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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Ashes 2013/2014 => Topic started by: countycricketplayer on December 29, 2013, 03:24:37 PM
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What are your thoughts
Do you reckon England will win one ? Or will it be a whitewash ?
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What are your thoughts
Do you reckon England will win one ? Or will it be a whitewash ?
Whitewash? Nah, pinkwash, quite possibly.
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Sydney
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The only pink we'll be seeing in this test will be the colour of England's arses when they get spanked again!!
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5-0 Australia at the end of this one, can't see anything going for England this tour
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Who thinks Prior will be back? Wasn't that impressed with Bairstow with the bat or gloves.
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Well, the good news is the England head in to this test unbeaten this calendar year (for those in Australia).
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Can't see them bringing prior back tbh. I agree Bairstow's batting wasn't great (though no worse than Prior's), but didn't really see anything wrong with his keeping. 6 catches, generally solid glovework, aside from day 5, when the whole side had a 'mare in the field. I think he acquitted himself pretty well.
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Word on the street is that Ballance and Borthwick are in for Carberry and Panesar.
So Root to push up and open then.
Cook
Root
Bell
KP
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Borthwick
Bresnan
Broad
Anderson
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Poor old Root gets pushed around again then.
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Do feel for root. Still if they settle on him opening for a few series then that's good
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Word on the street is that Ballance and Borthwick are in for Carberry and Panesar.
So Root to push up and open then.
Cook
Root
Bell
KP
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Borthwick
Bresnan
Broad
Anderson
I understand Finn's confidence / Rythm is shot & Tremletts pace has gone so will be packed off back to Surrey but did Rankin leave Andy Flowers case at the airport or something?! Bresnan has never let England down but we're playing in Aussie conditions not headingley in May! Please a tall 90mph bowler please!
Rankin had a decent ODI series back in blighty so surely must be worth a punt or why bother taking him. Surely if Borthwick is going to play he can bat at 8.
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Carbs hasn't done brilliantly but he hasn't been the worst batsman. The only time I have seen Ballance bat was against the Irish in an ODI and I am sure he didn't trouble the scorer at all in that game. Someone correct me if my memory is playing tricks but I am sure he got a big fat zero against Trent Johnson and hes not quite the same bowler as Mitchell Johnson.
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Apologies he nicked off to Murtagh. Johnson got Carbs.
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Xavier Doherty got Pieterson out a while ago so he shouldn't be judged by who has got him out. He's been picked for his county performances against decent attacks. We can judge him like Compton and Carberry before him, against a test attack. It cant be easy to come in for one test as the selectors might have a different direction in the summer. Hopefully he does well and he's had runs with the EPP so that's a bonus.
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Wasn't meant to be disparaging against the Irish Attack just commenting the only time I have seen him bat was in that match and i think he only lasted 3 balls. Not so sure that Carbs should be the scapegoat, neither do I think Compton received the fairest of treatment from the England Management. I think Compton may have been the victim of speaking his mind to the England management rather than towing the party line that has led to us staring down the barrel of a 5-0 embarrassing drubbing in Oz at the moment.
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Bumble thinks ballance, borthwick and Rankin on twitter.
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Bumble thinks ballance, borthwick and Rankin on twitter.
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Hold on... Bumble 'Thinks'... That can't be right! He never thinks! :D
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I presume he means for Carbs monty and bresnam or does he think Anderson is going to be rested.
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Even bresnan apologies touchscreen mistake.
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I presume he means for Carbs monty and bresnam or does he think Anderson is going to be rested.
Unless England WANT to lose 5-0, you do not rest Anderson. End of.
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Unless England WANT to lose 5-0, you do not rest Anderson. End of.
Surely there is no point resting someone who isn't playing in the one-dayers. You may as well get one last push out of them.
Perhaps resting Broad? He'll be playing them, won't he?
I really like Bresnan, he gives a lot of work, but maybe, just maybe, we need to hit them hard for once.
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I agree with you about Anderson but I am sure I heard Bumble mumbling on about him being in need of a rest. I was merely trying to confirm who b
Bumble was suggesting would be left out for 'The Big Boyd.'
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Unless England WANT to lose 5-0, you do not rest Anderson. End of.
He's not been particularly effective on this tour. There's a strong chance it'll be 5-0 even with Anderson playing the final test. With the series standing the way it is, there's nothing to lose by England resting established, senior players. NO ONE has performed to the point they are indispensable, least of all the bowling attack.
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The hype around a very ordinary leg spinner(Borthwick) is extraordinary.
Borthwick averages less than 2 wickets per match in first class cricket.
Bits and pieces cricketers don't get it done at the highest level.
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Is it tonight? ???
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Agree with you about Borthwick at the moment, having said that Paul Harris and some of your spinners haven't exactly been wicket taking machines, but then again with your boys quicks you haven't really had to rely on your spinners Gerry.
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The hype around a very ordinary leg spinner(Borthwick) is extraordinary.
Borthwick averages less than 2 wickets per match in first class cricket.
Bits and pieces cricketers don't get it done at the highest level.
When the other "alternatives" currently are Panesar and Tredwell, you should see the point. At least Borthwick is young and can bat a bit.
I guess until you have tried them, you cannot say whether they will be that good or not.
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Or if not those, Stuart Meaker, Tymal Mills or Jamie Overton
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Agree with you about Borthwick at the moment, having said that Paul Harris and some of your spinners haven't exactly been wicket taking machines, but then again with your boys quicks you haven't really had to rely on your spinners Gerry.
Yeah we had the luxury of Steyn, philander and Morkel plus Kallis and a spinner.
But there are a couple of very promising young spinners coming through. Maybe 18-24 months away from international cricket.
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Or if not those, Stuart Meaker, Tymal Mills or Jamie Overton
Meaker could be worth a look at.
Mills is no more than another Tino Best at this stage. Fast but no control.
Overton looks a decent prospect.
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Yeah we had the luxury of Steyn, philander and Morkel plus Kallis and a spinner.
But there are a couple of very promising young spinners coming through. Maybe 18-24 months away from international cricket.
Which very promising spinners are coming through?
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There were also a couple of chaps called Donald and Pollock as well mate.Not wanting to forget those 2.
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Meaker could be worth a look at.
Mills is no more than another Tino Best at this stage. Fast but no control.
Overton looks a decent prospect.
If Meaker had a brain cell...
I think Topley should be seriously considered.
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Which very promising spinners are coming through?
Firdose Moonda put forward Leie and Harmer in a review of the two tests yesterday.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/46149.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/46149.html)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/432960.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/432960.html)
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Borthwick figures are hindered by playing at Durham, hardly a ground for a budding leg spinner to play at. I wouldn't read much into them.
Saw an interesting article in the telegraph from the guy who did the 2006/7 review. He didnt think it required a review this time around and in a nutshell he said it was a mistake to play back to back series and it could of only benefited Australia with the second series at home. He also felt england peaked 2 years ago and the english summer series had taken too much out of them.
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Firdose Moonda put forward Leie and Harmer in a review of the two tests yesterday.
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/46149.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/46149.html[/url])
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/432960.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/player/432960.html[/url])
I heard Keshav Maharaj is a prospect too.
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Keep to the topic please!
I thought that he was talking about English spinners, but I should have known better!!
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Borthwick figures are hindered by playing at Durham, hardly a ground for a budding leg spinner to play at. I wouldn't read much into them.
Saw an interesting article in the telegraph from the guy who did the 2006/7 review. In a nutshell he said it was a mistake to play back to back series and it could of only benefited Australia with the second series at home. He also felt england peaked 2 years ago and the english summer series had taken too much out of them.
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My worry with Borthwick is Cook (and English captains in general) not having a Bally clue on how to skipper leg spin. What's the point in playing one and instantly setting defensive fields and getting twitchy if, as is their nature, they get tap?
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Borthwick figures are hindered by playing at Durham, hardly a ground for a budding leg spinner to play at. I wouldn't read much into them.
Saw an interesting article in the telegraph from the guy who did the 2006/7 review. He didnt think it required a review this time around and in a nutshell he said it was a mistake to play back to back series and it could of only benefited Australia with the second series at home. He also felt england peaked 2 years ago and the english summer series had taken too much out of them.
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Sounds to me like someone grasping at straws using any excuse necessary to justify losing. Instead of just admitting this time around Australia were the better team
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My worry with Borthwick is Cook (and English captains in general) not having a Bally clue on how to skipper leg spin. What's the point in playing one and instantly setting defensive fields and getting twitchy if, as is their nature, they get tap?
Cook doesn't have a clue how to skipper a marbles match at the moment
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Keep to the topic please!
I thought that he was talking about English spinners, but I should have known better!!
Cripes, given the trolling on here sometimes I wouldn't have thought that was hardly the biggest deviation from the discussion.
Sometimes I do wonder.
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Cook doesn't have a clue how to skipper a marbles match at the moment
Well, they do come in different colours...
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Don't think he wasn't saying Australia weren't the better team, but merely highlighting the same kind of panic wasn't needed as in 06/07. Then again he might be covering his own are lol
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I think that is the problem petehosk unfortunately there aren't many English spinners we can talk about mate at the current time mate.
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Is Borthwick really any better than Kerrigan?
I doubt it, poor kid Kerrigan got the yips and was cast aside.
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Pink Test
I always saw this as a bit of a gimmick, a one-off. I never thought it would be a repetitive event. Seems to do a lot of good for the McGrath Foundation, which is good.
Do you think there will be one in England one day?
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Keep to the topic please!
I thought that he was talking about English spinners, but I should have known better!!
Apologies.
Lets be honest, apart from Swann and Panesar, Rashid, Kerrigan, Tredwell, Borthwick, Briggs... Best of a very average bunch - I could pick out technical issues with each of their actions (Mainly in the follow-through and lack of over and side spin).
People like Middlebrook, Rayner, Yardy etc Just bowl darts and should be considered medium pace bowlers.
England were lucky with Swann, they disguarded him YEARS before he was recalled, and that was only because they were stuck after Giles.
Spin bowling is an after thought in England. Apart from Ahmed and Jenner, name me one another first rate spin bowling coach? Youd have to think hard, where as fast bowling coaches, batting coaches... Loads!
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Keep to the topic please!
I thought that he was talking about English spinners, but I should have known better!!
Harsh call
Cripes, given the trolling on here sometimes I wouldn't have thought that was hardly the biggest deviation from the discussion.
Sometimes I do wonder.
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Is Borthwick really any better than Kerrigan?
I doubt it, poor kid Kerrigan got the yips and was cast aside.
He can bat and doesn't bowl moon balls...
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Pink Test
I always saw this as a bit of a gimmick, a one-off. I never thought it would be a repetitive event. Seems to do a lot of good for the McGrath Foundation, which is good.
Do you think there will be one in England one day?
After 5 years I would think it would be seen as more than a "gimmick" after raising about $12mill and the government donating $18.5mill
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He can bat and doesn't bowl moon balls...
Spinners first job is to take wickets, yes Kerrigan hasn't yet got a Test wicket, batting is a bonus.
You don't pick a bits and pieces cricketer unless it's desperation
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Spinners first job is to take wickets, yes Kerrigan hasn't yet got a Test wicket, batting is a bonus.
You don't pick a bits and pieces cricketer unless it's desperation
Can't a spinner be classed as an allrounder?
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After 5 years I would think it would be seen as more than a "gimmick" after raising about $12mill and the government donating $18.5mill
Not knocking it, just personally thought it wouldn't take off as much as it has. I am glad it has, does some good stuff.
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Anything that saves lives and adds to research is good!
Plus allows everyone to get in touch with their feminine side! ;)
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Anything that saves lives and adds to research is good!
Plus allows everyone to get in touch with their feminine side! ;)
I touch my feminine side all the time ;)
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Spinners first job is to take wickets, yes Kerrigan hasn't yet got a Test wicket, batting is a bonus.
You don't pick a bits and pieces cricketer unless it's desperation
He ain't bits and pieces – more a rough diamond. I'd rather him than Kerrigan, whose action fell to pieces or Monty who I would wager still has off field issues affecting his cricket. I mean, the darts are at Lakeside if he's interested.
I stick to my point though, I'm more worried about the captaincy rather than his ability as a leg spinner.
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Let's do it for out country our pride.
All I know is the best players are the players with the shirt even if I do not rate them we need to back them I hope they do well all of them new ones and old ones
Love the pink test hope they raise as much as ever and England win
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Panesar strained calf at training. Hmmmm yeah right. Sorry Monty you are dropped
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Although just saw on twitter Monty is bowling in the nets so wouldn't surprise me if they picked him
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Pink Test
I always saw this as a bit of a gimmick, a one-off. I never thought it would be a repetitive event. Seems to do a lot of good for the McGrath Foundation, which is good.
Do you think there will be one in England one day?
Wasn't one test this summer a "blue test" where England wore different caps or shirts to support a charity?
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just read the pre match report on cricinfo and they think rankin will be in instead of bresnan, borthwick instead of monty and ballance instead of carberry ( root opening and ballance slotting in at 6) I really do hope that the report is incorrect. Whilst carberry hasnt scored a huge amount hes looked solid and has regularly scored. out of the 2 roots been the one whos been average. with the exception of one innings he hasnt been great. they are obviously desperate to prove the golden boy is the right choice. does this make carberry the new compton?
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No. I don't think Carberry is the new Compton because Compton didn't deserve to be dropped.
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No. I don't think Carberry is the new Compton because Compton didn't deserve to be dropped.
does carberry though?
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The only pink we'll be seeing in this test will be the colour of England's arses when they get spanked again!!
It's called the pink Test because (for the McGrath Foundation, which I hope you've heard of) the entire SCG crowd on Day 3 turns up in pink to support breast cancer research.
From where I'm standing, you sound rather ignorant with that comment.
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It's called the pink Test because (for the McGrath Foundation, which I hope you've heard of) the entire SCG crowd on Day 3 turns up in pink to support breast cancer research.
From where I'm standing, you sound rather ignorant with that comment.
Daneel, we (and Fattus) know why it's called the Pink test - it's been going on for some time...
I'd suggest that Fattus is concerned that McGrath Foundation or not, he expects England to lose heavily again (maybe inside three days) and was purveying that point of view...
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Daneel, we (and Fattus) know why it's called the Pink test - it's been going on for some time...
I'd suggest that Fattus is concerned that McGrath Foundation or not, he expects England to lose heavily again (maybe inside three days) and was purveying that point of view...
Yeah, I sound like a bit of a dickhead, in hindsight.
(so do I, for that matter, haha)
Sorry Fattus.
EDIT: Massive dickhead, I sound like, actually.
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just read the pre match report on cricinfo and they think rankin will be in instead of bresnan, borthwick instead of monty and ballance instead of carberry ( root opening and ballance slotting in at 6) I really do hope that the report is incorrect. Whilst carberry hasnt scored a huge amount hes looked solid and has regularly scored. out of the 2 roots been the one whos been average. with the exception of one innings he hasnt been great. they are obviously desperate to prove the golden boy is the right choice. does this make carberry the new compton?
Do not get me started on the golden boy the Yaaarkshire brigade will be all over it..
They will never drop Oliver Twist
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If Carberry is dropped after one poor performance it just shows that they've learnt nothing and nothing has changed. The Undroppables are still exactly that, of which Root has become one. Yes he did bat badly but he was still part on a opening partnership of 60 and has looked solid throughout the series. I think he's done ok considering all that has gone on around him; Cook repeatedly failing, Trott going home, Root not standing up as a no.3 and KP underperforming. I think even a well established player might have found all this a challenge. Sadly I would therefore expect this to be the end of his test career.
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its just a crazy situation really. yes looking at his stats they may not be as good as they could have been and he had gone into his shell a little but he has also been on the end of some unlucky dismisals.
its a shame when people are picked on past performances. if they arent performing then they shouldnt be playing. we all go through a lean patch and struggle for runs. doesnt make us a bad player, just means we need to work hard to regain that form. sometimes a bit of luck goes your way.
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does carberry though?
It would be interesting to see the stats of balls faced to runs scored from around the wicket.
He has been rendered completely strokeless. Harsh, but fair call I think. It's not even if his first class form warranted a call-up.
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Do not get me started on the golden boy the Yaaarkshire brigade will be all over it..
They will never drop Oliver Twist
You could only think the logic is he and Borthwick combined will do the spinners role - muddled thinking allround!
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I hope they don't drop Carberry. I think he has looked like he knows what he doing against the quick men (unlike a lot of the other batsmen) and has been a bit unlucky with some of his dismissals. Having said that he needs to learn to go on to a big score after getting in (which he managed to do many times)
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Carberry has looked pretty good despite his last knock at the MCG, like you said he has been quite unlucky with some of his dismissals and he desperately needs to go on and make a big score to show he is capable at this level.
Whilst we are on the Carberry topic, has anyone else noticed or thought that he doesn't look as quick as people mentioned when he is fielding? Looks pretty laboured sometimes and doesn't seem to be putting much effort in
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Compton - Root - Carberry
They seem to be going through openers quite quickly, none really have had a time to settle into the role that much.
Not sure whether changing it now will do much to help anyone.
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Whilst we are on the Carberry topic, has anyone else noticed or thought that he doesn't look as quick as people mentioned when he is fielding? Looks pretty laboured sometimes and doesn't seem to be putting much effort in
From what I've seen of him at Hampshire (which is quite a bit) he pulls off a lot more noticeable fielding performances in OD and T20 games. He's the sort of person who takes a stunning diving catch off the boundary rope or slides around to stop a ball that looked near certain of going for a boundary. Stuff that's not quite so noticeable in a test/FC, but I've not got a clue about the running. All I Know is he's normally covering the majority of the leg side boundary by himself here :D.
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From what I've seen of him at Hampshire (which is quite a bit) he pulls off a lot more noticeable fielding performances in OD and T20 games. He's the sort of person who takes a stunning diving catch off the boundary rope or slides around to stop a ball that looked near certain of going for a boundary. Stuff that's not quite so noticeable in a test/FC, but I've not got a clue about the fielding. All I Know is he's normally covering the majority of the leg side boundary by himself here :D.
Agree with most of this. Tends to look like he's jogging until he needs to hit top gear (which is not that often!)
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if rankin ballance n borthwick all get to play, i feel sorry for finn, he might have lost a bit of confidence but now it will just make it worst if he doesnt play
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As much as we have been very very very poor. Im not sure 3 changes is right. Too many changes can have the opposite effect.
Add that to trott going home, and prior dropped. That's 5 changes from the original side. Is that not too many?
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Ballance in for root according to the telegraph...
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If that is true then I think it's a step backwards. Root is the future and carberry isn't at 33.
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I personally think the batting should stay the same, it's not as if Ballance has looked any better than any of our current batsmen when he's had the opportunity, but Monty should be replaced (not sure who with). I'm still fighting with myself as to whether we need to adjust the seamers and who should come in as well!
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Ballance in for root according to the telegraph...
Only theory they give behind thinking that is because "dropping carberry would mea end of his career"
Does really mean they won't do it?
Both Alec stewert and atherton have called for Carberry to be droped and root moved up.
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Carberry was almost shotless at times in Melbourne. Thanks to the around the wicket attack. Root has struggled but has tried to bat with intent and offers a spin option as well.
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Only theory they give behind thinking that is because "dropping carberry would mea end of his career"
Does really mean they won't do it?
Both Alec stewert and atherton have called for Carberry to be droped and root moved up.
Although slightly biased being a Hampshire supporter, I can't really see what Carberry has done wrong. He has a similar average to most of the other batsmen on the tour and has been doing it while seeing off the new ball coming towards him at 90mph+. Also suprised that Cook hasn't brought him on even if only for an over or two to try and get a break through as he actually took a few wickets for Hampshire and the England lions in the latter end of the season!
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As much as we have been very very very poor. Im not sure 3 changes is right. Too many changes can have the opposite effect.
Add that to trott going home, and prior dropped. That's 5 changes from the original side. Is that not too many?
Stokes for Trott
Bresnan for Tremlett
Bairstow for Prior
Monty for Swann
now these three, that is 7 in total from first game.
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I'm not saying one should be dropped over another. Both have had mediocre series, but both are new to test cricket and being asked to play an away ashes series. Management have to take blame for that. Both are struggling to score, carberry is marginally higher on rr, but root is most obvious to stick with.
maybe carberry is in a better place mentally? Who knows. My biggest concern is ballance hasn't played for weeks. Sadly for this tour, I'm almost passed caring!
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Although slightly biased being a Hampshire supporter, I can't really see what Carberry has done wrong. He has a similar average to most of the other batsmen on the tour and has been doing it while seeing off the new ball coming towards him at 90mph+.
Not gone on to get a big score and struggled with the bowling when around the wicket. That is what he has "done wrong".
The question should be "what have the others done that Carberry hasn't?". Not a lot really. Apart from Stokes' ton and KP in the last test, nobody has stood out with the bat.
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Not gone on to get a big score and struggled with the bowling when around the wicket. That is what he has "done wrong".
The question should be "what have the others done that Carberry hasn't?". Not a lot really. Apart from Stokes' ton and KP in the last test, nobody has stood out with the bat.
Yes but that's what I meant. In comparison to the other batsmen. Roots struggled to get the small scores to be fair.
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Yes but that's what I meant. In comparison to the other batsmen. Roots struggled to get the small scores to be fair.
Agreed, just the way you worded it.
To be honest, if we could replace the lot, I would.
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Stokes for Trott
Bresnan for Tremlett
Bairstow for Prior
Monty for Swann
now these three, that is 7 in total from first game.
I forgot about tremlett, it seems so so long ago
But I saw swann-Monty-Borthwick, as one the one change to the regular line up.
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It's called the pink Test because (for the McGrath Foundation, which I hope you've heard of) the entire SCG crowd on Day 3 turns up in pink to support breast cancer research.
From where I'm standing, you sound rather ignorant with that comment.
Really? From where I'm standing you have a breathtaking disregard for irony..........and fun.
Apology for massive-dickheadedness accepted :)
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Like^^^
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If that is true then I think it's a step backwards. Root is the future and carberry isn't at 33.
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Interesting one this for me re Carberry. At 33 and in good shape physically Carberry could play for the next 3-4 years in the test team, which is a healthy chunk of time.
I'm not saying that he has proved himself worthy of playing for that long, and he may not. I just think that I would take 3-4 years of someone putting in solid, consistent performances. I think he deserves at least the home SL series to prove himself.
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Twitter saying root is dropped with balance and borthwick in? Rumour or fact?
Rankin too by the looks of the coverage
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Ballance, Borthwick and Rankin are all in.
Hasn't said who is out though yet.
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Monty, Root and ... Bresnan?
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Root's out, thank god!
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Root's out, thank god!
Twitter say Root, BBC still suggest Carbs...
We may have been thrashed so far with little to suggest anything but again, yet this is actually exciting.
I think Carbs will play.
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I think Carbs will be out. He isn't the future and it is time to throw Root into open if that is how they want to open tests from now on.
Shame Compton didn't come to show everyone how to play a defensive shot... #DigIn
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Surely the Sky guys are close enough to the set up to know the situation. They seem pretty certain that Root is out.
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I think Carbs will be out. He isn't the future and it is time to throw Root into open if that is how they want to open tests from now on.
Shame Compton didn't come to show everyone how to play a defensive shot... #DigIn
Even BBC say Root's out. Yorkshire CCC twitter says so too.
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Even BBC say Root's out. Yorkshire CCC twitter says so too.
Our wager next year could be already won
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sky sports cricket has just tweeted this side:
Cook (c), Carberry, Bell, Pietersen, Ballance, Stokes, Bairstow (wkt), Borthwick, Broad, Anderson, Rankin
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Cook
Carbs
Bell
KP
Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow
Borthwick
Broad
Anderson
Rankin
That's my guesa
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The one massive point and great for English cricket in my mind is Bell batting at 3
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Disgraceful. Treat the lad like a yoyo then discard him.
If he'd have opened all 4 games and failed then Yeah, drop him, but to say he's opening, then after a few warm up, your at six, then, oh wait go in at "3". Bloke didn't stand a chance.
I'd just go home. Lol. But then I'm a Mardy ass.
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WE WON THE (no swearing please) TOSS
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England have won something! The toss... :-[
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Out of the Captains mouth. Root out
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Our wager next year could be already won
I added the sneaky first line disclaimer saying they both had to play all 5 tests. ;)
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Out of the Captains mouth. Root out
Before I use my full GM softs and Six6 in the nets I best mention my South African side of the family and that I'm a massive Biff fan then...
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Root dropped, he should tell them where to go
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Root dropped, he should tell them where to go
He would do, but they put 'In the Night Garden' on and he fell right to sleep... ;)
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He would do, but they put 'In the Night Garden' on and he fell right to sleep... ;)
Haha love it
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If it aboriginal land why no aboriginal anthem
Genuine question this
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If it aboriginal land why no aboriginal anthem
Genuine question this
I don't believe there is one. But they do sing the Australian National Anthem in in the aboriginal language. Aboriginals are Australian so why not the Australian National Anthem? It represents them too
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If it aboriginal land why no aboriginal anthem
Genuine question this
Do they play Delilah at Cardiff?
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Welsh have there own national anthem was a genuine question after the elder bloke came on mate
I see your point but after the first test where the digarido thing came out
When I was in Sydney we had a study period with some aborigines was fascinating the tribe system
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8 lefties in the england side is this a first???
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Root dropped, he should tell them where to go
He's a Yorkshire lad, he's kinda expected it. Make a few scores, do a decent job in (No Swearing Please) circumstances...get dropped for the Southerner Caberry. Go figure...
Come to think of it, Bresnan dropped, Anderson survives is suspicious...
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Broad. What a (No Swearing Please). 1ball and asking for sawdust?
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He's a Yorkshire lad, he's kinda expected it. Make a few scores, do a decent job in (No Swearing Please) circumstances...get dropped for the Southerner Caberry. Go figure...
Come to think of it, Bresnan dropped, Anderson survives is suspicious...
As good as i think he will be, he has a big flaw in his technique.
He will come back stronger...i hope.
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What a disgrace to drop Root, he did a great job lower down the order and was put up too early. The selectors should be ashamed. In Australia a few of our young prospects were put up the order too early and have not prospered.
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To be fair to Root neither him or Carberry deserve to be in the side was a harsh dropping to a degree both have batted without any intent which has been the biggest disappointment
Atherton and Hussain are both doing my but in I sometime hate Cook defensive attitude but at least as captain he can say he won the ashes as a a skipper .
Let the man captain at least
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See ya Warner, well batted good to see him get himself in.
The guy really is a flat track bully without a brain cell in sight. Still not that I'm complaining :D
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Root fully deserved to be dropped.
He's vastly overrated.
He's got rubbish footwork and in Tests outside England he averages 28.
He needs to go back to Yorkshire and learn how to move his feet otherwise he'll be exposed every time he comes up against high quality fast bowlers.
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Root fully deserved to be dropped.
He's vastly overrated.
He's got rubbish footwork and in Tests outside England he averages 28.
He needs to go back to Yorkshire and learn how to move his feet otherwise he'll be exposed every time he comes up against high quality fast bowlers.
Agreed. He just cant leave some balls alone. Winds me up the way he wafts his bat at some of them.
Patience and choosing your run making balls is the order of the day in tests.
Seems like a bright fella though so i'm sure he will get it right.
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liking the look of rankin, few loose balls, put that down to nerves, but looks to be getting plenty of bounce :D
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We're in trouble, 4/94 at lunch. Oh deary me.
Liking the look of Boyd Rankin, always thought he was very good. Carberry looks sharper in the field this Test.
I still think it was too harsh of them to drop Root, I reckon he should've stayed in with Carberry. My XI would've been:
Cook
Carberry
Bell
KP
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Borthwick
Broad
Anderson
Rankin
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8 lefties in the england side is this a first???
AHHHHH Offspinners paradise :D
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It's been an interesting start to the match.
Even though the Aussies are 4 down an in a bit of trouble I still can't help but feel that England didn't really take advantage of the favourable bowling conditions. It could have been worse. Also, I would have liked to see Cook throw the ball to Borthwick for a couple of overs towards the end of the session. Oh well, at least it has been a competitive first session.
Hopefully the Aussies go on to post a reasonable score and we have a decent test match (that ends in a 5nil result :))
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It's been an interesting start to the match.
Even though the Aussies are 4 down an in a bit of trouble I still can't help but feel that England didn't really take advantage of the favourable bowling conditions. It could have been worse. Also, I would have liked to see Cook throw the ball to Borthwick for a couple of overs towards the end of the session. Oh well, at least it has been a competitive first session.
Hopefully the Aussies go on to post a reasonable score and we have a decent test match (that ends in a 5nil result :))
Who would you have liked Borthwick to have a bowl instead of? Stokes or Anderson? They both took a wicket towards the end of the session.
There was something in it for the seamers and England have 4 of them. Correct decision from Cook to hold Borthwick back.
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Yes get that idiot ou of there hopefully only one more innings then I the end of that pollock
All the chat but does not contribute one more should do it Mr Bailey
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C'mon Australia. 200 then stroll on!!
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Got a horrible feeling about this. I think the Aussies will bowl really well on this pitch.
Off to bed in a minute...i told myself that about 2 hours ago :D
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You've got to love Brad Haddin, top player, top bloke and my man of the series. Outstanding.
I liked the look of Borthwick, though bowling him against Haddin was always going to end expensively.
Rumours of Bell being used as a seamer, due to Rankins injury... PLEASE BE TRUE :D
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I thought I seen Smith licking his lips when Borthwick was bowling. Smith looks very comfortable against the leggy
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stokes bowl well, sucks that rankin has to go off where is finn!!! only player not playing in the squad at all
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I thought I seen Smith licking his lips when Borthwick was bowling. Smith looks very comfortable against the leggy
He is a leggie himself though, which helps I guess. I bowl leg spin and can't pick a googly from a stock leggie, but he is an Aussie pro.
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Who would you have liked Borthwick to have a bowl instead of? Stokes or Anderson? They both took a wicket towards the end of the session.
There was something in it for the seamers and England have 4 of them. Correct decision from Cook to hold Borthwick back.
It wasn't that I really thought one of the seamers should have been taken off and as you said cook was right to keep them bowling, its just that I would have liked to have seen a spinner bowl sometime during the first session, show a bit off support to the debutant and all that. However given the circumstances it wasn't really feasible.
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That terrible batsman Steve Smith takes the English attack apart again
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Another great fighting hundred from Smithy and Haddin also to the rescue.
If it takes more turn towards the back end of the test (and Sydney is known as a turner), England will rue not having Root's part time offies and only have a debutant spinner... Are there any other part time spinners in the England XI?
On 2nd thoughts, maybe they're not expecting this test to go the distance... ;)
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Another great fighting hundred from Smithy and Haddin also to the rescue.
If it takes more turn towards the back end of the test (and Sydney is known as a turner), England will rue not having Root's part time offies and only have a debutant spinner... Are there any other part time spinners in the England XI?
On 2nd thoughts, maybe they're not expecting this test to go the distance... ;)
This wicket isn't a typical Sydney wicket though... green top.... Australia prepared to suit the English so not to humiliate them with a 5-nil drubbing but they still can't perform on a wicket that suits them in conditions that should suit them
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Takes a young 22 year old to show the experienced English bowlers how to take wickets... Shameful. Especially shameful that Anderson kicks the ball away like a spoilt brat.
Guys on here talk about Bailey and his sledging... Anderson sledges Haddin and gets carted, chucks a tantrum, kicks the ball away, drops a catch... If he concentrated on playing cricket maybe he wouldn't be throwing the game away to Australia.... Shocking display by Anderson and his ego today
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well done to young Stokes. Now England just need to find a few more young kiwis :D
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This wicket isn't a typical Sydney wicket though... green top.... Australia prepared to suit the English so not to humiliate them with a 5-nil drubbing but they still can't perform on a wicket that suits them in conditions that should suit them
Yes it does look very green for a Sydney pitch. Will be interesting how it plays as the match continues.
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Great effort with the ball by Stokes. He has been very good for england this summer, quite a revelation and pretty much their only positive from the tour....
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Nathan Lyon still not dismissed in the series. Surely he goes in above Sidle now.
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Takes a young 22 year old to show the experienced English bowlers how to take wickets... Shameful. Especially shameful that Anderson kicks the ball away like a spoilt brat.
Guys on here talk about Bailey and his sledging... Anderson sledges Haddin and gets carted, chucks a tantrum, kicks the ball away, drops a catch... If he concentrated on playing cricket maybe he wouldn't be throwing the game away to Australia.... Shocking display by Anderson and his ego today
I didn't get to see anything past lunch, had a net. How do you mean Anderson kicked the ball away?
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I didn't get to see anything past lunch, had a net. How do you mean Anderson kicked the ball away?
He kicked it like it was a rugby ball
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He kicked it like it was a rugby ball
Was it a Flintoff style celebration, or was it Jimmy's toys coming out of the pram??
Not seen any of it so sorry if that's a stupid question.
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Was it a Flintoff style celebration, or was it Jimmy's toys coming out of the pram??
Not seen any of it so sorry if that's a stupid question.
He took a catch off Stokes bowling and booted the ball away. He had the shits with his bowling
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Wow, Anderson's always had a big ego, but recently its been worse than normal.
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Good to see Stokes in the wickets. That's a five-fer and a ton this series. A real big positive for the England team going forward.
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3 debutantes for England and one was even English :D
I feel for Rankin, tough ask after playing very little cricket for the past couple of months. Apparently he had a fitness test this morning and given the all clear before the team was named.
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Stokes seem to be getting better and better.
Those whinging about Anderson, it is a team game and I think any team would be relatively happy to bowl Australia out, at home, for under 350. Especially when they lost a bowler mid-innings. If they had to bowl for another couple of sessions one light, they'd be knacked.
All this moving Bell to 3, and still can't get to bat there.
Carberry did well.
Will be interesting couple of sessions tomorrow, will be good to see if there is some fight there or not.
I bet Lyon is siting in that changing room considering whether to get out next innings to get an average.
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What a wonderful day for England and it's selectors.
Firstly there big debutant seamer bowls 8.2 overs and is off crocked. Great selection.
Atleast we have a mainstream spinner to take up overs..... Oh wait he's a debutant.
Use the part time spinner...... Oh they dropped him after treating him like a yoyo.
Atleast the guy that kept his spot got some runs......... He got a pair if ducks in one innings? Oh great.
Fantastic.
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Carberry did well.
I dont normally feel for opposition, but fair dinkum, if carberry didnt have filthy dirty rotten luck, he wouldnt have any luck at all!
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Carberry may well not be good enough for test cricket, but Johnson's been blowing everyone away this series and carberry has mostly played him better than more experienced team mates.
he's been thrown into an away ashes series against a, let's face it, quality pace attack, one of whom has bowled one of the great series of recent times. He deserves a bit of slack, which the selectors have clearly given him.
yeah, he was out twice. I put that down to top quality bowling.
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We really are clutching at straws if people are suggesting we are missing Roots tweaks! I would have picked him but nothing to do with his bowling.
If Rankin passed his fitness test I dont see how the selectors can be blamed for his injury
Good to see changes to this very stagnant England team. Bresnan has looked military all series
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I can't believe we've let them get from 95-5 to 350 odd again. Bloody ridiculous. I didn't get to see much of it last night but if it was Smith and Haddin doing the damage again I imagine they just fed them both the short ball all day.
I'm all for getting the youngster in and building for the future, but isn't Rankin 30 odd? Not too sure why they brought him down under to be honest, other than to make our team more cosmopolitan.
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I dont normally feel for opposition, but fair dinkum, if carberry didnt have filthy dirty rotten luck, he wouldnt have any luck at all!
He did have a slice of luck. Hotspot picked up a nick the ball before he got out! Only Bailey at short leg appealed...
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He did have a slice of luck. Hotspot picked up a nick the ball before he got out! Only Bailey at short leg appealed...
And the inside edge first ball he faced I think it was
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I'm all for getting the youngster in and building for the future, but isn't Rankin 30 odd? Not too sure why they brought him down under to be honest, other than to make our team more cosmopolitan.
Rankin is 29. Commentators said last night that he had been in Alice Springs for the last month. Not sure if he was out there playing.
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Who's Alice Springs? Sounds like she has tantric stamina to keep at it for a month! 😝
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Why on earth would he be in Alice Springs for a month?!
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Why on earth would he be in Alice Springs for a month?!
Well that's where they played one of the warm up games... Maybe he stayed and played a few club games
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No idea...it was late last night when he hobbled off and i think it was Nasser that said he hadnt played for a month and that he was in Alice Springs.
Maybe i've got it wrong and was hallucinating with lack of sleep :D
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Maybe he missed the bus?
He's been anonymous in the eyes of the management so far on the tour, so perhaps they didn't notice he wasn't on it?
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skysports twitter i think mentioned he was struggling with cramp and is not injured. at the end of the day it doesnt matter if he passes a fitness test you can still get injured.
once again we got ourselves into a decent position only to let is slip. I still have no idea how smith is getting runs, haddin is obviously in a purple patch. once again they have rescued a pretty average batting performance from the rest. thats one of the only differences between the sides. where the english batsmans have failed the tail/ lower order has been blown away. aus top order fail and the likes of smith and haddin rescue them.
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I think they said today Australia's 6th wicket partnership for the series is averaging 62
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I still have no idea
Ive been telling you that for 2 months now. Of all the stinkers of judges of anything cricket on this forum, youre about the worst of fhe lot. Just as well you make nice bats!
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#Ashes runs breakdown:
1st innings - first four tests
1st five wickets
AUS 612, ENG 596 (+16)
Last 5 wickets
AUS 842, ENG 218 (+624)
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Ive been telling you that for 2 months now. Of all the stinkers of judges of anything cricket on this forum, youre about the worst of fhe lot. Just as well you make nice bats!
No need for personal snipes thanks - forum is about sharing opinions. Not everybody has to agree, but you have to at least respect the person's right to express their thoughts
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#Ashes runs breakdown:
1st innings - first four tests
1st five wickets
AUS 612, ENG 596 (+16)
Last 5 wickets
AUS 842, ENG 218 (+624)
Blimey, didn't realise the top 5's were that close!
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Yep. Equally toot.
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Blimey, didn't realise the top 5's were that close!
And these figures come down to one thing... Mitchell Johnson blowing away the tail
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Scott Borthwick, as I predicted, was rubbish.
Total pie chucker. Tredwell and Panesar should rightfully be miffed.
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Scott Borthwick, as I predicted, was rubbish.
Total pie chucker. Tredwell and Panesar should rightfully be miffed.
Except he wasn't picked as a bowler.
England have (slightly ridiculously) picked 7 frontline batsmen, two of whom have secondary part time roles (i.e. keeper and spin bowling pie chucker) plus an allrounder in Stokes.
There are many ways to skin a cat - but this cat needs to score 400+ runs and this is the route the Eng brains (oxymoron alert) trust have gone for.
The idea that you can pick a load of youngsters/inexperienced players to freshen up the team is fine.
But you need to have more experienced players than not or the team becomes unbalanced - like a school or Uni team for the first few games - you don't pick 5 or 6 freshers. that would be nuts.
except that is exactly what we have done here. Prior should be playing instead of Bairstow (and shouldn't have been dropped) then there is at least some extra experience.
Still - this team wont die wondering.
chances are it will die and I 100% guarantee that they will never play as an XI again.
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borthwick isnt really a specific spinner, bowls alright most of the time, cant believe finn didnt play though..... hopefully cook can get a big score tomorrow.
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Ive been telling you that for 2 months now. Of all the stinkers of judges of anything cricket on this forum, youre about the worst of fhe lot. Just as well you make nice bats!
i dont rate him, thats a personal opinion. we bowl poorly at him and he scores runs. credit to him for that. for me i dont think hes a good enough player and that there are much better players in shield cricket who should fill that spot. Im quite happy to admin when im wrong and if he goes on to fill his boots against south africa and the like then ill happily admit that and give him credit where its due. same with bailey, hes played very well at oneday stuff but just doesnt look comfortable in whites.
ill openly admin that when stokes was picked in the test squad i didnt think it was warranted let alone actually playing a game. He's put the hard work in and performed. i never said i knew it all.
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And these figures come down to one thing... Mitchell Johnson blowing away the tail
What's interesting is to look at the Summer series first. In the summer, the Australian lower order outscored England's at an average of 82.7 per innings versus 77.3. The difference is that England's top order scored a lot more runs.
In Australia, the difference has been Mitch, or fear of Mitch, with the England lower order managing 42.9 per innings versus Australia's 139.4.
It's not just a fear of Johnson though, it demonstrates that England have consistently failed to work out how to get the lower order out, especially Haddin.
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Haddin is in the form of his life with the bat. For an Aussie it has been great to watch him bat
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What would be interesting is a bowler comparison. I think that would highlight why England have lost these ashes by such a large margin. The Aussies as a whole had bowled better than us, the stat about England only bowling 18 balls on the stumps to Watson out of 300 plus is staggering.
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I can not believe Rankin is playing or even got selected for the tour. I am disgusted
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Haddin is in the form of his life with the bat. For an Aussie it has been great to watch him bat
Not just for Aussies mate credit where credit is due he is simply playing world class test cricket and is in fine form and great to watch. A good role model for any kid watching
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Not just for Aussies mate credit where credit is due he is simply playing world class test cricket and is in fine form and great to watch. A good role model for any kid watching
I wish he wasn't such a (No Swearing Please) though, always chirping and reacting to the barmy army with his celebrations. Get a grip, they are there supporting their country so stop rising to the bait and making yourself look like a (No Swearing Please)
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He is a patriot he refused to have a picture with me and a couple of mates at the scg when we went to watch nsw v vic when he heard our English voices
Guess that's what drives him and fair play the barmy give it so he kind of gives it and I guess he walks the walk so fair play
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He is a patriot he refused to have a picture with me and a couple of mates at the scg when we went to watch nsw v vic when he heard our English voices
See, that just makes me think even less of him. I agree he's a top player but I don't like his attitude or manner and now you've said that I think he's an even bigger tit
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That terrible batsman Steve Smith takes the English attack apart again
Good counterattacking knock I'll give him that, but lets not make out like he's become the new Ponting - he's still only averaging 35 in Test cricket and his two scores this series have come on the back of more intimidating colleagues knocking the wind out of England's sails. You can bet that Dale Steyn, Morne Morkel and especially Vernon Philander are licking their collective lips at the thought of bowling to him (as well as Watson and Bailey).
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Bailey surely wont play another test
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Haddin may not like us that up to him, but he has batted brilliantly all series and hats off to him. When we have had them in trouble he has seen them to safety and fair play to him. He is doing what Prior was doing for us a couple of years ago. Its his perogative to refuse photos with us Poms but I would have a greater respect for him if he didn't behave in that way, however that is merely my opinion.
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What would be interesting is a bowler comparison. I think that would highlight why England have lost these ashes by such a large margin. The Aussies as a whole had bowled better than us, the stat about England only bowling 18 balls on the stumps to Watson out of 300 plus is staggering.
Oh, this is undoubtedly the big difference between the sides - if you look at the two top sevens, I would ay that apart from Haddin, who has been absolutely magnificent throughout the series, there has been little to choose between them - especially if you take into account the context provided by so many pressure free second innings runs for the Australians.
At the same time, the Australian bowling has been streets ahead - for England, Anderson has looked tired, Bresnan short of fitness and Tremlett old. Broad has bowled well at times but for me he is still a streak bowler to be selected as the third seamer rather than a man on whom you can base your attack for a series. Australia have had Harris, who has been brilliant, backed by Siddle who has made an art of doing nothing very much at no great pace whilst being precisely the bowler his captain needs him to be, and Johnson, who has not bowled as well as his figures suggest, but who has got into the heads of the opposition and has capitalised on the pressure created by his colleagues. Watson has stemmed runs too, and Lyon - for all his negativity and the fact that he is still no better than a clubbie - has held up an end. This has been backed by consistent planning and excellent catching.
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Bailey surely wont play another test
Difficult to change a winning team...
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Bailey surely wont play another test
Hard to drop him if they win 5-0, even though he is nowhere near the required level.
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I agree but he isn't good enough
Hughes has scored plenty of runs, he'd replace Bailey and bat at 3, with Watson moving down to 6 in my ideal side for the SA series
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Takes a young 22 year old to show the experienced English bowlers how to take wickets... Shameful. Especially shameful that Anderson kicks the ball away like a spoilt brat.
Guys on here talk about Bailey and his sledging... Anderson sledges Haddin and gets carted, chucks a tantrum, kicks the ball away, drops a catch... If he concentrated on playing cricket maybe he wouldn't be throwing the game away to Australia.... Shocking display by Anderson and his ego today
Poor to compare Bailey and Anderson. Anderson is a proven, high quality test match performer who has had a poor series. Bailey is a nobody at this level and will not play test match cricket again after this series. Anderson has the right to have an ego, Bailey has not.
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Poor to compare Bailey and Anderson. Anderson is a proven, high quality test match performer who has had a poor series. Bailey is a nobody at this level and will not play test match cricket again after this series. Anderson has the right to have an ego, Bailey has not.
Really...please explain?
Quite frankly he is acting like a child and he should be challenged on it. He's a grown man. He should grow a pair and start acting like one.
p.s. i say this as a Lancastrian.
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Really...please explain?
Quite frankly he is acting like a child and he should be challenged on it. He's a grown man. He should grow a pair and start acting like one.
p.s. i say this as a Lancastrian.
Ego, confidence, arrogance. Call it what you like, most top level sportsman have this and have the right to draw on it in order to drag them through the tough times. You earn the right to this level of ego, Bailey has not and should be more humble. I used to really like the bloke to be honest, I'm now happy his test match career is over.
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Ego, confidence, arrogance. Call it what you like, most top level sportsman have this and have the right to draw on it in order to drag them through the tough times. You earn the right to this level of ego, Bailey has not and should be more humble. I used to really like the bloke to be honest, I'm now happy his test match career is over.
Bailey's Australian. They don't do humble very often. I think ego and sledging are two entirely different things.
Sledging is a verbal way to distract the batsman and can verge on intimidation and cheating if it is not kept to a respectable level.
Ego is thinking you are all that, whether you are or not.
Anderson, Broad, Warner are three off the top of my head with big egos.
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Bailey's Australian. They don't do humble very often. I think ego and sledging are two entirely different things.
Sledging is a verbal way to distract the batsman and can verge on intimidation and cheating if it is not kept to a respectable level.
Lets face it, no one really thought he was in the side for his batting did they? :)
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Bailey's Australian. They don't do humble very often. I think ego and sledging are two entirely different things.
Sledging is a verbal way to distract the batsman and can verge on intimidation and cheating if it is not kept to a respectable level.
Ego is thinking you are all that, whether you are or not.
Anderson, Broad, Warner are three off the top of my head with big egos.
I agree to a point. Even at the lowest form of club cricket you have the players who are not good enough and sledge. Some have earned the right though and are well within their right to pass comment and use that to the teams advantage. Bailey is the first of those.
Warner and Broad I would agree with in terms of ego. Anderson is just super confident and a touch grumpy. I would agree however that is demeanour has not been great on this tour though.
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Bailey's Australian. They don't do humble very often. I think ego and sledging are two entirely different things.
Sledging is a verbal way to distract the batsman and can verge on intimidation and cheating if it is not kept to a respectable level.
Ego is thinking you are all that, whether you are or not.
Anderson, Broad, Warner are three off the top of my head with big egos.
100% agree with you on this.
Ego doesnt win you games, faith in your ability does and that is very different to ego.
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Johnson hasn't bowled as well as his average suggests, Lyon's a clubbie, Smith isn't a good enough bat, Haddin's a tit, Bailey will never play another test (you are probably right there), Warner is a flat track bully with no brain cells. Keep 'em coming fellas.
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Johnson hasn't bowled as well as his average suggests, Lyon's a clubbie, Smith isn't a good enough bat, Haddin's a tit, Bailey will never play another test (you are probably right there), Warner is a flat track bully with no brain cells. Keep 'em coming fellas.
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Fair summary. Well done.
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I agree to a point. Even at the lowest form of club cricket you have the players who are not good enough and sledge. Some have earned the right though and are well within their right to pass comment and use that to the teams advantage. Bailey is the first of those.
Warner and Broad I would agree with in terms of ego. Anderson is just super confident and a touch grumpy. I would agree however that is demeanour has not been great on this tour though.
Sledging is a team tactic though. Bailey usually stands the closest and therefore gets the job. It used to be the wicket keeper but stump mics put an end to that. Years ago it was seen as a challenge, now it causes offence ???
Watched this brilliant clip recently with Big Merv Hughes and his exchange with Miandad
http://youtu.be/hKe-ugc-yTs (http://youtu.be/hKe-ugc-yTs)
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Johnson hasn't bowled as well as his average suggests, Lyon's a clubbie, Smith isn't a good enough bat, Haddin's a tit, Bailey will never play another test (you are probably right there), Warner is a flat track bully with no brain cells. Keep 'em coming fellas.
Thank you for agreeing with us.
Add Wooly to the list of Aussie haters.
:D :D :D
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Sledging is a team tactic though. Bailey usually stands the closest and therefore gets the job. It used to be the wicket keeper but stump mics put an end to that. Years ago it was seen as a challenge, now it causes offence ???
Watched this brilliant clip recently with Big Merv Hughes and his exchange with Miandad
[url]http://youtu.be/hKe-ugc-yTs[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/hKe-ugc-yTs[/url])
I agree it causes offence, especially from someone who is just not good enough which makes it more offensive.
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Thank you for agreeing with us.
Add Wooly to the list of Aussie haters.
:D :D :D
you guys don't really hate Aussies, only when we are smacking your backsides. Probably the same way we feel about you blokes. ;)
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I agree it causes offence, especially from someone who is just not good enough which makes it more offensive.
It doesn't have to be offensive, just clever.
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I agree it causes offence, especially from someone who is just not good enough which makes it more offensive.
Who cares who delivers it...its a team tactic. On the video i just posted, in the first 10 seconds Merv tells us that it is a team tactic amongst the Australians which they call 'verbal intimidation'.
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I agree it causes offence, especially from someone who is just not good enough which makes it more offensive.
What makes someone good enough to sledge?
Is Anderson able to sledge Warne? Maybe Haddin to sledge gilly? Not sure you can say 'isn't good enough' because where is that line. If you play amateur cricket I'd say you certainly aren't good enough. I'd also say half or more of the county circuit probably aren't either :(
Clever/amusing sledging (to fielders, batsmen and umpires!!) is great, unfortunately 99% of it is offensive and not clever
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you guys don't really hate Aussies, only when we are smacking your backsides. Probably the same way we feel about you blokes. ;)
To be fair, personally I really like the Aussies and 99.99% are ok. It is the odd one who use success to deliberately wind up people without having anything to back it up. Almost using other peoples success to mask his own failing in whatever they do.
I would guess it is mirrored in with the English attitude. One person will ruin it for the rest of them.
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It doesn't have to be offensive, just clever.
My point exactly. From someone who is not good enough it becomes offensive. From someone who is good enough and has respect it can be clever and affective.
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What makes someone good enough to sledge?
Is Anderson able to sledge Warne? Maybe Haddin to sledge gilly? Not sure you can say 'isn't good enough' because where is that line. If you play amateur cricket I'd say you certainly aren't good enough. I'd also say half or more of the county circuit probably aren't either :(
Clever/amusing sledging (to fielders, batsmen and umpires!!) is great, unfortunately 99% of it is offensive and not clever
It's All relative surely, so it doesn't matter what level you play at. At any level of cricket, the crap bloke who chirps up and can't back it up gets hammered by the opposition. That's just the way it goes mate.
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My point exactly. From someone who is not good enough it becomes offensive. From someone who is good enough and has respect it can be clever and affective.
Clarke threatened a number 11 batsman with the potential of a broken arm. That is not clever, just intimidatory.
Clarke is probably the best batsman on show in the series.
How is that any more worthy than if Bailey had said it?
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Clarke threatened a number 11 batsman with the potential of a broken arm. That is not clever, just intimidatory.
Clarke is probably the best batsman on show in the series.
How is that any more worthy than if Bailey had said it?
See post above re: Verbal intimidation
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It is the odd one who use success to deliberately wind up people without having anything to back it up.
This. Anyone else wonder why Johnson is giving it the big I am all of a sudden after years of being a laughing stock?
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Clarke threatened a number 11 batsman with the potential of a broken arm. That is not clever, just intimidatory.
Clarke is probably the best batsman on show in the series.
How is that any more worthy than if Bailey had said it?
I did say can be clever and affective. That example is completely unacceptable and should have resulted in ban. In my opinion.
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Not very good with the bold type lol
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This. Anyone else wonder why Johnson is giving it the big I am all of a sudden after years of being a laughing stock?
He seems to think that your only as good as your last match...in which case he is a magnificent (No Swearing Please).
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I did say can be clever and affective. That example is completely unacceptable and should have resulted in ban. In my opinion.
But the point is, why does it matter who says it?
A better example would be McGrath/Brandes and Brandes quick riposte to a McGrath sledge. Brandes is not good enough a cricketer to give it to McGrath, yet he does and it is clever,so it is right.
If it is clever enough, no matter how good you are, sledging is fine.
If it is blantantly disrespectful,doesn't matter if you are the best player in the World, shouldn't be allowed.
(apologies, just realised, possibly not the most thoughtful of choices being the Sydney "pink" test. Sorry for any upset).
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But the point is, why does it matter who says it?
A better example would be McGrath/Brandes and Brandes quick riposte to a McGrath sledge. Brandes is not good enough a cricketer to give it to McGrath, yet he does and it is clever,so it is right.
If it is clever enough, no matter how good you are, sledging is fine.
If it is blantantly disrespectful,doesn't matter if you are the best player in the World, shouldn't be allowed.
(apologies, just realised, possibly not the most thoughtful of choices being the Sydney "pink" test. Sorry for any upset).
In principle clever sledging (Let's ignore the Clarke example) is fine from anyone. All I'm saying is that in my opinion sledging has to be backed up with something, otherwise you end up looking like a bit of a tit.
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In principle clever sledging (Let's ignore the Clarke example) is fine from anyone. All I'm saying is that in my opinion sledging has to be backed up with something, otherwise you end up looking like a bit of a tit.
Exactly... And as soon as Anderson has started sledging this series he has been taken apart by the Aussie bottom order who have taken the game away from England each time....
No good saying "Well I was better than you last series"
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In principle clever sledging (Let's ignore the Clarke example) is fine from anyone. All I'm saying is that in my opinion sledging has to be backed up with something, otherwise you end up looking like a bit of a tit.
As most sledging is done early in someone's innings how do you know who who is crap and who is good?? And you can't exactly know that you'll get run/wickets. So by that only the odd bowler first innings can sledge and maybe one or two bats in the second ? (Assuming you need to score 50+ or take 3/4+ wickets)
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Just shut up and play cricket and leave the other team alone as you are irrelevant to them as they are to you :) then everyone is happier as they is no utter rubbish spoken
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As most sledging is done early in someone's innings how do you know who who is crap and who is good?? And you can't exactly know that you'll get run/wickets. So by that only the odd bowler first innings can sledge and maybe one or two bats in the second ? (Assuming you need to score 50+ or take 3/4+ wickets)
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Just shut up and play cricket and leave the other team alone as you are irrelevant to them as they are to you :) then everyone is happier as they is no utter rubbish spoken
If they don't have fully matching kit and a selection of 6 bats you just know! ;)
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If they don't have fully matching kit and a selection of 6 bats you just know! ;)
Best answer ever
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As most sledging is done early in someone's innings how do you know who who is crap and who is good?? And you can't exactly know that you'll get run/wickets. So by that only the odd bowler first innings can sledge and maybe one or two bats in the second ? (Assuming you need to score 50+ or take 3/4+ wickets)
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Just shut up and play cricket and leave the other team alone as you are irrelevant to them as they are to you :) then everyone is happier as they is no utter rubbish spoken
Totally agree with the second part of your comment, that is exactly how I would like the game to be played.
On your first point, if you play any form of cricket over a period of time at any level you know the good players who if they choose, can make comments and back it up. So I am sure anyone who plays at any level knows who "those" players are.
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Nice one Cook. Brainless
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A truly shocking leave
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Sums up the whole tour
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Am I watching highlights?? Bell dropped first ball... And a playan d miss.... Could be a loooooooong day with his bunch of idiots batting
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Why oh why would you attempt to leave that line? Cook is so far out if nick not sure he could even spell it.
Bell dropped first ball, sure the way were batting wont take long to get another chance.
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And what the hell was that third shot?? Sherminator is back
Now rabbit Anderson is edging .. Good god
Whose replaced bell with broad ???????
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Could we lose this in two days?
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Could we lose this in two days?
5-0 loss heading our way by day 2.. Now trying to run himself out!! Give up son, everyone else has. Tree on the stumps, feed a few half trackers and full tosses and home time.
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Can England declare twice then forfeit the T20 & ODIs?? Don't think there's any point continuing this tour :(
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Can England declare twice then forfeit the T20 & ODIs?? Don't think there's any point continuing this tour :(
I'd be quite happy to sack off the t20 slog and odi's for sure
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Phew..
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Wow what a start, could we do any worst. Its like a comedy. And people say Carberry shouldn't play. At least he got out to a good catch trying to be positive. He's not played 100 tests and being made to look average. His partner has let him down most of this tour. He should be given the summer to prove himself before being discarded.
Anderson just gone to, 14-3. Looking dire!
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I'd be quite happy to sack off the t20 slog and odi's for sure
This tour seems to have gone on forever, the Aussies have the main prize, is there any point playing hit & giggle cricket or ODIs that the players and public have no interest in??
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Wow what a start, could we do any worst. Its like a comedy. And people say Carberry shouldn't play. At least he got out to a good catch trying to be positive. He's not played 100 tests and being made to look average. His partner has let him down most of this tour. He should be given the summer to prove himself before being discarded.
Anderson just gone to, 14-3. Looking dire!
7,0,7.0,0 are the current scores.. I was thinking the same thing.. Can't sack carbs off and leave Cook as he's just as bad.
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I said yesterday that i was fearing the worst today... :(
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Oh no >:(
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Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrggggggghhhhhh
Useless
Brainless
Seriously these can't be the best we have. If so we must have some bloody crap players on the county circuits
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Ballance wearing a massive chest guard...is this asking for trouble?
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Fabulous lengths from Harris. Showing that England bowled woefully yesterday.
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At least We may bat for two sessions today 1st innings in the morning 2nd in the afternoon
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England using the theory 'a quick games a good game'?
Pathetic, hopeless batting.
Harris and Johnson different class to all the other bowlers in this series.
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Fabulous lengths from Harris. Showing that England bowled woefully yesterday.
Broad and rankin take bloody note of the length Harris is bowling. Top stuff Harris.
I say broad and rankin... What I should say is any of you nameless 'analysts' !!! Over paid and useless people.
I still say Harris is and has been the best bowler on show
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Ballance wearing a massive chest guard...is this asking for trouble?
With Johnson banging them down at 93mph I'd go out armed up like Robocop!
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With Johnson banging them down at 93mph I'd go out armed up like Robocop!
Oh come on man...he's hardly Wasim or Waqar is he.
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i dont know why im watching anymore
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Something if just thought about. Cricket really took off after 2005 and the money has flowed in... If England now go back to being the 90's quality what will happen to sky's coverage and the money?? People won't keep paying top prices to see the games (ticket or tv).. Meaning sky will pay less for the sport and so starts a potentially damaging period for the game (given the ECB already supports most counties to keep their over paid players and staff in a job)...
Hadn't thought about it but seriously considering if the sky sports price is worth watching as it funds these idiots, management and ECB....
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i dont know why im watching anymore
Everyone likes watching bullies :)
Men against toddlers
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Fabulous lengths from Harris. Showing that England bowled woefully yesterday.
Athers though has said that you need to make the most of the new ball here and England did to a degree. If England can survive this spell, it may calm down as the ball gets older.
Here's hoping anyway!
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Put the kids to bed, this is X-Rated!!!!
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Oh come on man...he's hardly Wasim or Waqar is he.
So you'd face him without any additional padding I take it...
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Athers though has said that you need to make the most of the new ball here and England did to a degree. If England can survive this spell, it may calm down as the ball gets older.
Here's hoping anyway!
Nathan Lyon's champing at the bit to have a bowl!
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So you'd face him without any additional padding I take it...
Yeah. I'd face him with nothing but the bog standard normal stuff.....
"Square leg guard please sir"
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So you'd face him without any additional padding I take it...
I wouldnt be wearing a chest guard thats for sure. Its showing a weakness at this level.
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Oh oh. :(
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Bell gone for two #Village. #EvenRootGotMoreThanTwo
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All out for less than 100 anyone??
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"bell should be three. he's more aggressive and natural up there"
are things I've read recently. 2 of 31? fantastic job.
I've put a bet on off 57 all out.
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/352661.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/352661.html)
this second inning at kingston springs to mind
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All out for less than 100 anyone??
Bookies have stopped taking bets on that mate ;) haha
Whos up to challenging England with a CustomBats XI? I reckon we'd have a good chance at the moment!!!
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All out for less than 100 anyone??
At this rate, will be pretty much done by tomorrow.
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Bookies have stopped taking bets on that mate ;) haha
Whos up to challenging England with a CustomBats XI? I reckon we'd have a good chance at the moment!!!
To make a game of it we'd have to reverse the order and make sure we batted first ;)
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All out for less than 100 anyone??
Blimey your optimistic!
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To make a game of it we'd have to reverse the order and make sure we batted first ;)
We did reverse it.. Jimmy went from 10 to 3 :)
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We did reverse it.. Jimmy went from 10 to 3 :)
I was on about the CBF team to play England mate, they could play whatever muppets they like, we'd still roll through them :D
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The good news is we bat relatively deep :-[
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After almost 3 hours, Stokes is the first player to move into double figures.
I should just go to bed.
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After almost 3 hours, Stokes is the first player to move into double figures.
I should just go to bed.
Now ballance... Racking up the runs now fella
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We have someone resembling a batsmen at the crease.. Whisper it though..
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Don't say a word lads...
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Yay :) 50's up
5 wkts down, it's pathetic really. What I really want to hear tomorrow morning is Ballance and Stokes both not out and both on 150+
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Bailey and the Aussies showing a lack of class just now when ballance was hit on the helmet. Good sportsmanship there !! Tossers
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that albions grill was bent far to easy. he's lucky not to have the ball in there with him!
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I'm genuinely worried. What would be the reason for dropping Joe Root, if in fact we were looking at the future with likes of Borthwick and Ballance being selected. I understand though that Carberry is the leading runs scorer for us, how many more international series do we think he has left in him? As for KP, i'm not sure that he's in the right mind frame. I personally believe England don't have the balls to ever tell him that his time is up, and it'll be a bit like Punter in the sense of he'll decide when it is the "right" time to call it quits, but I don't see KP doing that anytime. I have to admit i'm a little bit gutted that Finny hasn't been given a chance in the last Test as I think he is the future of the English bowling attack!
A question for county cricket followers, who are the main cricketers who are taking/scoring stacks of wickets/runs?
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Bailey and the Aussies showing a lack of class just now when ballance was hit on the helmet. Good sportsmanship there !! Tossers
He was clearly not hurt. should they hold his hand? only tossers are the dick head poms on this site.... i dont know why this is such a shock to you, its only normality reasserting....sun rises in the east...australia beat england (or should I say league of nations) at cricket....its the natural order of things.
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Hmmm awp, while I'm the first to say duck me, we're Shiite, the natural order of things would have Windies well ahead of both England and Australia. I'd class them as the first of the great dynasties.
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Think people just need to chill out and realise it's a game. No need call us "dick head poms" hey. Not sure what is wrong with England playing the likes of Stokes. Made to move when his Father came over here when he was younger, played all age group English cricket etc.
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He was clearly not hurt. should they hold his hand? only tossers are the dick head poms on this site.... i dont know why this is such a shock to you, its only normality reasserting....sun rises in the east...australia beat england (or should I say league of nations) at cricket....its the natural order of things.
You sir are a complete prat.
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You sir are a complete prat.
Go back and read your posts throughout the series and see what you would call your self. prat would flatter you.
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Go back and read your posts throughout the series and see what you would call your self. prat would flatter you.
Sure why not. Then again each thread your involved in has you annoying people. Nice one. I forgot, you know everything though so silly me.
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calm down its only a game!!
whether or not he was hurt it wouldnt kill them to check he was ok, im not saying england have been total saints but the aussies do seem to be a tad thugish, bailey is the most irritating, smug as hell sledging away and done nowt personally, at least the worst of the lot (warner) has scored some runs
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I totally agree. Chill out, its a game in which none of us can have any effect or impact on the result. Relax, have a drink and enjoy the cricket.
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and back to the game, ballance gone
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Nice bit of bowling. England to be 120 ao..
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im not sure we'll get to there!!! 90 ao wouldnt surprise me
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calm down its only a game!!
whether or not he was hurt it wouldnt kill them to check he was ok, im not saying england have been total saints but the aussies do seem to be a tad thugish, bailey is the most irritating, smug as hell sledging away and done nowt personally, at least the worst of the lot (warner) has scored some runs
Your team have brought everything they get on themselves. Funny nothing was said about 'sledging' when you were winning? absolute hypocrites. is your coverage focussing on such because its completely undetectable on channel 9.... PC1982 needs to grow up i onlt ever counter the stupid comments on here. thats the trouble with your team, always, with everything, completely go over the top when you win and massively over react when you loose. The poms in BBL3 arre doing very well, have really enjoyed watching butler, you shouldnt jump off your team.
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Your team have brought everything they get on themselves. Funny nothing was said about 'sledging' when you were winning? absolute hypocrites. is your coverage focussing on such because its completely undetectable on channel 9.... PC1982 needs to grow up i onlt ever counter the stupid comments on here. thats the trouble with your team, always, with everything, completely go over the top when you win and massively over react when you loose. The poms in BBL3 arre doing very well, have really enjoyed watching butler, you shouldnt jump off your team.
If you read back past threads pre ashes you'll find sledging mentioned. It's ok though, you regard it as a stupid comment so it must be as you know everything.
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i don't mind sledging, its part of the game, move on i just think that you should be playing well and winning to sledge, the Aussies deserve to, they've been outstanding, but bailey hasn't performed well enough, i'm not sure he should even be playing.
you've won 1 series, yes its been a massacre, however lets jugde how good this aussie team is when they go away from home, that's the true test of a side!!! got beaten by a poor england side in the summer, and have to face south africa away!!!
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England losing in this fashion allows for far more topics of conversation and talk. It isn't more of going OTT but allows for us to speculate and interact I suppose. The facts are that the English team should be looking at blooding new talent anyway. Look at the Australian team, spent time trying to get Khawaja, Hughes, Cowan, Wade, Pattinson, Starc etc ready for Test cricket.
Buttler, Morgan, Wright & Kieswetter are going well in the BBL.
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Gents it's a game!!
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id like to see this sort of side going forward:
Cook (c)
Robson
Bell
Taylor
Ballance
Stokes (V/C)
Buttler (WK)
Borthwick
Broad
Anderson/Overton
Finn
very young side but not too bad, would mean drastic changes and ending a few careers though
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oh wait forgot about root have him at 1 or 4 depending on how youre feeling at the time it seems
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Handbags comes to mind!
Short term - Taylor, Ballance, Finn should get more of a look in
Long term - Robson (see how he goes again this season), Foakes/Mills if they move from Essex & are actually given a chance, Overton if he continues to impress the right people. Also would like to see how Shiv Thakor develops.
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wouldnt mind seeing how moeen ali goes at test level
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Think a call up to ODI's before hand would be possible first..
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He was clearly not hurt. should they hold his hand? only tossers are the dick head poms on this site.... i dont know why this is such a shock to you, its only normality reasserting....sun rises in the east...australia beat england (or should I say league of nations) at cricket....its the natural order of things.
Wow interesting read fascinating I'm probably one of those poms!
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Stokes bowled...probably about it now.
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The self destruction continues... Siddle on a roll! :)
Well played again though Ben Stokes. Showing the top order how it's done yet again.
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Jimmy Anderson currently reminds me of Will from The Inbetweeners... Zero Penetration!
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He was clearly not hurt. should they hold his hand? only tossers are the dick head poms on this site.... i dont know why this is such a shock to you, its only normality reasserting....sun rises in the east...australia beat england (or should I say league of nations) at cricket....its the natural order of things.
From your behaviour you're, what, thirteen? So really, that'd be 4 series to 2 to us in your living memory!
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A question for county cricket followers, who are the main cricketers who are taking/scoring stacks of wickets/runs?
Not quite as simple as that, there being factors like division, home pitch etc to take into account, but names that have impressed me, done okay statistically and have the relevant tools for international cricket (ie are under 30, and if seamers bowl at above 80mph) would be:
Openers: Sam Robson, Alex Lees (Varun Chopra has scored a sackload of runs but I don't rate his technique for the top table)
Middle Order: Gary Ballance, James Taylor
Spinners: A barren closet - Rashid will not be picked whatever he does, Rafiq is two years away, Kerrigan not quick enough, Briggs not slow enough...
Seamers: Topley at Essex (Mills has wheels but no real idea how to take wickets), Roland-Jones at Middlesex
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Stokes (V/C)
What? Bit soon dontcha think?
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Rashid's time to come into the side been and gone then has it? What's this Lees like? Agree that its way too soon for Stokes to be thought as a VC. It would go to Bell, Broad, Anderson before even considering it.
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Just shut up and play cricket and leave the other team alone as you are irrelevant to them as they are to you :) then everyone is happier as they is no utter rubbish spoken
How do you work that out? How is your opposition irrelevant to you during a match?
And why are you calling Anderson a 'bunny'? He's a tailender number 10, plays as a bowler and would never call himself a batsmen so why are you getting stuck into him?
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Hold on my dad's coming round the corner he is bigger than your dad.
In truth Sledging is normally one of two things.
Your on top they have no answer so they look at alternate ways to get to you
Or your on top and you can say what the hell you want.
Both sides have used it in the past.
I bet they all have a beer together at the end of the series.
Fair play Australia I say they have simply blown us away.
England will be back with players like Ben Stokes around well have our time again.
Player of the series.
Australia tough one either Mitchell or Haddin
England
There can be only one
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Rashid's time to come into the side been and gone then has it? What's this Lees like? Agree that its way too soon for Stokes to be thought as a VC. It would go to Bell, Broad, Anderson before even considering it.
Thats the conclusion that I have sadly come to - which is sad given that he is not yet 26 years of age. There were rumours that he had a bit of an entourage that annoyed the England management, and that he came back from the South Africa tour annoyed at having been treated as a drinks waiter for three months (to whit, having also had his action modified for the worse by Team England) - and he has been ignored by England A this winterm whilst Borthwick has been elevated to the Test side. For Adil, that probably signals no way back - after all, he is the better bat of the two (though Borthwick has improved this last year or so) and, whilst Borthwick has a slightly lower bowling average, there is a massive difference between someone who has been a match winning spinner (17 first class five wicket hauls) and someone whose own county treat as a part timer.
Lees...could be very good in time. Really well organised, solid tecnique, leaves the ball exceptionally well, good range of strokes. I don't go for Boycs assertion that he should be in the England side next year, but in 2-3 years time, I think there might be a case.
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He was clearly not hurt. should they hold his hand? only tossers are the dick head poms on this site.... i dont know why this is such a shock to you, its only normality reasserting....sun rises in the east...australia beat england (or should I say league of nations) at cricket....its the natural order of things.
Seems there has been a fairly heated discussion on here over night......If you can highlight who you are aiming this comment towards then the use of plural would potentially suggest it's a sweeping generalization. I for one take offense to this comment then as I don't think I have ever commented towards you or been as vocal on here as others about many aspects that are discussed.
Australia have outplayed England no question but to resort to childish name calling and belittling the English qualified cricketers is quite frankly pathetic and the nature of this post describes more about your true character than anything else. Comments can always get said in the heat of the moment......such as "sledging" but there seem to be very few English fans with rose tinted spectacles that think they are clearly innocent here. That said the tone of this post is unacceptable for me!
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Seems there has been a fairly heated discussion on here over night......If you can highlight who you are aiming this comment towards then the use of plural would potentially suggest it's a sweeping generalization. I for one take offense to this comment then as I don't think I have ever commented towards you or been as vocal on here as others about many aspects that are discussed.
Australia have outplayed England no question but to resort to childish name calling and belittling the English qualified cricketers is quite frankly pathetic and the nature of this post describes more about your true character than anything else. Comments can always get said in the heat of the moment......such as "sledging" but there seem to be very few English fans with rose tinted spectacles that think they are clearly innocent here. That said the tone of this post is unacceptable for me!
Read the post that I was responding to and see who always starts up.
How's the viewcfrom the soap box?
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The view from the soap box does not make pretty reading to be honest. I've read all of the posts but didn't see any reason for this type of response. You can maintain your level of arrogance on here then as it seems to be where you are most comfortable. I enjoy my time perusing topics on here and the majority of people post in a mature manner. I for one feel disappointed by your post and how it led to an escalation of which others are not so innocent aswell but for me this was the catalyst. Just my opinion of course
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Read the post that I was responding to and see who always starts up.
How's the viewcfrom the soap box?
Hey can you play cricket!!!! You might be able to play for England you talk about a cricketer of nations I guess you must have some pom in you until somebody was naughty.
All tongue in cheek stuff.
It's a game lets keep it about cricket hey manoramic agree about Lees only seen him once he looked good and to be fair to Bairstow he kept quite well and looked the part.
Plenty of positives can come ou of all of this new faces and a new start.
Exciting times I would say
Roll on the woman ashes lets see the girls go at it again and the one Day series
The urn has gone by we will get it back one day
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Awp - you really need to tone it down and respect the fact that people have the right to an opinion - scatter gun name calling is not acceptable. I don't see any English fans calling Aussie fans here (neither would that be acceptable either) - if you can't contribute to the forum in an adult manner, then don't bother contributing at all thanks
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He was clearly not hurt. should they hold his hand? only tossers are the dick head poms on this site.... i dont know why this is such a shock to you, its only normality reasserting....sun rises in the east...australia beat england (or should I say league of nations) at cricket....its the natural order of things.
I think if you feel this way awp then maybe this site isn't for you. This is a UK site which has a wide cultural range, Indian, Pakistani, Romanian, South African, Australian and many more but the majority would be from the UK. I have had disagreements on here with many different people and them also with me. We don't all have to agree on the same views in fact it's good to share each and everyone's different views and ideas, that's how we learn. From all those different disagreements I don't think I have any bad blood with anyone ( well maybe one, sorry fastreddie )
What I am saying here is I think you are way out of line with your comments and should maybe just tone them down a little.
During the ashes I hate all these poms but I admire each and every one of them for their knowledge of the game and/or the industry.
Rant over
Regards
A fellow Aussie
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Hey can you play cricket!!!! You might be able to play for England you talk about a cricketer of nations I guess you must have some pom in you until somebody was naughty.
All tongue in cheek stuff.
It's a game lets keep it about cricket hey manoramic agree about Lees only seen him once he looked good and to be fair to Bairstow he kept quite well and looked the part.
Plenty of positives can come ou of all of this new faces and a new start.
Exciting times I would say
Roll on the woman ashes lets see the girls go at it again and the one Day series
The urn has gone by we will get it back one day
Ha, yes, a lot of pom, no naughtiness though, great grandfather was a general in british army, got sick of shooting natives armed with sticks and settled in oz... you should see the queue now.....some suburbs in perth you will only hear pom accents, kid you not. One maternal gp also a pom came out after the war. Did actually think of doingvthe move and qualifying, wasnt a lot of point of considering a cricket career in wa let alone aust in the 90's.
I posted in the bbl section; can hales play proper cricket? Surely butler keeps no worse than bairstow? Couple of unbelievable ball strikers , do they have test potential?
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Ha, yes, a lot of pom, no naughtiness though, great grandfather was a general in british army, got sick of shooting natives armed with sticks and settled in oz... you should see the queue now.....some suburbs in perth you will only hear pom accents, kid you not. One maternal gp also a pom came out after the war. Did actually think of doingvthe move and qualifying, wasnt a lot of point of considering a cricket career in wa let alone aust in the 90's.
I posted in the bbl section; can hales play proper cricket? Surely butler keeps no worse than bairstow? Couple of unbelievable ball strikers , do they have test potential?
Neither Buttler or Hales have great first class records.
Hales was dropped from the 4 day team last season for his county Notts I'd say the League of Nations member Sam Robson would be next up to open the batting.
As for keeping Kieswetter was keeping in 1st class cricket so Buttler has moved county's for next season to give himself the platform to impress - but his batting stats need to improve (probably prior back in vs Sri Lanka in our next series with Buttler the future keeper).
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During the ashes I hate all these poms but I admire each and every one of them for their knowledge of the game and/or the industry.
I dont hate anyone, let alone people on a forum? Thanks for the sermon anyway. Yawn.
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Neither Buttler or Hales have great first class records.
Hales was dropped from the 4 day team last season for his county Notts I'd say the League of Nations member Sam Robson would be next up to open the batting.
As for keeping Kieswetter was keeping in 1st class cricket so Buttler has moved county's for next season to give himself the platform to impress - but his batting stats need to improve (probably prior back in vs Sri Lanka in our next series with Buttler the future keeper).
Suprising, they look like decent players not merely t20 bashers. Different gsme with slips and the ball not in your half.
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that albions grill was bent far to easy. he's lucky not to have the ball in there with him!
You're kidding right?
The albion helmet has just withstood a 150km/h accurate Mitchell Johnson bouncer. It's done it's job magnificently. Same with Rogers in the MCG test.
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wouldnt mind seeing how moeen ali goes at test level
I agree. He's a far better batsman than Borthwick and doesn't bowl pies! He's come on so much last season, particularly his spin bowling. Goes for very little and regularly gets plenty of wickets.
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It has been also good to watch Steve Smith get some very good runs.
I had major doubts about him as a test player but he has done really well it has to be said.
Needs to stop spitting every two minutes though but he has got some pressure runs
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/707007.html?genre=13 (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/video_audio/707007.html?genre=13)
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By the way nice little plug Healey gave the Ayrtek helmet when Ballance got sconed
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haha what did he say?
just viewing the 3k Aussie fans giving this cricket mem some stick....
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=499156256865555&set=a.463350887112759.1073741828.463321533782361&type=1&theater¬if_t=photo_reply (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=499156256865555&set=a.463350887112759.1073741828.463321533782361&type=1&theater¬if_t=photo_reply)
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He said there were a few types of helmets these days. First he said "there is the Ayrtek which is known for its strength and safety and then there are the Albion and the Masuri".
Funny he never once mentioned Shrey.. Haha
Then he said now Ballance just had to find one to fit his big melon...lol
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nice to be mentioned, I sent Carbs out a new lid as his liner was a bit loose on the one he wore 1st innings.
he said hes happy to sign the other one and plan is to auction it off (will fit a new liner 1st) and donate funds to a designated charity so keep your eyes peeled....eBay prob the best option i guess.
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And yes Healey said Ayrtek not Aditek :D
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nice to be mentioned, I sent Carbs out a new lid as his liner was a bit loose on the one he wore 1st innings.
he said hes happy to sign the other one and plan is to auction it off (will fit a new liner 1st) and donate funds to a designated charity so keep your eyes peeled....eBay prob the best option i guess.
forum silent auction??
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With respect to the forum members I'd like to put it out to a wider audience if possible as it stands the best possible chance of getting a better price....perhaps the Glen McGrath Foundation would be a worthy cause.
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Anybody seeing any positives? Any small crumbs of comfort from this series?
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Anybody seeing any positives? Any small crumbs of comfort from this series?
Ben Stokes.
Things can only get better.
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The only way is up as we hit rock bottom at 26-5 or whatever depths we plunged too.
Something has gone drastically wrong this tour, team spirit seems down (appreciate the 4-0 dicking hasn't helped) but we have nothing to loose in the last game so can play with freedom of expression surely. We seem to have gone back into our shell and are almost scared of heading out to the crease to bat.
The stat that only 5.4% off all balls bowled using the series by England would have got the stumps staggered me. This takes out 2 major ways of getting their batsmen out and leave us to either take the catches or run them out as our best method of taking wickets!
Madness I tells you madness!!!
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Ben Stokes.
Things can only get better.
Possibly but its only three games in for him.
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Nasser made a decent point last night about giving time to players to adjust and prove their worth. He used Monty as an example saying that dropping him showed no faith in him and he would struggle to perform from herein. Once Swann retired, he should have been told he was number one, given a steady run in the series without fearing for his place. Take the pressure of and lets see how he performs.
That applies to all potential players, just used Monty as an example.
Introducing three new debutants is all well and fine but they must be given a consistent run. I'm not sure the England management demonstrate that view.
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Taylor, Compton, Woakes, Patel, Carberry (first time round), Kerrigan, Tredwell are all exnaples of the selectors not really giving people time to bed in.
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Possibly but its only three games in for him.
might only be three games in but he has a test 100 and a 5 for
who else in the england side has got a ton,
only him and broad have 5 fors if im not mistaken
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Taylor, Compton, Woakes, Patel, Carberry (first time round), Kerrigan, Tredwell are all exnaples of the selectors not really giving people time to bed in.
Agreed - compare and contract the treatment of Cook - who has had some shaky spells, not least before the last visit to Australia - but has been given the same slot come hell and high water, and that offered to Root (the human yo-yo), Bairstow (the guy who gets one knock every three months) and, yes, Compton (two failures? begone with you)
Successful sides - and in this you can look at the Australian and West Indian hegemonies, Vaughan and Strauss's England sides and the one Clarke has built - pick their players and give them a run, even if it looks like they might be struggling. Players are dropped when its clear and almost irrefutable that they need to be.
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With respect to the forum members I'd like to put it out to a wider audience if possible as it stands the best possible chance of getting a better price....perhaps the Glen McGrath Foundation would be a worthy cause.
That's a good call I think Tom.
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Can't believe root was left out...I only hope it's being used as a one off wake up call to get him to really knuckle down and hopefully push on to be the player mist of us think he is capable of being.
I worry for Balance, his footwork is virtually non existent.
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Batted Buck!
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Well batted Chris Rodgers. Excellent series.
England looking very tame. Not good for borthwicks confidence that they have gone to pietersen first.
Disappointed in cooks captaincy more and more.
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Agree why pick him and not give him a good long bowl? It's not like we were ever going to win this game after the batters piss poor effort so let him bowl. Not as if KP is bowling well short and wide with the odd full ball that grips and turns.
Really don't understand what cook is trying to achieve.
Well batted Rogers, great batsmen and ones across as a very nice bloke also.
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Was that Bailey's last test innings??
I think he's shown potential without getting huge scores, but it will be interesting to see if the selectors stick with him.
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Was that Bailey's last test innings??
I think he's shown potential without getting huge scores, but it will be interesting to see if the selectors stick with him.
Lets hope so.
He was never upto test class in the first place.
The problem was/is that there were 3 shield fixtures prior to the first test, and no one really made a case for selection ( other than phil hughes and marcus north). Baileys odi form (admittedly on indian pitches yielding 700 runs per game) was so compelling the selectors had no choice, unless they wanted to make a call on someone and take a punt.
Similarly, with bbl3 in full swing, theres no shield games prior to departure for sa.
We're still a batter short.
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Crap ball wicket. Crap ball wicket.
Bit off leg spin brings rewards. He's like the old swann. Wicket his first over........
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Aside from two charity wickets, Borthwick's looked even worst than Tahir...
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Ha! Stokes gave johnson a send off!
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No need for stokes little dig at Johnson. You've been thrashed this series and he got out messing around!! Hardly worth celebrating let alone a send off.. Concentrate on your game!
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Ha! Stokes gave johnson a send off!
I sure Johnson's 150kph rockets will shut Stokes up...
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Hope Johnson runs through them again, ping Stokes a few times too! Give a bloke a send off when your 400 runs behind haha nice work clown.
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Good to see some fire. Hes been thrashed, but doesnt have to like it. Might be thinking 'what did I do that for' later today......
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So everyone is moaning England don't care and aren't putting any fight into their game. Stokes shows he's got fire in his belly and it's "unnecessary"
Make your minds up!
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Aside from two charity wickets, Borthwick's looked even worst than Tahir...
Yep, those 2 plus bryce mcgain would be the worst leggies in living memory
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So everyone is moaning England don't care and aren't putting any fight into their game. Stokes shoes he's got fire in his belly and it's "unnecessary"
Make your minds up!
Gobbing off isn't showing fight. I'd rather they showed fight with bat and ball.. Might win a game then.. Well, not get thrashed at least :(
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So everyone is moaning England don't care and aren't putting any fight into their game. Stokes shows he's got fire in his belly and it's "unnecessary"
Make your minds up!
Stokes' send off to Johnson would be the equivalent of scoring a goal when your side is 0-5 down and getting it to the crowd...moronic.
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Yep, those 2 plus bryce mcgain would be the worst leggies in living memory
Nearly forgot about McGain!
Post Warne, Kumble and MacGill, leg spin seems to have died.
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The Cricket Show seems to have an interesting section today, they're getting in Spartans Bat maker wonder what he'll have to say. Does anyone know who makes Clarke's bats these days though ?
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The Cricket Show seems to have an interesting section today, they're getting in Spartans Bat maker wonder what he'll have to say. Does anyone know who makes Clarke's bats these days though ?
Wasn't overly exciting! Anyone heard of him before?
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Nice wickets for Borthwick... ;)
Well looks like England will have 2.5 days to get 400-odd. Half a chance???
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Nice wickets for Borthwick... ;)
Well looks like England will have 2.5 days to get 400-odd. Half a chance???
If you buy a ticket, you can win the raffle...
I'd expect England to get 250 max though.
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Nearly forgot about McGain!
Post Warne, Kumble and MacGill, leg spin seems to have died.
Probably the hardest skill in cricket
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Probably the hardest skill in cricket
Totally agree mate.
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Nice wickets for Borthwick... ;)
Well looks like England will have 2.5 days to get 400-odd. Half a chance???
Poor buggers have got nothing left. Its pretty feeble now, they're hoping for a quick death.....
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Lyon no average for the series.
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Totally agree mate.
Crickets version of jedi knights......
Powers beyond comprehension of mere mortals. Wasnt long ago that every aussie kid wanted to be shane warne or brett lee, shows how special true quicks and leggies are.
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I want to say upfront im not keen on the aussie method today. With 2 more days to play, whats the urgency? Sure, keep going at 4 an over as they have all series, but t20stylecwas unnecessary imo. Make the poms bowl all day and make ghem chase 600 with no chance. No doubt Australia will win, maybe today even, but why risk kp, bell getting a sniff..
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can we just focus on sri lanka yet?
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Well 1 down already... This might end on Day 3.
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what just happened to Carberrys bat :o
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:D :D :D :D Carberry caught out...broken Kookabura is actually a Grey Nicholls. Haddin shouted it into the stump mic!!!
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seen bats snap, but thats a first!!
another kahuna snapping in 2:
Batsman breaks cricket bat hitting a boundary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlpUxTHO-Pc#ws)
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Well 1 down already... This might end on Day 3.
Cook has been a real flop. Again.... in 5 ashes series hes only averaged better than 30 once. Add to that his disastrous captaincy and its not much chop despite his unreal overall record.
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Well that was a first! Proper breakage.
Loved haddins comment!
Kp failed!
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Might get an early night tonight at this rate. Nice catch though.
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Well that was a first! Proper breakage.
Loved haddins comment!
Kp failed!
Thats the funniest bat break ive ever seen, never seen one bresk like that.
Ive been supporting carberry on here all series, I hope he gets a decent score.
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First ball after tea. That is a crazy crazy shot selection from Carberry :o
Heads gone.
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and now the club spinner has got one
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Oh dear....... this pom side not only will suffer the rare indignation of being obliterated and beaten 5 zipp, but the only ashes team on either side to loose all 100 wickets in a series.
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make that 2 in 3 balls to the club spinner
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England really are a broken team. Dreadful
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and now the club spinner has got one
2 :D
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Ha, we cant post as quick as the poms are loosing wickets......
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When it's all said and done for Nathan Lyon, he'll had 300+ Test wicket @ under 30.
'Club spinner'? I think not.
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mate I'm just taking the piss out of one the English fans on here who maintained Nathan Lyon is a club spinner
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oh yeah also forget that Mitchell Johnson isn't bowling as well as his average suggests.
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mate I'm just taking the piss out of one the English fans on here who maintained Nathan Lyon is a club spinner
Sorry mate didn't realise you're Australian!
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no worriws. Stokes just treated him like a clubbie spinner.
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At least we are seeing some shots being played...the last stand ;)
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All over. >:(
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5 ZIP!!!
That is all :)
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Awesome.
Who would have thought that by the end of the series the poms cant even bat for 2 sessions. What a rabble.
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Congratulations and well done to Australia, you well and truly deserved not only the series win but the Whitewash. Keep that urn safe for us, we'll be back.. eventually.
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Not even 3 days. Pretty much rock bottom...
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This series has seen the brutal dismembering of English cricket in a way that none of us on either side could have predicted.
Darren Lehmann exhorted the Australian public into a secular Jihad and the Aussie bowlers have responded with a display that reminded me of the Windies at their peak.
Only one English batsman (Stokes) averaged above 30 for this series. Remarkable.
The much laughed at Australian batting line up included:
Rogers - 2 centuries
Warner - 2 centuries and an 80 odd not out
Watson - 1 century and an 80 odd not out
Clarke - 2 centuries
Smith - 2 centuries
Bailey - flop
Haddin - most runs by a wicket keeper in Ashes history
Decimation...there is no other word for it.
I seem to recall not that long ago (circa October 2011) that when I responded that Australia had deep reserves of fast bowling talent, aside from the usual guffaws of laughter that it drew around here, I was told in no uncertain terms by a much respected poster around here (don't get me wrong, I like this guy), that "whatever fast bowlers Australia have, England has more and better" (or words to that effect)
This cannot be brushed off like when the Pakistan annihilation at the hands of Ajmal was dismissed as some kind of fluke or Pakistani trickery. This cuts to the very core of English cricket and many will never play test cricket for England again.
But that is a discussion for another day....today is all about redemption, where blokes like Johnson, Haddin and Smith - massive targets of the Moron Army and mentally retarded Andy Flintoff exacted revenger in the most impressive manner possible.
In the immortal words of Bjørge Lillelien:
"Lord Nelson, Lord Beaverbrook, Sir Winston Churchill, Sir Anthony Eden, Clement Attlee, Henry Cooper, Lady Diana--we have beaten them all. We have beaten them all. Maggie Thatcher can you hear me? Maggie Thatcher, I have a message for you in the middle of the election campaign. I have a message for you: We have knocked England out of the football World Cup. Maggie Thatcher, as they say in your language in the boxing bars around Madison Square Garden in New York: Your boys took a hell of a beating! Your boys took a hell of a beating!"
Norway 2 England 1 1981 Commentary (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqZTP8-8wIs#)
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Does anyone have a video of Haddin's comment about the Carberry bat breakage? Really keen to see it, I was out.
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As per VN, I can't recall a more vociferous, parochial, almost blood-thirsty Australian public before in my time. We've always wanted to win the Ashes, but never has it been like this. We've done a number on them, but the signs were there in England. We did expose England's frail top-order, but Bell papered over those cracks with some brilliant innings at five. Mitchell Johnson roughed up a few, most notably Trott, in the ODI series that followed the Tests, and you just thought if Mitch could get it right that his pace would trouble them on Australian pitches, but I didn't expect what transpired at all. 37 wickets at 14 is just insane, but the damage he did psychologically to England's batsmen, the rough stuff against the tail, general hostility and aggression, it unsettled the Poms to a point where after Brisbane there was only one result this series. Harris, Lyon and Siddle deserve credit for the grunt work they put in, almost as holding/containment bowlers, which sounds a little disrespectful but they were tidy, bowled dry lines, made it difficult to score and hold up an end whilst Mitch blew them away at the other. Watson also bowled some important spells during the series.
The other hatchet job was to make Swann a non-factor, to the point where he quit mid-series. Aside from the openers, the rest of the top seven were all right-handed and good players of spin. It doesn't turn as much over here, the wickets are harder and flatter, they went at him and hit him out of the attack. He didn't take bags of wickets and was also expensive. Anderson too was useless, as he is when it doesn't swing or move off the pitch, and the 3rd seamer was a horror show. Tremlett bowled medium pace, Bresnan was not physically ready given his injury issues, Rankin was wayward and Finn, what happened to him? All up it was a comprehensive annihilation, the nature of all the defeats morale shattering.
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Would've been keen to get that woeful team down in NZ at the moment. I thought we were bad pfffft you Poms were atrocious.
Looking forward to watching the Aussies in SA next month.
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Does anyone have a video of Haddin's comment about the Carberry bat breakage? Really keen to see it, I was out.
I think Haddin was saying it tongue in cheek seeing as he is sponsored by Kook as well
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is this repairable?
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2005548/australia-claims-series-whitewash/?cs=6#slide=4 (http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2005548/australia-claims-series-whitewash/?cs=6#slide=4)
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Where are you from Wooly?
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Newcastle mate, what about yourself?
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Haha Newcastle
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mate I'm just taking the piss out of one the English fans on here who maintained Nathan Lyon is a club spinner
He is a club spinner, pure and simple - as evidenced by 9 overs for 70 today against a weak and demoralised batting line up!
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He is a club spinner, pure and simple - as evidenced by 9 overs for 70 today against a weak and demoralised batting line up!
What does that make anderson then? Lyon took more wickets than all poms bar broad.
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Yeah but he bowled at more rabbits, so the stats are skewed....
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That's a ridiculous statement, 70 runs today scored by blokes having a swing wanting to get it over with under no pressure. Joe Root would be a good example of a club spinner, Lyon is miles ahead of that.
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What does that make anderson then? Lyon took more wickets than all poms bar broad.
You don't really get the rules of evidence do you? On the limited statistical sample of a disaster tour for England, there are comparisons. You find me any evidence that Lyon is anything more than a clubbie beyond his (actually very limited) returns in this series...
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rules of evidence?? It's a game not a court room mate. Not many club spinners take 100 test wickets. So who in your view is a test match standard spinner?
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You don't really get the rules of evidence do you? On the limited statistical sample of a disaster tour for England, there are comparisons. You find me any evidence that Lyon is anything more than a clubbie beyond his (actually very limited) returns in this series...
Talking about this current series, what about that is difficult for you to understand.
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Some people are a little bit touchy these days hey...
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awp is in particular riding down the tattered poms and skewering them on his posting lance!
And he has the power of righteous victory and moral indignation on his side - every perceived slight and every bantering comment directed at the Aussies is being ruthlessly persecuted!
We poms don't stand a chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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rules of evidence?? It's a game not a court room mate. Not many club spinners take 100 test wickets. So who in your view is a test match standard spinner?
Evidence - as in, can you provide evidence to back up the banal statements made thus far? Because I have seen precious little.
Lyon is a clubbie, and the sensitive reaction of Australian fans to having that fact pointed out to them shows that they know it too. His record in Test cricket shows it - precious few top order wickets, poor performances when gifted spinning tracks that ought to have assisted him, consistently outbowled by opposing spinners...
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Don't think you can claim Lyon was out bowled by England spinners this series. I think clubbie is harsh. He's shown that he deserves a place over the likes of Agar and Doherty. I don't think anyone claims he's world class, but he does the job Australia need him to do
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Evidence - as in, can you provide evidence to back up the banal statements made thus far? Because I have seen precious little.
Lyon is a clubbie, and the sensitive reaction of Australian fans to having that fact pointed out to them shows that they know it too. His record in Test cricket shows it - precious few top order wickets, poor performances when gifted spinning tracks that ought to have assisted him, consistently outbowled by opposing spinners...
I'd be checking some of the scalps Lyon has under his belt.
Evidence:
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Sehwag
Tendulker
Laxman
Kohli
Amla
Smith
Kallis
You could also add Chanderpaul and Alviro Petersen to the list if you like.
Ok Dave... And Pujara :D
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Completely disrespectful to call Lyon a club player. He's no Murali, but he is a very good off-spinner with a decent record, averages low 30s which is perfectly adequate for a finger spinner who doesn't throw it, and who took 19 wickets for the series at a tick under 30. I don't know which Einstein came up with the theory that his bowling today, 2/70 off 9, was evidence of this. Yeah he copped some tap, but it was all in "junk time", a bit of slap and giggle before the inevitable.
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I rate Lyon as a spinner. Has a strong repeatable action. Gets good action on the ball producing drift and turn. He may not always have luck on his side but as Australia grow and continue to perform well chances are his performances will rise aswell. We can't judge his figures today as an accurate reflection of his ability to bowl.
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Lyon has improved vastly since entering the test food. He's no great spinner and against a batting line up with form and confidence he'd be minced. However, he's been very good for the Aussies in defensive bowling. England have gifted him rabbit wickets this series though but for me smith still looks more clubby than Lyon. Still, he out bowled the great swann (without the gobbing off!) and smith has out batted... Umm well the England top 6 together probably!!
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An overall embarrasing tour for england and great news for aussies going forward. However both teams are going to have to rebuild. Rogers, Harris, Haddin, Mitch and to an extent Clarke if his back problems continue dont have a long time left at all. And unfortunetly for australia that is the core of their team. England have serious issuies though and i think they lie in the camp, maybe a new coach would help. I also think i new captain would but imho we cant because we havent got a replacement that will do a better job. As for the debuts for this test they havent done anything to impress although i do like ballence and it think he has something about him. I have suggested this team before the last test
A.Cook (C)
J.Root
J.Trott (presuming he feels that he is fine to be playing test cricket again)
KP
I.Bell (VC)
S.Davies (WK)
B.Stokes
C.Woakes
S.Broad
J.Anderson (replaced when time is right)
S.Kerrigan
and i still think that would be a good team if we stuck with it for a year or so. However the more i think about it the more i doubt trotts return to cricket so i would suggest ballence coming in and going down to 5 and bell at 3. Im afraid i dont rate rankin or borthwick at all i much prefer finn and kerrigan.
Fair play to the aussies they have deserved this whitewash no doubt about it, theyve out bowled out batted and out feilded us for every ball of the game and as im sure us poms celebrated when we won the ashes i have no problem them celebrating in the same fashion . We will be back though ;)
p.s can we please stop calling lyon a clubbie as although he is no shane warne i would rather have had him than any english bowler on this tour :)
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Watching it off record. KP just out. These guys are embarrassing! No effort at all.
Might have to revise him as the one to remain post series. Cook too. Bells was sloppy as well.
Carbs gray-Nicolls bat breaking was amusing!
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Evidence - as in, can you provide evidence to back up the banal statements made thus far? Because I have seen precious little.
Lyon is a clubbie, and the sensitive reaction of Australian fans to having that fact pointed out to them shows that they know it too. His record in Test cricket shows it - precious few top order wickets, poor performances when gifted spinning tracks that ought to have assisted him, consistently outbowled by opposing spinners...
Very harsh although to be fair the Comp he plays as a clubbie his club side would take on and beat some county sides.
Have you ever played against a city first grade side.
I have there better than our county 2nd elevens by a long way.
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humiliation for England.... Didnt rate Lyon as high before but now he proved that he is a world class spinner...
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I rate Lyon as a spinner. Has a strong repeatable action.
What? The one he lost so badly in the second test that Warne was ripping him to shreds for it on commentary?
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England need to look at the club system in Australia.
Problem for counties like Lancashire and Yorkshire there not enough feeder systems leagues are spread and no coordination.
If you have not made it by the time your 24 in England your finished.
In Australia if you have a good season top city grade you will get a chance..
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Very harsh although to be fair the Comp he plays as a clubbie his club side would take on and beat some county sides.
Have you ever played against a city first grade side.
I have there better than our county 2nd elevens by a long way.
I have, and whilst some are very good, they are not quite county standard, though if you would be more comfortable with me calling Lyon a county 2s bowler then I'll compromise there! ;)
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England need to look at the club system in Australia.
Problem for counties like Lancashire and Yorkshire there not enough feeder systems leagues are spread and no coordination.
If you have not made it by the time your 24 in England your finished.
In Australia if you have a good season top city grade you will get a chance..
I can't comment on the Aussie leagues until next year but I do think our system here is flawed. Not entirely sure how you can fix it but I'd start by not just concentrating on a few clubs and having kids used as cash cows
The ECB gave money to a newly built school, towards their indoor hall ( guessing there is a reason for it??).. It's shockingly crap. The bounce is tennis ball and it's horrible. Why are they wasting money on multi sport halls and school ones at that. Would be much better to build purpose built indoor cricket centres and then run all the different indoor stuff there and courses etc
So if I use glos as the example, I'd have special indoor centres in cheltenham, gloucster, Tewkesbury, stroud and Bristol. That way you cover the county and so the clubs have a high class facility to use (rent lanes out to them for pre season etc but for respectable prices not rip off!!)
The boards could put investments into clubs training nets, wickets etc to raise the standards of wickets ( everyone enjoys playing on better looking and playing grounds!) and help clubs to become integral parts of their area rather than just clubs. I'd rather they did that then keep paying all these 'coaches' they seem to pay a fortune for. Oh, and stop giving grants to the big clubs who have enough money themselves!
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I have, and whilst some are very good, they are not quite county standard, though if you would be more comfortable with me calling Lyon a county 2s bowler then I'll compromise there! ;)
Who have you played for in Aussie mate???.
Basically first grade city comp is basically professional mate.
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England need to look at the club system in Australia.
Problem for counties like Lancashire and Yorkshire there not enough feeder systems leagues are spread and no coordination.
If you have not made it by the time your 24 in England your finished.
In Australia if you have a good season top city grade you will get a chance..
I do rather tend to agree on this point; English club cricket, whilst often of a very good standard, can be too parochial and there are too many situation in which clubs are sustained by two or three quality all rounders who do the bulk of everything, rather than a situation where the best congregate together and play the best week in week out. The Premier League structure was supposed to resolve this but there were problems from the start getting sides to sign up, which have become worse with a couple of the leagues dissembling recently.
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Who have you played for in Aussie mate???.
Basically first grade city comp is basically professional mate.
Didn't say I'd played for them, said I'd played against them!
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I played against Manly and although i have spent most of my cricketing time in either a Prem or League 1 they where different class.
County 2nd eleven nowadays are just full of overpriviliged kids with the odd smutter of talent but the standard is not as strong as wepl or the middlesex prem in my opinion.
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I played against Manly and although i have spent most of my cricketing time in either a Prem or League 1 they where different class.
County 2nd eleven nowadays are just full of overpriviliged kids with the odd smutter of talent but the standard is not as strong as wepl or the middlesex prem in my opinion.
So why bother with a seconds ? Why don't the counties put effort in to find the true talent out there?
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Like football for the odd one to make it.
The standard is not as good as people would have thought.
How many people out there know of really good players who for what ever reason never quite made it but at club level and decent club level are a class above.
In England your finished if you have not made it or are a late developer.
Like football i think we have too many professional county sides and we should have more semi professional Leagues and a proper feeder system.
It is currently too diluted.
And coaching at the eliminatory level in this county is too stolic.
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So how do you stop teams being carried? Do you restrict bowlers to less overs ?? ( which although I understand why, I think that hinders development of a bowler and makes it easier for batsmen). Do you truly stamp out paying players maybe? To try and stop people playing below their level? (Won't work as people will find ways to pay that you can't see or prove)
Do you play more 50 over draw cricket again? To promote teams to having to have both batting and bowling rather than just batting or the odd bowler and forcing batsmen to slog and get out? (Although I love playing draw cricket it seems not as many do, they prefer win/lose as it forces batsmen into shots and gives more easy wickets)..
Do you create less top divisions but widen the net for each of these?? (Too much travelling puts people off so you end up losing talent and players from the game)
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Like football for the odd one to make it.
The standard is not as good as people would have thought.
How many people out there know of really good players who for what ever reason never quite made it but at club level and decent club level are a class above.
In England your finished if you have not made it or are a late developer.
Like football i think we have too many professional county sides and we should have more semi professional Leagues and a proper feeder system.
It is currently too diluted.
And coaching at the eliminatory level in this county is too stolic.
I agree 100% with you tbh fella. I went through the YtS stuff in football and it was a joke, most of us there weren't good enough and were never going to be yet nearly all the lads gained egos the size of Africa about their ability. Yeah most now get paid to play but it's stupid really as they'd play for free if you took away the cash !!
Less top teams would be good. How do you fix the normal leagues though? (From ECB prem to div 285)
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At the basic club level there a north/south divide.
I will use Lancashire as a example.
Because of club and league prestige the divide in Lancshire is amazing they have at top level.
Central Lancashire League
Northern Lancashire League
The Lancashire League
Bolton Assos
Bolton League
Machester Comp
Liverpool Comp
Ribblesdale League
Saddleworth League
Thats just off the top of my head there are many more lower leagues and same standard leagues.
Look at the WEPL set up it all geared to a funnel to the top there is a natural order which there should be so talent players become more identifiable.
The dilution in quality in the Lancashire and what i have seen in Yorkshire because "prestige" clubs don't want to play league 2 OR 5.
I would being the cricket boards into line in a tier system not including in 2nd elevens there would be a local base model there.
I would make the premier leagues of them feeders more semi professional and before people tell me there not the money 90 per cent i would have thought in them leagues already pay players.
County structure make less games and teams picked from the premier Leagues in terms of performance.
People would find there natural level with county wide comps at 1st eleven standard and local comps for 2nd xi and juniors set ups.
But it would have to be taken on board county wide not just in the South.
Sorry it has gone off topic i guess it relates to the talent where bringing through though.
Surely it is simple get the best players play against each other more often the county Board's system is not doing that.
Late developers in England are punished for this.
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He is a club spinner, pure and simple - as evidenced by 9 overs for 70 today against a weak and demoralised batting line up!
Your (No Swearing Please) must really be hurting.
Have you ever swallowed castor oil?
This defeat would taste pretty similar to you.
When the game was there to be won or lost, Lyon had 2 wickets for 7 runs. The meaningless junk time runs from Stokes and Broad were garnered when there was absolutely no pressure as they knew they had no hope of either winning or saving the game. So easy to bat in those circumstances because you are not nervous about cocking up.
I would love to know who all these other spinners are who have out-bowled Lyon in the past? Swan? HAHAHAAHA....the Aussies practiced their golf swings on him.
I love how you have shifted your focus away from Mitch Johnson and Steve Smith, both of whom gave you a jolly rogering.
Keep clutching at straws pal, one day you may have enough of them to get a clue!
Kindest Regards,
Vic
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My granddad said you learn more in Defeat England have alot to learn and they will.
No point in gloating as you know in Sport things change quick.
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You don't really get the rules of evidence do you? On the limited statistical sample of a disaster tour for England, there are comparisons. You find me any evidence that Lyon is anything more than a clubbie beyond his (actually very limited) returns in this series...
Dare to think what Bairstow, Ballance, Root and Bresnan are then?
Village green cricketers?
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Dare to think what Bairstow, Root and Bresnan are then?
Village green cricketers?
At best! Balance not so sure.
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Just finished watching all 32 overs of it.. I'm not sure there are words to describe this England set up.
Hopefully the women's set up isn't as poor but I suspect behind the scenes it is. Hopefully they'll win though or at least play well.
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It's the players who have been spineless. What can the coaches conceivably do? It's the selectors and culture that is the problem. So head coach and selectors are to blame I reckon. They need to pick someone who can stand up for the team, against flower c.
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Whoever is coaching Finn.. Fire them
Whoever is coaching any batsmen.. Fire them
Whoever is analysing our bowling sees.. Fire them as they've not picked up on bowling too short
plus, whoever didn't pick up the fact tremlett wasn't as fast now as he was needs firing too
Just smells of sloppiness and 'I can't be fired' types.
Just wish pros and the management could be hurt but they can't and won't. This was bad, v v v bad. At least 2006/7 there were genuine reasons and against a great side!!
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Dare to think what Bairstow, Ballance, Root and Bresnan are then?
Village green cricketers?
Pretty harsh.
Root averaged nearly 38 in England. Had the second highest individual innings score. Best bowling average. Second best strike rate and third most economical bowler.
Broad and Stokes showed how to bat, and I bet this is how the Saffers will against the Aussie attack. It will be a lot more difficult tobowl to a strong, confident SA team than a demoralised and defeated England team.
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Pretty harsh.
Root averaged nearly 38 in England. Had the second highest individual innings score. Best bowling average. Second best strike rate and third most economical bowler.
Broad and Stokes showed how to bat, and I bet this is how the Saffers will against the Aussie attack. It will be a lot more difficult tobowl to a strong, confident SA team than a demoralised and defeated England team.
Are you for real?
Root's bowling stats are meaningless. He bowled what under 30 overs?
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Hell I love my cricket but some people need to stop looking at crickinfo all the time.
Root will come good .
Do you actually play cricket Gerry mate talk about kit sometimes maybe ??
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Are you for real?
Root's bowling stats are meaningless. He bowled what under 30 overs?
i agree roots bowling stats are meaningless gerry, he is underused in my opinion, but he is not a village cricketer. He has showed enough to prove he will be a very good test quality batsman
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Hell I love my cricket but some people need to stop looking at crickinfo all the time.
Root will come good .
Do you actually play cricket Gerry mate talk about kit sometimes maybe ??
Not since in the last 3 years. Dodgy knee and battered ankle... :(
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Funny thing is with roots bowling, It isn't that bad, don't get me wrong, I am not proclaiming he's world class. He's far from. But he doesn't seem to ball as many bad balls and moon balls as some of the actual spinners that were bought in.
But what baffles me is that he is used by England at all, as when i played against him at club level(4times) he never bowled once!
Si how can England rate him? But collegiate not.
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Anyone hear the aussies saying Carberrys bat is a Gray Nic when it broke - any truth in it?
Michael Carberry Bat snaps In Two (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMg2IXN_tv4#noexternalembed-ws)
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Anyone hear the aussies saying Carberrys bat is a Gray Nic when it broke - any truth in it?
Michael Carberry Bat snaps In Two ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMg2IXN_tv4#noexternalembed-ws[/url])
I think it was a joke.
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Dare to think what Bairstow, Ballance, Root and Bresnan are then?
Village green cricketers?
With Bairstow on current form you might be right. Balance, given and maturity will be a decent player though never remarkable, whilst Root and Bresnan have already achieved plenty thanks.
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At the basic club level there a north/south divide.
I will use Lancashire as a example.
Because of club and league prestige the divide in Lancshire is amazing they have at top level.
Central Lancashire League
Northern Lancashire League
The Lancashire League
Bolton Assos
Bolton League
Machester Comp
Liverpool Comp
Ribblesdale League
Saddleworth League
Thats just off the top of my head there are many more lower leagues and same standard leagues.
Look at the WEPL set up it all geared to a funnel to the top there is a natural order which there should be so talent players become more identifiable.
The dilution in quality in the Lancashire and what i have seen in Yorkshire because "prestige" clubs don't want to play league 2 OR 5.
I would being the cricket boards into line in a tier system not including in 2nd elevens there would be a local base model there.
I would make the premier leagues of them feeders more semi professional and before people tell me there not the money 90 per cent i would have thought in them leagues already pay players.
County structure make less games and teams picked from the premier Leagues in terms of performance.
People would find there natural level with county wide comps at 1st eleven standard and local comps for 2nd xi and juniors set ups.
But it would have to be taken on board county wide not just in the South.
Sorry it has gone off topic i guess it relates to the talent where bringing through though.
Surely it is simple get the best players play against each other more often the county Board's system is not doing that.
Late developers in England are punished for this.
Have been saying this for years, going right back to being a kid in Yorkshire. There are a number of reasons for it - wanting to cut own travelling, play local rivals etc, but too much of it comes down to the desire to be a big fish in a small pond rather than playing like for like. This used to be particularly evident when I was at Lancaster - our league had its own North South divide, with half the league running away because they paid players and brought in top notch overseas (we had Mark Boucher FFS) whilst the other half got whupped most weeks.
I accept that Yorkshire and, to a lesser extent, Lancashire are difficult because of their sheer geographical size and the number of players playing, but there has to be a better structure than the one currently in place.
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Anyone hear the aussies saying Carberrys bat is a Gray Nic when it broke - any truth in it?
Michael Carberry Bat snaps In Two ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMg2IXN_tv4#noexternalembed-ws[/url])
Yeah i heard it. Haddin shouted it into the stump Mike...and David Gower sent the Kookabura media PR team reaching for the medicine cabinets by making it clear to everybody what he had said.
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Have been saying this for years, going right back to being a kid in Yorkshire. There are a number of reasons for it - wanting to cut own travelling, play local rivals etc, but too much of it comes down to the desire to be a big fish in a small pond rather than playing like for like. This used to be particularly evident when I was at Lancaster - our league had its own North South divide, with half the league running away because they paid players and brought in top notch overseas (we had Mark Boucher FFS) whilst the other half got whupped most weeks.
I accept that Yorkshire and, to a lesser extent, Lancashire are difficult because of their sheer geographical size and the number of players playing, but there has to be a better structure than the one currently in place.
Well, with Yorkshire, there is the Yorkshire League, which has a few teams of varying standard. The most shocking is there is no way i to it for other teams, even when some are getting whipped every week.
The 2nd teams for these clubs are varying standards too. Example York II in YDSCL Prem, Scarboro in Div 1 or 2 Castleford in Div 5 or 6. The back-up players are of totally different standards.
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Well, with Yorkshire, there is the Yorkshire League, which has a few teams of varying standard. The most shocking is there is no way i to it for other teams, even when some are getting whipped every week.
The 2nd teams for these clubs are varying standards too. Example York II in YDSCL Prem, Scarboro in Div 1 or 2 Castleford in Div 5 or 6. The back-up players are of totally different standards.
I think there is some politics in that - when the YPL was formed many of the teams who were approached said thanks but no thanks - albeit rather less politely, and as a result the league took what it was offered and stuck in its ways. It seems to me - and I state here that apart from one season umpiring in said league when it first started and I was crocked, I am going on hearsay here - that there are two or three sides who should not be anywhere near the top table, alongside three or four who would annihilate more or less any club side in the country. At the same time, there are elites within the YSL, Bradford, Huddersfield, AW leagues who should be looking o step up to that level but can't.
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I think there is some politics in that - when the YPL was formed many of the teams who were approached said thanks but no thanks - albeit rather less politely, and as a result the league took what it was offered and stuck in its ways. It seems to me - and I state here that apart from one season umpiring in said league when it first started and I was crocked, I am going on hearsay here - that there are two or three sides who should not be anywhere near the top table, alongside three or four who would annihilate more or less any club side in the country. At the same time, there are elites within the YSL, Bradford, Huddersfield, AW leagues who should be looking o step up to that level but can't.
There are a number of teams in the YDSCL who continually outshine the others. The Vale league is the same (albeit quite a bit lower standard).
The difference is the Bradford League is mainly professionals, where other leagues are still quite amateur. It seems to be a big miss-mash of differing levels/standards.
I think a decent pyramid structure would help sort a lot of this out.
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awp is in particular riding down the tattered poms and skewering them on his posting lance!
And he has the power of righteous victory and moral indignation on his side - every perceived slight and every bantering comment directed at the Aussies is being ruthlessly persecuted!
We poms don't stand a chance!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats an awesome metaphor, im going to use that.
I have only responded to the drivel posted by others. Riding down the poms? Thats not quite right. You blokes do a good enough job of that - isnt there a whole thread dedicated to who should replace cook as captain.... after 1 series loss...
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The final afternoon of the series provided a fitting and murderously swift reminder of exactly how successful Australia's planning had been, and how pre-eminent their bowlers had become. Hardened physiques and alert minds combined to raze England one final time, though with a hint of counterbalance to the rest of the series. The catalyst for the final English death dive was Nathan Lyon, much as he had been for the first one in Brisbane. And the the destroyer of the tail was not Johnson but Harris, finally collecting some cheap wickets to fatten his tally. Clarke, their tactical ringleader, was a fitting taker of the final catch
.He is a club spinner, pure and simple - as evidenced by 9 overs for 70 today against a weak and demoralised batting line up!
Moderator hosk will be after you for baiting, be warned! Above from ci, thought you may like it.
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With Bairstow on current form you might be right. Balance, given and maturity will be a decent player though never remarkable, whilst Root and Bresnan have already achieved plenty thanks.
Achieved plenty? ???
If you reckon Root has achieved plenty, then so has Steve Smith... Pretty similar stats with Smith having an extra 100 and 50, having played only 2 more games...
Bresnan has achieved plenty yet has only one 5-wicket innings haul (best match haul of 8 ) versus "village" Lyon's four 5-wicket hauls (best match haul of 9).
So where is your backup?
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Achieved plenty? ???
If you reckon Root has achieved plenty, then so has Steve Smith... Pretty similar stats with Smith having an extra 100 and 50, having played only 2 more games...
Bresnan has achieved plenty yet has only one 5-wicket innings haul (best match haul of 8 ) versus "village" Lyon's four 5-wicket hauls (best match haul of 9).
So where is your backup?
Don't give manormanic any evidence because his eyes glaze over when evidence is produced and he just passes it by and continues with his unfounded beliefs ;) :D
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Achieved plenty? ???
If you reckon Root has achieved plenty, then so has Steve Smith... Pretty similar stats with Smith having an extra 100 and 50, having played only 2 more games...
Bresnan has achieved plenty yet has only one 5-wicket innings haul (best match haul of 8 ) versus "village" Lyon's four 5-wicket hauls (best match haul of 9).
So where is your backup?
For the stage he is at in his career Root has done very well, both in Test cricket and in the shorter forms of the game. As for Bresnan, we all know that his role is to bowl the hard overs - he rarely if ever sees the new ball or gets a pop at the tailenders - as such, his record stands comparison with most quicks in international cricket. Influential in two Ashes series victories, a key part of the team that got to number one in the world, unbeaten in his first 13 tests - I think that stands as a decent career to date (even if I am skeptical about how much he will add to it)
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Moderator hosk will be after you for baiting, be warned! Above from ci, thought you may like it.
Right after you for trolling, no doubt! :D
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For the stage he is at in his career Root has done very well, both in Test cricket and in the shorter forms of the game. As for Bresnan, we all know that his role is to bowl the hard overs - he rarely if ever sees the new ball or gets a pop at the tailenders - as such, his record stands comparison with most quicks in international cricket. Influential in two Ashes series victories, a key part of the team that got to number one in the world, unbeaten in his first 13 tests - I think that stands as a decent career to date (even if I am skeptical about how much he will add to it)
Don't give manormanic any evidence because his eyes glaze over when evidence is produced and he just passes it by and continues with his unfounded beliefs ;) :D
You're right on the money there Number4! ;)
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For the stage he is at in his career Root has done very well, both in Test cricket and in the shorter forms of the game. As for Bresnan, we all know that his role is to bowl the hard overs - he rarely if ever sees the new ball or gets a pop at the tailenders - as such, his record stands comparison with most quicks in international cricket. Influential in two Ashes series victories, a key part of the team that got to number one in the world, unbeaten in his first 13 tests - I think that stands as a decent career to date (even if I am skeptical about how much he will add to it)
now that is a proper response manormanic, see you can do it. we don't have to agree, but its well thought out and expressed.
I like root, I don't see how he's done well (not against aust at least, yes I do know he made 100, I saw it and thought he batted magnificently on that occassion) but I think picking and dropping kids is complete mismanagement. IF Bell had batted at 3 from Adelaide onwards (AS HE SHOULD HAVE) and root batted at 5, root may well still have been in the side.
I was disappointed with Bresnan this series. However, understand coming straight back from injury into elite level is extremely difficult. you rightly point out that Bresnan is an integral part of the successes of the team. he's a hell of a cricketer.
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Does anyone know who I can contact at the ECB with regards to gaining a refund for my test match tickets to Adelaide and the MCG, and also for my flights over to Aus to support our cricket teams pathetic efforts.
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Nick Maddinson looks a fine talent from limited watching of him could he be brought in.
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Nick Maddinson looks a fine talent from limited watching of him could he be brought in.
Ditto
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take a punt.........MAXWELL.......yes seriously. I think hes a freak with the ability to transcend short form cricket....
someone who refers to himself as the 'Big Show' should never be taken seriously within the Test arena, and I have it on good authority that he is a bell end
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there is a new thread for the Aussie team for SA and multiple threads in dismay about the state of English Cricket. as a result I am going to close this off.
I wish it was just as easy to draw a line under the hideous performances in the ashes... :(