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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: ProCricketer1982 on November 05, 2013, 11:07:22 PM
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So, Root down the order at 5 and Carberry opening! Is this to solve the. Umber 6 'problem' or just to give people a run?
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Just flicked over sky sports and was pleasantly surprised to find this being shown live.
Hopefully carberry goes big. Using a new Kahuna too, I had him nailed on for an Impulse.
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As this match is live on tv, may as well get myself into 'up all night ashes mode' nice and early.
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Hopefully Ben Cutting does allright, hes been working hard.
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Safe to say that Australia A have struggled on the first day. 0/277 - Carberry has cashed in! Didn't see him bbeings the Kahuna man but I guess they already have Bell with the new range. Cooky has carried on from where left off a few years ago but his back does seem to be playing up a little?
Bell rested and Ballance given a chance, whether he is given a significant time in the middle is a different matter.
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Day ends 318/0, with Carberry on 153* and Cook on 154*. Has Carberry cemented the opening spot for the ashes?
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We were really boring today!! :)
Carbs to open yes i think so and root back in the middle order
England need to be big enough to say thats our best line up
Root is class he will move up eventually
Theres no more deserving a cricketer than carbs and he's grabbed it today
Go on my son!!
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Hmmm. Australia A bowling where Cook likes it. Don't think you'll see that from the test side. I suspect that carbs won't do as well against that attack either...
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Aus A attack is literally nothing compared to the full test side.
Copeland/Cutting/Henriques ... Starc/Harris/Siddle/Johnson
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No doubt that there will be tougher tests for the England batsmen when the ashes tests start!
But hopefully that will resolve the 'where to bat root' question now?
The only other question is who to have bowling with Jimmy/Broad/Swann question!
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tremlett should be ahead of the rest,Finn has gone off the boil a bit and big Chris did fantastically well out there last time.
rankin has no experience so might be a risk playing him
I think Trem is a far better bowler myself
root can bowl a bit of off spin if needed too it's hard work for just 4 bowlers....
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Aus A attack is literally nothing compared to the full test side.
Copeland/Cutting/Henriques ... Starc/Harris/Siddle/Johnson
Doubt we will see four specialist seamers from Aus considering Watson will bowl 10-15 overs a day if fit. I would be surprised if Johnson plays. ODI is one thing when batsman are looking to play shots but test match cricket is another. Johnson has come up way short in recent test outings.
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I think Johnson will play and I don't think Watson will bowl
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Doubt we will see four specialist seamers from Aus considering Watson will bowl 10-15 overs a day if fit. I would be surprised if Johnson plays. ODI is one thing when batsman are looking to play shots but test match cricket is another. Johnson has come up way short in recent test outings.
It was more of naming possible seamers rather than a bowling quartet mate. Johnson will probably line up first game, that's what I'm hearing over here anyway!
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I hear Watson has a slight muscle strain, so may not be 100% fit for the first test.
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And Starc is certainly out.
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Just read Johnson has injured his foot so is in doubt as well
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The wheels seem to be coming off for the Australians at the moment.
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Or this is a big mental games tatics.
Difficult for England Batsman to research bowlers/field settings for those bowlers/how to play those bowlers/their strengths &weaknesses if you've got a pool of 8 bowlers rather than 4 to focus on.
I think bowling from Australia A may be a similar tatic. The Aussies worked out that cook doesn't play as well off the front foot, why give him chance to adapt to doing so on the Aussie pithces before the series?
Give him some false confidence then have him scratching round at the crease when it matters?
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"Carberry played neatly enough, seeing off several periods of slow scoring without growing too frustrated. He snicked numerous deliveries going across him towards the slips when attempting come forward and drive, but was otherwise able to sit on the back foot in defence and attack, suggesting that Australia A's bowlers too often dropped short of the ideal zone."
To be fair, a common LH's flaw, but something better bowlers will prey on?
Some Twitter rumours that Bollinger is in the pot to play at the Gabba!
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there bowling is decent Bollinger just has to be a silly rumour I would think
it's runs they need against our attack :)
might be a bit closer than the summer but fancy england to be tough to beat,might not be attractive cricket :)
but we do have a good side.Harris is'nt fit yet and unlikley to last 5 matches-he's there best bowler by miles
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Or this is a big mental games tatics.
Difficult for England Batsman to research bowlers/field settings for those bowlers/how to play those bowlers/their strengths &weaknesses if you've got a pool of 8 bowlers rather than 4 to focus on.
I think that they will have researched all the top bowlers, not just the big four. So this is just keeping the options only. If they haven't a plan now for all the players then they possibly never will. There will still be a good couple of days between the team being announced and the start of the match.
Regarding the opening position, I don't think Carberry has nailed down the position yet, although, he is definitely in the box seat now. Moving Root down to that dodgy 6 berth.
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Is Dougie still playing cricket? Hope he doesn "hit the wall" again :D
Australia A - please play Englands batsman into form. Started to make Cook look like Gower towards the end of the day! You have a guy with a bad back, struggling between the wickets and without a bat in months. What do you do, pick 2 proper seamers and some friendly spin on a featherbed.
Wouldn't the correct response be to prepare a green top and get 4 seamers on the edge of the test squad to stick it up Cook?
Obviously not.
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DB's played 7 List A games this year for NSW and both FC games so far.
He took 6/62 against Tasmania last week, so is in some semblance of form.
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Had lined up another dirty pizza and some potato smileys for tonight's session, the weather has scuppered that dream!
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https://twitter.com/ECB_cricket Ouch...
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Poor Gary Ballance just seems to suck..no chance of him getting a chance in the first test!
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Poor Gary Ballance just seems to suck..no chance of him getting a chance in the first test!
Give him time. He's a quality, quality batsmen. Can't argue with a first class average of 53 and 18 hundreds in 103(?) innings.
Can't see him not making it internationally either. Just needs some experience.
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i think thats why hes been taken on the tour to give him some experience in the squad and international surrounding as he has time on his side to develop as a player.
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Joe root stumping, and took a catch. Looked okay in the highlights I saw.
Which poses a question, if root is good enough to be a reserve keeper, does this end bairstows international career?
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The fact Bairstow has not progressed is down to himself and the fact England has dragged him around on a series of long holidays for no particular reason will put a stop to his England career, not Joe Root playing backstop in what ended up as a beer match.
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hopefully prior will be back for first test but if not Root is the better batsmen so keep him in and maybe bring in stokes or another bowler ( maybe monty or finn ) depends on the pitch but I'd like to see Kieswetter back in the set up next year sometime
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I'm pretty sure England would call in a specialist keeper if prior wasn't fit.
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If Prior wasn't fit, Bairstow would probably be given a go. If not, definitely Buttler simply for the fact that they're in the England set up. At a very wild long shot it would be Lions keeper Ben Foakes.
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I'm pretty sure England would call in a specialist keeper if prior wasn't fit.
Isn't Ron Weasley over as reserve keeper though?? (And he is Yorkshire's first choice keeper when not being dragged round the world carrying drinks)
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That's what i mean, I don't think they would use Root as he is not a test match standard keeper. Bairstow is a specialist keeper and regardless of form with the bat is a far better
Keeper than Root.
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That's what i mean, I don't think they would use Root as he is not a test match standard keeper. Bairstow is a specialist keeper and regardless of form with the bat is a far better
Keeper than Root.
Ah sorry mate, I thought you meant call up a new keeper instead of JB, I obviously read it wrong lol
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IMO you can only have your 2nd choice keeper fail so many times with the bat, before you think,
Hmmm, let root keep, and let's play a batsmen who'll score some runs, or a bowler to sure up the attack.
Granted root wouldn't be test match quality....yet, doesn't mean they cant see his potential and start working on improvements in his keeping department, to blood him as prior backup/replacement.
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I don't think 'seeing how he goes' is right. It's an ashes series. I'd rather see Chris Read keep than Joe Root.
Before he kept yesterday would you have even thought as root as a genuine replacement?
It's a bit silly really to even be considering it.
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Taking the gloves for 20-30 overs in what was only ever going to be a glorified net session for the England bowlers is completely different to having to concentrate for 90 overs in a day.
You'd want a specialist doing it for that period of time which is exactly why Bairstow has been taken on the tour.
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Why not Buttler or Kieswetter... Oh yes, because they are nowhere near as good as Prior.
I worry about Bairstow too. Cracking fielder and relies on natural fielding ability behind the stumps, but that can be strained in 90 overs on a hot day...
I'm not sure if I'd be happy with anyone keeping other than Prior in test match cricket for England...
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root kept so that there is a plan b if prior is injured in a test match.
it won't be a long term plan as his off-spin is more useful to the team as a whole.
bairstow would keep if Prior couldn't play. my mortgage is on Prior being fit for the test.
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Okay, in defence of Bairstow, go back and watch his two knocks against the Yarpies last year. If, bearing in mind that England ensured he often went six weeks without a competitive knock in the time since, you can seriously tell me that he is not someone with the potential to be test class, then I'll tell you you know absolutely eff all about cricket. Though given you've probably just advocated starting an Ashes series with a guy who has NEVER PREVIOUSLY KEPT WICKET IN SENIOR CRICKET I guess you've already made that point more eloquently than I ever could.
That said, is he the second best keeper in England? No - I'd say **on keeping ability** that Read, Foster, Wallace, Hodd and Simpson are well ahead and Kiswetter has a slight lead. But he is no worse than Buttler, Foakes or Davies who are the other serious test candidates, and none of them have shown the same cojones under pressure, nor is he any worse than Prior was when he made his test debut - indeed, by that notedly low mark, he is more or less the reincarnation of Bob Taylor. So he deserves a chance, even if I am desperately hoping that Prior is fit.
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i gave a point to debate. so debate away, but there is no need for a personal attack.
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i gave a point to debate. so debate away, but there is no need for a personal attack.
Here's my two-penneth. You said 'if Root is good enough to be reserve keeper'
Well, he is not. He took the gloves for an hour or two at the end of a rained off match that didn't mean anything.
You wouldn't have let Bairstow keep in this match to stop a potential freak accident so it was left to the lowest rated batsmen. It would be Root or Carberry. I'd suggest Root is more open to doing anything and was happy to take the gloves.
Bairstow is much better than Root at keeping, and that is why he is in the squad.
I think the debate is over.
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Here's my two-penneth. You said 'if Root is good enough to be reserve keeper'
Well, he is not. He took the gloves for an hour or two at the end of a rained off match that didn't mean anything.
You wouldn't have let Bairstow keep in this match to stop a potential freak accident so it was left to the lowest rated batsmen. It would be Root or Carberry. I'd suggest Root is more open to doing anything and was happy to take the gloves.
Bairstow is much better than Root at keeping, and that is why he is in the squad.
I think the debate is over.
Surely Ballance or Root, I don't think they'd ask Carbs due to his health
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My view for what's its worth is that the wicket keeper position is far to important to take any chance with, espicially with the importance England place on Swann. Standing back to the quicks is far easier than standing up to spin and especially someone like Swann who changes pace, flight with minimal change in action. Prior and Swann are like a well oiled machine and that is not something that can be replaced with a novice.
Now I do not know much about Bairstow keeping having hardly seen him keep. So my choice would be a a top end keeper if that's Bairstow than fair enough but if not than I personally would call up James Foster who is without doubt the best keeper in England and arguably the best in the world. I know a lot will have questions about his batting but personally I don't think his batting is that bad not to Prior level but with the strength of the top order and the strength of the tail that is a chance I would take and his keeping will save lots of runs and you would bank on him taking the half chances as well. He would also have the skills to keep to Swann without having seen much of him and is regarded as the best standing up to the stumps in all forms of cricket, saw him take an amazing stumping off Napier at Canterbury this year and Napier is still serious pace and bowls a very heavy ball.
Anyway that's my view for what's its worth.
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Prior will play, even if he is on one leg, and he will still do a bloody good job with the gloves and scrap for his life with the bat.
He's a proper bloke.
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Back on the opening spot.
Carbs has put a good show, but was only one innings. I think he'll get another go in the next warm up match (if there is one). What also helped was Root getting runs down the order again.
All in all, I think Carbs is in pole position for it now, with Root at six and hopefully that'll solve two weaker spots in the team, at least for this series.
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The runs obviously help Carbs stake his claim, but Compton scored some big runs too.
The difference is I sense Carbs has fitted into the group perfectly. From an outsider looking in, I get the sense Compton and Flower (maybe even Cook/the team as a whole) had a few differences of opinion.
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Back on the opening spot.
Carbs has put a good show, but was only one innings. I think he'll get another go in the next warm up match (if there is one). What also helped was Root getting runs down the order again.
All in all, I think Carbs is in pole position for it now, with Root at six and hopefully that'll solve two weaker spots in the team, at least for this series.
Carbs has had 2 decent knocks out of 2 (and is averaging over 100 so far this tour).
Root looked good in the middle order, so I think the batting lineup has probably been chosen as Cook, Carbs, Trott, KP, Bell, Root, Prior and the bowlers.
As for the bowlers I have a feeling it will be Tremlett as he was given a go in this warm up game, if it was me I'd have that as the starting XI for the first test, but we'll have to wait & see.
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Just read pietersen has left the team for work and injections on his right knee.
He too will probably play, but will be a dilemma if him and prior both missing,
Cook
Carbs
Trott
Bell
Root
balance
Bairstow
Broad
Swann
Finn
Anderson
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i gave a point to debate. so debate away, but there is no need for a personal attack.
The point you gace was one of the most palpably ridiculous I've ever heard suggested and needed firmly slapping down. It was akin to suggesting that England play Gary Ballance as an opening bowler or try to convert Boyd Rankin into a middle order batsman.
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Jonathan Trott has bowled before so he could form a deadly swing partnership with Jimmy with the new ball.
It will be a massive blow if England lose Prior. Such a quality player and
opens the door for the Aussies a little.
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If Prior/KP miss out, at least Carberry will certainly achieve his dream so soon after the blood clots on his lung... and send for JAMES TAYLOR.
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Agree that Carberry is set to open. Root just looks more comfortable at 6, though in time, I'm sure he will move back up the order.
Root as a keeper is an absolute non starter, sorry. I would assume he was given the gloves based on either volunteering or as the most expendable of the top 6 batsmen if he got injured keeping. If Prior is out, Bairstow will keep, that's what he's there for. I agree that Prior will play and, to be frank, I'd rather have Prior on one leg with one arm than Root keeping in an Ashes Test match. I took up keeping for the first time this past season and I found the toughest part to be constantly focussing for every ball - for Root to do that in 25-30 degree heat over five days, not too mention the many technical shortfalls he will have (after all, if he was quality, he'd be keeping much more frequently) would be a monumental ask...
KP's injury is a concern long term, though I'm sure he'll play the entire series and they will manage his knee daily. IF he isn't fit, I see Bell moving up to 4, Root at 5 and most likely Ballance at 6.
I think the top 7 will be; Cook, Carberry, Trott, KP, Bell, Root, Prior. Worst case; Cook, Carberry, Trott, Bell, Root, Ballance, Bairstow. If the Aussies see the latter, they'll be smelling blood - lot of inexperience and low scores in there, though I don't doubt that Root, Ballance and Bairstow will be quality test players with long careers...
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hope prior and kp get over there strains as they are two of the more exciting players in the england team. Don't mind if trott doesn't play though
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Ballance gives the impression of a rabbit in the headlights if you listen to the press.
How about playing Stokes as the extra batter, which gives you a fourth seamer option too?
(Prepares to be laughed out of town)
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Screw it all, Swanny was saying how he is going to score an Ashes ton so let him open, and then if Ballance is really that bad we can always stick Bumble in at 5.
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Ballance gives the impression of a rabbit in the headlights if you listen to the press.
How about playing Stokes as the extra batter, which gives you a fourth seamer option too?
(Prepares to be laughed out of town)
Actually I think that is something that might be considered. Ballance will be fine but seems a bit nervous at his run of low scores, and Bairstow is not used to batting seven...
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Ballance gives the impression of a rabbit in the headlights if you listen to the press.
How about playing Stokes as the extra batter, which gives you a fourth seamer option too?
(Prepares to be laughed out of town)
Sounds a decent shout to me. I would like to see stokes given a go. I think he would add a better balance to the side as we have Root & even Carberry as additional spin options (and KP if fit) so I think an extra seam option is the way forward.
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Stokes would be a good bet, but I would love to see Tymal Mills have a bowl at some point this series. If he is hitting the England batsmen, he is good enough for the Aussies, surely?
Rather have him than Finn at the moment, anyway.
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Stokes would be a good bet, but I would love to see Tymal Mills have a bowl at some point this series. If he is hitting the England batsmen, he is good enough for the Aussies, surely?
Erm, hitting them is one thing - its not like he ever seems to get them out though, is it? Or anyone out really...
At the moment, he is one of those names you file under "has potential" and hope that he might one day realise it...
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Agree he is a class player, he was all at sea in this match though, batted terribly.
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Agree he is a class player, he was all at sea in this match though, batted terribly.
He's new to the international stage, new to touring and still young. He's better than Barstow but I'd not like to see him carted around the globe and waste his talent. Keep him playing regular 4 day cricket in eng and aus/sa and let him develop
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He's new to the international stage, new to touring and still young. He's better than Barstow but I'd not like to see him carted around the globe and waste his talent. Keep him pla.ying regular 4 day cricket in eng and aus/sa and let him develop
think "better than Bairstow" is a stretch. I'd say JB is a little way ahead at this stage and has the added benefit of his keeping
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This invitational XI that England play next bowling attack is far worse than the one They put out for 'Aus A' (Should have never been called that with such a prank team playing). Pretty good from Aus really, England will be left with no real decent match practice.
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This invitational XI that England play next bowling attack is far worse than the one They put out for 'Aus A' (Should have never been called that with such a prank team playing). Pretty good from Aus really, England will be left with no real decent match practice.
Oh yeah...and England rolled out the red carpet when the Aussies were there.
At least these guys have either:
a/ played test cricket: Copeland, Henriques, Maxwell
b/ likely to play test cricket: Cutting
b/ likely to again play test cricket: Henriques, Maxwell
Gimme a run down of the bowlers Australia faced in the wrap up games this last Northern summer.
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Erm, hitting them is one thing - its not like he ever seems to get them out though, is it? Or anyone out really...
At the moment, he is one of those names you file under "has potential" and hope that he might one day realise it...
And Finn is taking loads of wickets is he? Mills provides something different. But yes, certainly one for the future, and I think he WILL realise it, given the chance.
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And Finn is taking loads of wickets is he? Mills provides something different. But yes, certainly one for the future, and I think he WILL realise it, given the chance.
Erm, dontcha reckon there is a bit of a difference between Mills - career record currently 32 wickets in the high 30s, only eight of them in the 2013 season - and Finn, who for all his sometime travails (and I would have been tempted to leave him off this tour to make space for Onions) is only two years older and has ten times as many at eight runs a bit cheaper, with nearly a hundred in Tests.
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Oh yeah...and England rolled out the red carpet when the Aussies were there.
At least these guys have either:
a/ played test cricket: Copeland, Henriques, Maxwell
b/ likely to play test cricket: Cutting
b/ likely to again play test cricket: Henriques, Maxwell
Gimme a run down of the bowlers Australia faced in the wrap up games this last Northern summer.
I'm not arguing anyone has done it any better than anyone else?
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Stokes would be a good bet, but I would love to see Tymal Mills have a bowl at some point this series. If he is hitting the England batsmen, he is good enough for the Aussies, surely?
Rather have him than Finn at the moment, anyway.
He was impressive with the bat as well...I thought he would get a good word in from the captain and batting coach..
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are the Aussies picking these poor sides so the England players don't have a real test until the start of the series, I am concerned playing these poor sides will despite give our batters plenty of time in the middle and the chance to score easy runs it will not give them the real test that is need just before such a big series!
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Not sure about the prospect of this warm up game. Weather doesn't look great and the England boys haven't even got outdoor training today because of it. The side CA have picked isn't exactly high quality with Voges now pulling out also.
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are the Aussies picking these poor sides so the England players don't have a real test until the start of the series, I am concerned playing these poor sides will despite give our batters plenty of time in the middle and the chance to score easy runs it will not give them the real test that is need just before such a big series!
Yeah, the batting in the two sides have been decent, but bowling been awful. Pretty common tactic worldwide as stated above. England didnt face a ball of spin in the warm up matches in India but the first test!
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There's only 43 first class wickets out of the entire invitational XI side that has been picked to play against England on Wednesday.