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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: LDifa on November 12, 2013, 12:55:41 AM

Title: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: LDifa on November 12, 2013, 12:55:41 AM
Hi all, just wondering who trained who, where did people work before they started out on their own?

Such as who trained Julian Millichamp and did he train James Laver?

I know there are people who are self taught, but they have had help such as Paul Aldred, he says James Laver was really helpful, which is ace considering he is direct competition.

Is there anyone out there that can map like a family tree where people making todays bats have learnt their skills from?

Personally I am trying to use most of the sponsors over the coming years, and I already have a L&W, a SAF custom, a Red Ink limited Edition, a DS, and a BB lam, plus a GN and a GM

Cheers
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Vitas Cricket on November 12, 2013, 01:06:39 AM
I'm not sure there was an ovelap with Julian Millichamp and James Laver.

A lot of branches in this family tree will track back to John Newbery.
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: simonmay5 on November 12, 2013, 02:09:00 AM
Quote from: LDifa on November 12, 2013, 12:55:41 AM
Hi all, just wondering who trained who, where did people work before they started out on their own?

Such as who trained Julian Millichamp and did he train James Laver?

I know there are people who are self taught, but they have had help such as Paul Aldred, he says James Laver was really helpful, which is ace considering he is direct competition.

Is there anyone out there that can map like a family tree where people making todays bats have learnt their skills from?

Personally I am trying to use most of the sponsors over the coming years, and I already have a L&W, a SAF custom, a Red Ink limited Edition, a DS, and a BB lam, plus a GN and a GM

Cheers


One to try is affinity if you want a class bat
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Six Sixes Cricket on November 12, 2013, 02:33:16 AM
Quote from: Vitas Cricket on November 12, 2013, 01:06:39 AM
I'm not sure there was an ovelap with Julian Millichamp and James Laver.

A lot of branches in this family tree will track back to John Newbery.
Millichamp trained Laver, chambers and i think Kember
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: tushar sehgal on November 12, 2013, 03:00:43 AM
If this ever gets a good/proper response it would make for a very interesting read
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Six Sixes Cricket on November 12, 2013, 03:02:52 AM
Quote from: tushar sehgal on November 12, 2013, 03:00:43 AM
If this ever gets a good/proper response it would make for a very interesting read
There was a tree done a few years back but sadly this sites search function is (No Swearing Please) and i cant find it or i'm (No Swearing Please) at using the search function
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: tushar sehgal on November 12, 2013, 03:06:53 AM
Quote from: d7bow on November 12, 2013, 03:02:52 AM
There was a tree done a few years back but sadly this sites search function is (No Swearing Please) and i cant find it or i'm (No Swearing Please) at using the search function

I kind of remember a similar topic back a year or two but can't recall if it was ever completed.
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: jamielsn15 on November 12, 2013, 06:40:30 AM
What a great idea for a thread - trace back the bat making Royalty!
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Buzz on November 12, 2013, 07:09:17 AM
there is one on here, posted by SAF bats or Norbs, if that helps
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: tim2000s on November 12, 2013, 07:29:15 AM
This is the topic:

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=8979.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=8979.0)

and this from SAF:

Quote from: SAF Bats on January 07, 2011, 09:29:45 PM
L J Nicholls [Nicholls Bats]
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Len Newbery [Nicholls Bats - then Gray-Nicholls]
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John Newbery [Newbery]
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Julian Millichamp [Millichamp and Hall] - Andrew Kember [Salix Bats] - Tim Keeley [Newbery bats]
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James Laver [Laver and Wood] - Paul Bradbury [Bradbury] - Sam Miller [formerly Chase now Puma??] Millichamp Apprentices
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Marty Graham [MG2] James Laver Apprentice


Max Warsop [Warsop and Stebbing]
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Chris Hext Farrant [Premier Bat Company New Zealand] Still makes them today


Stuart Surridge and George Busey [Stuart Surridge]
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Norman Hunt [Stuart Surridge, see below]


Benjamin Warsop & Sons [B. Warsop & sons]
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George Hunt [Formerly of Stuart Surridge]
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Norman Hunt [Hunts County]
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: LDifa on November 12, 2013, 08:00:07 AM
That's spot on Tim thanks.

Just think it is interesting knowing/learning where people have learnt their trade, I know people will have their favourite bat manufacturer and also their favourite shape (there was some Thruxton love on a thread), I am in search of my favourite bat, and this forum is a nightmare -I have spent far too much already :)
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Johnny on November 12, 2013, 08:13:12 AM
I know speaking with Charlie French that he learned a lot from Bernie Facer. Have a feeling Bernie came out of the Hunts stable. What about Eric Loxley?
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Number4 on November 12, 2013, 08:32:03 AM
And now James Laver has a new apprentice... Toby Richardson
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Alvaro on November 12, 2013, 12:17:09 PM
And Ben Bowles at Salix
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Mortimer on November 12, 2013, 09:06:12 PM
Quote from: Johnny on November 12, 2013, 08:13:12 AM
I know speaking with Charlie French that he learned a lot from Bernie Facer. Have a feeling Bernie came out of the Hunts stable. What about Eric Loxley?

Bernie Facer worked for the old County Bats, before Hunts County Bats was formed. Bernie left to form his own business.
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Vulcan Cricket on November 12, 2013, 09:14:06 PM
What about tony from hunts gary standford mike stanard tony from warsop the lads at hawk ryan dan nics alex from grays loads and loads
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Seniorplayer on November 12, 2013, 10:54:54 PM
Prior to retiring due to ill health Bernie Facer trained both Mike and Rob Hawk.
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on April 06, 2016, 09:09:23 PM
Anyone interested in reviving this thread?
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Churchy1989 on April 07, 2016, 09:41:11 AM
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on April 06, 2016, 09:09:23 PM
Anyone interested in reviving this thread?

That is a pretty interesting read, would be nice to see it updated with Kipppax, Affinity, H4L, Hawk etc..
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Seniorplayer on April 07, 2016, 09:59:41 AM
Quote from: Mortimer on November 12, 2013, 09:06:12 PM
Bernie Facer worked for the old County Bats, before Hunts County Bats was formed. Bernie left to form his own business.

Yes  it was called double D
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on April 07, 2016, 10:22:51 AM
Quote from: Seniorplayer on April 07, 2016, 09:59:41 AM
Yes  it was called double D.

Double B. Bernie Bats.
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on January 27, 2021, 10:00:47 PM
Were Stuart Surridge bats ever made at the Bussey Building in Peckham?
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Rez on January 27, 2021, 10:48:04 PM
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on April 07, 2016, 10:22:51 AM
Double B. Bernie Bats.

Think it was Baronet Bats

To add to the list, chatting with Ed Garrard I believe he spent a bit of time learning with Keeley.
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on January 27, 2021, 10:54:27 PM
Quote from: Rez on January 27, 2021, 10:48:04 PM
Think it was Baronet Bats

To add to the list, chatting with Ed Garrard I believe he spent a bit of time learning with Keeley.

BB Baronet? Baronet was the name of the bat? Like Jumbo or Magnum?
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Rez on January 27, 2021, 11:01:07 PM
Might be wrong but I always remember it as Baronet Bats.... but then again it was a while ago  :)
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on January 27, 2021, 11:05:00 PM
You might be right. One in this thread: http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=6871.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=6871.0)
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Rez on January 27, 2021, 11:33:47 PM
Just went for another rummage in the shed as remembered the sticker on the back of my bat.... The actual brand would appear to be 'Double B Batmakers'. So maybe Baronet was the model of the bat and maybe he did call it Double B for Bernies Bats.


(https://i.postimg.cc/1z8HVwb9/20210127-232553.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/cKNYVgsj)
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on January 28, 2021, 10:17:14 AM
Thanks. I was by no means sure.

Anyone with any information on Surridge and Bussey?
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: DRob on February 17, 2021, 10:27:17 AM
Not sure about the Bussey and Surridge connection, but Percy Surridge was taught batmaking by James Lillywhite - https://www.surridgesport.com/surridge-since-1867 (https://www.surridgesport.com/surridge-since-1867)
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on February 17, 2021, 11:16:35 AM
Following on from their Slazenger and Fearnley features, there's going to be a Stuart Surridge article in next month's Cricketer.
Title: Re: Cricket Bat Family Tree
Post by: Hoover on February 20, 2021, 01:12:02 AM
Quote from: tim2000s on November 12, 2013, 07:29:15 AM
This is the topic:

[url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=8979.0[/url] ([url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=8979.0[/url])

and this from SAF:

Just to clarify the real sequence for Julian at M&H
1987 M&H founded, Julian Millichamp the bat maker of M&H after training and making under Newbery
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1990 took on the first “apprentice” Paul Bradbury
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1991 took on Lee Britton, Henry Gresswell entered as new partner.
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1993 Simon Milton joined M&H in Australia only.
(Sam Miller did 2 weeks work experience as a 15yo)
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1993 Sally Bradbury and Paul Bradbury founded Bradbury Cricket
(first known female bat maker)
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1994 Puma bought out M&H Australia, Sam Miller came in as an apprentice
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1995 Simon Milton left, started Milton Gibson bats in Australia until 1997
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Jonathon Hall left M&H
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1996 James Laver employed as “apprentice”, James later returned to NZ and joined with George Wood making bats
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2001 Henry Gresswell sold business to apprentice of 6 weeks, Rob Chambers
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2006 Julian Millichamp started Screaming Cat, a phrase used by John Newbery for a good bat
Sam went on to join with John Hardy, the founder of Chase and Masuri.