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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Krs on October 24, 2013, 03:52:51 PM
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Just wanted to know the opinions on this forum.
Do you think it comes to life after knocking in or after a few innings?
Do narrow grain bats take longer to open up or do bats with 5-7 grain bats?
This is all in regards to the infamous PING.
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Some go from ball 1 without any or much knocking in by the user. These tend not to last as long as they are likely to be less durable
Others take hours of knocking in and nets before being ready for match use. These can take a while to "open up" but can ping like mad and last a long time.
Every bat is an individual piece of willow, an organic product, and therefore very different.
I have had bats that ping from ball 1, but have lasted just long enough that I couldn't replace them on warranty and I've had bats that have taken half a season or more's use to start performing at it's best.
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Most people say that the more grains the bat has, the quicker it "opens up". However they don't last as long as the wider grain bats.
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Most people say that the more grains the bat has, the quicker it "opens up". However they don't last as long as the wider grain bats.
yes that's ture
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Most people say that the more grains the bat has, the quicker it "opens up". However they don't last as long as the wider grain bats.
Well I have a cheap bat from Pakistan with a high middle and 6 grains. 80% of the bat is a plank however the high sweetspot sound nice and has great feedback. Before knocking in it was poop now after the knocking in has opened up nice.
However I have a gorgeous looking DS (14 grains) and it has a low middle, however the feedback is not as powerful - (it has been knocked in)- so I am thinking it might take a few more innings to open it up.
This is where this topic is coming from.
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Bats with more than 9-10 grains start to perform early but still need good more than 4 hours and 3-4 net sessions along with 2-3 games to open up, downside is they may not be as durable as some others.
Bats with less than 8 grains usually take time to open up, maybe 5-6 hours knocking in, 5-6 nets and sometimes upto a full season to start performing their best. These are the ones which should not break easily and should have a longer life span. Offcourse these are just average time frames and each bat may differ from other.
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Truth is, there is no true formula, but there are trends.
You can still get 4 twisty grain bats that "ping" from ball 1. Wood is an organic product so there is no way you can just look at a bat a truly state it will perform better than another until you actually hit a ball with it.
ajmw89 hit the nail on the head.
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I think it's all down to the drying, pressing and the cleft, it varies quite a lot between manufacturers, but no two bats are identical! I think grains are a good sign of how quickly a bat will come to life, but there are always exceptions. I've always thought that GM bats take ages to kick into life, but I'm using an Icon at the moment, and it actually seemed pretty responsive to start with, and is slowly getting better with use. I would be happy to use it in a match! In terms of bats right at their peak, I'll be honest and say that I don't believe I have used a bat long enough to answer that question! I think that the answer also has something to do with your batting style too - I have a friend who seems to always get lucky with his bats and says they are all absolute monsters from the start, but in reality, it's just because he times the ball so well. :-[
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In terms of reading on this forum and my own Laver, I think they take the longest to open but when they do they go. Most go pretty well even when new though
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Are we using this "opening up" term incorrectly again, chaps?
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Interesting stuff.
Maybe I was expecting a bit to much or maybe just got to give it some time.
The profile of the DS is not huge 35 mm edge with no concaving and minimal spine. Maybe there isn't enough wood present to have the bounce back I got from the other bat. The DS is on the left and the right is the Pakistani bat.
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Interesting stuff.
Maybe I was expecting a bit to much or maybe just got to give it some time.
The profile of the DS is not huge 35 mm edge with no concaving and minimal spine. Maybe there isn't enough wood present to have the bounce back I got from the other bat. The DS is on the left and the right is the Pakistani bat.
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In that case, the Newbery Tour is a very poor design and will have a poor middle. :P In terms of spine height to middle responsiveness, I would argue that the Tour is best, as a cricket ball makes contact with the bat over a circular area, rather than a pin point, so it's the mass of wood behind that area which counts! I would say give it a little time, I've sold on so many bats I didn't give time to play in properly, that I end up regretting the sales of. :( How is your Aldred? I think I had a slight weight problem with my Aldred, but it was only by 0.5-1 ounce, which is fine. Maybe the working conditions at Paul's are slightly drier than our locations, so it picks up weight on the way. I know my Laver and GN Ashes have both put on about 1.5 and 1 ounce respectively! (GN did so over a period of 2 weeks!)
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In that case, the Newbery Tour is a very poor design and will have a poor middle. :P In terms of spine height to middle responsiveness, I would argue that the Tour is best, as a cricket ball makes contact with the bat over a circular area, rather than a pin point, so it's the mass of wood behind that area which counts! I would say give it a little time, I've sold on so many bats I didn't give time to play in properly, that I end up regretting the sales of. :( How is your Aldred? I think I had a slight weight problem with my Aldred, but it was only by 0.5-1 ounce, which is fine. Maybe the working conditions at Paul's are slightly drier than our locations, so it picks up weight on the way. I know my Laver and GN Ashes have both put on about 1.5 and 1 ounce respectively! (GN did so over a period of 2 weeks!)
Thanks mate!! It is such a lovely looking bat, I guess I will have to give it some time for its personality to shine through!
The Aldred, well it was supposed to be 2.11 but ended up being 2.13. I took it to the nets yesterday and my timing was a little off. However I noticed my technique seemed to improve, the bat was coming down right, the follow though on cover drives seemed very photogenic. I always found that due to playing baseball for so long my cricket batting swings kinda morphed into a baseball technique. Paul told me a heavier bat will sort this out but he will try his best to keep a light pick up. And by golly he delivered. It picks up like a 2.10/2.11. I just need to get used to the weight which should be a problem. The shot that I did connect were Amazeballs! Just flew off the bat and the sound was lush!
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My old GM Cannon Original, 7 grain and seemed like a soft pressing, took 12 hours knocking in before I was really happy with it.
My war sop was a harder pressing and was good in less than 5 hours.
Moisture could well affect the weight at Aldred and your home, I noticed two of my bats gained nearly an ounce in a couple of days when the weather started getting damp. Sad but yes I really did weigh them :-[
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a decent bat will go from day one and get better
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The bat that has taken the longest to get going in my collection is the Warsop by far, had about 3 hours on the mallet 10 plus net sessions at about 30 mins a time a 2 games and I would say its still got a way to go.
Personally I know a bats opened up when you play a shot and you don't feel it come out the bat but when you look up the fielder is chasing it to throw it back the bowler. I don't mean some huge heave I mean a proper shot and the balls just gone.
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Ahhhh! - but which bat came to life the quickest Chris?
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Ahhhh! - but which bat came to life the quickest Chris?
The AJK I have flew from ball one with very little knocking in and prep work , I also scored a ton with the Newbery thruxton I got in there £100 offer and didn't knock that in at all, the thruxton was probably the best bat straight from the off closely followed by my GN X181 and GN Maverick players bats they both went very very well and they had about 30 mins each on the edges. Personally I don't knock my bats in a lot a prefer to net with them to get them going and I do check no one has a bat breaker ball at nets before they bowl.
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Depends on a given bat and even how the manufacturer presses them. Most Pakistani bats, for example, in my experience need not a lot of knocking in and a couple of hours are enough, sometimes less. However,they need to be played in to be safe. As mentioned numerously, the amount of grains should have some impact as well.
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I've heard this talked about a lot on this forum and until very recently had never experienced it. I have used a lot of bats but I don't think I had ever scored more than 200 runs with any given bat before moving on to the next. So the bats the went really well from the start would get more of a run than the bats that didn't go so well.
My Thruxton SPS used to jar badly on mishits and had a very hollow feeling on the upper third of the blade. The ball still hammered when you found the middle but it wasn't ever that soft feeling you get when you find the sweetspot of other bats. I have only used it sporadically over the last year. Not many net sessions and had only used it in 4 innings where it had clocked up 200 runs.
I used it last game and notched up 98 with it and the difference in the way it feels now compared to just a few weeks ago is amazing. The sweetspot has gotten bigger. It now feels sweet when you find it. There is no more jarring. That hollow sensation has gone and the power this thing generates is just unbelievable.
So the answer to the question is 300 runs. :D
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I've heard this talked about a lot on this forum and until very recently had never experienced it. I have used a lot of bats but I don't think I had ever scored more than 200 runs with any given bat before moving on to the next. So the bats the went really well from the start would get more of a run than the bats that didn't go so well.
My Thruxton SPS used to jar badly on mishits and had a very hollow feeling on the upper third of the blade. The ball still hammered when you found the middle but it wasn't ever that soft feeling you get when you find the sweetspot of other bats. I have only used it sporadically over the last year. Not many net sessions and had only used it in 4 innings where it had clocked up 200 runs.
I used it last game and notched up 98 with it and the difference in the way it feels now compared to just a few weeks ago is amazing. The sweetspot has gotten bigger. It now feels sweet when you find it. There is no more jarring. That hollow sensation has gone and the power this thing generates is just unbelievable.
So the answer to the question is 300 runs. :D
Or simply, when your form and timing improved, all of a sudden your bat got better ;)
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nope. My Recoil Players still feels average. Mongoose mmi still smashes it. I can be objective about a bat's performance. And just for the record I am ALWAYS in form.
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For me the most important thing after pressing is the middle position, you can have a very well pressed blade but if the middle isn't in the right place for your playing style then you won't get on with the bat.
The crictec sheets are ideal for this. I always thought I suited a low profile bat until I used a few crictec sheets. A massive eye opener.
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For me the most important thing after pressing is the middle position, you can have a very well pressed blade but if the middle isn't in the right place for your playing style then you won't get on with the bat.
The crictec sheets are ideal for this. I always thought I suited a low profile bat until I used a few crictec sheets. A massive eye opener.
100% agree with you. I used to have a high middled bat that pinged, but I didn't really score too many runs with it. It broke and I got a new bat which had a lower middle and all of a sudden it seemed I couldn't stop scoring runs with it even though it didn't have as good a ping.