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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: ProCricketer1982 on December 15, 2013, 09:14:03 PM
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So, we are talking about normal level cricket (so three leagues below the WEPL prem), what is everyone's thoughts on the average runs for the first wicket?? What's good? What's bad and what's just average??
So the opening avg for me and my partners this season (sat league only) was 37.83 which for my first season isn't bad but I'd like to see what everyone thinks should be the target
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What was the average length of the stand??
I open and I like to be on at least 40/50 at a minimum (from 60 balls) by 20 overs and the team around 90/100 for 0.
That's our aim ..... We rarely do it as my partner is usually out by 10 overs as they lose discipline and start slogging
I'd say 50 is a good average
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What was the average length of the stand??
I open and I like to be on at least 40/50 at a minimum (from 60 balls) by 20 overs and the team around 90/100 for 0.
That's our aim
Not worked it out time wise. It was rare for us as a team not to score 230+ though and quite often were 270 ish. It was rare we weren't on 80 after 20 overs. I have no idea though tbh.
50 avg.. Some work to do to get to that :(
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if your average is 36 and the average length is 10 overs then is it great? Some would say its a good start, some would say its slow, some would say that its losing a wicket to early.
you can compare yourself to the greatest opening partnerships ever, my old batting coach is number 1
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283663.html (http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283663.html)
Highest opening partnership runs in a career Partners Span Inns NO Runs High Ave 100 50
CG Greenidge, DL Haynes (WI) 1978-1991 148 11 6482 298 47.31 16 26
ML Hayden, JL Langer (Aus) 2001-2007 113 4 5655 255 51.88 14 24
AN Cook, AJ Strauss (Eng) 2006-2012 117 2 4711 229 40.96 12 18
MS Atapattu, ST Jayasuriya (SL) 1997-2007 118 7 4469 335 40.26 9 24
G Gambhir, V Sehwag (India) 2004-2012 87 3 4412 233 52.52 11 25
MJ Slater, MA Taylor (Aus) 1993-1999 78 2 3887 260 51.14 10 16
WM Lawry, RB Simpson (Aus) 1961-1968 62 3 3596 382 60.94 9 18
JB Hobbs, H Sutcliffe (Eng) 1924-1930 38 1 3249 283 87.81 15 10
CPS Chauhan, SM Gavaskar (India) 1973-1981 59 3 3010 213 53.75 10 10
HH Gibbs, GC Smith (SA) 2002-2008 56 3 2983 368 56.28 7 10
L Hutton, C Washbrook (Eng) 1946-1951 51 3 2880 359 60.00 8 13
AJ Strauss, ME Trescothick (Eng) 2004-2006 52 1 2670 273 52.35 8 12
MA Atherton, GA Gooch (Eng) 1990-1995 44 0 2501 225 56.84 7 12
ME Trescothick, MP Vaughan (Eng) 2002-2005 54 3 2487 182 48.76 6 15
HH Gibbs, G Kirsten (SA) 1998-2002 51 0 2283 256 44.76 5 11
JB Hobbs, W Rhodes (Eng) 1910-1921 36 1 2146 323 61.31 8 5
Mohsin Khan, Mudassar Nazar (Pak) 1981-1986 54 2 2057 157 39.55 3 16
GR Marsh, MA Taylor (Aus) 1989-1992 47 3 1980 329 45.00 4 9
D Ganga, CH Gayle (WI) 2001-2008 49 2 1954 214 41.57 5 7
MA Atherton, AJ Stewart (Eng) 1994-1998 50 1 1930 171 39.38 6 8
DC Boon, GR Marsh (Aus) 1985-1988 41 1 1871 217 46.77 5 8
EJ Barlow, TL Goddard (SA) 1963-1967 34 2 1806 134 56.43 6 11
AN Petersen, GC Smith (SA) 2010-2013 44 1 1770 153 41.16 4 8
G Boycott, GA Gooch (Eng) 1978-1982 49 3 1754 144 38.13 4 10
AD Gaekwad, SM Gavaskar (India) 1976-1985 49 1 1722 176* 35.87 4 9
G Boycott, JH Edrich (Eng) 1964-1972 35 3 1672 172 52.25 6 8
ND McKenzie, GC Smith (SA) 2008-2009 27 2 1664 415 66.56 5 8
BA Edgar, JG Wright (NZ) 1978-1986 56 4 1655 100 31.82 1 12
AB de Villiers, GC Smith (SA) 2004-2008 30 0 1646 245 54.86 4 6
RC Fredericks, CG Greenidge (WI) 1974-1977 31 2 1593 192 54.93 5 5
Aamer Sohail, Saeed Anwar (Pak) 1994-2000 37 2 1563 128 44.65 4 8
TJ Franklin, JG Wright (NZ) 1988-1991 28 0 1543 185 55.10 5 5
SM Katich, SR Watson (Aus) 2009-2010 28 0 1523 182 54.39 3 10
TM Dilshan, NT Paranavitana (SL) 2009-2012 38 1 1506 207 40.70 2 12
SM Gavaskar, K Srikkanth (India) 1981-1987 34 0 1469 200 43.20 3 9
Mohammad Hafeez, Taufeeq Umar (Pak) 2003-2012 39 2 1438 164 38.86 5 7
Majid Khan, Sadiq Mohammad (Pak) 1974-1978 26 3 1391 147 60.47 4 9
AF Rae, JB Stollmeyer (WI) 1948-1953 21 2 1349 239 71.00 5 3
WM Lawry, KR Stackpole (Aus) 1969-1971 31 2 1302 95* 44.89 0 13
CH Gayle, WW Hinds (WI) 2001-2005 33 0 1300 172 39.39 3 8
MA Atherton, ME Trescothick (Eng) 2000-2001 30 0 1297 159 43.23 4 6
AC Hudson, G Kirsten (SA) 1993-1997 41 2 1289 236 33.05 3 5
EJM Cowan, DA Warner (Aus) 2011-2013 28 0 1256 214 44.85 3 6
CH Gayle, DS Smith (WI) 2003-2010 35 1 1233 139 36.26 4 4
Imrul Kayes, Tamim Iqbal (Ban) 2008-2011 32 0 1229 185 38.40 2 6
RW Barber, G Boycott (Eng) 1964-1966 26 1 1171 234 46.84 2 7
JW Burke, CC McDonald (Aus) 1956-1959 32 3 1151 190 39.68 3 3
DL Haynes, PV Simmons (WI) 1988-1994 33 2 1147 122 37.00 1 8
MA Atherton, MA Butcher (Eng) 1997-2000 32 0 1107 179 34.59 4 0
UC Hathurusingha, RS Mahanama (SL) 1992-1995 32 0 1054 110 32.93 2 4
ML Hayden, MJ Slater (Aus) 1994-2001 25 1 1045 156 43.54 3 4
TL Goddard, DJ McGlew (SA) 1955-1960 27 1 1038 176 39.92 3 2
W Jaffer, V Sehwag (India) 2002-2008 28 0 1031 213 36.82 3 4
WA Brown, JHW Fingleton (Aus) 1935-1938 16 0 1020 233 63.75 3 4
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happy with my estimate of 50 being good!! Seems like you arent far behind atherton and stewart
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Irrespective of standard, 110- 125 in 25 overs is achievable. 70-80 average for first wicket partnership would be ideal. I would consider averaging 45 plus as having a good season.
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70-80 is a bit rough .... only hobbs and sutcliffe are better on that list!
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The reason for 70-80 is that a few wides, byes and nicks past the slip can get you to a 50 partnership, but closer to the 80 mark the opposition starts to lose focus.
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80 would be great but as an average i think its probably asking a little too much.
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70-80!!! Not a chance any normal opening bats at the amateur level avg that.. Not unless they are playing below their level.
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We play 40-50 overs, depending on the team.
I'd say a average stand would be 40-60, a good stand would be 60-90 and 90+ very good.
I normally look at 30 after 10 and 70 after 20 to get 200 (max batting points).
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Coming in a 3 a few times this year, I found that coming in with the score being between 70-90 I played better cricket, coming in from 0-50 then I struggled.
Personally I would like to see the opening pair hitting runs and including the byes, wides etc 70-90 would be a good start, within around 15-20 overs.
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We play 40-50 overs, depending on the team.
I'd say a average stand would be 40-60, a good stand would be 60-90 and 90+ very good.
I normally look at 30 after 10 and 70 after 20 to get 200 (max batting points).
We had various opening stands from 6 to 215 so the full range. Obviously the aim is 80 ish from 20, 120 off 25 and then 150 by 30-33 overs etc
Just asking you guys what you think for mere mortals is a excellent, good, avg, poor, really bad opening stand avg. think about your own sides avg if it helps
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Coming in a 3 a few times this year, I found that coming in with the score being between 70-90 I played better cricket, coming in from 0-50 then I struggled.
Personally I would like to see the opening pair hitting runs and including the byes, wides etc 70-90 would be a good start, within around 15-20 overs.
I'm the other way round when I bat 3. If we're doing well, I usually fail.
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We play 40-50 overs, depending on the team.
I'd say a average stand would be 40-60, a good stand would be 60-90 and 90+ very good.
I normally look at 30 after 10 and 70 after 20 to get 200 (max batting points).
This is more what I had in my head but it seems other teams have higher standards. I always think teams should target 250+ rather than 200 though, just to put the oppos under pressure from the off.
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My opening first wicket average was 39 rounded up last year for our first wicket. Which when you put my league average for last season 48.6 and my partner 29.8 is about right.
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Was this thread started by Alistair Cook??
If so, ALOT more than you are currently scoring! ???
Anything that sees the shine off the new ball so 3 and 4 can come in and do the business is very useful.
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My league avg was only 36.29 so a bit less than the opening stand avg. the two guys I opened with were 32.78 and 28.5
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Just checked the figures for our 1st team (Dorset 1): 574 @ 41. Would imagine that is average or slightly above
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Ours for last year was 24.25 would think if we could average 40 next year that would be good as we only settled on an opening pair about halfway through this season. Having said that we still won our league with that relatively low avg 1st wicket so it's obviously not the be all and end all.
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Definitely agree, a lot of other strategic factors to consider on this topic. For example:
- Are the openers the best batters in the side or are they there to shield guns in the middle order from the new ball?
- Are the openers all or nothing players or consistent starters?
- Is the game plan to exploit fielding restrictions or set a base?
- Do local pitches seam early?
All will define what is expected of the opening partnership. As a rule of thumb, I think anything over 30 for no loss after 10 overs of a 50-over innings is a good start. By that point, factors such as conditions and opposition strength become more clear and the game plan will form/adjust accordingly
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This is more what I had in my head but it seems other teams have higher standards. I always think teams should target 250+ rather than 200 though, just to put the oppos under pressure from the off.
It's all to do with the WITT (wickets in the tent) theory, to balance runs scored without losing wickets.
Sometimes a lower score after 20 overs, but with more wickets left is a better foundation. It's a difficult one to balance.
Agree that 250 would be a better target, but in our league, 200 is often a winning score because of the bowler friendly tracks. It's all relative.
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Those numbers are for test matches!
I would say in league cricket between 40-50 overs then over 30 is ok, over 40 good, and anything over 45 would be very good. Clearly the average overs to get there is important too,
If I was captain though what I would want to see was the average quailty of your performances. Last season our openers where hopeless, they got out cheaply against good opo, and scored slowly aghast the bad ones... I don't care what the average is in this case!
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Those numbers are for test matches!
I would say in league cricket between 40-50 overs then over 30 is ok, over 40 good, and anything over 45 would be very good. Clearly the average overs to get there is important too,
If I was captain though what I would want to see was the average quailty of your performances. Last season our openers where hopeless, they got out cheaply against good opo, and scored slowly aghast the bad ones... I don't care what the average is in this case!
I'd look at more for opening pair, but the question should be whether the openers put you in the position to win/score big? Average isn't the be all and end all.
Sounds like in your case, they didn't.
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I think anywhere between 30-50 is a good average number.
You have to consider the standard and the pitch in assessing a number. If you play 3s on a park pitch with the ball doing everything then 30 is pretty good. If you play 2's on a belter where 250 is par then below 40 might be disappointing. What also happens in reality is you have partnerships of 11,4,75 to get to an average of 30. What I would also be looking at is how many times you crossed 20 for example ie. got a start.
For me it's also about doing a job. ie. if you score 36 off 12 overs and both new ball bowlers are replaced then that might be more useful than being 41-1 off 8 with the opening bowlers tales up. I was captain of a 3rd XI of youngsters a few years back who would score 120-4 in 20 overs or be 60-4 in 15 overs and it's immensely frustrating to have to dig in for the last 20 overs because you've lost too many wickets!. Might be the Boycott in my but grinding out 60-70 in 20 overs or even 100 in 30 consumes far more of the oppo's bowling resources than being 70-2 off 14. Getting a flyer can be pulled back but having your best bowlers virtually bowl out doesn't give you many options. As long as you have the players to kick-on then a steady consistent base is best.