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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Bats_Entertainment on December 21, 2013, 02:21:21 PM
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Linseed oil is. Adam Gilchrist said so on Sky's Big Bash coverage yesterday.
Discuss.
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I raised an eyebrow at that comment too. I guess maybe when you are a pro and getting your bats for free you can afford not to bother with it
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I haven't heard the comment, however, I guess the above is correct. Also, a lot use face sheets, which minimise the requirement for oil.
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To be fair, Murali's bat looked like it had Linseed Oil for the big Christmas Dinner!! Rarely see any bats these days which have that dark oiled look.
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Pro's now don't know how or even need to look after their kit. Something looks tatty just phone up the sponsor.
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When you've got another dozen in the bag to try out. No need to be to precious with each bat ! Just like the Tennis players just take a new one out of the wrapping and start swinging!
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it's a different world isn't it! Then again I think taking the time to prepare a bat is half the fun of it and I actually enjoy it
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There is an argument that oiling detracts from performance.
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There is an argument that oiling detracts from performance.
Julian Millichamp maintains not.
In Aus I'd argue it was essential given the heat drying out untreated wood?
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Then again I think taking the time to prepare a bat is half the fun of it and I actually enjoy it
Me too. You get a feel for the bat by knocking it in, oiling and re-furbishing it yourself
Julian Millichamp maintains not.
In Aus I'd argue it was essential given the heat drying out untreated wood?
Yes oiling is even more essential in a hot climate, I was astounded at how much oil JM uses.
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There is an argument that oiling detracts from performance.
I do find that a bat that has ben treated with Salix's bat wax will perform slightly better (in my perception at least) than one treated with Linseed.
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Julian Millichamp maintains not.
In Aus I'd argue it was essential given the heat drying out untreated wood?
Julian Millichamp WANTS you to oil his bats, because, he does not want sny returns of broken or cracked bats.
Oiling bats makes them rock solid. Crap to use (ping no good), but last many, many years and zero returns = happy bat maker.
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Oiling bats makes them rock solid. Crap to use (ping no good)
Linseed oil acts as a sealant to the wood to prevent moisture. If you oil the bat correctly it will have absolutely no impact on the performance of the bat. It certainly will not make the bat "rock solid". Since when does applying a liquid to something make it solid?
To over oil a bat is pretty hard to do. My experience is that oiling bats that I have had in the past has helped their performance.
Bats need to be sealed. A scuff sheet will reduce performance, but is great for preserving the life of a bat. Whether or not a pro oils their bat is up to them, they aren't paying for them. Most of the bat makers on here will give the bat at least one coat of oil.
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To over oil a bat is pretty hard to do.
I would disagree Buzz, I have been at Salix when people come in with over oiled bats that are dripping literally with oil, Ben and Andrew Kember have both said it is better to have less oil that more as it is so hard to remove the oil after it has been over oiled. Batmakers do put a coat of oil on the bat for definite some multiple but I would think they may stroe the bats in shops etc before being sold and used outside ... maybe it is different to doing a refurb at home?
I certainly feel that "oiling" a new bat rather than bat waxing helps with the knocking in process as it softens the fibres to allow the top to open up and firm up with knocking in. bat wax is more of a sealant to be used once a year id say.... just my thoughts as ever, not wanting to cause a stir !
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I over oiled a bat and it went rock solid. Still went ok but no real ping. I under oil all my bats now. I use salix bat wax and give a bat 1, maybe 2 coats a year. Normally after a refurb. I will stick a sheet on as well which helps prevent moisture loss.
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Oil affects bat performance? Really? Please show me some evidence of this!ha
Some bats seem to need more oil, some I've had in the past, I've not oiled. Depends on the bats moisture content, surely, and where in the world you are etc.
You have to put something on a 'natural' product to protect it,,if you want it to last
Scuff sheets, gotta be honest, I'm not a big fan, but hey ho. Keeps the plastics industry in jobs I suppose
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I do find that a bat that has ben treated with Salix's bat wax will perform slightly better (in my perception at least) than one treated with Linseed.
You must have very perceptive senses to ascertain the difference. What benefits have you found?
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I over oiled a bat and it went rock solid. Still went ok but no real ping. I under oil all my bats now. I use salix bat wax and give a bat 1, maybe 2 coats a year. Normally after a refurb. I will stick a sheet on as well which helps prevent moisture loss.
I recall my father showing me his first bat. An old GM which looked like David Dickinson. It was like a brick. No ping, but perfectly preserved.
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A lad at our club had an awesome puma. Refurbed it, then used a full bottle of oil on it.
It was so dead after.
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Ok so as someone who refurbs his bats every winter, involves light sanding, oiling I am not sure I agree that oiling a bat kills the ping. I have noticed that when I do oil the bat (used ones) I have to knock it a little bit again and its back to its usual pingy self but that came from what I understood about how linseed oil works, which is, oil seeps into the fibers and then cures to create a vapour barrier so if something cures I am assuming it also hardens a little bit as well hence the second knocking in process.
Can you over oil a bat? yes, especially anything with HW. I find HW does not absorb oil as quickly as sapwood, also might not need as much.
Anyways, I oil my bats and I don't think it has a positive or negative impact on how a bat pings, atleast not on mine that i could tell. Bats do feel a little better to knock after oiling etc but thats it, plus i like the look of an oiled bat better than un-oiled bat.
One main difference between oiling a new bat vs refurbing an old bat is I use 3 coats of oil on a new bat over 3-24 hr periods where old bats get only 1 coat and sometimes none depending on how dry they look...
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I opened that bottle just over a year ago. I knock in on average probably around 10-15 bats a week, some parts of the year i will have a LOT more than that to do, other times i'll have less.
But my point is, that is the oil i have used in this 13 month period. Some bats need a little oil, some need more oil. No bat needs a lot of oil.
Anyone suggesting it deadens the bat has probably used too much.
The average person, even the average CBF-er probably only needs one bottle of oil for life. I do warn everyone who purchases oil that they do not need to use very much. But i guess some see a big bottle and assume they need a few big glugs per bat.
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The increase in popularity of the scuff sheet has meant oil is less essential.
Oils major use is to act as a barrier, preventing moisture loss. A scuff sheet does a very similar job.
I feel oil is also useful to soften the fibres of a bat during knocking in. Does oil actually add moisture to a bat? My feeling is no because it cures, and if you look at Julian Millichamps videos you will see it does not penetrate very deep.
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I'm so torn about the whole oiling issue. Personally, I always oil my bats, lightly and frequently, and enjoy doing so. My bats perform beautifully and get better year after year.
But I have now heard from several respectable sources to not oil the face (back is ok.)
Even JM seems to have changed his view on oiling. He says in one of his later videos that he prefers a scuff sheet + unoiled face.
:o
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Oil affects bat performance? Really? Please show me some evidence of this!ha
Some bats seem to need more oil, some I've had in the past, I've not oiled. Depends on the bats moisture content, surely, and where in the world you are etc.
You have to put something on a 'natural' product to protect it,,if you want it to last
Scuff sheets, gotta be honest, I'm not a big fan, but hey ho. Keeps the plastics industry in jobs I suppose
That's the thing isnt it, cant really quantify. Unlike golf clubs where I can physically quantify performance of one versus another for me.
Surely though, if oil improved performance, then pros would most certainly be applying it?
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I opened that bottle just over a year ago. I knock in on average probably around 10-15 bats a week, some parts of the year i will have a LOT more than that to do, other times i'll have less.
But my point is, that is the oil i have used in this 13 month period. Some bats need a little oil, some need more oil. No bat needs a lot of oil.
Anyone suggesting it deadens the bat has probably used too much.
The average person, even the average CBF-er probably only needs one bottle of oil for life. I do warn everyone who purchases oil that they do not need to use very much. But i guess some see a big bottle and assume they need a few big glugs per bat.
This! I'd used about a quarter of a bottle since 2006, this includes refurbing other peoples bats, doing all my own and making an experimental batch of bat wax.
I leant it to a clubmate to oil his refurbed Newbury Tour, he gave it back with a dribble left in the bottom and said "It was really dry after sanding so I did 4 light coats instead of the 1 or 2 you suggested."
He obviously doesn't get the idea of a light coat! (And the said Tour isn't going to be used this season for some reason...)
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My bottle of linseed oil is now over ten years old..... I think it has practically cured in the bottle, and i'm finally into the last third, in spite of being on the forum for four or so years....
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