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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Gingerbusiness on December 22, 2013, 10:45:16 AM
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Hi all,
I brought this bat off a well known Asian bat retailer (name removed by GB). I didn't notice the damage - it took someone else to actually spot it about six weeks later. There is a hairline crack through the splice and down the face of the bat. Pictures below. My opinion is, one bat strike, one poor ball, and the bat is literally snapping.
Now, the retailer isn't responding - but I know he is because a club mate is speaking to him about buying a SS Ton Players, just not to me. I have emailed GM and they aren't being very helpful as they are not the sales end in this case and I am not sure this can be fixed adequately due to where the crack is.
Opinions are VERY welcome!
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That's rotten luck mate, is there any way of telling how deep this runs down the bat?
I'd be tempted to wack a couple of (or even three) thin dowels in at an angle, one by the shoulder, one where the crack ends and one between the two. I might be talking rubbish but it'd be better than nothing I guess. Would seem a shame to take a drill to a brand new bat though :(
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He's viewing the topic right now so knows your trying to get ahold of him!
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dodgy character selling you that. Maybe ask your friend to mention it in his emails?
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He's viewing the topic right now so knows your trying to get ahold of him!
Haha that's funny...
Tough luck mate with the bat. Hopefully the batmakers have some trick to fix it - saw the H4L Devil post the other day...they were also not providing any guarantee for such damage ...must be hard to fix.
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I would imagine so. The retailer has just replied.
Unfortunately, as many of you know, I buy ALOT of bats and this was brought and put aside. When it finally got looked at, you can see the crack is not obvious unless you really look closely. I am a bit of an idiot.
As long as it get fixed in a way which I can use it (because that looks knackered to me!) ill be happy.
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unlucky mate with the bat, surely the bat have a warranty from GM?
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Hi, It is Nick here..just to be clear the bat was not sent in this condition for sure as I would have noticed this sort of damage before sending it out, I would never send a bat in this condition to anyone. The bat was sold in October to you. So I think this damage has happened since it has been with you.
I replied to you this morning. I find this strange that your CustomBat Forum name is Gingerbusiness..this is the same account on e-bay that you have been e-mailing me about the SS Bat, however you got this bat using your PJHCricket (Phil) e-bay account, so is this the same person.
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I have popped an email over to GM so will see what they say.
Cheers guys!
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do the honest thing, give him his cash back and take the bat back.
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do the honest thing, give him his cash back and take the bat back.
How do you know that is the honest thing?
How do you know it wasnt GB damaging the bat accidentally and trying to con 'batman'?
Talk about the bat and crack, but not about the deal/purchase. Nothing to do with us, that.
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Dear Retailer,
I do not use the Gingerbusiness account anymore. It is used by my mate Pete as he doesn't have one. I use the PjHcricket account. That is where all my bats are sold. I did advise Pete to buy from you but understandable that you might think that way (it has confused a few people here). I will make sure that he doesn't bother you anymore and ill shut it down for continuity.
I am not accusing you of doing anything dodgy whatsoever and I am not pointing fingers and saying that you knew it was broken. However, the bat is broken and in buying bats this way, I have no legal comeback as the seller will always say it wasn't like that when he sent it and visa versa.
Ultimately, If we could keep this conversation private though, I would appreciate it - this thread was to ask the good forum members here if they think it is dead or not, not to get into an argument about refunds etc.
If I haven't made this clear to everyone, I do not blaming 'the retailer' for knowing about this prior to selling. the crack is hairline and unless you have lots of time to have a look, you wouldn't have noticed it. I just want to know if the bat is dead or not in their opinion. Simple as that.
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How do you know that is the honest thing?
How do you know it wasnt GB damaging the bat accidentally and trying to con 'batman'?
Talk about the bat and crack, but not about the deal/purchase. Nothing to do with us, that.
I completely agree with you joeljonno and that's why I would not bring this argument here. I am looking for a democratic solution - not an argument or bad blood.
Everyone, please do not turn this into a witch hunt against bat sellers, as being one myself, it is not constructive nor helpful. Please only comment on the damage, not the case. Thanks all.
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How do you know that is the honest thing?
How do you know it wasnt GB damaging the bat accidentally and trying to con 'batman'?
Talk about the bat and crack, but not about the deal/purchase. Nothing to do with us, that.
he sold him a bat with a 6 inch crack on the face. If you bought a bat from anyone in this state would you not want a refund???
if Batman didnt see the crack and bought it direct from GM then Batman should take the bat back give him his money back and then BATMAN should sort it with GM.
Or maybe im just a little too honest/kind/naive???
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Nick.
I do not use the Gingerbusiness account anymore. It is used by my mate Pete as he doesn't have one. I use the PjHcricket account. That is where all my bats are sold. I did advise Pete to buy from you but understandable that you might think that way (it has confused a few people here). I will make sure that he doesn't bother you anymore and ill shut it down for continuity.
I am not accusing you of doing anything dodgy whatsoever and I am not pointing fingers and saying that you knew it was broken. However, the bat is broken and in buying bats this way, I have no legal comeback as the seller will always say it wasn't like that when he sent it and visa versa.
Ultimately, If we could keep this conversation private though nick, I would appreciate it - this thread was to ask the good forum members here if they think it is dead or not, not to get into an argument about refunds etc.
If I haven't made this clear to everyone, I do not blaming Nick for knowing about this prior to selling. the crack is hairline and unless you have lots of time to have a look, you wouldn't have noticed it. I just want to know if the bat is dead or not in their opinion. Simple as that.
Decent response that mate.
And I've changed my mind about the bat, it's dead as a dodo, sent it to me and I'll ensure it's correctly disposed of mate ;)
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ps its knackered
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Ultimately, If we could keep this conversation private though nick, I would appreciate it - this thread was to ask the good forum members here if they think it is dead or not, not to get into an argument about refunds etc.
Bad move to bring seller's name if you only wanted advice from the batmakers here.
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I had this problem with my GM bat, sent it back to GM even though most people I knew were saying it couldn't be mended, GM fixed it and it seemed to go fine after that but the crack opened up a little bit after so I sold it to a mate who thought he could fix it. and they haven't had any problems with it since. But i brought it directly from GM so that's why they repaired it, where as you didn't so they might not repair it.
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Decent response that mate.
And I've changed my mind about the bat, it's dead as a dodo, sent it to me and I'll ensure it's correctly disposed of mate ;)
I bet you would! :D
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Bad move to bring seller's name if you only wanted advice from the batmakers here.
I have redacted the name of the 'retailer' - I advise everyone to do the same.
Thankyou for the advice mate.
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I have redacted the name of the 'retailer' - I advise everyone to do the same.
Thankyou for the advice mate.
In the same way you did this, you should advise your team mate to change the eBay name to minimise confusion and stop the suspicion of using multiple accounts.
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Dear Retailer,
I do not use the Gingerbusiness account anymore. It is used by my mate Pete as he doesn't have one. I use the PjHcricket account. That is where all my bats are sold. I did advise Pete to buy from you but understandable that you might think that way (it has confused a few people here). I will make sure that he doesn't bother you anymore and ill shut it down for continuity.
I am not accusing you of doing anything dodgy whatsoever and I am not pointing fingers and saying that you knew it was broken. However, the bat is broken and in buying bats this way, I have no legal comeback as the seller will always say it wasn't like that when he sent it and visa versa.
Ultimately, If we could keep this conversation private though, I would appreciate it - this thread was to ask the good forum members here if they think it is dead or not, not to get into an argument about refunds etc.
If I haven't made this clear to everyone, I do not blaming 'the retailer' for knowing about this prior to selling. the crack is hairline and unless you have lots of time to have a look, you wouldn't have noticed it. I just want to know if the bat is dead or not in their opinion. Simple as that.
if you wanted to keep the conversation "private" I think posting it on a forum is probably the wrong thing to do. Regardless of who is at fault the seller's integrity will always be called into question and IMO that's quite unfair.
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To begin with mate the bats f**ked, no point practicing/getting used to a new bat that could go any minute. I'm sorry to say.
On a separate point I had an Kook Ice Sub Zero a few seasons back, used it for a season and the toe went, emailed Kookaburra explaining how for the price I paid I should get more than a seasons use (worth a shot!?). They said take it back to the shop I bought it from (romida) and they will liaise with them and see what they can do. Two weeks later I had a new one, which turned out to be a cracking bat. May have just been a one off but I'll do it again if it happens. It is down to the manufacturer and the retailer to provide good after sale service. (in my opinion anyway((not that it matters :-[ )))
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I have no axe to grind with either the buyer or the seller in this case. I am merely asking for forum member's opinion in this case. the bat is clearly made by GM or their batmakers, however where do we think the bat was made ad also what grade of willow and of what country of origin was the willow used to make this bat.
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The bat is Indian made under license. GM sell these bats in the subcontinent only.
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Thank you I thought that was the case but i just wanted it confirmed from 1 of the more experienced members of the forum. As it is made under licence do we know the country of origin of the Willow used to make this bat please?
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They are English willow, the grade is up for debate (there is another topic about one of these bats somewhere) as the ebay seller removed the grade sticker. My opinion on that is you would only do so to upsell something.
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I wouldn't disagree with your thinking on the subject. Obviously the sale would have been taking place on a forum such as ebay in the case of the other thread where the sticker had been removed. Thank you for your help in answering my questions.
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If this bat is made in India for Indian market would GM UK be responsible for replacing it? I think in this case the responsibility lies with the retailer and that may be why there are issues as this will put the retailer out of pocket but thats the risk you take when you are selling in a market not intended for the product...my 2 cents...i think this should be replaced as the retailer is still tied to UK selling laws (if they apply/what is the duration for this)
It is very likely the that bat was not damaged either when it left the retailer or by GB but as far as I can tell there is no gurantee that it will last, had a similar crack on my original RPC that was repaired and the bat is still going strong but other ones with that kind of a damage only made it as far as a couple more nets...
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I had a bat that I bought off an aussie who said he had it made personally for him by Stuart Kranzbuhler. Not sure about the authentic nature of this claim but the bat has been an absolute gun i have had it probably 3 years. I noticed half way through last season that a crack had appeared in a similiar place on it. However I decided to just bash away with it and it is still alive dont know how long it will remain that way but its still going at the minute.
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personally I side with the retailer here. if the buyer doesn't check over the bat for 6 months how is a retailer responsible? the retailer doesn't know how the bay has been used sand stored.
next we have to look at the ethics behind whether it is right to import bats like this and the idea that buying a bat like this is a bargain, when it isn't designed for the uk market.
all in all moaning about it on here is going to get little sympathy from me.