin pad things under her trousers?
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Post by: Nickauger on September 20, 2013, 07:35:55 AM
I know brendon mccullum kept with no pads when bj watling injured himself mid
 Test match, but he reverted to wearing pads the next day. What were the circumstances behind you keeping without pads?

I hadn't expected to be keeping, and figured no pads were better than wearing the boys' lords taverners ones that were available at the club!
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Post by: MD2812 on September 20, 2013, 08:14:08 AM
I remember Matt Prior not wearing any in the baking heat one game.

I wouldn't because each game I can guarantee one will come through to me at ankle level and I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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Post by: jamielsn15 on September 20, 2013, 08:23:45 AM
I wouldn't, primarily because i'm not good enough - I can guarantee that I'll get at least one on the pads per innings.

The other thing to take into account is the standard of pitches - how many times do you take one from your quick at chest height then a couple of balls later one runs through to you at ankle height?
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Post by: mr_wickets on September 20, 2013, 08:26:43 AM
I wouldn't recommend a club player keep without pads as the wickets aren't going to be as consistent as the international wickets. Always a chance one will keep low on you in a club game.
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Post by: MD2812 on September 20, 2013, 08:28:21 AM
found the pic, in the heat he wanted to save energy.

(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/143700/143772.jpg)
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Post by: Nickauger on September 20, 2013, 08:50:44 AM
I don't see it as being any different to standing in the slips all day! Except easier because you're wearing gloves!
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Post by: Butterfingerz on September 20, 2013, 09:57:46 AM
Personally I'd never keep without them as I enjoy standing up to the stumps. The number of times a thick bottom edge has cannoned into my pads does bare thinking about and for that reasona lone I've never not wear them!
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Post by: ilanz_bess on September 20, 2013, 12:02:53 PM
When watching England women v Australia women at the rose bowl I'm quite confident Sarah Taylor had no pads on? Guess the balls coming a bit slower then though , but would still hurt!


She wears hockey styled pads under her trousers....check out this article http://www.alloutcricket.com/player/gear/gear-this-week-do-you-need-wicketkeeping-pads (http://www.alloutcricket.com/player/gear/gear-this-week-do-you-need-wicketkeeping-pads)
Title: Re: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: Nato on September 20, 2013, 05:56:01 PM
Thing is, modern wicket keeping pads are so light that it shouldn't make a lot of difference in our climate. I appreciate the reason for doing it out extreme heat though, but I don't think I'd even trust my technique enough to do it in that kind of climate!
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Post by: thecord on September 21, 2013, 12:07:50 PM
I really can't see any reason to do this as I don't find keeping pads to be at all prohibitive.
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Post by: Nato on September 21, 2013, 12:40:17 PM
This is my point exactly. I barely even notice I'm wearing mine during a game, even when it's a slog in the field.
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Post by: Jacky on September 21, 2013, 12:41:45 PM
There have been a few changes lately regarding wicket keeping attire, not just pads, but taking off of gloves in the final overs, to restrict singles being taken.
Title: Re: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: Nato on September 21, 2013, 01:02:05 PM
But they're not doing away with gloves altogether. I know that one glove off is common now, and is a technique I've employed this season late on in an innings, but to do away with what is a standard piece of gear in your pads seems a bit strange to me.
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Post by: Damo on March 10, 2014, 08:29:54 PM
i have gone pad less on occasion where the pitch has had good bounce and there is only a small chance of a ball that shoots low if so you just gotta rely on good glove work or your gonna have one to the shins, i took one just on my ankle and very much regret it as my ankle went like a football, but pads now days are so light and let your legs breathe so much its not worth the risk of going pad less, after 10 overs of concentration and focusing on the game i forget about my pads anyway.
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Post by: Simmy on March 11, 2014, 08:07:17 AM
i dont ware pads indoor when keeping as i know its bouncy and will never get a shooter.

but in a real game i couldnt do it with out pads for to oftern do i take one on the shin.

even with thin pads it still hurts
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Post by: Jenko on March 11, 2014, 09:52:51 AM
I often don't keep with a box on! Reason why is I open the bowling, bowl 5 or 6 overs then take over the wicket keeping duties for 20 overs or so, and don't have time to go off the field and put a box on.
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Post by: Butterfingerz on March 11, 2014, 10:09:09 AM
I have kept without pads on in the nets untill 5 weeks ago when a bottom edge crashed into my left shin....theres still a lump there now!

Title: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: Nato on September 14, 2014, 02:54:09 PM
I kept in hockey shin guards yesterday, and I can honestly say I played better than at any other point in the season. My movement and glovework were both far better, and my concentration levels were improved as well, presumably because of the "danger" element!


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Title: Re: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: mdg20 on September 14, 2014, 09:37:11 PM
There have been a few changes lately regarding wicket keeping attire, not just pads, but taking off of gloves in the final overs, to restrict singles being taken.

People do this? Seems like madness, very very very occassionly the throwing hand glove comes off whilst a throw from the deep comes in if i know ill need to throw straight to the bowlers end but not wearing them completely seems daft.
If needs be just practice under arming the ball to the stumps with your gloves on.
Title: Re: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: Nato on September 14, 2014, 09:42:34 PM
That's not always enough at the end of the innings, an underarm throw racing a batsman with a ten yard head start won't do it, not when you're stood back to a seamer at the death. Any extra 1% has got to be a good thing, surely?
Title: Re: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: mdg20 on September 14, 2014, 09:47:28 PM
That's not always enough at the end of the innings, an underarm throw racing a batsman with a ten yard head start won't do it, not when you're stood back to a seamer at the death. Any extra 1% has got to be a good thing, surely?

Stand up?
You say an extra 1% but if the seamer is that quick i'm not sure trying to take his delivers with no gloves on will give you an advantage to be honest.
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Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 14, 2014, 09:51:21 PM
Stand up?
You say an extra 1% but if the seamer is that quick i'm not sure trying to take his delivers with no gloves on will give you an advantage to be honest.
This!

I'm only a part time keeper at best, but I was doing it in a 3 side 12 over slog.
I stood up the whole time (only 4 byes down the leg side) and even if I wasn't taking them clean, I was stopping the balls from the seamers so preventing them running through to me.

I did get a runout with only one glove on but that was down to a comedy of errors haha
Title: Re: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: Nato on September 14, 2014, 09:52:12 PM
I personally would rather stand back with one glove and have a shy when the batsman sets off than stand up and risk an errant delivery going for even more runs. I appreciate it won't work for everyone, but one hand to take the ball and the gloveless one to throw down the stumps has worked for me in the past.
Title: Re: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 14, 2014, 09:54:10 PM
I personally would rather stand back with one glove and have a shy when the batsman sets off than stand up and risk an errant delivery going for even more runs. I appreciate it won't work for everyone, but one hand to take the ball and the gloveless one to throw down the stumps has worked for me in the past.
I struggle enough to catch it wearing dinner plate sized gloves with webbing and a sticky surface, so I wouldn't make it more difficult for myself if I could help it  :D
Title: Re: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: Nato on September 14, 2014, 09:54:49 PM

I struggle enough to catch it wearing dinner plate sized gloves with webbing and a sticky surface, so I wouldn't make it more difficult for myself if I could help it  :D

Lmao!!
Title: Re: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: mdg20 on September 14, 2014, 10:02:36 PM
I personally would rather stand back with one glove and have a shy when the batsman sets off than stand up and risk an errant delivery going for even more runs. I appreciate it won't work for everyone, but one hand to take the ball and the gloveless one to throw down the stumps has worked for me in the past.

if it really is the case of needing to prevent even the odd bye going through then stand up and don't give them even a chance of running. If its fired down the legside and you miss it, that's the bowlers fault not yours.
Even with the glove off, you still need to take it cleanly and then hit the stumps. Realistically you aren't going to do that every time.
Title: Re: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: Nato on September 14, 2014, 10:05:37 PM
But you're giving yourself a better chance standing back, even with one glove, of doing that, than standing up. At least this is my experience of keeping at the death anyway. That's why we love this job, we all do it in slightly different ways :)
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Post by: mdg20 on September 15, 2014, 12:03:29 AM
But you're giving yourself a better chance standing back, even with one glove, of doing that, than standing up. At least this is my experience of keeping at the death anyway. That's why we love this job, we all do it in slightly different ways :)

There is no chance if you stand up - as they cant/wont run.
Title: Re: Keeping without pads-would you?
Post by: Damo on September 15, 2014, 08:16:38 PM
if you back yourself and the bowler my thoughts are stand up, if stood back i would still wear both gloves and underarm at the stumps, on a lot of pitches i play on you do on occasion get some that shoot or fizz i dont fancy stopping them with only one glove on even more so if one goes down leg, but it also depends on what the batsman is or is not doing, every situation is different, confidence counts for a lot,