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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: fasteddie on January 13, 2014, 03:14:24 PM

Title: De-lamination?
Post by: fasteddie on January 13, 2014, 03:14:24 PM
I bought a new bat mid-season. 12 grains, light-weight cleft, amazing Pro level willow.
Knocked it in thoroughly.

There is a small area, size of a 50p, just above the middle which is making a rather odd noise. It sounds as if its split. The rest sounds fine.
It's not had a huge amount of use, the pic was when it was brand new.

(http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o706/fastedd1e/IMG_1853_zps42b5f853.jpg) (http://s1339.photobucket.com/user/fastedd1e/media/IMG_1853_zps42b5f853.jpg.html)

Any thoughts welcome. Cheers.

Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: toenails97 on January 13, 2014, 03:16:24 PM
A brand new pic isn't going to tell us if it's delaminated...if it is delaminated there will normally be a crack or split on the surface - my Salix delaminated however Jake at Vitas repaired it and it's spot on now
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: GarrettJ on January 13, 2014, 03:34:48 PM
send it back to Hammer
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: fasteddie on January 13, 2014, 03:51:15 PM
send it back to Hammer

It's not a Hammer. Good try though   ;-)
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: toenails97 on January 13, 2014, 04:05:38 PM
H4L?
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: GarrettJ on January 13, 2014, 04:09:16 PM
It's not a Hammer. Good try though   ;-)

just the bat cover says hammer

de lamination will be very obvious and should happen after hundreds if not thousands of balls being faced
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on January 13, 2014, 04:12:33 PM
Id agree with the above statement, my match bat has delamed in a few places but has been used for the last 2 season and scored a over a thousand runs by now.

It will be obvious if it has delaminated as the sound is completely different when hitting the area compared to the other part of the bat if in the middle region.
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: brokenbat on January 13, 2014, 04:16:52 PM
but does it really affect ping?
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: mattw on January 13, 2014, 04:20:00 PM
There's a small video I made to sent to Charlie @ Black Cat(of whom I am still waiting a reply to via email), regarding the bat I received in a swap with a chap called 'Kaz' on the forum. When I started complaining about it, he hasn't used this account since.

Nov 28, 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyU4NYcHvW0#ws)

So as you can hear, there is quite a large section of this bat that sounds 'hollow' which this is the delaminated section. In sunlight you can see that a section of the blade has risen and caused a cavity in the bat(the fibres of the bat have parted due to the bat being very dry). However they are not always visible.

I hope this helps you to clear it up.
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: smokem on January 13, 2014, 04:21:02 PM
A brand new pic isn't going to tell us if it's delaminated...if it is delaminated there will normally be a crack or split on the surface - my Salix delaminated however Jake at Vitas repaired it and it's spot on now

Delamination does not necessarily have to reach the surface.

I'd be interested in knowing how this pans out fasteddie as this has happened to me recently... Although mine actually came up to the surface.
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: Vitas Cricket on January 13, 2014, 04:22:15 PM
There's a small video I made to sent to Charlie @ Black Cat(of whom I am still waiting a reply to via email), regarding the bat I received in a swap with a chap called 'Kaz' on the forum. When I started complaining about it, he hasn't used this account since.

Nov 28, 2013 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyU4NYcHvW0#ws[/url])

So as you can hear, there is quite a large section of this bat that sounds 'hollow' which this is the delaminated section. In sunlight you can see that a section of the blade has risen and caused a cavity in the bat(the fibres of the bat have parted due to the bat being very dry). However they are not always visible.

I hope this helps you to clear it up.


Kaz has shopped with me a few times. I believe he is a student, so could well be busy with exams etc, i guess it depends on how long you've been trying to get hold of him.
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on January 13, 2014, 04:24:49 PM
I bought a new bat mid-season. 12 grains, light-weight cleft, amazing Pro level willow.
Knocked it in thoroughly.

There is a small area, size of a 50p, just above the middle which is making a rather odd noise. It sounds as if its split. The rest sounds fine.
It's not had a huge amount of use, the pic was when it was brand new.

([url]http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o706/fastedd1e/IMG_1853_zps42b5f853.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1339.photobucket.com/user/fastedd1e/media/IMG_1853_zps42b5f853.jpg.html[/url])

Any thoughts welcome. Cheers.

Well the sentences in your post are not constructed perfectly, you've shortened words in some parts but not others and the picture has been badly edited.
Have you considered going on a PR course??  ;)
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: fasteddie on January 13, 2014, 04:28:46 PM
Well the sentences in your post are not constructed perfectly, you've shortened words in some parts but not others and the picture has been badly edited.
Have you considered going on a PR course??  ;)

Well, now you mention it...If this was a piece advertising my work I would have had my PR write it!

 ;)
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: fasteddie on January 13, 2014, 04:42:35 PM
Id agree with the above statement, my match bat has delamed in a few places but has been used for the last 2 season and scored a over a thousand runs by now.

It will be obvious if it has delaminated as the sound is completely different when hitting the area compared to the other part of the bat if in the middle region.

Looking at the video it appears to have started to delaminate.
I take on board the other posts and have recently put a scuff sheet on it to give it some protection.

It pings like a dream. Our teams best batter used it in the nets recently and immediately got the bat maker to make him a copy!

I am slightly worried about using it in nets, don't want to waste it. Might have to get a net bat.
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: GarrettJ on January 13, 2014, 04:44:08 PM
if you put a picture of the bat in its current state rather than a picture of a brand new bat it would help a little more.
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: GarrettJ on January 13, 2014, 04:45:22 PM
the question you should be asking is how has it delaminated so quickly??

Approximately how many balls has it faced?
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: cricketbadger on January 13, 2014, 04:47:02 PM
Why have you covered the bats stickers therefore preventing us from seeing the brand?
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: Vitas Cricket on January 13, 2014, 04:58:28 PM
Delaminated bats often perform exceptionally well, shortly before exploding.

I would return this to the maker/retailer if purchased recently. The tinny/hollow/clapping sound is pretty unmistakeable for anything else.
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: fasteddie on January 13, 2014, 04:58:42 PM
Why have you covered the bats stickers therefore preventing us from seeing the brand?

Just wanted to keep it anonymous. Maybe some people may make an incorrect inference based on the post.

With regard to a current picture, there is nothing much to see. I've not go the bat with me so can't do it now.

It's been used in less than 10 games plus a few nets. Not a great deal of use.
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: toenails97 on January 13, 2014, 06:03:46 PM
Delaminated bats often perform exceptionally well, shortly before exploding.

I would return this to the maker/retailer if purchased recently. The tinny/hollow/clapping sound is pretty unmistakeable for anything else.
Even though my Salix has delaminated it's still going great...do you think it will go soon jake? It's in pretty much the same condition since you had it as it's been used in about 5 nets since the refurb
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: Vitas Cricket on January 13, 2014, 06:24:00 PM
Even though my Salix has delaminated it's still going great...do you think it will go soon jake? It's in pretty much the same condition since you had it as it's been used in about 5 nets since the refurb

They go quickly if left. An effective repair can prolong their life significantly. I would only worry if yours makes that odd noise over an increasingly larger area the more it is used.
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: toenails97 on January 13, 2014, 06:51:18 PM
They go quickly if left. An effective repair can prolong their life significantly. I would only worry if yours makes that odd noise over an increasingly larger area the more it is used.
Cheers mate, you'll be getting it for a refurb next year aswell if it's still alive!
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: mattw on January 13, 2014, 07:26:18 PM
Kaz has shopped with me a few times. I believe he is a student, so could well be busy with exams etc, i guess it depends on how long you've been trying to get hold of him.

he hasn't logged in(13th Aug) since I complained about it, have sent numerous emails/messages to him with no reply - I have put this on the disputes board.
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: mattw on January 13, 2014, 07:28:36 PM
the question you should be asking is how has it delaminated so quickly??

Approximately how many balls has it faced?

It's the willow, it doesn't look as though it's faced a ball. The willow is too dry which is why this has happened - or a sudden change in temperate can cause the fibres of the willow to split apart.
Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: fasteddie on January 13, 2014, 10:25:03 PM
They go quickly if left. An effective repair can prolong their life significantly. I would only worry if yours makes that odd noise over an increasingly larger area the more it is used.

Thanks for the tip.
I'll send it to the manufacturer for a service. This bat is too good for me so I don't want to waste it!

Fortunately, tonight I managed to secure a top class #2 bat so this one can take a break.

Title: Re: De-lamination?
Post by: Dan W on January 14, 2014, 11:42:51 AM
Awaits this to turn up in the for sale section in a few months...'great bat, pings like mad, no cracks'  :D