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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: Tail Ender on September 23, 2013, 07:52:35 AM
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The English touring squad to Australia is due to be announced today. I've read a couple of articles claiming Ballance, Stokes and Rankin are going to be the bolters, with Graeme Onions to miss out.
The Telegraph are claiming the below as the likely squad; I guess someone else will post the actual squad when it is named.
AN Cook (capt), JE Root, IJL Trott, KP Pietersen, IR Bell, JM Bairstow, MJ Prior (w/k), SCJ Broad, GP Swann, JM Anderson, ST Finn, WB Rankin, BJ Stokes, MS Panesar, MA Carberry, GS Ballance, TT Bresnan (to join when fit).
Thoughts on that lot then, lads?
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Can't see Carberry making the cut after his recent form but you never know, other than that I'd be pretty happy if that's the side they go for.
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I hope they give Nick Compton another chance...
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If Andrew Gale makes the trip I'm Don Bradman's box.
Nice subterfuge Nick....
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Could they give James Taylor ago over Bairstow ?
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The English touring squad to Australia is due to be announced today. I've read a couple of articles claiming Ballance, Stokes and Rankin are going to be the bolters, with Graeme Onions to miss out.
The Telegraph are claiming the below as the likely squad; I guess someone else will post the actual squad when it is named.
AN Cook (capt), JE Root, IJL Trott, KP Pietersen, IR Bell, JM Bairstow, MJ Prior (w/k), SCJ Broad, GP Swann, JM Anderson, ST Finn, WB Rankin, BJ Stokes, MS Panesar, MA Carberry, GS Ballance, TT Bresnan (to join when fit).
Thoughts on that lot then, lads?
8 batsmen and an all rounder but only four seamers until Bresnan arrives? I can't really see that happening....
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Can't wait till the Aussies smash 'em this time round ;)
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Panesar ?????
I doubt it very much.
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If Taylor does not make the squad then it's a travesty, especially when the bat-pad gate specialist Bairstow gets a chance ahead of him..
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If Taylor does not make the squad then it's a travesty, especially when the bat-pad gate specialist Bairstow gets a chance ahead of him..
Bairstow will go as back up keeper I reckon...
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Panesar will be in the squad.
Think Carberry/Compton/Vince will all be in the A squad.
Ballance is a good shout!
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Tredwell the consumate professional will be in ahead of Panesar surely. Sends out a completely wrong message if Panesar gets on the plane, if someone can act like a clown at his age and go on the biggest tour an England cricketer can go on then its a huge travesty.
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Bairstow will go as back up keeper I reckon...
I agree, but if he goes, the short one goes, he's been different gravy this season, and let's be honest he didn't do a great deal wrong against SA...
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I agree, but if he goes, the short one goes, he's been different gravy this season, and let's be honest he didn't do a great deal wrong against SA...
has he? his first class record is not as good as Gary Ballance, James Vince or Moeen Ali and is only marginally better than Varun Chopra and Sam Robson...as for South Africa, the difference between his performance Bairstow's demonstrates exactly why JB is the man in possession!
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Tredwell the consumate professional will be in ahead of Panesar surely. Sends out a completely wrong message if Panesar gets on the plane, if someone can act like a clown at his age and go on the biggest tour an England cricketer can go on then its a huge travesty.
But Panesar will not get taken apart and Tredwell, for all his personal qualities, will.
I'd take Adil Rashid personally - if Swann is injured, play Rashid as six bat and get a few overs from him behind four quicks.
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Gary Balances first class record is grossly over inflated by him wintering in Zim and basically getting a ton every time he goes out to bat. For me though, Taylor ain't good enough when the top order is already full of grinders.
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has he? his first class record is not as good as Gary Ballance, James Vince or Moeen Ali and is only marginally better than Varun Chopra and Sam Robson...as for South Africa, the difference between his performance Bairstow's demonstrates exactly why JB is the man in possession!
He plays at a ground that favours the quicks, not at a small ground with a flat track like Taunton for example, and in a side that has struggled with the bat (Lumb and one innings from Samit aside) he has been the consistent run-scorer. And as for Bairstow's performances against SA, what has he done since? It's a sad state of affairs when Woakes in one game at 6 has looked more comfortable and suitable there than Bairstow has all summer!
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But Panesar will not get taken apart and Tredwell, for all his personal qualities, will.
I'd take Adil Rashid personally - if Swann is injured, play Rashid as six bat and get a few overs from him behind four quicks.
Borthwick would be deserving of a second spinner/allrounder if he had bowled more overs. Lets be honest Rashid, Briggs, Borthwick would be better options than the poor Aussies spinners that were on show last time we went down under.
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He plays at a ground that favours the quicks, not at a small ground with a flat track like Taunton for example, and in a side that has struggled with the bat (Lumb and one innings from Samit aside) he has been the consistent run-scorer. And as for Bairstow's performances against SA, what has he done since? It's a sad state of affairs when Woakes in one game at 6 has looked more comfortable and suitable there than Bairstow has all summer!
It's easy to forget that JB helped setup the TB win on said bowlers' wicket in his first Ashes Test.
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Gary Balances first class record is grossly over inflated by him wintering in Zim and basically getting a ton every time he goes out to bat. For me though, Taylor ain't good enough when the top order is already full of grinders.
I was referring to his average of 55 plus this season!
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He plays at a ground that favours the quicks, not at a small ground with a flat track like Taunton for example, and in a side that has struggled with the bat (Lumb and one innings from Samit aside) he has been the consistent run-scorer. And as for Bairstow's performances against SA, what has he done since? It's a sad state of affairs when Woakes in one game at 6 has looked more comfortable and suitable there than Bairstow has all summer!
don't agree with that at all. Bairstow was poorly treated by England for the best part of 12 months, acting as a glorified drinks waiter - as such he deserved the patience that he has been shown. He made valuable runs against NZ at Headingley and in the first coupel of Ashes tests, chipping in thereafter. Not jaw dropping form, but showing the qualities that are worth sticking with.
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It would be quite harsh not to take Bairstow. He was part of the majority of the Ashes series where England won the series. Also Very harsh not to take Taylor. I thought he did everything they asked of him, went to play for Sussex to play some 4 day stuff if KP wasn't fit, scored a big ton and then gets forgotten about.
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Okay this is the 17 man squad...Cook Prior Anderson Bairstow Ballance Bell Broad Carberry Finn Panesar Pietersen Rankin Root Stokes Swann Tremlett Trott... One question. Where the (No Swearing Please) is Graham Onions! Sorry for swearing but Jesus, the bloke helped Durham to their 3rd championship title in 6 years and is comfortably the best fast bowler in County cricket. He's not even in the performance squad! This is criminal!
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He's playing in Natal and i read a quote suggesting he is first reserve should anything happen to Anderson. Whilst i think he should be there from the start i can see that playing Lions cricket might not be the best for him
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Yeah, might seem harsh, but he does not seem a bowler particularly well suited to aussies pitches.
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Compton is unlucky not to be in the squad (and I a degree so is Woakes)
Very surprised (but happy) to see Carbs going. Hopefully he gets a game or 5 giving more exposure for Tom's helmets on the biggest stage of them all.
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Some of the selections in the squad are a joke.
Bairstow shouldnt be in at all - cant get in the side regularly as a batsman, definately shouldnt be there as a keeper. he seems to be the guy you take on tour to carry drinks. barely plays! Buttler would have been a much better choice.
Carberry - scored sod all in the CC this year. one day yes, test match no
Rankin - that was a given. think he deserves his place.
Tremlett - in the squad on last ashes in aus form.
Ballance - had a good season. not a bad selection
Monty - not sure. toss up between him and tredwell. fortunate to be included i think.
Stokes - really not sure about his CC form. useful in the one dayers but unsure on test selection.
Feel really sorry for Compton. Roots been average for england in all formats for a few months. with the exception of one test innings this year hes struggled. seems to have lost his edge. Root at 6 to get his form back and Compton to open. What does he have to do to get in the team?
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I think Carberry should think himself lucky to be honest
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Roots been average for england in all formats for a few months. with the exception of one test innings this year hes struggled. seems to have lost his edge.
His 90* in the t20 would have been hailed as a awesome innings, but got lost cos finch scored 155
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His 90* in the t20 would have been hailed as a awesome innings, but got lost cos finch scored 155
lol didnt see the england innings so didnt know he scored 90*. you can kind of see my point though? has looked a different player from where he started most of the time
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Gary Balances first class record is grossly over inflated by him wintering in Zim and basically getting a ton every time he goes out to bat. For me though, Taylor ain't good enough when the top order is already full of grinders.
I fail to see why that makes him a bad player? Just because he scores lots of runs in Zimbabwe doesn't mean he shouldn't tour. Hes scored a lot of runs in England as well over the last 2 years at least.
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Yeah, might seem harsh, but he does not seem a bowler particularly well suited to aussies pitches.
You're right that is harsh. As I understand it most Australian Test surfaces are prepared to be fast and bouncy, with a couple of exceptions. What fast bowler isn't suited to that..? Especially one that is confident with plenty of wickets under his belt. I far rather see Onions out there than Tremlett, who has barely played any cricket recently. I agree with Red Ink, Tremmers is in there because he terrorized the Aussies last time out. 2 and half years is a long while in cricket.
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I dont think compton was ever going to get a look in as hes been dropped from all formats over the summer, the selectors would be eating a big slice of humble pie if they rang him up to recall him having not had him play against the aussies all summer.
Suprised monty has made the squad as a few rumblings about Samit perhaps getting a look in which would have made sense as a second spinner/batsmen option. Think Tredwell has to feel a bit hard done by after putting in a few decent performances with the ball too!
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Its a big squad - effectively 18 as we all know that Bresnan will be added if he recovers in time, which he looks set to do. My suspicion would be that Stokes and Balance, possibly Finn as well, will be sent over to the performance squad to keep match sharp fairly early on.
Is it the right squad? I think it has to be pretty close - the three major omissions are Compton, Taylor and Onions and in each case I can see the rationale - perhaps it is a little harsh on Compton to some observers, but I think the attitude he showed once dropped put a few noses out of joint at the ECB and that, combined with Carberry showing such composure playing Johnson in the one dayers, swung it against him. Taylor for Ballance? 50/50 call - I think Balance is well suited to a spot at six so, yeah, I like. Onions is just bloody unlucky - but in truth, I don't know who I would have left out for him. Finn? Perhaps, but Finn is deemed to be "the future" so....
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At least Onions has had a shot Poor Glen Chapple never even got that.
Overall i like the look of the squad maybe i would have swapped Monty for Samit but cant grumble not a bad squad at all.
Is it too early to say make or break for some but i suspect half that squad is playing for there futures which they should be..
There something special about Stokes i just get that feeling without making comparisons with another all rounder from a few years ago but i think he has a special talent but maybe a little too soon.
I suspect England will cruise this series a bigger victory margin than in England i suspect better batting pitches but lets be honest Australia cant bat i suspect England will.
I did suspect a close series in England i think the pitches played into there hands a tad but i expect things from England top order out there..
Is Harris injured yet???
Mitchell Johnson behave
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I did suspect a close series in England i think the pitches played into there hands a tad but i expect things from England top order out there..
This is the funniest thing I've ever read on this forum. You're talking about the pitches that were openly doctored to favour Graeme Swann? Come on!
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This is the funniest thing I've ever read on this forum. You're talking about the pitches that were openly doctored to favour Graeme Swann? Come on!
Yes they where but also doctored for slow low scoring affairs as well look at England top order hardly a 50 between them bar Bell.
What i'm trying to say is if it a batting paradise i suspect England batting is better than theres and as the bowling is say similar bar our spinner there lies the the key to a bigger England victory.
We won 3-0 but it was much much closer than the scoreline suggests i expect England to dominate in Australia like the last tour.
I believe we read into there Indian hammering too much like i say bar Bell nobody had a good series with the bat.
There be more runs and our real edge over Australia is batting of course only my opinion.
Look at the test averages the "doctoring hardly helped our batting as well did it"
They have slightly better seamers than us.
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we deliberatley prepared dry tracks for swann and reverse for anderson
that took most of our other bowlers out of it bar an inspired test by broad.
it's a fairly recent thing here but other countries do it and we have followed-quite rightly.however most of the batsmen struggled except bell who is top class
not massively happy with the touring squad-compton and patel spoke out against the selectors and got punished
this is not a sunday knock about pick-your-mates
i'm afraid england are becoming a closed shop-something they always deny.
carberry is in that's good but anyone who realy thinks Compton got a fair chance needs their head examining
ravi bopara chances anyone?
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Root is golden boy lets see after a series out there.
Agree about Compton but was he really good enough i guess we might not find out.
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Root is golden boy lets see after a series out there.
Agree about Compton but was he really good enough i guess we might not find out.
you cant tell if someones good enough after such a short period. to score 2 test tons against anyone is still a test ton and still takes skill and ability. he dug in against india, facing spinners first up is never easy. the way the media and everyone got on his back as soon as he had a couple of low scores was shocking. theres pressure to perform anyway, let alone when the worlds ready to stick the knife in. I dont blame him one bit for his reaction. England were bang out of order with the way it happened. Roots face fits, unfortunately for compton, his doesnt. Root hasnt done much recently but wheres the knifes for his place? no where to be seen.
I dont believe that Samit should be in the squad as i personally dont think he is good enough but you can also understand his frustrations. as a county player he hasnt done much wrong. good county player but unsure if hes good enough for a test career
Onions - well unless he grows 6 inches and puts on about 2 stone in muscle he wont get picked. other option is england change their policy and selection ideas - that wont happen though!
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you cant tell if someones good enough after such a short period. to score 2 test tons against anyone is still a test ton and still takes skill and ability. he dug in against india, facing spinners first up is never easy. the way the media and everyone got on his back as soon as he had a couple of low scores was shocking. theres pressure to perform anyway, let alone when the worlds ready to stick the knife in. I dont blame him one bit for his reaction. England were bang out of order with the way it happened. Roots face fits, unfortunately for compton, his doesnt. Root hasnt done much recently but wheres the knifes for his place? no where to be seen.
I dont believe that Samit should be in the squad as i personally dont think he is good enough but you can also understand his frustrations. as a county player he hasnt done much wrong. good county player but unsure if hes good enough for a test career
Onions - well unless he grows 6 inches and puts on about 2 stone in muscle he wont get picked. other option is england change their policy and selection ideas - that wont happen though!
I'm one of Compton fans and totally understand his frustrations.
I have never been a big Root fan and make no bones of this i don't think he is a test opener and as i have said he might not have nowhere to hide after the series down there.
Anybody who wears the England shirt though i wish good luck indeed
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I'm one of Compton fans and totally understand his frustrations.
I have never been a big Root fan and make no bones of this i don't think he is a test opener and as i have said he might not have nowhere to hide after the series down there.
Anybody who wears the England shirt though i wish good luck indeed
that wasnt a dig at you by the way. was just in response to you finding out if hes good enough comment.
on another side - Monty is one lucky man!
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compeletely agree
panesar should be nowhere near the squad,it's not as it he's even got buckets of wickets. danny briggs if we want a left armer.
i actually think our selectors have lost the plot and worried about the influence of ashley giles too...
Flower is the best thing to happen to english cricket ever but we have been very inconsistent with selection
Root I like very much but agree with pro cricket,top class opening the batting is a tough game and you cannot play everything off the back foot
I thought the Aussie bowling sorted out root and trott this year
they are a decent bowling outfit-but lacking desparatley in the batting
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Shocking selection from England , I just can't understand why Onions hasn't been selected in the test team.
But what was more surprising was the lack of Borthwick and Taylor from the performance squad.
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Root is golden boy lets see after a series out there.
Agree about Compton but was he really good enough i guess we might not find out.
One thing about Root is that he is a class player of fast bowling and plays very well off the back foot, having played most of his cricket on the fast, bouncy tracks for Yorkshire. I think he will do very well out there.
To be honest I do see Australia struggling to keep England under wraps on there tracks. 500+ for 1 again anyone?
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Shocking selection from England , I just can't understand why Onions has been selected in the test team.
Erm, he hasn't?
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Erm, he hasn't?
Sorry lack of proof reading on my part . The mistake has been amended
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Is it just me that feels England have done the right thing in not selecting Onions as he wont be in the starting 11 so letting him play competitive first team FCC in SA for Natal in a reasonably similar climate and on reasonably similar pitches in a better thing to do and bring him over if he is needed rather than him sitting on his (No Swearing Please) in a changing room and not getting a competitive bowl all winter.
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you cant tell if someones good enough after such a short period. to score 2 test tons against anyone is still a test ton and still takes skill and ability. he dug in against india, facing spinners first up is never easy. the way the media and everyone got on his back as soon as he had a couple of low scores was shocking. theres pressure to perform anyway, let alone when the worlds ready to stick the knife in. I dont blame him one bit for his reaction. England were bang out of order with the way it happened. Roots face fits, unfortunately for compton, his doesnt. Root hasnt done much recently but wheres the knifes for his place? no where to be seen.
True he made two test tons but - lets be honest here - he did so on pitches that were somewhere south of the feathery roads he is used to batting on at Taunton. That's not to knock the guy, but I do think you need to place those innings in the wider context - which is that at no other point in his nine tests did he look a convincing option. Yes, he might have made a case for a second chance, but I suspect the feeling was that a combination of his lack of suitability to partner Cook, his lack of decisive footwork and his poor attitude when dropped counted against him.
Root...look, the kid is going to be world class. That said, I do somewhat suspect that he needs clarity from the selectors - he either opens in all formats, or he bats four in all.
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Is it just me that feels England have done the right thing in not selecting Onions as he wont be in the starting 11 so letting him play competitive first team FCC in SA for Natal in a reasonably similar climate and on reasonably similar pitches in a better thing to do and bring him over if he is needed rather than him sitting on his (No Swearing Please) in a changing room and not getting a competitive bowl all winter.
If that had been openly stated, yeah - but the way it has been presented its a snub.
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Shocking selection from England , I just can't understand why Onions hasn't been selected in the test team.
But what was more surprising was the lack of Borthwick and Taylor from the performance squad.
Whole performance squad sucks - no Rashid? near enough a thousand runs at 50 and he bowls leggies. No Borthwick, whose figures are slightly worse but still very impressive, yet they've found space for Kerrigan, who probably deserves a second chance, and for Briggs WHO DOES NOT TURN THE BLOOMIN BALL!!!
Experience in Ali and Chopra - but Taylor - who made a test squad two months back - not worth a spot?
And Foakes. Is he Cook's butler or something?
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Bit late on this, working yesterday, but some quick observations...
Panesar - has to go. He's served his time, missed the 5th test (I'm sure we all agree he would have performed significantly better than Kerrigan, Briggs, Borthwick, AN Other Novice). If he doesn't deserve to be picked, does he never play again for England? I wouldn't wish a marriage break up on anyone -it clearly affected him as he was tee total before. Selectors have had assurances from Essex that he's ok - he has to go.
Great selection going for Carberry - experienced, top fielder, great batsmen in arguably better form than Compton and clearly a decent bloke to have around. Compton dug his own grave by criticising Gooch (according to Cricinfo) and going public with his thoughts about being dropped. He hasn't been treated fairly, but nor was Carberry in 2010 and he didn't complain...
I agree with Michael Vaughan that Bairstow shouldn't start, he has too many technical weaknesses at the moment. I'd start Ballance, with Stokes coming in if they go with 5 bowlers. Bairstow as reserve wk and comes in at 7 if Prior can't play.
Thought Woakes has a rough deal at The Oval, but I like the potential for England in years to come - Woakes and Stokes is a tabloid headliners dream and they could be very versatile players for England in the coming years.
My team for the first test would be;
Cook
Root
Trott
KP
Bell
Ballance
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Rankin (performed well in ODIs, is man in possession - you've picked him, so play him...)
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Woakes and Stokes is a tabloid headliners dream
Potentially Woakes, Stokes and Foakes, in years to come?
Saw Gary Ballance's 148 at The Oval. I like him, he looks a 'tough' cricketer. But oughtn't a prospective Test batsman being going in higher than no.6 in county cricket?
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Saw Gary Ballance's 148 at The Oval. I like him, he looks a 'tough' cricketer. But oughtn't a prospective Test batsman being going in higher than no.6 in county cricket?
To be fair, he has batted five most of the year - Yorkshire have turned out a lopsided side for this game as it is a dead rubber.
And its worth noting that the rest of the line up are prospective test bats as well!
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Bit late on this, working yesterday, but some quick observations...
Panesar - has to go. He's served his time, missed the 5th test (I'm sure we all agree he would have performed significantly better than Kerrigan, Briggs, Borthwick, AN Other Novice). If he doesn't deserve to be picked, does he never play again for England? I wouldn't wish a marriage break up on anyone -it clearly affected him as he was tee total before. Selectors have had assurances from Essex that he's ok - he has to go.
Great selection going for Carberry - experienced, top fielder, great batsmen in arguably better form than Compton and clearly a decent bloke to have around. Compton dug his own grave by criticising Gooch (according to Cricinfo) and going public with his thoughts about being dropped. He hasn't been treated fairly, but nor was Carberry in 2010 and he didn't complain...
I agree with Michael Vaughan that Bairstow shouldn't start, he has too many technical weaknesses at the moment. I'd start Ballance, with Stokes coming in if they go with 5 bowlers. Bairstow as reserve wk and comes in at 7 if Prior can't play.
Thought Woakes has a rough deal at The Oval, but I like the potential for England in years to come - Woakes and Stokes is a tabloid headliners dream and they could be very versatile players for England in the coming years.
My team for the first test would be;
Cook
Root
Trott
KP
Bell
Ballance
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Rankin (performed well in ODIs, is man in possession - you've picked him, so play him...)
I would argue that 600 runs @ 40 (Carberry), is not showing as good a form as Compton - 889 runs @ 46, in division 1 as well, where there's no gorging on Leicestershire and Goucestershire. Carbs has done sweet fanny adams in CC cricket and is very lucky to be going!
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Hoi! Gloucester are going to finish fourth!
I suppose Compton has been unable to gorge on Zummerset's pie chuckers... :)
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Oh are they, shows the standard even better then doesn't it ;)
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Carbs has done sweet fanny adams in CC cricket.
Do you watch much county cricket?
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Do you watch much county cricket?
he means this season. And he's correct. 600ish runs @ 40 is nothing major, compared to others not selected (Lumb/Taylor spring to mind, being a Notts fan, but plenty others out there!)
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he means this season. And he's correct. 600ish runs @ 40 is nothing major, compared to others not selected (Lumb/Taylor spring to mind, being a Notts fan, but plenty others out there!)
Compton was born to average 46 in championship cricket and help you draw Test matches in NZ.
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Compton was born to average 46 in championship cricket and help you draw Test matches in NZ.
I'm not arguing that, I was saying that like Nick I feel that Carberry's 4-day form wasn't good enough to warrant selection!
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I'm not arguing that, I was saying that like Nick I feel that Carberry's 4-day form wasn't good enough to warrant selection!
I was, perhaps, suggesting that championship averages might not tell you everything about a player?
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I was, perhaps, suggesting that championship averages might not tell you everything about a player?
It's not just the averages though, his knocks haven't been brilliant compared to a couple of years back. I know that Compton is a bit of a Trott-style player, but surely someone like Varun Chopra (at 6-7 years younger than Carberry) would have been a better shout? Not only is he averaging 51 with the bat but scoring big innings, and he is snaffling many a catch at slip (where he is as safe as houses) as well. Where better to blood your youths than in a really competitive and heated series such as the Ashes?
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With regard to averages, players like Trecothick and Vaughan wouldn't have been picked - we all know Fletcher, and most likely Flower, look for that 'something extra' in a player.
Carberry is an experienced pro. So is Compton. But Carberry isn't going to sit in the hotel by the pool, or on the coach to games and training complaining to those that will listen about his experiences and how he hasn't been treated fairly. Compton burnt his bridges when he did that and even more so saying that Gooch doesn't understand his game. I take on board that he hasn't had equal opportunities that others have, but the onus is as much on him to fit in. The other rumours are that he didn't in the dressing room overall. Touring previously isn't just a positive in someone's favour, it can definitely work against you as well.
I think because its a tour they don't want to risk a pro who is harbouring grudges. There's not that much to choose between Carberry and Compton as players, but Carberry clearly has the better attitude.
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Carberry won't play a test match anyway
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I am surprised no one has questioned Tremlett's inclusion.
he doesn't play regularly for Surrey, has been impotent apart from one game and isn't the player he was.
I would have gone with the 16+1 other players.
Saker has picked the bowlers and the Durham pitches aren't all that similar to the ones in Aus.
carberry is a good choice, good bloke, works hard quality fielder. he will be a good 12 th man.
going to be a good series, I think Bairstow will surprise with his quality on the quicker pitches.
we are lucky to have so many good players to choose from.
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Cook, Root, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Prior, Broad, Swann, Finn, Anderson and Tremlett or Rankin will play most tests
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Carberry won't play a test match anyway
Can't see Carberry playing bar injury to Cook or Root. If there is an injury, I hope they give him a go, rather than shuffling Trott up one.
I am surprised no one has questioned Tremlett's inclusion.
he doesn't play regularly for Surrey, has been impotent apart from one game and isn't the player he was.
I would have gone with the 16+1 other players.
Saker has picked the bowlers and the Durham pitches aren't all that similar to the ones in Aus.
carberry is a good choice, good bloke, works hard quality fielder. he will be a good 12 th man.
going to be a good series, I think Bairstow will surprise with his quality on the quicker pitches.
we are lucky to have so many good players to choose from.
I thought Tremlett was done - Finn's a lot younger and, even though he does go for more than is ideal, he takes wickets. I certainly don't think you need Finn, Rankin and Tremlett, I see why they've let Onions play, so that he's match ready if needed, do agree it should've been 16.
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I see monty has been a naughty boy again in the game vs Worcestershire, one match ban for improper conduct against the opposition...
Maybe he was just warming up for the ashes chat :-[
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interesting to read the views on Compton not being picked. hav'nt previously heard any 'gooch does not understand me' stuff
there can't be much Gocchie does not know about batting-he has the runs behind him to prove it as well
as for the dressing room......it's ok for KP not to fit in but not Compton...hmmmmm..sounds like a clique to me.
on the plus side Carberry is a very very good player and i'm sure would of played more cricket for England around the time of his serious illness. I would have him in the team instead of Bairstow
or open with him and put root back to 5 or 6...
but I dont think we will do that.
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I've heard from very good sources for a while before England that Compton is to put it bluntly a sh*t bloke so not suprising to hear comments regarding character. Looking forward to seeing if Rankin gets a go he looked very dangerous at Derby yesterday pitch was doing allsorts including plenty of bounce but he was very hostile injuring Palladino and nearly a couple more so I think he could really rattle some players in Aus given the chance. Gary Ballance is a great talent and a much better player than Bairstow will play in Australia without doubt for me.
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don't know that Balance is better that JB so much as a different player. Bairstow will be better on the faster bouncier pitches in Australia (in common with most of the England side, you suspect) but Balance would also do an excellent job.
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Another impressive ton from Ballance today. Bairstow looks hopelessly out of form.
Tremlett was getting in plenty of drink-carrying practice.
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Cook, Root, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Prior, Broad, Swann, Finn, Anderson and Tremlett or Rankin will play most tests
We're going to play five bowlers?
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We're going to play five bowlers?
Oops missed one.. Ok Bairstow....
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Would love to see Cook, Carberry, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Root, Prior, Broad, Swann, Anderson & Rankin start the first test, can't see it happening somehow though.
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Dropping Root back down the order would send out the wrong signals - both to the player and to the opposition.
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Dropping Root back down the order would send out the wrong signals - both to the player and to the opposition.
How so ???. Australia played around with their order a lot over here, I didn't see it as any wrong signals. And Root only averaged 34 this series. Not a brilliant average in that position.
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Oops missed one.. Ok Bairstow....
Twelve?
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I feel sorry for Varun Chopra consistently scores over 1000 runs a season at the top of the order in Division 1 and is a fantastic slip fielder yet doesn't get a mention really. Also scores his runs at a fair lick which would be a nice compliment to Cook at Trott whereas Carberry doesn't and wasn't that one of the things people were moaning at Compton for?
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I feel sorry for Varun Chopra consistently scores over 1000 runs a season at the top of the order in Division 1 and is a fantastic slip fielder yet doesn't get a mention really. Also scores his runs at a fair lick which would be a nice compliment to Cook at Trott whereas Carberry doesn't and wasn't that one of the things people were moaning at Compton for?
You've not seen Carberry bat, have you??
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Two points - I'd like to see Moin Ali do well for the Lions and challenge the main squad.
Secondly, it may be my memory playing tricks on me, but I'm sure I remember Onions being in the squad on a previous tour on hard, fast tracks. I'm sure i remember him being ineffective in the warm up games and bowling himself out of the test side. I could have sworn it was Aus last time.
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Also scores his runs at a fair lick which would be a nice compliment to Cook at Trott whereas Carberry doesn't and wasn't that one of the things people were moaning at Compton for?
Are we talking about the same Carberry here ????
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Two points - I'd like to see Moin Ali do well for the Lions and challenge the main squad.
Secondly, it may be my memory playing tricks on me, but I'm sure I remember Onions being in the squad on a previous tour on hard, fast tracks. I'm sure i remember him being ineffective in the warm up games and bowling himself out of the test side. I could have sworn it was Aus last time.
Moeen Ali is a beautiful player - I agree FC.
You're right about Onions too, it was in the warmup game prior to the away NZ Tests. Bowled like a drain apparently http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-england-2013/engine/current/match/569236.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-england-2013/engine/current/match/569236.html)
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I feel sorry for Varun Chopra consistently scores over 1000 runs a season at the top of the order in Division 1 and is a fantastic slip fielder yet doesn't get a mention really. Also scores his runs at a fair lick which would be a nice compliment to Cook at Trott whereas Carberry doesn't and wasn't that one of the things people were moaning at Compton for?
I am not certain that I would have picked him but I do agree that he has every reason to ask what it is precisely that he needs to do to be considered because his stats - and the stuff behind that stats as well, for what I know of and have seen of it - are good enough that he has made what could be called "a case for selection". Is this another Taylor situation, where the powers that be have decided there is something about him that they just do not like?
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I'd like to see a little mix up for once, perhaps the following:
Cook (c), Carberry, Compton, Bell, Taylor, Root, Prior (wk), Swann, Tremlett, Anderson, Rankin
Kind of bored of seeing the same old England side come out, I think it would be good to introduce a bit more variety rather than going for the same 11 every time. I think it would make for a very interesting test, and would help to bring a bit more excitement to the series.
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No Pieterson/Broad/Trott?
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Nope, although I would take them as reserve players. I think that the England side has relied on the same players for too long, and we need to shake things up a little. I don't think Broad is as effective as he is made out to be, I personally think he is too hit and miss. KP and Trott need to understand that there are other players who are worthy of playing for England, and the selectors need to realise that we have more diverse players than just the usual suspects. If the usual lineup don't perform, nothing happens and they still get picked whereas anyone who has not had the chance to settle into the side is out if they don't go from the off, I don't think it's that fair really.
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Interesting stuff. Not before an ashes series though surely. Let's pick the guys that have played a part in winning 3 back to back ashes series. Picking Compton ahead of Trott is funny, Taylor ahead of KP...Wow and Broad has so far looked the best bowler on tour.
If you are bored of watching England win then watch Football.
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Haha you think more excitement means picking Compton and Taylor?
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I think it would create more of a buzz around the sport, as people would be curious to see how a different lineup would perform. And these are all professional cricketers. We are never going to get another team of ashes winners if we stick with the same players until they are too old to play, then we won't have integrated different players into the team to help bring in a different generation. There has to be a point where you say you sacrifice some of the experienced guys to bring some fresh faces to the table.
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Come on chaps - the top six are picked already!
Cook, Carberry, Trott, KP, Bell, Root! I'll eat my hat bat if there is a different top 6.
Keeper will be Prior if fit, and JB if Prior is not quite fit.
The bowlers will consist of broad, Swann and Jimmy! The only unknown open for discussion is who will get the last bowlers slot!
Finn was expensive but took wickets! Rankin was decent too but didn't take as many wickets as Finn. Trem hasn't looked great this season so I suspect they may start with Finn in the first test?
But that's the only point of discussion I reckon?