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Equipment => Bats => Bat Making => Topic started by: blonco on January 02, 2014, 01:58:09 PM
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I've been asked for a dozen part made handled clefts which will have been pressed and handles bound. Can anyone supply ? #Ashes
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Handles bound???
do you mean handles fitted only.
what grades do you require?
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If you want the handles bound, id say toy are asking for shoulders to be finished too ??
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I've been asked for a dozen part made handled clefts which will have been pressed and handles bound. Can anyone supply ? #Ashes
speak to Mr H4L
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Sorry I should have been more clear. Handles should be bound with twine and shoulders shaped as mentioned by yoki. Very low grades are required as this is a starting project.
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You're best of having them un-bound and having a roll of binding. You can then shape the shoulders and handle as you like. It's also one of the last things thats done on a bat.
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are you able to get enough tension on them if you wrap them by hand Ryan?
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Yes you can mate..doesn't really matter though. The pva glue shrinks the twine by about 10% so as long as it's hand tight it'll be fine.
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ah ok cool good to know, thanks
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How much should I expect to pay for very low grades of partmades that are bound with shaped shoulders.
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How much should I expect to pay for very low grades of partmades that are bound with shaped shoulders.
Matt at H4L does grade 3 part mades for £75 + postage I believe.
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Thank you Sam but I think £75 is way over the top for a part made when one can buy finished bats in all their glory for that price and below. I'm looking at £25 all in for low grade part mades that can be hacked at without losing any sleep. I'm sure some of the bat makers on here that source their own willow will have plenty of off cuts that they can press , handle and bind.
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I think the cheapest you'll get is around the 55quid mark(price of mine from red ink)
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that is quite a lot for work to do for £25 ??
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Yeah sorry, Blonco. You're not gonna get anything for less than £50 and that'd be a storming price. If you just want to see if you can shape without taking off a thumb then try out on a bit of 4x2 first. Like yogi says, gettin a bat to the stage you want it at still requires a lot of work from the kind of people that will supply them to you. Your only hope would be to appeal to a major supplier but the cheap clefts will get made into those glorious finished bats you were talking about.
In short, this is an expensive hobby! Take your time.
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One vote here for Matt at H4L. Got a new H4L Hellfire and it is pressed really well.
I think he supplies quite a few part mades to different small bat makers.
Depends what you want them for? If you want to sell / use them - then Matt would be a good bet.
If you just want to practice your skills - just some 4x2 from B&Q (as suggested) may work out a lot cheaper.
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Thank you Sam but I think £75 is way over the top for a part made when one can buy finished bats in all their glory for that price and below. I'm looking at £25 all in for low grade part mades that can be hacked at without losing any sleep. I'm sure some of the bat makers on here that source their own willow will have plenty of off cuts that they can press , handle and bind.
the cleft costs more than £25 and im not sure what sort of offcuts you think come from a cleft that can make a bat???
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the cleft costs more than £25 and im not sure what sort of offcuts you think come from a cleft that can make a bat???
Maybe he just wants to make a signature bat
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Thank you for the replies guys and the PM's but £25 is my ceiling on part mades to my already stated specs.
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Thank you for the replies guys and the PM's but £25 is my ceiling on part mades to my already stated specs.
im a little confused why you ask what you should expect to pay then when youre told the price by people in the know you want them for nothing? your probably going to be paying a batmaker over £25 for the machining of the cleft, pressing, supply and fit the handle, shaping the shoulders and binding the handle. you wont be getting the cleft for free! You are not only paying for the cleft but also for the time and expertise of the batmaker. its not cheap to do this but paying someone £25 to do the hard work is alot cheaper and easier than buying all the machinery/tools yourself. youre looking at atleast £50 for a part made. if you want to pay anything else then it may be worth looking at some damaged preshaped bats from MSR which you could practice on or some kashmir rubbish off ebay.
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Yep MSR damaged or heavier net bats are pretty much your only choices...
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Based on my figures a supplier of part mades in the UK can double their money by selling for £25.00
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Based on my figures a supplier of part mades in the UK can double their money by selling for £25.00
Call the manager we've got a right one here!!!!
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Based on my figures a supplier of part mades in the UK can double their money by selling for £25.00
Could it not be that YOUR figures are wrong?
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Based on my figures a supplier of part mades in the UK can double their money by selling for £25.00
Can you let us know how you came to that figure please??
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My figures are spot on unless binding twine prices have sky rocketed over the festive season plus any bat maker on here will know I am correct.
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My figures are spot on unless binding twine prices have sky rocketed over the festive season plus any bat maker on here will know I am correct.
If you're so adamant they're correct please share how you came to that conclusion...
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So the batmakers on here buy a cleft, put the labour into part-making it, adding a handle etc all for 12.50?
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My figures are spot on unless binding twine prices have sky rocketed over the festive season plus any bat maker on here will know I am correct.
Well when you get some part mades with handles bound and shoulders finished for £25 then please let us all know so we can all buy them... Good luck
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are you looking at the price that a bat maker gets for ordering 10,000 clefts ??
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You would struggle to even buy 100 vellum clefts for £12.50 each mate. Mind me asking where you get your prices then? And how do you expect to make a bat out of offcuts? As others have said mate, its an expensive hobby and I think your underestimating the prices.
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My figures are spot on unless binding twine prices have sky rocketed over the festive season plus any bat maker on here will know I am correct.
if you have access to all the costs associated with bat making how are you not able to source the clefts or do the work yourself. why did you also need to check the going rate for a part made when you think you already know?
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£12.50 but would need you to add the twine yourself.....
http://tinyurl.com/pz4xypb (http://tinyurl.com/pz4xypb)
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My figures are spot on unless binding twine prices have sky rocketed over the festive season plus any bat maker on here will know I am correct.
Im one of the more straightforward members on here, i dont beat around the bush talking to idiots/chancers/conmen .........
You are talking absolute erm rubbish
(John sorry for the edit!)
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£12.50 but would need you to add the twine yourself.....
[url]http://tinyurl.com/pz4xypb[/url] ([url]http://tinyurl.com/pz4xypb[/url])
hahahah got a bit of an iffy middle on some......
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Cleft £5.00 , Handle £5.00 , Twine £2.50 + £12.50 labour = £25.00 (£10.00 extra pressing if required)
These are my calculations.
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Along with shrey helmets this up there for the most pointless topics of the century. £25 isn't going to happen.
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Cleft £25.00 , Handle £15.00 , Twine £0.50 + £14.50 labour = £55.00 (£10.00 extra pressing if required)
These are my calculations.
I edited to help your calculations as they were out.... where have you got that cleft price from ? that isn't for EW
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Cleft £5.00 , Handle £5.00 , Twine £2.50 + £12.50 labour = £25.00 (£10.00 extra pressing if required)
These are my calculations.
Then selling at £25 I don't see any profit made by the seller... You expect to be given the cleft, handle and twine? And it takes less than an hour to handle, bind, press and shape the shoulders? That's if these figures are even close to the mark.
You certainly do want something for nothing
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clefts dont grow on trees you know....
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Plonko
Just give up mate.
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Are you looking at something made from Thai willow?
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Cleft £5.00 , Handle £5.00 , Twine £2.50 + £12.50 labour = £25.00 (£10.00 extra pressing if required)
These are my calculations.
You suggested that at selling to you for £25 they would double their money? Now i'm no maths genius but 25 is the same as 25 isn't it?
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I have to admit though this is some of the greatest trolling without aggression i've ever seen!
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clefts dont grow on trees you know....
quote possibly my favorite post ever made on this forum
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Cleft £5.00 , Handle £5.00 , Twine £2.50 + £12.50 labour = £25.00 (£10.00 extra pressing if required)
These are my calculations.
Grade 3 cleft £20.00, Handle £5.00, Twine £2.50 + £30.00 labour/profit (including pressing) = £57.50 + £10 Postage
These are my calculations ;).
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Then selling at £25 I don't see any profit made by the seller... You expect to be given the cleft, handle and twine? And it takes less than an hour to handle, bind, press and shape the shoulders? That's if these figures are even close to the mark.
You certainly do want something for nothing
Have you over looked the labour = £12.50 profit ?
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Have you over looked the labour = £12.50 profit ?
My time isn't free, is yours? And you expect to buy the cleft at cost?..
The word goose comes to mind
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Have you over looked the labour = £12.50 profit ?
So the labour charges don't cover overheads then (to you wages, bills ect.)?? What planet are you on mate ???
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what do you call a deer with no eye's ??
a no eye deer...
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May have to introduce thread of the year for next years forum awards...
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Have you over looked the labour = £12.50 profit ?
So you want what you consider "cost" price but then labour for free?
Pretty sure this thread is going nowhere quickly and just increases people's annoyance at how naive you are being
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May have to introduce thread of the year for next years forum awards...
You could give the award now......
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Me on this thread.....
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You could give the award now......
Labour charge = profit. (unless you sub contract the job out at your own expense)
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Labour charge = profit. (unless you sub contract the job out at your own expense)
Deluded.
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Labour charge = profit. (unless you sub contract the job out at your own expense)
Do you have a job and work for free then?
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Labour charge = profit. (unless you sub contract the job out at your own expense)
Please tell me more of this magical workshop with free electricity/water/gas/other business overheads where I can start my own cricket company!
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I'm sure he'll make a storm in the plastic bat industry.
But I must say you are being ripped off for £25 for a plastic bat!! :D ;)
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Do you have a job and work for free then?
To be fair to him, if he makes the bats himself, then the cost of his labour is the money he gains from making the bat - you could look at it as profit. However, if you are employed, you are paid a wage and that is your profit.
The component missing from all of these is:
Please tell me more of this magical workshop with free electricity/water/gas/other business overheads where I can start my own cricket company!
This "£12.50 Labour Charge" must include overheads, and I'd hazard a guess that once you take out these + depreciation on the tools you need, you'll find that the £12.50 "Profit" amounts to a lot less. Quite what those overheads are per bat is very dependent on the volume you produce...
And even then, I still want to know where I can get Clefts at £5! I'll start my own business at that price!
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Please tell me more of this magical workshop with free electricity/water/gas/other business overheads where I can start my own cricket company!
That is a question you need to direct toward the supplier who wishes to charge £25.00 as per the requested specs.
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That is a question you need to direct toward the supplier who wishes to charge £25.00 as per the requested specs.
that supplier doesnt exist so who do you direct it to?
i think its more a wish than actually viable. complete and utter dreamworld!
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That is a question you need to direct toward the supplier who wishes to charge £25.00 as per the requested specs.
Which supplier cause I'd like to buy a few or do I buy them direct from you?
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yeah you buy them from him at £65...... everyone has to make a profit ! ;-)
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Tell us the supplier then if you're so sure you're right...
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that supplier doesnt exist so who do you direct it to?
i think its more a wish than actually viable. complete and utter dreamworld!
£25.00 is viable if one takes their greedy glasses off but then that seems to be the world we live in these days.
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Oh dear!
Deluded doesn't come close
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£25.00 is viable if one takes their greedy glasses off but then that seems to be the world we live in these days.
£25 is viable if people don pay their rent or make a profit, so if you can afford to buy food or pay the bills and don't bother paying your overheads in sure £25 is viable, sadly it doesn't work like that in the real world...
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£25.00 is viable if one takes their greedy glasses off but then that seems to be the world we live in these days.
Do you have a clue how a business works?
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Really, whilst this is all very amusing, it kind of raises a totally different question. Does the skill in batmaking lie in shaping the back of the blade or in the pressing and initial works? I'd argue that the part of the process that adds the most value is the pressing as anyone (puts his hand up) can mutilate the back of a bat and find that as long as it is pressed okay, it will work very effectively).
Is the theory of pricing that the OP is postulating therefore coming from the wrong direction?
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Shhhhhh you guys are ruining the deal I'm trying to do here.
Now where were we... Bonco I'm interested in these £25 clefts lets do a deal. You get them from the supplier that way you won't have to reveal your source and I will buy them from you for £25... It's a win win surely
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Shhhhhh you guys are ruining the deal I'm trying to do here.
Now where were we... Bonco I'm interested in these £25 clefts lets do a deal. You get them from the supplier that way you won't have to reveal your source and I will buy them from you for £25... It's a win win surely
postage is £40 per bat tho
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Shhhhhh you guys are ruining the deal I'm trying to do here.
Now where were we... Bonco I'm interested in these £25 clefts lets do a deal. You get them from the supplier that way you won't have to reveal your source and I will buy them from you for £25... It's a win win surely
I'm going to follow this guy's business model and offer him £15 for each one
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Can't believe this thread is still delivering! Think you should call it a day now blonco.
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Am I right in thinking a cleft was on ebay not too long ago?
Anyone remember what it sold for?
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Am I right in thinking a cleft was on ebay not too long ago?
Anyone remember what it sold for?
You've found his supplier!! ;)
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I can provide clefts for £25 plus delivery.
A cannot guarantee G1 willow (in fact, I cannot guarnatee willow).
I am just cutting up my office desk and filing cabinet.
Please note, these clefts will be laminated so not suitable for 1st class cricket (but will at least look nice, good fake grains).
To put in perspective, a student pack from Wrights is £74 delivered, and that is not pressed.
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What do you call a deer with no eyes and no legs??
Still no eye deer........ come on Blonco !
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Shhhhhh you guys are ruining the deal I'm trying to do here.
Now where were we... Bonco I'm interested in these £25 clefts lets do a deal. You get them from the supplier that way you won't have to reveal your source and I will buy them from you for £25... It's a win win surely
Maybe you should have read my OP where I was the one asking for a price of £25.00 As of now all the forum podshavers have ducked for cover.
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Based on my figures a supplier of part mades in the UK can double their money by selling for £25.00
You claimed to have the figures , care to share where from then?
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Maybe you should have read my OP where I was the one asking for a price of £25.00 As of now all the forum podshavers have ducked for cover.
But...... Didn't you say you knew you could get them for £25 from suppliers? Well I'm in man lets do it.... Let's do it together. Come on man don't let me down now I'm organising buyers as we speak... Man I've got batmakers wanting to buy them off me now
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Yeah please binco, do it for the good of the forum
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Maybe you should have read my OP where I was the one asking for a price of £25.00 As of now all the forum podshavers have ducked for cover.
Actually in your OP you ask if anyone can supply you with handles clefts, no mention of price.
If the prices that you have been offered on here are more expensive than your alternative off the forum then I suggest you use your £25.00 option as clearly they are your preferred choice based solely upon price rather than quality of willow and pressing that you would gain from using a forum based supplier.
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I reckon £12.50 labour is from a Thai cabinet maker!
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Thanks Mr Tomtek.
and with that I think we will close up this madness.
Blonco, many thanks for your contribution, it was wonderful to see you grace the forum again. Until next time, in a different skin...
p.s. if anyone ever wants to remember the "good old days" with James and friends, this was a nice little taster.
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and with that I think we will close up this madness.
- and not before time... ;)