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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: RichW on December 09, 2013, 03:49:12 PM
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Hi All,
My Team who play in the northamptonshire cricket leagues are looking for an overseas player for the 2014 season.
Is anyone interested or know of anyone interested or know where to find overseas players from.
We've had an overseas for the last 5/6 seasons but they have always been recommended to us but this year unfortunately we don't have this.
We offer a very attractive package to players who would to come over.
Thanks
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There is an agency that sorts out overseas players, try http://www.cricx.com/ (http://www.cricx.com/)
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an alternative agency our club have used is:
www.cricglobal.com (http://www.cricglobal.com)
would recommend the guys there, very helpful and efficient
alternatively, our old overseas is looking for a club for next year... x Pakistani 1st class player. left hand bat, left arm spinner. level 2 ecb coach.
drop me a message if interested.
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We had a saffa called Josh Bent at my club a couple of years ago and he was superb, I think he's on cricx.com
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Hi All,
My Team who play in the northamptonshire cricket leagues are looking for an overseas player for the 2014 season.
Is anyone interested or know of anyone interested or know where to find overseas players from.
We've had an overseas for the last 5/6 seasons but they have always been recommended to us but this year unfortunately we don't have this.
We offer a very attractive package to players who would to come over.
Thanks
out of interest mate where do you play? Im in the NCL on Saturdays
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Hi All,
My Team who play in the northamptonshire cricket leagues are looking for an overseas player for the 2014 season.
Is anyone interested or know of anyone interested or know where to find overseas players from.
We've had an overseas for the last 5/6 seasons but they have always been recommended to us but this year unfortunately we don't have this.
We offer a very attractive package to players who would to come over.
Thanks
Which club is this ? Irthlingborough by any chance? If so, look up Leon Le Reux. Played for Oundle in 2011 and was bloody brilliant!!
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out of interest mate where do you play? Im in the NCL on Saturdays
I'm playing for East Haddon, how about you?
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Which club is this ? Irthlingborough by any chance? If so, look up Leon Le Reux. Played for Oundle in 2011 and was bloody brilliant!!
That we be great! But were only in Div 2 so not sure he'd be interested!
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I'm playing for East Haddon, how about you?
Kempston Hammers. div 4 atm. struggled for a few years with player numbers etc but used to be div 2-3 a few years ago.
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I'm playing for East Haddon, how about you?
Aah? You had mr Joubert (or something like that) right arm in swing saffa in 2011/2.
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Don't understand why clubs in the lower leagues look to get in overseas player. Use the money to spend on coaching, or putting players through their coaching badges. Chances are, you could get a player of equal quality by throwing 1/4 of the money at a local player. THey only become worthwhile in premier leagues where all the best local players are playing elsewhere for other prem clubs, and won't move. Pay for an overseas, and you'll have to pay for flights, accommodation, find him a job etc. We had an overseas at Perrott last year who was the worst player on the team. We had to pay for his flights from oz, then pay £50 p/w for his accommodation! Whats the point? Was at least £1500 and he took <30 wickets and scored <200 runs. And he was a complete arrogant (No Swearing Please) about it too!
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Don't understand why clubs in the lower leagues look to get in overseas player. Use the money to spend on coaching, or putting players through their coaching badges. Chances are, you could get a player of equal quality by throwing 1/4 of the money at a local player. THey only become worthwhile in premier leagues where all the best local players are playing elsewhere for other prem clubs, and won't move. Pay for an overseas, and you'll have to pay for flights, accommodation, find him a job etc. We had an overseas at Perrott last year who was the worst player on the team. We had to pay for his flights from oz, then pay £50 p/w for his accommodation! Whats the point? Was at least £1500 and he took <30 wickets and scored <200 runs. And he was a complete arrogant (No Swearing Please) about it too!
Sounds like you were unlucky with that! Do the proper research or get a recommendation from a previous overseas/some you know overseas and a decent player coming over can really lift the team and the club. Kids at clubs love to be coached by the overseas 'pro'. I've witnessed good and bad overseas players come over and if you get a real decent one, it can lift the whole club and create a buzz about the place.
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Disagree completely. Never seen one come to a lower league club that adds anything more than a good local club player would! Unless you are hugely lucky and get one that doesn't understand how bad the club is, he will only be as good as the rest. At premier league level, you might be lucky and get one that is better and makes a big difference, and I have seen some incredible ones in the WEPL, but other than that.... spend the money on coaching and long term provision, as opposed to a one season 'fix'
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They're a div 2 side, so not really getting an overseas player to bully lower league bowling and get promoted on the back of 1 player. Once in their top div, chances are they'll be playing against teams with players being paid, so setting themselves up for next year with a overseas this year might help.
Also, you get an overseas that coaches the juniors and runs the senior nets, it can make a huge difference. You might find a few of the senior players more willing to help coach if the pro is doing it with them.
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i agree with Mr Wickets, a decent pro can lift a club and really spur on the youngsters and i speak from personal experience. I dont like cricket, I cant bowl, the ball bounces twice or goes into the net, i just like to bat and that comes from the pros that inspired me as a youngster. Its only the thought of those pros training me that made me turn up to practice as a young kid.
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i agree with Mr Wickets, a decent pro can lift a club and really spur on the youngsters and i speak from personal experience. I dont like cricket, I cant bowl, the ball bounces twice or goes into the net, i just like to bat and that comes from the pros that inspired me as a youngster. Its only the thought of those pros training me that made me turn up to practice as a young kid.
You don't like cricket? That explains an awful lot!
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Kempston Hammers. div 4 atm. struggled for a few years with player numbers etc but used to be div 2-3 a few years ago.
Didn't realize Red Ink was from that part of the world.
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i dont like it in such a way that i know all the players, grounds, fixtures etc but i like to play cricket.
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Div 2 NCL isn't that low a level so assuming a club really feels it needs a short term fix then it's fine. I agree with nick that you can get much better locals for the cash BUT with locals and overseas it all comes down to research and luck. Get the right one (so petrus jefta at Oundle CC) and they can be the difference between finishing second or third or winning the league and gaining that promotion.
There is a massive part of me that hates all this 'paying players' lark, but I also know that some clubs need it as they otherwise couldn't attract the quality they need to survive in their league (or compete to the level they deem they should be). All about winning remember now a days
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Overseas players for a Div 2 team?? Seems a bit of an overkill. I used to think that Overseas players were only obtained by Prem Div teams. Unless, the level of cricket is different across leagues.
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Overseas players for a Div 2 team?? Seems a bit of an overkill. I used to think that Overseas players were only obtained by Prem Div teams. Unless, the level of cricket is different across leagues.
If the div 2 team are looking to go into div 1/prem league anytime soon, by having one this year it will allow then to setup the infrastructure within the club, like the payment, where he stays, what he does during the week, what coaching he does etc. Div 2 is probably the lowest you could attract an overseas for and I think it's a good move for them to do it.
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I think it goes down to a clubs aspirations, but at the end of the day if you start getting an overseas / paid player it can be a slippery slope as you will go up leagues and you team skill wont improve unless you have the team that want to put the work in. like some people said earlier id get a coach have regular sessions and grow the club that way, but it isn't a quick fix.....
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The club I think of when I think about where a overseas can take you is Oundle CC (NCL prem). They were nothing much and then brought in Martin van de merwe and Cameron Wake and both scored 1000+ sat league runs each for 2/3/4 years in a row. Firing them up the leagues. They gained a few players from other clubs over those years and set up youth teams etc etc.
Then they had Leon Le Reux for a season who was 75-80mph but wasn't that good a bowler BUT my god was he good with bat. Not sure on his figures but he was far far too good for Div 1. They didn't win promotion that year as they couldn't bowl teams out so were only drawing. 2012/13 they have petrus jefta , who is a FAST bowler.. Very fast and he took 50+ sat league wickets in 2012 alone.
So IF used right then they enable a club to grow faster than they would normally but they can also raise a club above where they actually should be as well. Of course the locals will say not and claim it's them too but there are a lot of teams who if you removed their overseas would lack confidence, oppos would gain confidence and so would lose more.
Long term and good player coach would be best but winning and level is what most people care about.
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The NCL league is one of the biggest in the country and therefore the standard even in Div 2 is quite strong.
We've been in this league for a couple of years and 90% of the teams have an overseas player. The only teams that don't are the 2nd teams of big clubs whose first team are in the prem.
Even in div 3/4 there are a number of overseas players.
In our experience of the last 5/6 years overseas players have added a huge amount. In cricket terms they have always performed excellent and have really driven and inspired others to perfrom better.
They have also coached the junior and senior teams, worked on the ground, worked behind the bar and managed one or more of the junior teams.
The Junior members of the club also benefit from having an overseas pro many of them are completely in awe of the guys we've had and it really helps to keep them engaged in the game and really allows cricket to offer something different from other sports such as Rugby and Football.
As a club we feel that we get excellent value from overseas players. We don't pay any English players unlike many clubs as they don't provide the added benefits that overseas players and we would rather help support our students to come home from uni to play.
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I guess in the end it all depends on the amount of money clubs have available...if you have the cash to invest, then there is no harm is getting an overseas player...thanks for sharing the views and thought process behind getting an overseas players!
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The NCL league is one of the biggest in the country and therefore the standard even in Div 2 is quite strong.
We've been in this league for a couple of years and 90% of the teams have an overseas player. The only teams that don't are the 2nd teams of big clubs whose first team are in the prem.
Even in div 3/4 there are a number of overseas players.
In our experience of the last 5/6 years overseas players have added a huge amount. In cricket terms they have always performed excellent and have really driven and inspired others to perfrom better.
They have also coached the junior and senior teams, worked on the ground, worked behind the bar and managed one or more of the junior teams.
The Junior members of the club also benefit from having an overseas pro many of them are completely in awe of the guys we've had and it really helps to keep them engaged in the game and really allows cricket to offer something different from other sports such as Rugby and Football.
As a club we feel that we get excellent value from overseas players. We don't pay any English players unlike many clubs as they don't provide the added benefits that overseas players and we would rather help support our students to come home from uni to play.
Speak to someone from Oundle CC, maybe Cameron Wake. They have cracking contacts in SA given their last two overseas. How come Joubert isn't coming back ?
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Hi all,
Just idle curiosity at this stage but does anyone know how the above agencies handle amateur enquiries?
Rules for overseas players in our leagues are very strict (max. 1 non-EU passport holder, any FC level player must be approved by the board etc.). They're also strict on financial incentives and with some reason. The standard of the league is modest but there have been some good pros in the past whose 'take' has led to some clubs suffering later I think. However, even the provision of free accommodation seems to be prohibited. I know that there are ways around this, e.g. paying for coaching (which I believe is a significant proportion of the benefit of an overseas anyway), but if there are commissions involved then that makes it difficult to organise all 'above board'.
As I say, 'blue sky thinking' for now but would be interested in your thoughts
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Alot of leagues try to impose these rules about payment of players, but it's very hard to prove if other clubs accuse you of paying a player directly.
Coaching is one way to pay them, bar work, working on the ground, a sponsor directly paying them etc are all ways around this.
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The club I think of when I think about where a overseas can take you is Oundle CC (NCL prem). They were nothing much and then brought in Martin van de merwe and Cameron Wake and both scored 1000+ sat league runs each for 2/3/4 years in a row. Firing them up the leagues. They gained a few players from other clubs over those years and set up youth teams etc etc.
Then they had Leon Le Reux for a season who was 75-80mph but wasn't that good a bowler BUT my god was he good with bat. Not sure on his figures but he was far far too good for Div 1. They didn't win promotion that year as they couldn't bowl teams out so were only drawing. 2012/13 they have petrus jefta , who is a FAST bowler.. Very fast and he took 50+ sat league wickets in 2012 alone.
So IF used right then they enable a club to grow faster than they would normally but they can also raise a club above where they actually should be as well. Of course the locals will say not and claim it's them too but there are a lot of teams who if you removed their overseas would lack confidence, oppos would gain confidence and so would lose more.
Long term and good player coach would be best but winning and level is what most people care about.
They had Petrus til he decided run through the crease and bowl a deliberate Beamer from 20 yards at someone he didn't like and got a massive ban, 15 games I think.
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They had Petrus til he decided run through the crease and bowl a deliberate Beamer from 20 yards at someone he didn't like and got a massive ban, 15 games I think.
Sounds like a nice chap. Did he hit him?
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Sounds like a nice chap. Did he hit him?
Something similar happened to charlton kings overseas too. Very petty.
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Something similar happened to charlton kings overseas too. Very petty.
Must be a favoured tactic. As an opposition OS did similar, but was a bouncer last ball of the game to our number 11. Did it off 18 yards to scare bat and get extra ball. Umpire was wise to it,didn't call no ball, end of game, draw.
The OS was so pee'd off, it was so funny.
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Want to see your views on this,
Alegded Pakistani U23 WK bat, can't speak a word of English. No coaching.
Club can get him for £3,000 for 12 league games and a few cup games
Is it worth it?
We can get a former Sri Lanka pro, for £5000 for the whole season, coaching for all sections and the piece of mind to know that he has coaching jobs elsewhere at local schools. Fleuent English and grade 3 coaching from ecb. And Ca qualifications.
Club are going for cheap option and getting the young lad from Pakistan what do you think?
I personally feel that we should be getting someone who averaged 73 two leagues above us.
However, would the former Sri Lanka player join an average club?
Any help?
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Want to see your views on this,
Alegded Pakistani U23 WK bat, can't speak a word of English. No coaching.
Club can get him for £3,000 for 12 league games and a few cup games
Is it worth it?
Didn't need to read beyond 'alleged Pakistan u23' to tell you it isn't worth it, but a lack of language/coaching skills and the fact he can't/wont't come for a whole season makes it pointless in my book.
Back to my initial point, I've lost count of the number of players who have approached us over the years who 'played a few games for Pakistan A' or 'went to the U19 World Cup with Pakistan' etc.
If he has played that high a standard he will be all over cricinfo and other such websites. If you can't find anything then he is likely to be your typical chancer. Probably a good player as he will need to have some ability to back up asking for a fee, but don't let the fact that (he claims) he has played international cricket cloud your judgement.
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He has played first class. We were given his stats however from what I've heard it's not very hard to make a first class debut in Pakistan if you have correct backing.
I wanted an Aussie or Saffer as not to be racist the team is half Pakistani, Indian and half white. Problems with this lie in divides between captain and the vice. The vice supports the captain fully but he has a following that only talk through their native language and often ignore captain.. Opens problems in dressing room and previous pro wasn't impressed enough to come back.
Need a real hard ass.
Good point, Jake. It annoys me when this happens as the juniors don't get proper coaching if he comes - whereas If we pick on qualifications then we can get promoted and with winnings invest in an 'international '
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Yes I too have heard that it can be easy to get a game at a decent level if you know or pay the right people.
I guess it depends what his stats are like, however you manage to make it into the team, you still have to be good to do well. A club fairly local to me recruited a player who plays first class in Pakistan, with good stats to back it up. He took 80 odd Saturday wickets and scored about 600 runs, they still didn't win the league though. :o
The language tension sounds bad enough without adding someone who is not going to be able to communicate in English, therefore naturally siding with the group that appear to be going against the captain. I have had this issue both on the sports field and the workplace before and it is very hard to police.
The lack of coaching input from a pro is the biggest downside to this for me.
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It is very worrying. It's about 5 that are sort of anti captain. It worries me as they are beginning to ask for traveling fees and they live within 4 mile radius of club.
I've found it difficult in that changing room at times as has my elder brother whom has got stick from the group for a poor run couple of years ago.
I don't see a point in a hired assassin to come in and score all the runs, take all et wickets. I broke into the first eleven three years ago. I was selected by the captain and therefore became a complaint of the group - until I took a 5 for and out fielded them.
Can I ask how you managed it, Jake?
It's difficult, captain has saved the club from going under and is great for te club but this group is bringing people to the club to help their causes..
Coaching is what we need the most IMO.
I am currently working with former Yorkshire pro and coach john blain, I want him to coach the sides as well as coach me but still play for his club and we still get level 4 coaching!!
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Back to my initial point, I've lost count of the number of players who have approached us over the years who 'played a few games for Pakistan A' or 'went to the U19 World Cup with Pakistan' etc.
Pakistan 'A' - the team with the biggest squad ever! Every Pakistani lad that has spoke to our club wanting some cash seems to have played for them!