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Cricket Manufacturers / Brands => Ayrtek Cricket => Topic started by: Ayrtek Cricket on September 14, 2009, 05:42:07 PM
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Step at the side is less than indicated in the pictures as it has been over emphasised, look forward to hearing views be it positive/negative. Happy to hear them as you are the target market and end customers.
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in my opinion it is alrie just looks like an indian helmet like a BDM titanium and not very english but thats just my view im sure others will like it
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Yeah hard to tell i guess with 2D drawings, will have the 3D prototype model shortly so will take a few pictures of it to show the angles etc which set it apart from the other traditional helmets out there
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I like the look of it, sort of a hybrid between a masuri visor with an albion lid shape (that's just what it reminds me of I could be completely wrong!) but definetly a nice change from the same old helmet styles that are out there!
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it looks like a kayaking helmet or basball helmet (without ear guards)
first impressions for me are good !
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Quite different and if they are as good as the Masuri (quality, weight, protection etc.) they will be a massive hit if marketed well.
I personally like the looks
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Yeah the plan is to go down the same protection route as our modern shaped version which proved to be 300% safer than the other brands.
If produced in carbon fibre it will be extremely lightweight but will carry a £99 price tag again but will tick all the above specs.
Do you think that more people would be willing to pay £50-£60 for a helmet which is safer than the other brands or are people more concerned with the looks than price?
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The air vents don't look very good mate.
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Yeah working progress they need to have a balance between function and protection as not sure what material the shell is going to be made of as yet
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I like coth covered helmets.
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The reason they cover them in cloth is to hide the dents/imperfections in the shell underneath, the cloth is basically as mask to cover these up. If moulded properly the finish should be smooth and wouldnt need covering.
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Yea I know about that I think it just looks great.
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i have to agree with walshy!!..!!
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Cheers mate.
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Great stuff, feedback like this is helpful in what we may look to offer as an end product. May have to explore a cloth covered version, just alot harder to have custom graphics put onto cloth as embroidery is obviously harder to simply stick on that a decal graphic of a club crest/sponsor.
Keep the feedback coming though very helpful!!!
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Also I was thinking about a new design for a chin cup?
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In terms of what? some helmets dont offer them but personally i think they aid in keeping it fitting correctly
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Like two straps joing into one strap around the ear or something like that.
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So a 4 point fixing upon the helmet to give it more stability by anchoring points in front of and behind the ears, which then has one strap running under the chin?
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Walshy this is a cricket helmet and not a horse riding helmet for you to use while netting with your horses in your horse arena :)
IMO a 4 point strap will be really uncomfortable. If the purpose if to provide stability, then a simple Velcro adjustment strap as the back of the helmet will be more useful as it will not only provide stability buy also a snug fit.
Please bear in mind that putting-on and taking-off the helmet will cause inconvenience if it is a 4 point trap as described above. Most players adjust their helmet straps only once and thereafter wear it or take it off without adjusting or opening the straps (they do not have that much time in a games to take off and wipe the sweat off their forehead)
Chin cup is a good idea though as it will prevent the strap from rubbing against the chin and cause irritation / discomfort.
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Walshy this is a cricket helmet and not a horse riding helmet for you to use while netting with your horses in your horse arena :)
IMO a 4 point strap will be really uncomfortable. If the purpose if to provide stability, then a simple Velcro adjustment strap as the back of the helmet will be more useful as it will not only provide stability buy also a snug fit.
Please bear in mind that putting-on and taking-off the helmet will cause inconvenience if it is a 4 point trap as described above. Most players adjust their helmet straps only once and thereafter wear it or take it off without adjusting or opening the straps (they do not have that much time in a games to take off and wipe the sweat off their forehead)
Chin cup is a good idea though as it will prevent the strap from rubbing against the chin and cause irritation / discomfort.
yeh u shud have a chin strap so people have the choice to have it with or without as most players take it off and others keep it on
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Yeah chin cups are a standard feature of our strap as well as the 4 point chin strap. If you have the ACIS in the helmet it is adjusted without removing the helmet to ensure a perfect fit anyway so this wont be an issue.
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Yeah chin cups are a standard feature of our strap as well as the 4 point chin strap. If you have the ACIS in the helmet it is adjusted without removing the helmet to ensure a perfect fit anyway so this wont be an issue.
is the 4 point chin strap as standard on all helmet makes??? I do not remember seeing a 4 point chin strap on my Masuri or the Albion before
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No its something that we introduced to stop the helmet having a pivot if struck as the 2 points attachement leads to this, Albion did then use a 4 point then use it on their NXT model but as far as im aware we are the only brand who have it as standard on all models of helmet
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oh okay.
I personally feel the 4 point strap will make wearing and taking off a bit cumbersome and will take a lot of "getting used to" the strap behind the ear,
anyway you are the best judge as you seen / felt the helmet physically
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Chin strap works fine as there is a side release buckle on the strap which is easy enough to undo even with your gloves on as its situated on the LHS of the helmet for right handed batsman so it can be used with the soft thumb of the batting gloves.
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Forgot to post this one along with the last lot....
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/tom_ayrtek/HelmetGrill.jpg)
photoshopped image may give a better idea of the overall effect of the shape ???
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looks decenth the air vents however do look abit poor
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ooohh now i have seen this image i like them when i first saw the original sketches i hated it, looks lush
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Yeah the air vents as mentioned are a working progress at least on this model it catrers for 4 of them rather than just 2/3 like in some models. Alot of the pros have said ventilation is a major feature they want improving as when playing in warm climates it is obviously required.
Aidy...yeah gives a better view of it in that one hoping to pick up the SLS next week now to see the full 3D prototype.
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i mean apart from the vents, the helemet looks class
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In my opinion the helmet looks great
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Thanks for the feedback people, its a relief to hear most of it is positive with the exception of the air vents.
Would people be willing to pay £50-£60 for one of these in either fibreglass or high impact plastic if they were lightweight and safer than the other brands of helmets?
Or for those who have deeper pockets £100 for a carbon fibre version which will be featherweight in this shape, but may only be prodcued for Professional/county players and special orders?
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I feel that in comparison to other helmets on the market those prices are more than fair, and at the end of the day if your going to get grilled i would rather pay £20-£30 more and not have to take a trip to A&E
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i just fell in love with this ! when can i buy one ?
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project is a working progress but with positive feedback being gained from the concept it could well progress to production very shortly. Watch this space as they say!!!
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New vent design...would be great to hear what you think as it up's vents from 4 to 12 on the 4 corner sections and add's a further 6 on the side.
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/tom_ayrtek/Tradhelmet2vents.jpg)
Cheers
Tom
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OK, i gotta hand it to the Ayrtek people. That helmet is a beauty. And the inspiration in design is great as well. Sharks fins, who'd have thought of it. I think that lid with the compact looking, Masuri style, grille will be excellent.
The design may well be the final but if I may add to your design development - how about using cloth or using a slightly rough texture to make it look like cloth? Grille pads would look extremely nice - silver or black would look sooo nice.
Will you incorporate ACIS on this design? and How much will it retail at?
Well done!
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looks prettty nice, prefer it to the eyes than before!
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Looks good.
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Super effort that!
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Thanks for the feedback chaps, minor things such as grille ear pads etc can all be added at a later date as they are easy enough to design and have made up.
I take it the majority of people prefer these to the earlier concept on page 1? The plan is to have the helmet launched with the ACIS technology and a PCS model which will be a cheaper alternative as well to cater for more of the market.
We will finalise the exact finish as well in terms of cloth/textured/rubber effect and what material we produce it in will ultimately effect the retail price as well so cant say as yet.
Get your names down for first ones off the production line lol
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Helmet looks good but why the huge price hike for Carbon ?
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Due to the cost of making a high end shell out of carbon fibre and kevlar. In any other sports such as Skiiing (£200+), Equestrian (upto £900), and Mountain Biking (£180.00) these are starter prices for any carbon fibre helmet product due to the nature of the composite and the benfefits of using it.
Due to the ceiling limit within cricket for the helmets this is the price required to make any margins.
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I use the same composite but only costs me an extra US$5.00 , how can you justify these prices ? Dupont Carbon/Kevlar are the real deal.
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We currently have the shell UK manufactuered which costs more in terms of labour than having it made in somewhere like Asia. We can be assured of the quality over here and if need be drive to resolve a problem quickly without the need for days of travel.
Dupont seems to be the name that keeps popping up lately after a confrence we sponsored last week relating to Chinese industry.
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Shell injection costs are the same regardless of resin compound. No extra labour is involved.
Dupont own Kevlar so maybe that is the reason they are promoting Kevlar and not PP , PPCP ,ABS etc etc
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Sounds like a different method to me if the material is injected as this would bring the cost down due to cycle time for the units being less than 90 seconds in plastic.
Injection moulding of ABS/PP is much cheaper to produce than Composite shells and doesnt posess as good properties upon impact
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I think we both know how these shells are produced , my question still stands with regard to the huge price increase.
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I answered your question above "We currently have the shell UK manufactuered which costs more in terms of labour than having it made in somewhere like Asia".
Id be interested to see your kevlar helmet? what does it weigh?
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Not sure why you knock Asia but to answer your question , a selected lid comes in at 650 grams using Ti (but again you know that).
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Lekka, im not knocking Asia as a place to manufacture its simply easier for us as a UK based company to make them here for the time being.
How am i meant to know what the helmet that you make weighs? Can you show us some pictures as i have genuinely never seen the version you produce before only the Lekka RDX helmet which is plastic with a polystyrene liner.
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I have worked on the traditional design of cricket helmet whilst using Ti grills. All in 650 grams.
Which Lekka helmet do you have to your hands ? Maybe you can furnish pics so we both know which lid is in question ?
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http://www.jandgcricket.com/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=55 (http://www.jandgcricket.com/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=55)
This is the only helmet of yours i have seen
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So you do not have in your hand ? (btw, Slaz now own this mold , luvly jubly)
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No i have a copy of this that came from India which is a simple PP shell with a polystyrene liner in it. Hence why is asked, however this is not a carbon fibre/kevlar helmet that you keep mentioning you have made.
What i want to know is about that as you keep mentioning the process of making it which is completely different to the plastic one in the above link when comparring injection moulding to RTM method!!
Slazenger may own the mould but other companies will have the same version sold to them which doesnt make it unique to a specific company.
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Gents,
Is it worth taking this off-line?
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Sorry John....back to the topic what do people think of the revised vents?
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back on off topic , why charge so much extra when adding Carbon only adds $US5.00 per unit ? This is fact.
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Lekka give me an email/PM as John said try to keep on topic your "facts" seems confused
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Lekka give me an email/PM as John said try to keep on topic your "facts" seems confused
No confusion here. Simple question still stands. PM me with your office number.
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New vent design...would be great to hear what you think as it up's vents from 4 to 12 on the 4 corner sections and add's a further 6 on the side.
([url]http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/tom_ayrtek/Tradhelmet2vents.jpg[/url])
Cheers
Tom
Mate i am really impressed, the new vents really set it aside from the rest and it looks class.......good job people! As I have said I have big shoulders and the only helmet i have found comfortable and unrestrictive is the Masuri Lid, but i am in the market for a new lid for next season....where will i be able to view one of these? I live in east Somerset......
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Thanks mate, glad you like it.
Half of our set up is based in Bristol/Bath area so im sure you would be able to try one on for size etc in the not to distant future.
Cheers
Tom
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Good news I am in Frome.....lol
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Dont supose your looking for a sales rep...............
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Ah right not far away then, not looking for a rep at the moment im afriad. Played a bit out that way against hinton charterhouse etc and pass through radstock a bit too
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personally im not a fan of the new vents, i think the way the light catches them doesnt look great.
like the shape of the helmet though
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I play for Warminster mate, our 3rds play Hinton I think, got nets tonight so i will find out for sure. Good cricketing country down here mate......
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Yeah alot of good sides in that area....net already blimey! Nice pitch at Hinton but we only play them in friendlies
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Thanks mate, glad you like it.
Half of our set up is based in Bristol/Bath area so im sure you would be able to try one on for size etc in the not to distant future.
Thanks mate, glad you like it.
Half of our set up is based in Bristol/Bath area so im sure you would be able to try one on for size etc in the not to distant future.
Cheers
Tom
Cheers
Where is the other half based tom ?
Tom
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Thanks Cakes, hoping they look a bit smoother when modelled in CAD and appear betterdifficult on a 2D drawing to illustrate properly.
Lekka other half is based in London
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you used my vent idea, along the grill line on the side! please don't say you had already thought of this before i posted!
Awesome helmet, will it come in green?
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Liam..glad you like it...it will come in any colour that you would like i think if produced in Carbon Fibre. Stock colours will probably be the same as now with blue, green, maroon and white.
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I love the shark style vents, is this going to be avaliable for the 2010 season?
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Middler...hopefully it will be depends how quickly we can get it made as through BSI testing so that its safe to go to market with
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Which testing house are you using Tom ?
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Ayrtek, Can you buy custom stickers from the website? Also, can you remove the sticker off the plastic helmet once stuck on? Cheers.
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Custom stickers such as Club crest, name/number or jyst about anything can be added to the helmets.Just add it ot the order in the comments section of the order form or meail us about them.
They are difficult to remove withut damaging them as they are obviously designed to stay on the helmet.
Cheers
Tom
Lekka we have used the BSI to test the helmets through rather than a registered test facility.
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Lekka we have used the BSI to test the helmets through rather than a registered test facility. You have lost me here Tom.
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Sorry to confuse you.
The helmets have to adhere to a BS standard (BS 7928:1998) which is enforced/Published by the BSI, in order to pass this standard we have had the helmets tested with the BSI in Hemel Hempstead where their headwear testing lab is. Other test facilities such as SATRA can be used but we thought we would go straight to the BSI as they obviously have formed the standard so are best positioned to enforce it.
Hope this clears things up
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Sorry to confuse you.
The helmets have to adhere to a BS standard (BS 7928:1998) which is enforced/Published by the BSI, in order to pass this standard we have had the helmets tested with the BSI in Hemel Hempstead where their headwear testing lab is. Other test facilities such as SATRA can be used but we thought we would go straight to the BSI as they obviously have formed the standard so are best positioned to enforce it.
Hope this clears things up
back in 1998 yes (richard must love it). It is only a standard and nothing to really do with BSI other than they can test to that EU Standard. Satra , BSI , SAI , SGS etc etc can carry out the same tests as you know but to still correct you , the standard must be EN CE approved and not the cosy little outfit you chaps call as home.
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Ah good old england we did invent the game so its only fair we can set the safety standard for the equipment being used in it! Dont want to upset the peole at Lords.
Yes the helmets obviously have to contain a CE sticker to show that they conform to the necessary standards.
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Ah good old england we did invent the game so its only fair we can set the safety standard for the equipment being used in it! Dont want to upset the peole at Lords
now you can answer the question.
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Lekka once again if you have any issues with the helmet please PM me rather than clogging up the topic.
If you are trying to prove that we don't comply to the relevant standards do you really think the worlds number one test batsman would be wearing the helmet if he wasn't satisfied that it was safe to wear and out performed any other helmet?
As mentioned above please give me a call or Pm me to discuss
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Leak once again if you have any issues with the helmet please PM me rather than clogging up the topic.
If you are trying to prove that we don't comply to the relevant standards do you really think the worlds number one test batsman would be wearing the helmet if he wasn't satisfied that it was safe to wear and out performed any other helmet?
You can email me your direct line number and I will call you now. The I can update my posts.
As mentioned above please give me a call or Pm me to discuss
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Do you have an OFFICE number as you are not answering your mobile number ?
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Sorry was on the other line, as i said yesterday dont have a landline at home as got no need for one but off my mobile now
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Is there someone else I can speak to on a landline number that reps Ayrtek ?
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Not that will be able to answer the questions that you are asking, as the designer of the helmet im best placed to answer any questions that you have. Put them on an email and ill be happy to get back to you.
In the mean time can you please refrain from clogging up the topic that was intended to gain feedback about the concept drawings that were posted?
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I'm guessing they won't be on sale for Christmas?
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Not that quickly I'm afraid mate as have to get it rubber stamped before being able to sell them to the public as detailed above. The other style is available though and in stock
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ok, well i am sure you will post on the forum when they are ready, i look forward to it
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Just to update everyone on progress.....With any luck i should have my hands on the 1st (and 2nd) traditional shaped shell off of the tooling by next monday 7th december!
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New traditional helmet turned up this morning and looks very nice! 1st prototypes so a bit of work to do of them yet, 1st impressions are good though but then I'm slightly biased! lol
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can you show us one yet?
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i like it, starting to look a bit more... normal
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Yeah that was the plan to bring it back a touch from the modern design so that people wouldnt be so image consoius when wearing it.
Will take some photos shortly....could be a worldwide forum exclusive peek lol
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:O nice one thomas! Exclusive = Good :)
Think it will sell well if it looks like the drawings..
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Yeah that was the plan to bring it back a touch from the modern design so that people wouldnt be so image consoius when wearing it.
Will take some photos shortly....could be a worldwide forum exclusive peek lol
yeah, although i respected the time, effort and innovation that had gone in to making the helmet lighter i probably wouldnt have worn one at risk of looking like a storm trooper :)
but with that tecnology behind conventional a helmet i think youve got a formula to go on and challenge the 'big 2' (albion and masuri)
best of luck
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So this is one shape of helmet, and the helmet that your main man from Sri Lanka uses is the other shape?
Two different designs are great, but was curious if these were the only 2 styles you will be doing? Or are there any further ones in the design pipeline?
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No further designs in the pipeline in afraid as investment in tooling for producing each different design is a factor to consider.
We gained feedback that people were more comfortable wearing a more traditional looking helmet so went back to the drawing board to see what we could come up with. Therefore we are looking to cater for both types of players who want a modern cutting edge design as well as the traditionalist who would like to appear as such.
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To be fair, I think that the two main designs you have are both well thought out, well researched, and should cater for most tastes!
Will look forward to seeing them once they are in production! 8)
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tom are you going to cover the helemet in cloth or not?
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if I had £75 going spare I'd deff get the Trad shell
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Apple....will explore this option when we have a few samples as we only have 2 at the moment to play around with and try out different finishes. Looking at a rubberised finish as used on mountain bikes and ice hockey sticks at the moment.
My personal view is that the cloth will only add weight to the helmet and be time consuming to add to the helmet when gluing into place etc and well as having to get the covers made on top of this.