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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Ashes 2013/2014 => Topic started by: tim2000s on November 21, 2013, 12:10:33 AM
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So England lost the toss and are bowling. Plenty of swing early doors. Tremlett the right third seamer?
And who would've guessed that Broad's first ball would be short and pulled for four ;)
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First ball nerves from Broady, no drama.
Good to see the kook ball moving for Jimmy, Onions would enjoy that too...Tremlett hardly disgraced himself last time out though. Game on
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Good start from Anderson but as you say not a great first of from Board
As I say that WICKET Time see you Rogers
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WICKET.....
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Has Watson sorted his problem of planting his front leg and plumb in front?? Time to see
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Game On.
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Lucky boy Watson just chips second ball over points head
Game on, time for Aussie bashing I hope. CT could be a massive handful on this deck
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can see australia losing a few wickets by lunch
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Hope so!
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Remains to be seen whether Australia the patience to try and see it out until lunch.
Then score more freely after lunch, when it gets easier to bat.
Obviously Warner's a dasher, but he's shown in the past he can get big scores.
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Yes! Watson gone. :D
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Who will be the saviour for Aus
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5 down!! Australia struggling
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Who will be the saviour for Aus
Unfortunately nobody
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5 down!! Australia struggling
Your up early
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Mitchell Johnson gone. 5fer for Broad. Aussies loving that!
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Siddle gone, b Anderson c Cook. Turning into a decent session for England now
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Great knock Mitchell Johnson. Absolute star. Watch out England, when he bats well, he bowls really well.
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Mitchell Johnson has taken a 10 for, and made a pair in the same game. He made 123* and took 4/148.
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Ashes breakfast time :)
Surprised the Aussies persist with these horrible bird's eye camera angles.
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Julian Millichamp, owner of screaming cat is producing bats at the gabba for the majority of the test aswell.
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Hope he can produce a few wider ones for tomorrow....
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Job alert for the ashes:
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Almost time! Everyone ready?
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Yep!
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Already sleepy :(
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Hopefully take 2 quick wickets and then England can put a big total on the board.
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6 for Broad! I have no idea why the Australians don't rate him lol
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They would rate him if he was 1 of their own
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6 for Broad! I have no idea why the Australians don't rate him lol
Honestly? You have no idea?
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6 for Broad! I have no idea why the Australians don't rate him lol
Do you really have no idea? You have watched him before haven't you?
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6 for Broad! I have no idea why the Australians don't rate him lol
We rate him but think he's a (No Swearing Please) bloke and he is. Just remember also it's the first innings of the first test anything can happen in the long run
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Commentators already getting stuck into Carberry's lid
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Commentators always rip in like theyve never seen one before
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Date to be different and always nice to be talked about...ust be the most talked about piece of cricket equipment on the market!! Long may it continue :)
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Just received some information from a very reliable onsite source that JT is using a JM created bat today.. The flat toe could be the give away
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Almost a mirror image of the Aussie innings so far
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Come on Aussiesssssssss. Lyon on a hat trick
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Oh dear what is happening great excitement to listen to even for an Englishman, the Aussies are up for it now. This is what the Ashes is all about.
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Root goooonnneee 7/89..... England have lost 5 wickets for 7 runs
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The Aussies!!!!!!! My only worry is if Lyon is getting spin, imagine what Swann can do.......
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Lyon is bowling beautifully
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He bowls to the left, he bowls to the right...
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Magic, work tomorrow will be tough on no sleep but well worth it!
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What has happened here??? Who let this happen? :o :(
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Broad dons the Aditek (really an Ayrtek as we all know)
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Lyon is bowling beautifully
He's bowling ok. A bit fortunate to get his 2 wickets off shortish balls that should have been easily nudged away. Lyon has troubled Broad when he's pitched it up but he's bowled too short too often to be honest.
But the Aussies are in great shape! Let's hope the batsmen back it up. :)
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England's run of dreadful first test matches continues.... The bowlers must get really fed up with the batsmen...
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Any rain on the way?
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Could be a long test ... Just gives the Aussies a lit but of hope for the series
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Morning!
What did I miss?........oh! Wow!
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Well I'm glad I didn't get up early for that, might not be an all nighter tonight either...
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He bowls to the left, he bowls to the right...
Brilliant! Something about schadenfreude and cold early morning meals...
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Well I'm glad I didn't get up early for that, might not be an all nighter tonight either...
Same, decided to get all the kip in preparation for an all nighter tonight. Game isn't lost yet though, at least we didn't follow on. Swann will tear the Aussies apart again and we'll chase down 400 for one wicket with half a day to spare.
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Good work Aussies, woeful performance from England with the bat.
Now let's see if you can actually win more than one days worth of Test cricket for the first time in 12 months..
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I'm pretty sure that England are just my old club in disguise... The bowlers have a blinder, consider putting their feet up and then they find out that they're 7-63 (as I said in the "what are you thinking?" thread... Just call me the oracle ;) haha) and you just wish you could have a day off with the bat, just once!
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Did Aussies dislike Broad before he didn't walk for edging it to the keeper?
Couldn't believe the collapse when I checked my phone this morning :(
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Hope i'm wrong but I can't see Trott surviving in Test cricket for much longer now. You can't continue to play test cricket (unless in the sub-continent) when you have no idea at how to play the short ball.
I know Clarke has issues but at least he doesn't look scared of it, he at least tries to stand up and play the ball, its just a matter of his technique getting sorted out (and his back getting better)
Trott however just looks completely scared of the ball and jumping outside the off-stump just on the chance he's able to glance it away down the leg side (and be caught!)
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i'm kind of in shock as to the collapse as i thought we would esily be 270-290 at the close of play but once more england shut down and went nowhere so losing wickets was inevitable, just wish we showed some impotous like some aussie batsman as Warner, Carberry, Haddin aside no-one has looked comfy
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I just can't believe how slow Tremlett is bowling now
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Just received some information from a very reliable onsite source that JT is using a JM created bat today.. The flat toe could be the give away
Pity it didn't see too many balls :D
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According to sky, Tremlett is bowling the same pace (give 2mph up or down) as he was in the last away Ashes, all the talk about him being slow is rubbish.
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According to sky, Tremlett is bowling the same pace (give 2mph up or down) as he was in the last away Ashes, all the talk about him being slow is rubbish.
Spot on. It just LOOKED quicker back then.
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It the mystical "ZIP" he's lost IMO, although the ball he got Smith with seemed more like it!
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To be fair though, it's good to see some proper fast bowling in world cricket with Johnson going like he did today. Nothing like some proper fire. Maybe it's the Merv tache that's brought him back into form...
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Johnson looks/is quick and sure he's fired up but for McGrath to say its the most aggressive and best spell of bowling he's seen in years is a load of old tosh...
(The Merv tash is quality!)
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I'll be honest, I haven't seen many more hostile bowling performances in a good while in Tests, so much more enjoyable if there is a bit of bounce in the deck, makes it a better contest!
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I'm glad i went to bed earlier last night, I avoided the carnage! Great bowling from Johnson, coupled to some downright awful batting from our boys. We'll need to go some to save this one.
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His first spell was wayward but when he came back on he really was on fire... And put one on the back of Broads head to make him change to the Ayrtek
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I woke up and it was 80-2. Thought 'not great, but ok' but was pleased for Carberry that he was still in... turned off and promptly went back to sleep. Woke up this morning to hear Bell on 5, so I expected him to be in but then the actual reality hit me. Not great at all.
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They were saying on Comms that he tends to bowl better after bowling a short pitched spell as it get his arm/action more upright, certainly came back nicely in his second spell.
Really want him to start swinging the ball though!
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I'll be honest, I haven't seen many more hostile bowling performances in a good while in Tests, so much more enjoyable if there is a bit of bounce in the deck, makes it a better contest!
That's true there haven't been many more. But whenever Mr.Steyn is fired up he is far more hostile IMHO.
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That's true there haven't been many more. But whenever Mr.Steyn is fired up he is far more hostile IMHO.
Steyn nearly all ways hostile
But when Johnson's in the zone, he's the most dangerous bowler in world cricket.
With Steyn you expect him to destroy sides. Whereas with Johnson it's like predicting the lottery.
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Hope i'm wrong but I can't see Trott surviving in Test cricket for much longer now. You can't continue to play test cricket (unless in the sub-continent) when you have no idea at how to play the short ball.
I know Clarke has issues but at least he doesn't look scared of it, he at least tries to stand up and play the ball, its just a matter of his technique getting sorted out (and his back getting better)
Trott however just looks completely scared of the ball and jumping outside the off-stump just on the chance he's able to glance it away down the leg side (and be caught!)
Trott's all ways had a weakness with the short pitched delivery.
Back when he played for Boland. As soon as he came in, he'd get bombed.
His inability to score freely through cover means if the opposition bowl fullish outside off. Trott gets tied down. Then you bang it in and he's hopeless.
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England batted rubbish and will probably lose this test. Trott, kp, root, prior all played crap shots. Cook and bell got decent balls and perhaps carberry could of done better. Swann looked unlucky and tremlett did his best. Broad didn't have much choice.
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Trott's all ways had a weakness with the short pitched delivery.
Back when he played for Boland. As soon as he came in, he'd get bombed.
His inability to score freely through cover means if the opposition bowl fullish outside off. Trott gets tied down. Then you bang it in and he's hopeless.
Sounds so simple really!
Strange it's taken so long to come to the fore front of his batting.
Certainly making up for it by targeting him now!
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Sounds so simple really!
Strange it's taken so long to come to the fore front of his batting.
Certainly making up for it by targeting him now!
Not really. There aren't many 145kph bowlers I world cricket.
Trott's struggles have been against Steyn and Morkel. Harris and Johnson.
Top class bowlers.
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Not really. There aren't many 145kph bowlers I world cricket.
Trott's struggles have been against Steyn and Morkel. Harris and Johnson.
Top class bowlers.
Top class *RAPID* bowlers. Too many fast bowlers bowling low to mid 80's won't bring the flaw out as much. Some of the short stuff on show was bodyline-esque...
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Trott's technical issues are due to him moving too much at the point of delivery and his on the walk trigger. As pointed out, it isn't new, if you watch video's of him on youtube from his batting in Aus last time around he did the same thing, just moved a little earlier and was still at the point of delivery.
The major change is that he now goes too far across his stumps (in my view) which is why he is getting out down the leg side a load.
It will be interesting to see if he sorts this by the second innings - he hasn't sorted it in the last 2 months... so I am not hopeful! :(
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having just watched the lowlights on cricinfo am i the only one who feels the bowling wasnt all that special? People raving about how amazing johnson was. i only watched up til 1.30 live this morning and they were bowling well but some of the wicket balls just look average, the build up etc may have been better
cook - decent ball
carberry - decent ball
trott - strangled down the leg side.
KP - pretty average ball and pretty average shot. should have been 4.
bell - average ball and poorly played
prior - average ball and poorly played
root - average ball and shocking shot at 89/6. what was he thinking?
swann - average ball - not much danger. poor shot/ maybe a touch unlucky
broad - attacking at the end so can let him off
tremlett - tailender getting a rising ball - decent ball, played averagly.
lyon looked like he wasnt bowling brilliantly and johnson may have been hostile but he wasnt exactly taking wickets with jaffas was he! harris bowled with good control and didnt see much of siddle.
so out of 10 wickets 3 were decent balls. the rest were average balls which shouldnt really have caused issues but were poorly played. Yes england are up against it but there is no reason we cant dig ourselves out of the hole. rip through the aussies and get our heads down playing proper shots
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It's not like England to start a series badly is it.......
Makes me wonder how many times they need this kind of wake up call before someone says; ''hang on a minute, let's be ready from day one for once.''
Fingers crossed for a massive 500-1 score next time we bat.
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our best bet is the wicket flattens out and slows up...and it rains...
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Flattens out?! Thats Brisbane runway..... haha
Both teams gifted wickets!
Johnson had his moments of averageness, but the fact that he doesn't know where its going either probably unsettles the best of batsmen.
Some good balls got wickets, but the Aussies turned the screw and started a rot / collapse, personally I think thats as much a skill as hitting off stump.
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having just watched the lowlights on cricinfo am i the only one who feels the bowling wasnt all that special?
This was my point re Johnson and his bowling. That spell where he came round the wicket was good with lots of bounce and aggression and along with the pressure built, in part by poor mental fortitude of the English batsmen, but mainly by Siddle, harris and Lyon. It meant Johnson could get those wickets because the English rhubarb wafters were feeling the pressure. I just don't think it was that special from him alone. So for me it's more well done to the Aussie bowling unit as a whole.
Overall though I think capitulation must have been the order of the day, perhaps we'll be less Gaulish tonight... That said - days/sessions like that do make test and especially Ashes cricket the best format!
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looking at some of the wickets the bounce seems to of unsettled some on both teams
these days most wickets are flat and against the bowlers nice to see some pace and carry in this track
England will go under in this game and it's set up to be a better series than the home one
I always thought 3-0 flattered us a bit.....and our batters have been bailed out by our top class bowlers many times in recent years.
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I always thought 3-0 flattered us a bit.....and our batters have been bailed out by our top class bowlers many times in recent years.
Agreed. The batters have been saved by late order runs and the bowling efforts in many recent matches
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So when is this topic being merged with the 'village cricket' one?
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Don't think many of the England batsmen will look on this with pride in the future - Carberry grafted and was eventually dismissed by Johnson's one bit of true inspiration, and Cook got a beauty from Harris. Other than that though, it was a series of average to terrible shots, together with a bit of fortune for the bowlers (though Trott's strangle, which is a methos of dismissal that I would normally want banned, was justice for his stupid technique!). This will be the second successive Ashes between poor sides I fear.
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Its also worth mentioning (if not already been) that this is the fastest wicket of the series.. Somehow get the feeling that its going to be a lot different in the other test matches.
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So when is this topic being merged with the 'village cricket' one?
True, as someone else said though. Second ashes series between two mediocre teams capable of the odd majestic innings/bowling display but also equally capable of collapse.
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Anyone going to stay up and watch tonight??
Still debating it, not sure if I've done anything to warrant punishing myself by watching it haha.
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Any predictions on how today's play is going to pan out?
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I'll be up to watch it. We had 90+mph bowlers bowling with hostility! Exactly what test cricket is about, too much medium plod around currently.
Warner on the charge, Watson due some runs and Haddin in some form, should be a good day test to watch if you try and forget England are getting to led and just take it as cricket
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Any predictions on how today's play is going to pan out?
They'll start about midnight, bowl a bit, have drinks, bowl a bit more, breaks at about 2 o'clock and 5 o'clockish, finish at 7 o'clock then go back to their hotel I'd imagine
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I hope Clarke get some runs under his belt tomorrow.
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They'll start about midnight, bowl a bit, have drinks, bowl a bit more, breaks at about 2 o'clock and 5 o'clockish, finish at 7 o'clock then go back to their hotel I'd imagine
You think it will last that long? Don't think Warner will blast 100, Aus declare and put Eng back in and then bowl them out for under 100 like they should have been yesterday?
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Australian media are really giving it to Broad, calling him Stuart Fraud and what not.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/england-bowler-stuart-broad-defies-2815210 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/cricket/england-bowler-stuart-broad-defies-2815210)
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You think it will last that long? Don't think Warner will blast 100, Aus declare and put Eng back in and then bowl them out for under 100 like they should have been yesterday?
Depends if your boys want to bring up a 4 figure lead or not :(
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I see England batting out a draw to be honest
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I see England batting out a draw to be honest
I would love to see it but if I'm honest it's very unlikely after the first innings
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After the last time at the Gabba in 2nd innings I can see Australia leaving us just 500 as the porch looks a belter but after the scores so far looks could be deceiving.
Aus will bat all day if possible which will give them a lead of about 550 then England will have to bat out of there skins to save it or win it but it doesn't look good. Part from my net looking shot to bits its not the worst thing if we lose this test as I can't seen England batting this badly again
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Let's face it though, as much as I hate to admit it, England have the batsmen to bat for days
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Let's face it though, as much as I hate to admit it, England have the batsmen to bat for days
Where are they?
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Where are they?
Well Compton was left behind and Collingwood hasn't been selected for years... ;)
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Where are they?
Only have look at Eng top 7 batsmen and all are capable of batting for 2 full days. Just because they didn't in the first innings doesn't mean they won't in the second.
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Isn't rain supposed to be around?
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Isn't rain supposed to be around?
Bloody hope so :-[
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Let's face it though, as much as I hate to admit it, England have the batsmen to bat for days
That is very true bit trott and prior look well out of nick, Carberry is new to this test lark, and cook has been well below is usual standards and KP didn't look great in warm ups but by his own admission doesn't get excited about warm up games so only really Bell in form.
To be fair to the Aussie's they gave England no decent bowlers in the warm up games not even county 2nds standards a lot of them and they bowled very well in England's first innings.
We really need to skittle the Aussie top order for no more than about 100 this morning.
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Is anyone a statto, break down our top 5 from 2009 -2011 and from 2012 to now! Tells it's own story.
England NEED Cook and/or Trott to bat all day. Currently bih are not doing this and we are struggling to score big runs. It's been with us for ages but they are scoring just enough to not get questioned but not enough to really reach the heights they once were
Just my opinion
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The reason trott and cook aren't scoring runs is because opposition sides have worked out what they need to do to get them out, pure and simple. Cook has been out using the same approach multiple times over the last few tests.
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The reason trott and cook aren't scoring runs is because opposition sides have worked out what they need to do to get them out, pure and simple. Cook has been out using the same approach multiple times over the last few tests.
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Yes Tim. Pretty much what we said too
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Excellent start.
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Someone ought remind all 22 players that they are pro players so what the hell are they doing batting like amateurs!
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Great stuff here from the Aussies!!!! Is it me or does Bailey turn blind very often?
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This is awful! Maybe it's lack of sleep, but I don't recognise this England team. At least the bowlers can now have a rest, it's time for the batters to stand up and show some fight! If we get bowled out quickly again this series is going to be painful...
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Trott is just a sitting duck right now. The Aussies have worked him out big time...
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Bowlers are blameless, bowling basically for 3 days in the heat, and in the second innings against batsmen able to play with freedom.
Carberry was unlucky but Trott needs plan for the short stuff or he's a walking wicket.
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I think that is the end of Trott's career if this continues through the series.
Time to get Bairstow, Taylor and whoever else is good enough prepared for the highest level.
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I think that is the end of Trott's career if this continues through the series.
Time to get Bairstow, Taylor and whoever else is good enough prepared for the highest level.
Hardly. Johnson is known to blow hot and cold. This will be the quickest track of the series, and Johnson's history may mean he is all ovr the shop be the end of the series potentially.
When is the next time Trott will be up against a 90+ mph bowler?
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Bowlers are blameless, bowling basically for 3 days in the heat, and in the second innings against batsmen able to play with freedom.
Carberry was unlucky but Trott needs plan for the short stuff or he's a walking wicket.
I thought Swann bowled quite terrible for the most part but the captaining was the most dreadful part.... Letting Warner get easy singles to get Clarke on strike... Is Cook stark raving mad??? All he did was let them both get set and what do ya know both get 100's
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He certainly wasn't at his best, but it's a lot tougher as a finger spinner when the batsmen have free reign to take you on.
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Hardly. Johnson is known to blow hot and cold. This will be the quickest track of the series, and Johnson's history may mean he is all ovr the shop be the end of the series potentially.
When is the next time Trott will be up against a 90+ mph bowler?
I'm pretty sure that Johnson, whilst he won't bowl like that all the time, should still be excellent in 2 of the remaining tests at least.
Trott will face that pace the next time we play South Africa... Pakistan also have some rapid lads coming through, whilst India have a new fast bowler in the high 80s I believe.
I like Trott, but I think he may have just had that watershed 'retire' moment.
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Hardly. Johnson is known to blow hot and cold. This will be the quickest track of the series, and Johnson's history may mean he is all ovr the shop be the end of the series potentially.
When is the next time Trott will be up against a 90+ mph bowler?
Roach? Certainly can bowl the short ball well.
If he doesn't struggle against pace then he's been struggling against spin.
Will Perth not be the quickest track ;)
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I like Trott, but I think he may have just had that watershed 'retire' moment.
Root has struggled against Australia too. Is it time he retired?
There'll come a time when Trott bats when Johnson isn't bowling, hopefully then he'll get a bit of confidence back.
England will be a lot weaker without Trott.
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Trott is, and this is a technical term, all over the shop. Worrying that his mental game, for so long his strength, has left him...
Carberry - so unlucky, felt for him as he looked more comfortable than Cook...
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Hardly. Johnson is known to blow hot and cold. This will be the quickest track of the series, and Johnson's history may mean he is all ovr the shop be the end of the series potentially.
When is the next time Trott will be up against a 90+ mph bowler?
Trott got out in identical fashion in Lords to Ryan Harris. So that doesn't really support your theory... ;)
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I see Pietersen is still playing even though he has an issue with left arm spinners...
Who would replace Trott?
Whoever has stepped up in the last few years has struggles to adapt to Test cricket. Only Root has shown their composure to it, and even now is having a wobble.
It the summer, everyone on this forum hated Broad and didn't see why he should be in the team. Now that the Aussies hate him and he is wearing an Ayrtek, everyone loves him. Give him a bit of time and ask some of the other batsmen to step up a bit too and all will be fine.
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There is no replacement on this tour. Bairstow is probably worse.
They'll stick with trott for all 5 games
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Why start dropping players?... You haven't lost the first test yet... Geez :(
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According to sky, Tremlett is bowling the same pace (give 2mph up or down) as he was in the last away Ashes, all the talk about him being slow is rubbish.
Rubbish, he was hitting up about 140kph last tour now is consistently at 125, that is the pace McGrath bowled at.. for a bloke who's 6'10" and built like a brick shithouse its pathetic
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Rubbish, he was hitting up about 140kph last tour now is consistently at 125, that is the pace McGrath bowled at.. for a bloke who's 6'10" and built like a brick shithouse its pathetic
He is big isn't he. I wonder what mountain he was chiselled from?
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This will be the quickest track of the series,
Incorrect.
Perth is way faster and bouncier.
Melbourne is pretty good too.
Adelaide is a road and Sydney is a spinners deck.
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Aus could of finished us off by scheduling Brisbane and Perth as tests 1 and 2. They would of been 2-0 before England got out of second gear.
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I was only going on what the Verdict stated yesterday, about the pace of the track.
Even a quick bowler like Harris will be easier to play once you have faced quicker in Johnson.
I am confident Trott will be better as we go through the tests. He is working hard and it only takes one bit of luck to get back in form.
England have been notorious slow starters in series, so there is no need to jump on everyone's back so quickly.
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Agreed. We will lose this test and have no one to blame but our batters. However, no need to throw the babies out with the bath water, let's see what the second test brings - we could wake up and win that, then it's all to play for!
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I'm also a bit curious about Tremlett. He looks like he bowls at club-quick pace, whether that is just the cameras or not I don't know. With an extra 10mph, he'd be class.
Tymal Mills is the fastest we have, just needs to learn about the highest levels really. Will pace even work against the Aussies though, when you consider they've grown up on fast, bouncy tracks.
They made us look like cowards yesterday, an absolute humiliation from which it takes a while to return.
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Oh for goodness sake. Tymal Mills bowls fast filth. It doesn't swing, he doesn't take wickets. Hitting people is easy, getting them out no so much.
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Trott's acid test will be at Perth.
Australia could play 4 fast bowlers(possible James Pattinson and he's rapid). So there'll be no hiding.
I can't see him struggling as much at the Adelaide Oval, as it's been pretty batsmen friendly this season.
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Don't know if it's my imagination, but the picture sky use of Cook makes him look like a pirate.
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Ha ha ha. I wasn't thinking pirate. I was thinking more broadmoor patient!
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Cook's bat looks like it doesn't have GN branding on the edges...
EDIT: It does, just well hidden under fibreglass tape...
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Excellent bowling display by the Aussies today.... Game on boys!!!!!!!!
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Hard to deny the Aussies haven't been the best side and have really roughed England up. What I do find comical is all of the stereotypical Aussie sledging machismo stuff is now coming out. When they were losing they didn't say a word
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Hard to deny the Aussies haven't been the best side and have really roughed England up. What I do find comical is all of the stereotypical Aussie sledging machismo stuff is now coming out. When they were losing they didn't say a word
Bit like no aeroplane runs from Anderson I guess..... I don't see too many losing sides sledging but when England were winning they did their fair share to be honest
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I agree with your sledging comment and I'm an Aussie. I really don't see the need for it. Just play the game.
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179 is pretty pathetic. Pitch was still flat and good for batting.
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I my opinion hearing Clarke say to Jimmy Anderson "get fing ready for a broken arm" is bordering on disrepute, especially from the skipper.
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I my opinion hearing Clarke say to Jimmy Anderson "get fing ready for a broken arm" is bordering on disrepute, especially from the skipper.
He said a broken nose mate
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I heard broken arm but missed what was said by Anderson and Bailey before that
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I heard arm, guess it doesn't matter what the threat was.
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Let's not forget that this is the Aussies first win in test cricket in nearly a year. Clarke and co are letting all of it out.
Amusing that they celebrated this test as if they've won the series
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Hard to deny the Aussies haven't been the best side and have really roughed England up. What I do find comical is all of the stereotypical Aussie sledging machismo stuff is now coming out. When they were losing they didn't say a word
we did look at previous threads .........sore loser.......yeh that was said to us as well.
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Let's not forget that this is the Aussies first win in test cricket in nearly a year. Clarke and co are letting all of it out.
Amusing that they celebrated this test as if they've won the series
Totally agree, I hope the england coaching set up force the team to take it all in. However Cricket always has a way of bringing you back to ground with a bump....
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Let's not forget that this is the Aussies first win in test cricket in nearly a year. Clarke and co are letting all of it out.
Amusing that they celebrated this test as if they've won the series
I don't think they did celebrate like they had won the series. Clarke was very clear in his speech that is was just the first test and there is plenty of cricket left in the series. I recall the Poms doing similar in England. They deserve to celebrate a win like that but it's important not to get too far ahead of themselves.
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How stupid are Cricket Australia in their Ashes scheduling..... Why wouldn't have they scheduled the second test for Perth and maintain the Bodyline attack and carnage on the fastest pitch in the World ????
Absolutely stupidity in their over sight - they could be 2 up after 2 tests....
Some of Mitchell Johnson's fastest and scariest spells have been at the WACA...
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or were they waiting for Patterson to be fit given they predicted a third test return ???
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From a naturals position I'm just glad it was not all one way traffic. Hope it all comes down to the last test ;)
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England will improve. They are too good a side not to but I think trott has been found out and it will take a miracle for him to change his technique and get used to using it before the end of the series. Take a look at hughes, he still hasn't flourished YET.
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or were they waiting for Patterson to be fit given they predicted a third test return ???
Nope.
The traditional "one two punch" of Brisbane then Perth was discontinued when Ashes (and other) series were dead before they got to Melbourne and Sydney and thus CA losing a (No Swearing Please) load of money.
In this instance, it would have been great to have the old set up of Brisbane, Perth, Melbourne (the three fastest pitches in Oz) and then Sydney and Adelaide last of all.
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Let's not forget that this is the Aussies first win in test cricket in nearly a year. Clarke and co are letting all of it out.
Amusing that they celebrated this test as if they've won the series
You want to really see a team celebrating like they had just won the series, watch this:
Ashes highlights from Trent Bridge as England beat Australia in 1st Investec Ashes Test Day 5 PM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I3mS5FbN7c#ws)
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That reminded me of the old Australia. Arrogant, aggressive, bullish and as much as I want to see England win you've got to admire the character of the Australians.
Proper cricket, sets up a good series.
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That reminded me of the old Australia. Arrogant, aggressive, bullish and as much as I want to see England win you've got to admire the character of the Australians.
Proper cricket, sets up a good series.
At the very least, it isn't going to be 5-0 like many in they UK media were predicting (with barely concealed glee).
It is a proper, old fashioned Ashes series.
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It is a proper, old fashioned Ashes series.
Indeed and I bet a lot worse has been said in the past. England need to hit back hard in the next test. I'm not sure Tremletts little floaty away swing is putting the fear into the Aussies. Hats off to them though, love a good contest.
http://youtu.be/sKtvZhmAn0I (http://youtu.be/sKtvZhmAn0I)
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I'm glad that Oz won the first test. England fans were talking themselves up as 5-0, 4-0 winners when the team have been showing signs of decline for a while now. I'm sure we've all spoke about it before but the true art of fast bowling just isn't around much now and Johnson (who isn't bowling that well really) is tearing us apart! Imagine if a WI attack was around etc. our players are given a diet of medium plod on docile tracks where you rarely worry about bouncers.. Bit like amateur tracks really, just scoff at that quick who thinks he can bounce you out
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England batted as well as the Aussies let them.... Australia bowled to a plan for each batsmen and it all paid off
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Couldn't agree more Vic. I'd gone for 1-1 in the series, with Broad and Johnson as the leading wicket takers on either side. If Johnson continues like this, I'd give it to the Australians 3-0.
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typically I wouldn't have had much confidence in Johnson sustaining his form, but if you look at his record over last year he has done really well.
when flower steps away as eng coach the dire performances of the Eng team in the first test of an away series will be his only real blott.
player for player, I still feel that we have a stronger team, so should have enough to win this series.
having Bresnan back will give a bit more confidence to the team too. In the past he has been a bit of a lucky charm.
also only two of the games are on fast bounce pitches. Sydney and Adelaide are pretty slow, in comparison to Brisbane and Perth.
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A well deserved win for the Aussies. I'm not bothered about the celebrations, why shouldn't they be happy for a first win in a while and a victory over a team that beat them in a recent series. I for one would be celebrating until the cows come home!
With regards to the chirping, it isn't necessary and pretty boring to a tailender. I'd much rather see and hear it said to a batsman. Although there weren't many who could be classed as batsmen in the two innings from England.
Cricket is a funny old game. It certainly has a way of biting you in the ass and Warner may well be on top at the moment but his comment on the evening of day 3 was a bit cringeworthy.
Outplayed and well done to the Aussies. Lets hope the remaining games are more of a contest!
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Indeed and I bet a lot worse has been said in the past. England need to hit back hard in the next test. I'm not sure Tremletts little floaty away swing is putting the fear into the Aussies. Hats off to them though, love a good contest.
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This is why Aussies are hated world over. When a captain sets such examples, what can you expect from guys like Warner, Watson etc who are just uncivilized in my opinion. First win the series Mr. Clarke. I hope England comes back strong and shows Australia how to do it humbly...
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We are quick to jump on Clarke for what he said but no-one knows what Anderson said to Bailey and visa versa for Clarke to fire up like that... And England win Humbly? Wake up and smell the roses.
I don't like what Clarke said either but you need the whole picture to make judgement... The English team certainly aren't angels
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We are quick to jump on Clarke for what he said but no-one knows what Anderson said to Bailey and visa versa for Clarke to fire up like that... And England win Humbly? Wake up and smell the roses.
I don't like what Clarke said either but you need the whole picture to make judgement... The English team certainly aren't angels
With the Aussie on this. England are no angels and there is no need for it, especially when winning so easily. However, some of the Aussie 'banter' is well out of line IMO. It's sad I know but amateurs will copy said antics and it's absurd as they neither have the skill or pace to actually back it up ( and mr 80mph, that's you too)
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Question on 'banter', why were the umpires so weak in this match with it and also why is it tolerated and not stamped out? I mean Clarkes/warner and diddle at the end weren't 'part of the game ', that was so far over the line if someone said that to me I'd probably deck them tbh.
Surprised England came out to shake hands too after it
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Question on 'banter', why were the umpires so weak in this match with it and also why is it tolerated and not stamped out? I mean Clarkes/warner and diddle at the end weren't 'part of the game ', that was so far over the line if someone said that to me I'd probably deck them tbh.
Surprised England came out to shake hands too after it
I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Jimmy gives it so much lip when he's bowling that I bet it's a hangover from that.
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I wouldn't be so quick to judge. Jimmy gives it so much lip when he's bowling that I bet it's a hangover from that.
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That's why I said match. I'm sure he does it too And I would like to see them clamp down on any player, not just the Aussies etc. honestly not Aussie bashing here. Just wondering why umpires don't stop it.
I can understand humorous banter and that's a really good thing to keep but when it's abusive/offensive etc then surely they should warn the players etc.
I mean they are in the perfect place in a game to realise who 'gives it the talk' and who just cracks on with playing cricket. If someone gives it then let thm receive. If someone doesn't give any then offer them protection. It's quite simple really
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If flower is smart he will be using Clarkes comments as a method to focus the English minds and give them the kick up the backside they deserve. They look undercooked thanks in no part to the schedule and some of the lollipop served up in the practice games ie AU's A playing with 2 frontline seamers, one of which barely got to 125kph. A far cry from the practice matches 3 years ago. I think aus can whistle next time they come to the UK. They will be lucky to get 3 days in northern Scotland against a club side. That aside England must get better and who knows whether the comments will come back to bite aus. I doubt Anderson will be losing much sleep over it, I'm sure he's heard similar in Burnley.
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We are quick to jump on Clarke for what he said but no-one knows what Anderson said to Bailey and visa versa for Clarke to fire up like that... And England win Humbly? Wake up and smell the roses.
I don't like what Clarke said either but you need the whole picture to make judgement... The English team certainly aren't angels
its not just about Clarke, if you look at Ponting, Steve Waugh etc they were all arrogant and disrespectful. If I am playing my first game and see my captain picking up fight, I will think its cool and develop as another typical Aussie cricket. And as far as I have seen this exists only in cricket. I don't think it exists as much in other sports like hockey. If Clarke is a true leader he would have played the last test match against India and not run away lke a sore loser and abandon the team. His back came to his rescue.
Learn to intimidate with bat and ball like WestIndies did and not with your mouth.
England cricketrs are no saints but I sincerely hope they win
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its not just about Clarke, if you look at Ponting, Steve Waugh etc they were all arrogant and disrespectful. If I am playing my first game and see my captain picking up fight, I will think its cool and develop as another typical Aussie cricket. And as far as I have seen this exists only in cricket. I don't think it exists as much in other sports like hockey. If Clarke is a true leader he would have played the last test match against India and not run away lke a sore loser and abandon the team. His back came to his rescue.
Learn to intimidate with bat and ball like WestIndies did and not with your mouth.
England cricketrs are no saints but I sincerely hope they win
And Clarke hasn't intimidated with the bat?..
Check his average over the last 2 years... Last year he averaged 106 and his average as captain is 66.. Easily the best test batsman over the last 24 months I say.
And averaging 132 from his last 10 tests at home!
It's only the first test England has lost don't be a sore loser just yet... Plenty of tests to turn it around
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I love this myth about West Indies not sledging, they were as savage as anyone.
Anderson was only copping back some of the rubbish he has handed out, you don't see players like Cook give or receive it.
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And Clarke hasn't intimidated with the bat?..
Check his average over the last 2 years... Last year he averaged 106 and his average as captain is 66.. Easily the best test batsman over the last 24 months I say.
And averaging 132 from his last 10 tests at home!
It's only the first test England has lost don't be a sore loser just yet... Plenty of tests to turn it around
I am neither English nor Aussie mate :D, just a cricket fan. I knew you will bring up those averages. :D
but you didn't respond to everything else I had to say.
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I am neither English nor Aussie mate :D, just a cricket fan. I knew you will bring up those averages. :D
but you didn't respond to everything else I had to say.
I don't think it's worth commenting on the rest of it... Every test cricket team has arrogant players who sledge... Pakistan, India, England, Australia, West Indies... All of them... You can't name one team who doesn't have these arrogant sledgers... And most of them can back it up with either bat or ball.... I see the actions of Clarke, Waugh, Ponting, Border actions of captains backing up their players ... Nothing more than any captain would do
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@cricketfreak. Typical, the English fans think the team's poo don,t stink. If you think onfield banter is just an Aussie thing you might as well pack up your unicorn and fly to Hogwarts. What an absolute crock. You lost and now you are venting at Clarke. How about having a go at cook.
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To be fair he did say he isn't English or Australian, just a cricket fan with an opinion
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Either make it legal or illegal but don't winge about what is said because you personally feel offended and I mean from any country not just australia. Except if it's racial.
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I love Clarke, as an Englishman, and he is my favourite batsman in world cricket. He also probably the best captain in world cricket.
HOWEVER
Saying, as a captain, that you are going to break someone's arm is absolutely ridiculous, unacceptable and sets a worrying precedent.
I love the sledging, the banter that comes with the Ashes- it is what makes it what it is, and I understand entirely that this is 6 and half a dozen. We give it out too, that cannot be ignored, and I'm sure similar things were said by our boys.
There is a line in the sand, and unfortunately Clarke has smashed straight through it.
Keep it sharp, within the lines of common sense and play cricket- both England and Australia.
If people cannot see that what he has said is wrong, they need to take a long hard look at themselves.
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Either make it legal or illegal but don't winge about what is said because you personally feel offended and I mean from any country not just australia. Except if it's racial.
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As I said, I am neither English nor Aussie, just a cricket fan... Love to follow the oldest tradition in cricket history - The Ashes. But just feel Aussies cross the line more often than others and should respect the sport more. I follow a lot of team sports, but when Australia is playing cricket, there is lot of action not just between bat and ball but more between individuals. This much of trash talk does not happen even in NFL which is a contact sport :D
As far as Clarke is concerned, he has lot to achieve as a captain before he starts threatening people on field. And its not just Clarke, I also mentioned Ponting, Waugh etc. Being a captain, you should be the last one to bring disrepute to this great sport. Again I love the banter between bowler and batsman, thats what adds spice to the game and makes it fun to watch, but a captain threatening someone is over the line and cheap.
LOt of young kids watching... and i see them sledging in league games etc. looks awful and at times laughable. But thats just me...
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If what he said was illegal then he will be sanctioned. If not stop your complaining and harden up. Even Anderson had a rye smile at the end.
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If what he said was illegal then he will be sanctioned. If not stop your complaining and harden up. Even Anderson had a rye smile at the end.
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This is exactly the attitude that will spoil cricket.
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Or make it better
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If flower is smart he will be using Clarkes comments as a method to focus the English minds and give them the kick up the backside they deserve. They look undercooked thanks in no part to the schedule and some of the lollipop served up in the practice games ie AU's A playing with 2 frontline seamers, one of which barely got to 125kph. A far cry from the practice matches 3 years ago. I think aus can whistle next time they come to the UK. They will be lucky to get 3 days in northern Scotland against a club side. That aside England must get better and who knows whether the comments will come back to bite aus. I doubt Anderson will be losing much sleep over it, I'm sure he's heard similar in Burnley.
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Are you one eyed or simply something worse?
In Cutting (a future test bowler), Copeland (an ex test bowler) and Henriques (past and future test allrounder) the Australians offered up a far better attack than the rubbish served up to the Aussies in England during the warm up matches this last Northern summer.
Go ahead and name the bowling attacks fielded in the Aussie warm up matches...go on...
Dufus.
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Or make it better
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How, in any way, shape or form, will such an attitude be beneficial for the future of cricket at all levels?
How can anyone possible condone Clarke's actions?
That simply was not cricket, but little more than mere hooliganism.
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This is why Aussies are hated world over. When a captain sets such examples, what can you expect from guys like Warner, Watson etc who are just uncivilized in my opinion. First win the series Mr. Clarke. I hope England comes back strong and shows Australia how to do it humbly...
What a self righteous plonker you are.
Anderson (an overrated piece of shyte) gives it in spades. Serves the (No Swearing Please) right.
Are you forgetting that this weed (entirely unprovoked) smashed Clarke across the face with a pad in the dressing room post series in 2007?
Why should Clarke like, much less be civil, to a smarmy (No Swearing Please) like Anderson?
You poms love dishing it out, but you cry like stuck pigs the moment anyone gives it back.
If you are going to give it, learn to cop it.
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How, in any way, shape or form, will such an attitude be beneficial for the future of cricket at all levels?
How can anyone possible condone Clarke's actions?
That simply was not cricket, but little more than mere hooliganism.
Cry me a river bud.
This stuff has been going on since time immemorial...it is only now that the stump mics pick it up.
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To all you self righteous moral guardians crying about what Warner said about Trott...yeah, it was uncool in my eyes to publically embarrass a fellow professional cricketer, but why haven't any of you referenced YOUR VERY OWN CAPTAIN Atherton who said in 1993:
"Steve Waugh is scared of fast bowling, you can see it coming down his leg"
I reckon coming from a CAPTAIN no less, that is far WORSE than Warner's dopey comments...don't you think?
Or is it only morally outrageous when an Aussie says such things?
Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Do you know what Anderson said to Bailey?no, alright then your argument is one sided. As for benefiting the game. I am a pragmatic person and raise my children the same way. It is not beneficial for me to teach my kids that the world is all beer and skittles because it lines them up for a shock in the real world. International cricket is a mental game and if you can't handle sledging then your going to struggle. It also brings out the characters of the game. Remember the 80's and 90's you had lillee, Warne, Chappell bros., Vic, botham. All of these guys put test cricket on the map not because they were soft but because they were hard men. As long as it doesn't degrade to racial, sexual orientation or religious slurs then let it be.
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To all you self righteous moral guardians crying about what Warner said about Trott...yeah, it was uncool in my eyes to publically embarrass a fellow professional cricketer, but why haven't any of you referenced YOUR VERY OWN CAPTAIN Atherton who said in 1993:
I reckon coming from a CAPTAIN no less, that is far WORSE than Warner's dopey comments...don't you think?
Or is it only morally outrageous when an Aussie says such things?
I've had enough of this, I have no desire to have an argument with two angry Australians over the internet at 3am, I have far more productive things to do with my time.
I will say this, however.
A) Warner's comments were, to be honest, the truth. Trott was terrified and he called it as he saw it. Disrespectful or not, that is Warner in a nutshell. I have no problem with that.
B) Clarke just threatened Anderson with breaking his arm. Great comparison between captains there.
C) 'Only morally outrageous when Aussies say such things'? Grow up. Lose the victim mentality, putting words in people's mouths and borderline slander. At what point did anybody suggest that?
and finally, D).
why haven't any of you referenced YOUR VERY OWN CAPTAIN Atherton who said in 1993:
Since when is it considered normal to present a counter-argument to your own beliefs, with evidence, in a debate/argument? Again, also hardly threatening to break an arm, that is just sledging, as was Warner.
Night lads, enjoy your day. [/b]
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Stop acting as though the poms didn't say anything, you could clearly see Anderson saying stuff after every over and the only thing that Trott did in this test match ( apart from being Johnson's you now what ) was sledge.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. That cannot be the justification.
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Cry me a river bud.
This stuff has been going on since time immemorial...it is only now that the stump mics pick it up.
Took the words right out of my mouth Vic. This was just one sledge amongst many during the game that got picked up on the mic - something that normally stays on the field. And now it's getting publicity because it was picked up on the mic. I doubt this type of sledging, from a captain or not, is anything new...
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On the field, it is generally not arms that players are exhorting their bowlers to break, but mostly heads.
As if "crack this idiots skull" hasn't been said a thousand times on a cricket field?
I get stuff like that most weeks when I open the batting.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. That cannot be the justification.
Your right but being biased is unjust.
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I will agree with you on the fact that both the teams have done it. The major issue here is that Clarke got caught by the stump mic. And captains are especially responsible when it comes to the codes of conduct. I guess he will be more careful in the future.
Personally I feel that sledging should be there but it needs to be smart and witty rather than personal abuse.
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Like I said previously. If he brought the game into disrepute he would be sanctioned but has not. The ecb has not made a formal complaint which makes me think there is more to this than meets the eye. I couldn't care less what is said by which team to whoever as I believe sledging is part of cricket at any level,in fact, at times it is bloody funny. I would rather see my children engage in onfield banter than get hit with a ball at 150kmh. no one ever died by getting sledged.
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Ok I think we can all agree to disagree on this one..
Come on one big man hug for everyone......
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Clarke fined for breaking code of conduct.
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On the field, it is generally not arms that players are exhorting their bowlers to break, but mostly heads.
As if "crack this idiots skull" hasn't been said a thousand times on a cricket field?
I get stuff like that most weeks when I open the batting.
Surely not Vic... ;)
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Clarke fined for breaking code of conduct.
If that's true I'll Take back some of my comments.
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It's true
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It's true
Yep. Well then Clarke is a plonker.
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Trott leaves Ashes tour...
guess that's why England camp jumped on Warner's comments. Looks likely trott's got bigger issues than the inability to play short balls.
stress-related illness.
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Moving on, just been announced that Trott is going home due to a stress-related illness, something he has apparently been managing for some time. Poor guy. I had my thoughts at times about his mental state, but the last test has evidently brought it all to a head.
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Yep. Well then Clarke is a plonker.
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You should let your own thoughts and standards be the basis for your comments and conclusions, not a governing body! ;)
As a neutral, I have to say that this was what I was looking forward to. England have the stronger team on paper, so I feel they will rise after this defeat, and we will get to see much more exciting cricket. Australia played really well, and were absolutely ruthless on all days bar day 1. I wish the test dragged onto today though, as I was planning on watching it!
With regards to the sledging, I think Clarke was a little over the top, but let's be honest, when some of us are out on the field, we do feel the red mist creep in, especially towards those who have sledged you in the past. It's all part of the game I feel, and maybe it's the aggression Australia need to have to become anything like the force they used to be in all forms of cricket. That being said, the game was well and truly won, so maybe Clarke could have been a little wiser with the words he used.
Maybe we gotta stop with all the 'Pommie and Aussie' bashing and just enjoy the cricket. We all follow the best sport in the world, let's not make this a nation bashing/stereotyping thread. It's starting to feel like this is the comments section of an India v Pakistan Youtube video!
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You should let your own thoughts and standards be the basis for your comments and conclusions, not a governing body! ;)
As a neutral, I have to say that this was what I was looking forward to. England have the stronger team on paper, so I feel they will rise after this defeat, and we will get to see much more exciting cricket. Australia played really well, and were absolutely ruthless on all days bar day 1. I wish the test dragged onto today though, as I was planning on watching it!
With regards to the sledging, I think Clarke was a little over the top, but let's be honest, when some of us are out on the field, we do feel the red mist creep in, especially towards those who have sledged you in the past. It's all part of the game I feel, and maybe it's the aggression Australia need to have to become anything like the force they used to be in all forms of cricket. That being said, the game was well and truly won, so maybe Clarke could have been a little wiser with the words he used.
Maybe we gotta stop with all the 'Pommie and Aussie' bashing and just enjoy the cricket. We all follow the best sport in the world, let's not make this a nation bashing/stereotyping thread. It's starting to feel like this is the comments section of an India v Pakistan Youtube video!
In that case. You bloody beauty Clarke give it to em. ;D
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And leave the "pommy and Aussie" thing out of this.. We love giving it to the poms and they equally love giving it to us.... :D :D :D... That's what the Ashes are all about!!!
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As if "crack this idiots skull" hasn't been said a thousand times on a cricket field?
I get stuff like that most weeks when I open the batting.
Worse is that it's the umpires in your game saying this, not the oppo. ;)
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And leave the "pommy and Aussie" thing out of this.. We love giving it to the poms and they equally love giving it to us.... :D :D :D... That's what the Ashes are all about!!!
Fair point, I guess neutrals will never be able to fully understand or appreciate that kind of a rivalry haha! :D
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I'm British and although Clarke's comment was proven to be excessive, i don't think any less of him. I do think he's a superb batsman and imaginative captain. He seemed under a lot of pressure in the build up to the game and it was probably a combination of the release of that pressure and also to endear himself to his players and the Aussie public.
it was slightly ott, but is it worth cricket lovers on the forum from both countries falling out over? No. Lets have banter and reasoned debate not abuse. I for one don't enjoy reading it.
re trott, lets hope he's able to get the appropriate treatment. I've had friends affected by mental illness and its an area that needs a great deal of understanding and research...
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So, Bell to bat number three and Bairstow to come in at 5/6.
Will they call up an extra batsman as cover, or just leave those on the A tour?
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Shame for Trott. You have to question why if this has been something he's been dealing with "for some time" why he was sent on tour for a long period of time away from his family. I'm sure Warner's comments will be analysed and jumped on even more now, as much as Mr Warner doesn't seem to be the brightest spark going i'm sure he wouldn't have known about this and shouldn't be made out to be the villain.
One has to fear for Trott's future in international cricket after this, but, to be quite honest i'm sure him (and all cricket fans) would rather he is better and feeling good for himself and his family rather than be playing cricket
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Bell was 3 fir a hit and went back down the order. Will the try this again?
Will they put root at 3. Go for 3 opener logic?
Or even let Pieterson go in at 3?
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So, Bell to bat number three and Bairstow to come in at 5/6.
Will they call up an extra batsman as cover, or just leave those on the A tour?
they have to bring in a recognised batsman. someone with a bit of grit and happy to bat long periods of time undeer pressure. pushing root or bell up is the wrong move and will weaken the lower order. i rate balance but think he needs to be around the set up more, he will get his chance, but at 1-0 down in an ashes series i dont think its the best time. Root doesnt have it mentally atm to bat at 3. hes under pressure not scoring runs for a while. look at the stupid shot he played when we were 5-6 down. absolutely no need to play it. wheres the Digin yorkshire grit?
compton should be on a plane now! simple as that. he should have been there before.
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Shame for Trott. You have to question why if this has been something he's been dealing with "for some time" why he was sent on tour for a long period of time away from his family. I'm sure Warner's comments will be analysed and jumped on even more now, as much as Mr Warner doesn't seem to be the brightest spark going i'm sure he wouldn't have known about this and shouldn't be made out to be the villain.
One has to fear for Trott's future in international cricket after this, but, to be quite honest i'm sure him (and all cricket fans) would rather he is better and feeling good for himself and his family rather than be playing cricket
Took the words right out of my mouth
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KP or Bell at 3 for me. Shame Prior is struggling so much with the bat as he could shift to 6 and Bres (if fit) could bat 7 and give us an extra bowler (and a half decent bat)
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Ordinarily in the form he's in bell should move to 3. I'm sure he's put his name forward.
it would give the middle order some fragility though, especially with prior out of form...
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Not sure why bresnan has been picked in the squad, not played cricket in ages. He's not going to be back bowling at a test match standard after 1 warm up game.
Trott situation seems similar to Tresco. Agreed that he should not have come on tour.
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Are you one eyed or simply something worse?
In Cutting (a future test bowler), Copeland (an ex test bowler) and Henriques (past and future test allrounder) the Australians offered up a far better attack than the rubbish served up to the Aussies in England during the warm up matches this last Northern summer.
Go ahead and name the bowling attacks fielded in the Aussie warm up matches...go on...
Dufus.
Here you go:-
J Overton ,GM Hussain ,CAJ Meschede ,PD Trego ,GH Dockrell,CJ Russell ,CAJ Morris ,GM Andrew ,JD Shantry ,MM Ali,DKH Mitchell,CJ Jordan,LJ Hatchett,MSPanesar ,CJ Liddle,CD Nash ,LWP Wells ,MH Yardy
Not forgetting Compton played for Somerset to bolster the batting. The above are mainly county regulars with a few test players/odi players as well. Considering we have 18 counties not 6 states I don't think it's the worst collection of bowlers out there. Admittedly Worcester, Somerset and Sussex aren't the strongest bowling counties either.
Bollinger, Hilfenhaus, Coulter Nile would of added some lacking edge. Steven O'Keefe in the spin department, Hauritz even. Copeland might of played 3 tests but hardly a regular. Henriques barely bowled. Sky commented on how strange it was and let's face it Tasmania in November isn't guaranteed to go rain free (Englands fault possibly for agreeing to the schedule). Point is it wasn't the second best attack in Australia. When England put out a Lions side it's as close as possible to a shadow test team - JAR Harris,KHD Barker,LE Plunkett,SC Kerrigan,BA Stokes all played in a 2 day game against Australia this summer. I don't think I'm being one eyed at all.
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Nice use of initials there, N Saunders. :)
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I'm British and although Clarke's comment was proven to be excessive, i don't think any less of him. I do think he's a superb batsman and imaginative captain. He seemed under a lot of pressure in the build up to the game and it was probably a combination of the release of that pressure and also to endear himself to his players and the Aussie public.
Don't see a problem with it - Anderson should have turned and given him a smart answer such as "mate, I'm batting 11 and I'm braver against the short ball than you are!"
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Being an Aussie it is fantastic to see how most of you poms handle the loss, but some of you sound like utter lemons. Talking about excessive celebrating and not taking what they dish out.. Take a third person perspective from the past and re assess what you have been saying.
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Trott leaves Ashes tour...
guess that's why England camp jumped on Warner's comments. Looks likely trott's got bigger issues than the inability to play short balls.
stress-related illness.
Seriously...which do you reckon would impact on Trott more?
A mental midget from a council estate like Warner saying "I reckon he was scared"
OR:
A respected former England captain Michael Vaughan saying "they were the two worst innings I have ever seen from an England number 3"
The moral outrage shown about the former comments has been over the top and the deafening silence over the latter comments has been typically Pommy style hypocrisy.
I feel great sadness for Trott, but I doubt that Warner was the tipping edge.
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Don't see a problem with it - Anderson should have turned and given him a smart answer such as "mate, I'm batting 11 and I'm braver against the short ball than you are!"
...and that would have been the perfect response.
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vic
i dont always agree with your comments on here but you are 100 per cent right
look at the huge number of ex players involved with Sky and other broadcasters,everything is magnified far more during an ashes series,the hype is way over the top
Vaughans comments were OTT...,they all ramp up the discussion to fever pitch.
I think the relationship between the England team and the press has been bad for a while,and will turn worse in the future.
constant anyalysis and comment you would think all of the former players never had any technical faults
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Please can we get back to the cricket.
Young men playing in front of 30,000 baying fans are likely to see the red mist.
Moaning about a few verbals is weak enough. I think the players should spend some time looking at the scoreboard.
In the mean time the way this Flower regime works is that Bell will bat at 3, Root will move up to 5 and the new player will come in at 6. We wont move to 5 bowlers as Stokes isn't ready yet and Prior is too out of form.
Bresnen will play in the 4 day game with the performance squad in Queensland this week and not in the tour game. Tremlett's international career is finished and Bress will be back for the second test.
Really not sure who will be coming in at 6 - it would be quite useful to have another experienced player around to fill in for this series, but given that no one has yet been called up, my guess is that Balance will get the nod for the next game.
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Seriously...which do you reckon would impact on Trott more?
A mental midget from a council estate like Warner saying "I reckon he was scared"
OR:
A respected former England captain Michael Vaughan saying "they were the two worst innings I have ever seen from an England number 3"
The moral outrage shown about the former comments has been over the top and the deafening silence over the latter comments has been typically Pommy style hypocrisy.
I feel great sadness for Trott, but I doubt that Warner was the tipping edge.
On ya Vic, i love reading your comments - call it as you see it without being one eyed. Common sense does prevail......
I'm glad that your happy to put these keyboard warriors back into their boxes, where they belong.....
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Please can we get back to the cricket.
Young men playing in front of 30,000 baying fans are likely to see the red mist.
Moaning about a few verbals is weak enough. I think the players should spend some time looking at the scoreboard.
In the mean time the way this Flower regime works is that Bell will bat at 3, Root will move up to 5 and the new player will come in at 6. We wont move to 5 bowlers as Stokes isn't ready yet and Prior is too out of form.
Bresnen will play in the 4 day game with the performance squad in Queensland this week and not in the tour game. Tremlett's international career is finished and Bress will be back for the second test.
Really not sure who will be coming in at 6 - it would be quite useful to have another experienced player around to fill in for this series, but given that no one has yet been called up, my guess is that Balance will get the nod for the next game.
Why not play Bres and Stokes? 2 Allrounders? Do we believe Bairstow or Ballance will do a better job in the short term? Part of the issue was Aus getting after Swann when the 3 seamers were bowled out. Likewise, would Anderson and co have to pace themselves as much if Stokes could give 10-15 overs a day?
Would be very interesting to see how Englands sixth batsman (apart from root) has gone in the last 4 years. Apart from Bairstow making 2 50's against SA at Lords I don't recall many big scores.
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Why not play Bres and Stokes? 2 Allrounders? Do we believe Bairstow or Ballance will do a better job in the short term? Part of the issue was Aus getting after Swann when the 3 seamers were bowled out. Likewise, would Anderson and co have to pace themselves as much if Stokes could give 10-15 overs a day?
Would be very interesting to see how Englands sixth batsman (apart from root) has gone in the last 4 years. Apart from Bairstow making 2 50's against SA at Lords I don't recall many big scores.
Bresnan even in a wheel chair offers more than Chris "Bookaboo" Tremlett does these days.
Ballance has looked awful when he has had to step up...forget him being brought in.
Bairstow will be brought in, because at least he will scrap.
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More fuel for the fire if true
http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/story/692487.html?CMP=chrome (http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/story/692487.html?CMP=chrome)
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Find it odd that the English media always blame lack of warm ups or poor warm up sides for being "undercooked". Not heard a word from other international teams.
Thought lack of warm ups was just how international cricket is now played.
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Bresnan even in a wheel chair offers more than Chris "Bookaboo" Tremlett does these days.
Ballance has looked awful when he has had to step up...forget him being brought in.
Bairstow will be brought in, because at least he will scrap.
for me the squad selection wasnt right. too many untried and untested players. Bairstow i still have no idea how he gets near the england side. Balance looks good but untested and to test someone in an ashes series isnt fair and if failed could give a biased view.
i think they need to draft in some experience. someone whos going to hang around and not worry about not scoring runs for a few overs
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for me the squad selection wasnt right. too many untried and untested players. Bairstow i still have no idea how he gets near the england side. Balance looks good but untested and to test someone in an ashes series isnt fair and if failed could give a biased view.
i think they need to draft in some experience. someone whos going to hang around and not worry about not scoring runs for a few overs
Ballance has scored 5 runs in 2 innings since being here and Stokes has been smashed around the park going for almost 6 an over and scoring about as many runs as Ballance so not sure either of these are going to be played
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Surely Compton will be flown in?
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Surely Compton will be flown in?
That would be beyond this Eng set up (i.e. in their push for improved 1% across 200 different places, they miss the bleeding obvious) - there is more chance of Rob Key being pulled out of the Sky Commentary box...
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More fuel for the fire if true
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/story/692487.html?CMP=chrome[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/story/692487.html?CMP=chrome[/url])
Shane Warne generated story. The key thing is Bailey was tight lipped on the subject and didn't go into what he may of said to Anderson first to generate the comment. I doubt even Anderson would threaten to punch Bailey without some provocation.
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Pah! This is all detracting from a good Aussie win. They'll always sledge, and we know we're going to cop it, so giving a bit back and forth is just the way it is (whether you like it or not - I don't happen to, but it ain't going to stop).
Best thing for England now is to stay out of the press, get into the nets and give a bit back to the Aussies in the field when we're actually competing!
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Surely Compton will be flown in?
That's all we need. Let's crawl at 1 an over for 2 hours before getting out for jack all. Given the highlight of his career was putting NZ to sleep on lifeless decks I would prefer to go left field and get Moeen Ali in. Gives us the option of playing 4 seamers and having a more than handy spinner if required. Fight fire with fire.
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Moeen is not ready. As much as I think he's great, I wouldn't throw him in at this point.
I think Compton is a good shout, at least he won't back down. I expect he has burnt his bridges however.
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Is Bell not the next best suited to bat at 3? His technique is as good as it gets, he played some very dangerous balls excellently, he's got experience and track record and importantly is not likely to get ruffled and make an error of judgement due to it.
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Moeen is not ready. As much as I think he's great, I wouldn't throw him in at this point.
I think Compton is a good shout, at least he won't back down. I expect he has burnt his bridges however.
Compton is very much a like for like replacement for Trott.
Both Saffers who love to graft rather than thrill.
Exactly what is needed at #3 in a series like this.
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Shane Warne generated story. The key thing is Bailey was tight lipped on the subject and didn't go into what he may of said to Anderson first to generate the comment. I doubt even Anderson would threaten to punch Bailey without some provocation.
And how's Andy Flower, the sanctimonious client?
"That's why we draw the line with regard to sledging, because you never know what's happening in another team's dressing room behind closed doors".
Yeah, no problems retard. Threatening to punch George Bailey in the face is obviously well behind that line of moral superiority you've set then?
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In fairness Vic I think flower was referring to comments off field in the media not 'sledging' on the field.
I personally don't like off field media comments like Warner made (or Vaughn for that matter). On field, they're big boys, they'll work it out.
As an Aussie it does appear as though it's only sledging when we do it.
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Let us not suddenly re-write history here, Trott is a serial sledger who made comments about both Warner's and Haddin's mental state during the last series...going as far as to ask Haddin if his daughter would let him play.
He deserved whatever he copped, and he's certainly no martyr.
Having said that, I do sincerely hope he gets through his difficulties as quickly as possible.
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Let us not suddenly re-write history here, Trott is a serial sledger who made comments about both Warner's and Haddin's mental state during the last series...going as far as to ask Haddin if his daughter would let him play.
He deserved whatever he copped, and he's certainly no martyr.
Having said that, I do sincerely hope he gets through his difficulties as quickly as possible.
I think you have taken this topic personally. Any reference or link of what you accused Trott of doing (comments about Haddin's daughter)?
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The response of the Australian players is not yet known but Trott was happy to dish out the verbals to them last summer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10473828/The-Ashes-2013-14-Was-England-batsman-Jonathan-Trott-simply-forced-to-flee-the-scene-of-his-failures-in-Australia.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/theashes/10473828/The-Ashes-2013-14-Was-England-batsman-Jonathan-Trott-simply-forced-to-flee-the-scene-of-his-failures-in-Australia.html)
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Back on track boys... We have all had our chance to put our points of view across and now it's time to talk cricket and not hurl mud at one another
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I think we are being distracted by the sledging. all teams do it in different ways, anyone thinking otherwise is naive.
this eng team is certainly no angel.
more interesting is Gideon Haigh in the times today...
Ponting’s autobiography depart therelative sunniness of most of the story as he articulates thought processes into which he slipped towards the end of his career, feeling one innings from oblivion, struggling to hold doubt at bay. As he says: “I had heard sports psychologists talk about the ‘little voice’ that sits on athletes’ shoulders as they compete. It’s a negative voice, one that says you’re no good, that you can’t win, that’s it not worth it, that you should give up. The great athletes are able to ignore that little voice, or tell it to go away . . . I couldn’t get rid of the little (No Swearing Please) at the end.” At last Ponting told his wife: “I’m not sure I can do this any more. I don’t think I can keep putting myself through it.” It’s easy to imagine the same sentiments in Jonathan Trott’s mouth. Gideon Haigh is a cricket columnist for The Australian
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Honest take on the first test...and from the perspective of a die hard English fan.
http://rightarmover.com/the-gabba-australian-supremacy-and-english-humble-pie/ (http://rightarmover.com/the-gabba-australian-supremacy-and-english-humble-pie/)