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Title: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 18, 2014, 03:33:42 PM
Frightfully early to be starting this thread (12 hours until the game starts) but after the last game I am pumped for this one!

The SCG should take turn so expect to see Tredwell come in for Bresnan... maybe a batting order reshuffle as well with Root coming in lower down (as he will be expected to bowl 10 overs).

There are meant to be a few showers around tomorrow in Sydney so winning the toss and bowling might be the best option!

Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 18, 2014, 03:41:07 PM
Broad will be in for rankin.

Tried well for bresnan.

Carberry for root.



There is talk from Thorpe about Cook changing tactics for this game. But I believe he was talking more about bowling at the death, then he was about a more attacking batting line up as I wish(stokes at 8 is a waste. Send him in at 3 and let him be aggressive)
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: beaver5 on January 18, 2014, 04:43:52 PM
There is talk from Thorpe about Cook changing tactics for this game. But I believe he was talking more about bowling at the death, then he was about a more attacking batting line up as I wish(stokes at 8 is a waste. Send him in at 3 and let him be aggressive)

Not a hope in hell of Stokes batting at 3. England are far to conservative to do that. I'll be shocked if Carberry even gets a game as they will be thinking 300 was a good score so no need to change the batting line up.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 18, 2014, 05:22:41 PM
Depending on the game situation I can see Stokes being promoted in a "pinch hitter" type role to increase the scoring rate.

I think the days of a set betting order in ODIs are numbered.  20/20 has shown the value in changing the order to suit the game situation.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Bulldog Cricket on January 18, 2014, 05:39:10 PM
Which teams change to order depending on the game situation ?

England just need some power up the top of the order imo.

I feel sorry for Carberry. He is a very fine one day player and his form in the one day game got him selected for the test matches. Now ironically his test match form is stopping him getting selected for the ODI's !!!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 18, 2014, 05:45:30 PM
Quite - Carberry is not a great bet for Test cricket but a really strong one day pick.  Aside from anything else, he is a superb boundary fielder, and England are rather short of those.

I'd like to see a bit more oomph up the order, Cook rested and Root play his T20 role:

Carberry
Bell
Bopara
Ballance
Morgan
Buttler
Root
Stokes
Broad
Jordan
Tredwell
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 18, 2014, 05:50:01 PM
In the recent NZ v WI series McCullum, Taylor and Corey Anderson all moved around the order based on the game situation.  Australia experimented in India as well with the batting order to increase the run rate at certain times.  Pakistan used to do it as well with Boom Boom Afridi.

Surely with the advent of batting powerplays it would make sense to get someone like Stokes to take full advantage of having the field up.

Carberry deserves a game.  He was actually a solid performer in the test series.  He got a good number of starts but just couldn't push on.  If he had turned just one of those starts into a hundred he probably would have played in the first ODI (and like sliding doors could have single handedly won the game and then the second ODI and cemented himself as a regular in both formats).
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 18, 2014, 05:51:23 PM
or flayed a long hop to point and been dropped... sliding doors are never that good
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 18, 2014, 05:55:18 PM
quite - he had ample chances in decent form in the Tests and seemed a shade shy of the top class.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 18, 2014, 06:04:31 PM
Are you sure about Bopara at 3 maniac?

I prefer him knocking it around in the middle overs then accelerating at the end.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: csnew on January 18, 2014, 07:01:29 PM
any idea why Cook keeps batting first even though he's packing the batting.
Surely most teams with weak bowling line ups bowl first and chase .
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: jw17 on January 18, 2014, 07:05:35 PM
Huge fan of that line up Maniac.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 18, 2014, 09:44:53 PM
Are you sure about Bopara at 3 maniac?

I prefer him knocking it around in the middle overs then accelerating at the end.


Okay, there are two ways of looking at this.  In a successful, well functioning side Bopara is the ideal guy to have in between Morgan and Buttler - the more conventional and technically sharp guy who can as you say knock it around where needed whilst also hitting big.  In this environment, England tend to sort of stagnate at the start because Cook is out of touch, Bell  steady starter and Root out of form and much better suited to the role you just described for Bopara.  So, Ravi at three.  There are many benefits, not least the fact that nobody really knows whether Ravi is Test class and a few months batting three and building innings in ODIs will give us all more evidence as to whether he might have a test future - because nobody wants him to be another  big question mark like Owais Shah...
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 18, 2014, 09:46:36 PM
any idea why Cook keeps batting first even though he's packing the batting.
Surely most teams with weak bowling line ups bowl first and chase .

does not necessarily follow - packing the batting suggests confidence in a run fest batting first or second.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 02:53:54 AM
does not necessarily follow - packing the batting suggests confidence in a run fest batting first or second.

Or indicates total faith in his bowling line up... or a slight insidious madness that is slowly baking Cook's brain...



Okay, there are two ways of looking at this.  In a successful, well functioning side Bopara is the ideal guy to have in between Morgan and Buttler - the more conventional and technically sharp guy who can as you say knock it around where needed whilst also hitting big.  In this environment, England tend to sort of stagnate at the start because Cook is out of touch, Bell  steady starter and Root out of form and much better suited to the role you just described for Bopara.  So, Ravi at three.  There are many benefits, not least the fact that nobody really knows whether Ravi is Test class and a few months batting three and building innings in ODIs will give us all more evidence as to whether he might have a test future - because nobody wants him to be another  big question mark like Owais Shah...

Ha ha Bopara will be offended we are comparing him to Shah... I see your logic.  Hopefully Bopara can live up to your faith in him...
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 02:55:57 AM
Apparently England has a surprise at number 3
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 02:57:33 AM
Broad in for Rankin and Tredders in for Root.... England to have a bat first
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2014, 03:15:36 AM
Much better line up. But still how does bresnan continue to be selected.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 03:17:49 AM
Who else will bowl log hops and half volleys?

He will probably take 5-20 in his 10 now!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 03:21:08 AM
Interesting to see what the surprise at number 3 is as well!

Maybe Bresnan is playing as a batsman?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2014, 03:21:54 AM
Who else will bowl log hops and half volleys?

He will probably take 5-20 in his 10 now!

Bresnan use to pick up wickets with those deliveries. Made a career out of it.
Rather have Dernbach bowl his all sorts instead.
Least England will have their reviews this game, no root to waste them
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Number4 on January 19, 2014, 03:25:52 AM
Ballance to bat 3
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 03:28:06 AM
That was a shocking review on the LBW... what was the thinking?

Is Bell using a thicker Impulse than usual today?  Might just be my eye sight...

The blokes dressed as the stumps are good value.  Not sure how that would work when someone needed to visit the loo.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2014, 03:52:19 AM
About time England's top order showed some intent in the first half of the innings
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 03:52:40 AM
Cook.... saved
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 03:53:46 AM
It makes a massive difference when the top order actually tries to score runs.

Looks like this is a 300+ pitch so England will need to get off to a go start!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 03:57:07 AM
Caught by the big show.... now comes the big surprise who will appear at number 3....

I hope it's Morgan
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 03:58:58 AM
Ben Stokes... I am surprised
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2014, 04:00:29 AM
Difference between England and other world class teams is that the openers can get them off to a quick and good start and continue.

Good move to send in stokes. Batted well in the tests, was wasted at 8.

Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: beaver5 on January 19, 2014, 04:03:29 AM
Not a hope in hell of Stokes batting at 3. England are far to conservative to do that. I'll be shocked if Carberry even gets a game as they will be thinking 300 was a good score so no need to change the batting line up.

Wow, Stokes in at 3, what do I know anyway!

Still no Carberry though which is a mistake. His chances of making the World Cup get slimmer by the day.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 04:05:27 AM
Let's see if Stokes can deliver at 3.

Carberry should at least make the squad.  Whether he makes the 11 is a different story!

Bell again looks class today.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 04:06:37 AM
Looks like Bell just broke another 400 quid bat
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 04:18:18 AM
What a throw... I bet he couldn't do that again if he tried.

Bell needs to stop running dodgy runs!  You can't have your best batsman getting run out all of the time!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Number4 on January 19, 2014, 04:21:44 AM
What a throw... I bet he couldn't do that again if he tried.

Bell needs to stop running dodgy runs!  You can't have your best batsman getting run out all of the time!

I bet he could
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2014, 04:22:17 AM
Brilliant from warner

Time for balance to struggle to rotate the strike and get the ball off the square against spin.
Given that 2 spinners are bowling, why not send in a right hand bat.
England seem to be soo inflexible.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2014, 04:27:29 AM
Both struggling against part time spinners. Pathetic
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 04:29:27 AM
He just needs to get down the other end and wait for the seamers.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 04:30:14 AM
Some needs to take a bit of gamble and put one of them in the stands!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Gerry SA on January 19, 2014, 04:40:53 AM
Glenn Maxwell being made to look like Saeed Ajmal...
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 04:41:40 AM
Ha ha ha

Bouncing high at the SCG today... another LBW reviewed and overturned!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2014, 04:44:06 AM
Glenn Maxwell being made to look like Saeed Ajmal...

So true even last odi. Struggled against ordinary bowling
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 04:44:33 AM
what a catch!

England can't take trick right now!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: beaver5 on January 19, 2014, 04:47:53 AM
Finally we get a good start and now we throw it all away. Stokes and Balance have faced 10 overs between them and scored 26 runs. Not good enough and pressure all back on the middle order to deliver. The wicket looks like this is the one match that Root should have played in.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2014, 04:55:00 AM
Looks like the surprise number 3 batted even slower than root. Least root got out quickly.
Does the English county game not have spinners. Balance and stokes looked like they've never faced spin before. No clue what to do. Over inflated county averages. Surely the better two players of spin (bopara and Morgan) should come in at 3/4 if Clarke is going to use his spinners.

Same story as the first 2 odi's, first 30 overs wasted and the expectation of the hitters to get them up to a par score
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 04:59:17 AM
Again it is all up to Morgan to carry the team... back to back hundreds anyone?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: beaver5 on January 19, 2014, 05:04:50 AM
Very worrying to see us play 2 very average spinners like this. Just shows we won't stand a chance in Bangladesh on spin friendly wickets.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 05:27:31 AM
Even the medium pacers are proving hard to get away.

Doherty bowling 10 overs for 28 is embarrassing!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 05:58:36 AM
Surely there is a match winning hundred out there for Morgan today.

Jos needs to just rotate the strike for the next 3-4 overs and then launch
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 06:38:58 AM
Bresnan to come in at number 3 in the next game?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 19, 2014, 08:48:46 AM
Doherty bowling 10 overs for 28 is embarrassing!

Bumble was brilliant on this - "three an over, never spun a ball"
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 08:56:13 AM
He never looked like turning one - "nude nuts"

Tredders isn't exactly ripping it a mile either but the Aussies are milking him nicely.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 19, 2014, 09:21:18 AM
Hum, I did record this game and planned to watch it before my nets afternoon but on reading this it sounds like the game is as bad as all series so I think I might just skip it :(
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 09:22:47 AM
Yeah, I would probably give it a miss....

Unless there is a massive comeback from England... which looks particularly unlikely
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 19, 2014, 09:36:36 AM
I called stokes at 3. Unfortunately the way he batted, he'd have been better off at 8.

Not enough runs, left to much pressure on buttler and Morgan to perform at the end.

Poor from England with the bat again.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 09:41:33 AM
It appears that bowling is not going terribly well for England either... just as I am typing Bopara bowled Clarke!

Biggest come back since Lazarus?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 19, 2014, 10:11:12 AM
worrying that our best batsman was picked for his bowling and our best bowler picked for his batting...
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 19, 2014, 10:11:47 AM
incidentally, Christian's catch to dismiss Morgan - how was that any different to Buttler's overturned catch to dismiss WArner in the first game?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Sam on January 19, 2014, 10:14:34 AM
incidentally, Christian's catch to dismiss Morgan - how was that any different to Buttler's overturned catch to dismiss WArner in the first game?

I thought the first and only camera angle used by the third umpire made it look out because it was front on, but the angles showed later made it look quite clearly a catch.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 19, 2014, 10:22:26 AM
I think that was the debate that buttler and Clarke was having,

Clarke said he's caught it and you should except his word.
Buttler points out that it didn't happen when he caught it.



Clarke looks out of touch, it's funny that he isn't being questioned on his form but cook is. Is it cos there winning your not noticing?

22, 24, 23, 10, 6*, 10, 6, 43, 17, 34. That's 197 runs in 10 innings at 21.7


Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 19, 2014, 10:26:43 AM
I think that was the debate that buttler and Clarke was having,

Clarke said he's caught it and you should except his word.
Buttler points out that it didn't happen when he caught it.



Clarke looks out of touch, it's funny that he isn't being questioned on his form but cook is. Is it cos there winning your not noticing?

22, 24, 23, 10, 6*, 10, 6, 43, 17, 34. That's 197 runs in 10 innings at 21.7

Very little is questioned when winning.. Just look at England in the summer!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: FattusCattus on January 19, 2014, 10:28:58 AM
Seriously - Bresnan! What has happened with his bowling? If he's not fully fit, why is he playing.

Those people calling to not make too many changes, surely you can't keep watching this game after game?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 19, 2014, 10:31:44 AM
Seriously - Bresnan! What has happened with his bowling? If he's not fully fit, why is he playing.

Those people calling to not make too many changes, surely you can't keep watching this game after game?

Course they can! It's England.. It's Giles and the ECB after all.. Spineless. I'm still waiting for a 'root and branch' review and report from lord x/y like the FA?. Which is hey completely ignored and the game plods on as it is now
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 19, 2014, 10:33:54 AM
I only have one thing to say and I'll say it in capitols.

GILES OUT
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 19, 2014, 10:34:30 AM
Seriously - Bresnan! What has happened with his bowling? If he's not fully fit, why is he playing.

my thoughts exactly - he keeps getting rushed back from injuries, which is all well and good cos he's a dependable type and all that...


...except that it isn't.  There are very few people good enough to be selected for international cricket half fit, and with all due respect to Bressie, who is a great bloke and has never let England down, he is not one of them!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 19, 2014, 10:35:56 AM
I only have one thing to say and I'll say it in capitols.

GILES OUT

 I'll counter it with

Everyone in the ECB, league committee out too please.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Giraffe208 on January 19, 2014, 10:40:02 AM
Every game i've watched so far this winter, England are playing like it's 0-0 and are scared to make a mistake. They play with the fear of trying to avoid failure as opposed to trying to achieve success.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Number4 on January 19, 2014, 10:41:31 AM
Was that Bruce "Fattus" Tredwell bowling tonight? Certainly a great likeness ;) :D
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Six Sixes Cricket on January 19, 2014, 10:42:20 AM
I ended up an hr ago switching to Peppa Pig. I didn't want to scar the kids anymore.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 19, 2014, 10:43:04 AM
Looks like bell is back to normal after a great summer in England. Looks all pretty, scores 30 ish and then fails
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Wooly on January 19, 2014, 10:47:25 AM
He was pretty unlucky today though.  He still looks the one most likely to get a score for England.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: FattusCattus on January 19, 2014, 10:48:14 AM
Yes well, blood-letting aside, what can England practically do for the rest of this tour?

Who else is in the squad that must be given a go? Briggs, Carbery and is Woakes there? Give them a go, what have you to lose?

Why not rest a couple prior to the T20s - stokes looks like he needs a break, and Cook needs taking out of the firing line. Get the youngsters to take a bit of responsibility and let someone else have the experience of captaincy .

Moving forward, Giles needs to be looked at, as does cooks position. Also some of these lads who are on their game, such as Wright, Lumb et al should perhaps be looked at, and give people such as Root, Cook and possibly Broad tHe chance to concentrate on tests.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 19, 2014, 10:51:54 AM
Yes well, blood-letting aside, what can England practically do for the rest of this tour?

Who else is in the squad that must be given a go? Briggs, Carbery and is Woakes there? Give them a go, what have you to lose?

Why not rest a couple prior to the T20s - stokes looks like he needs a break, and Cook needs taking out of the firing line. Get the youngsters to take a bit of responsibility and let someone else have the experience of captaincy .

Moving forward, Giles needs to be looked at, as does cooks position. Also some of these lads who are on their game, such as Wright, Lumb et al should perhaps be looked at, and give people such as Root, Cook and possibly Broad tHe chance to concentrate on tests.

Just sack the lot off. Pull all the test players out completely, leave the most basic team and just sack it off. This touring group is so beaten it's unbelievable so there is. Nothing to be gained from keeping the test guys out there and it's a bit of a joke as it is tbh. Forum at work normally has about 300 people in it on match days and I counted in the last few games/days less than 40 were in it so interest from the mere mortal followers has dropped off massively over all this.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 19, 2014, 10:53:48 AM
Hales lumb and wright are all in aus,

Call them up. Send the test players home, and just let them go have some fun out there. Not like we can win the series.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Alvaro on January 19, 2014, 10:54:01 AM
They don't need to bother ever again.
Mediocrity doesn't matter once the ink's dry on the new ICC contract.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 19, 2014, 10:58:55 AM
They could leave Carberry, Triedwell, Woakes, rankin, Bresnan out there and call up a few clubbies who are out there. No point putting lumb/hales in now, that'll just introduce them into a losing team, devoid of confidence with a leadership who.. Well, can't lead

I'd pull Morgans nd butler out too, no point wasting them either.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 11:07:37 AM
Hales lumb and wright are all in aus,

Call them up. Send the test players home, and just let them go have some fun out there. Not like we can win the series.

Chuck in Bedwetter as well and I think that the team would probably play better.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 11:09:19 AM
Also England have got to move Butler up the order... if Australia can move Haddin up why can't England move Butler up?

Pound for pound Butler is a better batsman than Haddin!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 19, 2014, 11:11:26 AM
This the same HAddin who dominated the Test series we're talking about?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: beaver5 on January 19, 2014, 11:11:47 AM
Hope we now go down 5-0 as this will put even more pressure on Cook to be relieved of the captaincy. Can't see how he can possible cling on to it if that happens.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 11:13:39 AM
Yup, Haddin might be in the form of his life but I would still back Butler's technique and eye over Haddins.

Butler is just missing the confidence and swagger!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Wooly on January 19, 2014, 11:14:04 AM
Also England have got to move Butler up the order... if Australia can move Haddin up why can't England move Butler up?

Pound for pound Butler is a better batsman than Haddin!
Big statement there mate seeing what Haddin has been doing with the bat lately
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 11:14:42 AM
and a Kookaburra Bubble bat of course... they have magical powers
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 19, 2014, 11:19:11 AM
Come on aus, don't go soft! Play your best team for the rest of the series and smash these wasters. I don't really care if England win or lose as long as they compete and at no point have they really done that.. Even the second ODI was pretty easy for aus really. Flower, Giles and all the back room staff/analysts should go.. However the ECB should be looked at! They are the men/women in charge and so should carry the can for allowing the rot to set in. ECB are a bunch of bean counters and don't appear to care about the game.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Number4 on January 19, 2014, 11:25:13 AM
I'd like to see someone like Hales come into the team. England aren't far off a win. Cook and Bell started well, Stokes shouldn't have been brought up to 3, Ballance, to me doesn't seem good enough, I'd keep Root in the side as he tends to pick up some important wickets with his spin and let's be honest he is no mug with the bat. Even Luke Wright.. He is in the mould of a Morgan
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 11:41:12 AM
Surely England needs to experiment in these last two games... give Carberry and Wright a go (maybe even Hales and Lumb... why not have 5 openers ha ha)
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: at200 on January 19, 2014, 11:49:23 AM

Lets revamp the OSI side
Hales
Wright
Ali
Bell
Morgan
Buttler
Stokes
Jordan
Broad
Overton
Briggs
Squad - bopara, Willey, Taylor, brothwick

ODI squad fo sri lanka in the summer. Could they do any worse blood them for WC


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Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 19, 2014, 11:51:56 AM
why not just play a Forum XI?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 11:59:11 AM
I totally agree with your thinking on the Sri Lankan games.

England need to build a squad for the World Cup and I think they need to see more players before they can settle on an eleven... I am not 100% sure Cook is a ODI player... he did look alright today though
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Number4 on January 19, 2014, 12:00:58 PM
Cook
Hales
Bell
Wright
Morgan
Root
Buttler
Bopara
Stokes
Broad
Jordan
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Alvaro on January 19, 2014, 12:03:58 PM
English cricket will do what it always does, accept mediocrity as long as the right faces keep their jobs.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 12:08:39 PM
They could surprise us and play the best 11 players in England... hmmmm... not likely... too much lining their own nest and looking after the 'lads'.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: beaver5 on January 19, 2014, 12:52:37 PM
Cook says he might quit! Jump before pushed but definitely has to go. He said we need to win one of the remaining games. Sod that, aim to win both of them. Sums up why he needs to go. I'd give it to Morgan starting from the next match.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 19, 2014, 12:54:56 PM
Cook should quit both formats and go back to being a batsman!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 01:06:53 PM
Agree, he is not a very good captain anyway... so stick to what he is good at... scoring runs!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: csnew on January 19, 2014, 01:17:46 PM
Cook will not quit. Few easy tours against West Indies and Sri Lanka coming up to get back to winning ways. Pressure will be off him. No doubt trott will also be back.

I thought the point of these odi's was to play your best team as practice for the World Cup next year. Clearly not.

As the English media does, take the easy option and blame KP ;). It's always kp's fault
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 19, 2014, 01:19:25 PM
thats true, too true!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 01:28:45 PM
Polar vertex... KP did it
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 19, 2014, 01:38:34 PM
Shergar disappears - blame the Skunk!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 01:42:21 PM
There are unconfirmed rumours that KP actually started WWI...
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 19, 2014, 01:49:01 PM
Fire GILES and cook

Put pietersen in charge as player coach manager of Odis and t20s......
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 01:51:15 PM
K "the guvnor" P
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 19, 2014, 01:52:41 PM
bat to sell, methinks...
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 19, 2014, 02:03:28 PM
bat to sell, methinks...

Agreed
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Six Sixes Cricket on January 19, 2014, 02:59:41 PM
Cook will not quit. Few easy tours against West Indies and Sri Lanka coming up to get back to winning ways. Pressure will be off him. No doubt trott will also be back.

I thought the point of these odi's was to play your best team as practice for the World Cup next year. Clearly not.

As the English media does, take the easy option and blame KP ;). It's always kp's fault
as there's no like button, nicely said
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: FattusCattus on January 19, 2014, 04:08:21 PM
Why is there no like button any more?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 19, 2014, 04:12:47 PM
Why is there no like button any more?


There is, everywhere but the ashes section.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: FattusCattus on January 19, 2014, 05:45:11 PM
Do I not like that.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 19, 2014, 05:51:04 PM
I don't care what we want to see happen but what do we seriously think will happen about the whole of the England set up post Australia tour?

Giles as ODI coach ?
Flower as test coach?
KP still around ?
Cook as capt?
Back room coaches still there?
Analysts who have so obviously failed still around ?
ECB looking to improve things ?
Etc etc
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 19, 2014, 05:55:32 PM

Giles as ODI coach ? Yes if he wants it
Flower as test coach? Yes if he wants it
KP still around ? Yes if he wants to play
Cook as capt? Yes if he wants it
Back room coaches still there? Yes if they want to stay
Analysts who have so obviously failed still around ? Yes if they want to stay
ECB looking to improve things ? Why improve? We scored 300 once and that's all the ecb aim to do
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 19, 2014, 05:56:46 PM
Giles as ODI coach ? Yes if he wants it
Flower as test coach? Yes if he wants it
KP still around ? Yes if he wants to play
Cook as capt? Yes if he wants it
Back room coaches still there? Yes if they want to stay
Analysts who have so obviously failed still around ? Yes if they want to stay
ECB looking to improve things ? Why improve? We scored 300 once and that's all the ecb aim to do

1-0 to the keep it as it is then :(
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 19, 2014, 05:59:58 PM
1-0 to the keep it as it is then :(

They don't make decisions, they let people make there own.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Bulldog Cricket on January 19, 2014, 06:01:11 PM
Is Giles the inspirational, dynamic leader that the one day team needs. I don't know but he appears to coach exactly the way he played......average, one dimensional, boring, wheelie bin.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 19, 2014, 06:02:38 PM
They don't make decisions, they let people make there own.

Pretty sure the ECB could sack the lot if they wanted so they sorta do have the power to make the decisions. Anyway, not a problem.. I doubt much will happen either, few wins against the crap nations and we'll be world beaters again
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 19, 2014, 06:06:56 PM
Pretty sure the ECB could sack the lot if they wanted so they sorta do have the power to make the decisions. Anyway, not a problem.. I doubt much will happen either, few wins against the crap nations and we'll be world beaters again

They have the power, but do they have the gonads?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: awp on January 19, 2014, 10:56:20 PM
Clarke, Haddin & Warner are resting next match.  Is this englands most likely chance for a win this tour?

Also, I posted a question in the first odi thread,  is kp available for selection?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: tim2000s on January 19, 2014, 11:04:06 PM
Clarke, Haddin & Warner are resting next match.  Is this englands most likely chance for a win this tour?

Also, I posted a question in the first odi thread,  is kp available for selection?
I believe he opted out of ODIs....

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Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 19, 2014, 11:09:21 PM
Does anybody know if KP intends to continue playing ODI cricket through to the World Cup?

I am pretty sure he just didn't want to play in the Australia series but I can't recall what exactly he said.  Will he play ODI cricket in the northern summer?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: csnew on January 20, 2014, 02:37:48 AM
Clarke, Haddin & Warner are resting next match.  Is this englands most likely chance for a win this tour?

Also, I posted a question in the first odi thread,  is kp available for selection?


Thought him and Anderson were "rested". Thought that 2 month break before the start of the ashes would be enough.

The way kp has been blamed and treated, won't surprise me if he retires from tests allowing him to have a massive ipl deal (2M+). Reckon kp could earn more playing the ipl and big bash than he does for England
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: awp on January 20, 2014, 03:01:23 AM
You mean everything isn't kp's fault all the time?

I don't think his ipl team retained his services? No doubt he would get another contract somewhere.

He's welcome at the Perth scorchers any time he likes...
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: csnew on January 20, 2014, 03:16:10 AM
You mean everything isn't kp's fault all the time?

I don't think his ipl team retained his services? No doubt he would get another contract somewhere.

He's welcome at the Perth scorchers any time he likes...

Yup not retained. Warner and kp could not agree on a salary with DD. No doubt both will get a higher price this time around
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 20, 2014, 03:16:59 AM
I am pretty sure KP is responsible for global warming... or at least a major contributor to it (lot's of hot air).

I would love to see KP in the BBL, but I am not sure how he would react to the crowds... I am sure he would even get booed at the Furnace whilst wearing orange... for some reason Aussies hate him?

It is such a pity about KP being KP because he is easily one of the most fluent, destructive batsmen to play for England and is a joy to watch.

Someone needs to lock his Twitter account!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 20, 2014, 03:18:16 AM
Yup not retained. Warner and kp could not agree on a salary. No doubt both get a higher price this time around

Do you perchance know what his last contract was for?  For some reason I think he got a reduced deal because of the ECB's schedule... but that oculd just be a figment of my imagination,
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 20, 2014, 06:50:10 AM
Do you perchance know what his last contract was for?  For some reason I think he got a reduced deal because of the ECB's schedule... but that oculd just be a figment of my imagination,

he would have done, but the reduction is done by pro rate-ing his stated salary for the percentage of the tournament that he is available, so if his stated salary was a million and he was available for half the games he'd get 500k
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 20, 2014, 07:32:33 AM
So the headline amount only of the deal is then pro rata'd?

According to the Telegraph (cringe) KP had a $2 million (£1.2 million) contract with the Delhi Daredevils...

Ka ching Pietersen
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: awp on January 20, 2014, 07:38:43 AM
I am pretty sure KP is responsible for global warming... or at least a major contributor to it (lot's of hot air).

I would love to see KP in the BBL, but I am not sure how he would react to the crowds... I am sure he would even get booed at the Furnace whilst wearing orange... for some reason Aussies hate him?

It is such a pity about KP being KP because he is easily one of the most fluent, destructive batsmen to play for England and is a joy to watch.

Someone needs to lock his Twitter account!

No, we only boo eastern staters, if he's wearing orange he's one of us!

PS - I think KP seems a magnet for critisism and perhaps a focus for the barbs from certain sections of the crowd.........where ever he goes, but Aussies do not hate KP as far as i can tell?

I love a bit of rock star about my sports stars.......false modesty is booring.......if people do get stuck into kp I'm the first to remind them that when qld was devistated by floods, kp put his hand in his own pocket and made a massive contribution and also mobilised his A lister friends who in turn donated to the relief fund very generously.......people forget about things like that........doesnt sell as many papers as the negative stuff........
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 20, 2014, 08:12:20 AM
So the headline amount only of the deal is then pro rata'd?

Exactly
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 20, 2014, 09:58:25 AM
can you imagine if kp retired from test cricket. it would kill the county game. the bowlers would just all retire crying.


didn't he return from injury and smash yorkshire for fun while he made 200?
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 20, 2014, 10:30:57 AM
No, we only boo eastern staters, if he's wearing orange he's one of us!

PS - I think KP seems a magnet for critisism and perhaps a focus for the barbs from certain sections of the crowd.........where ever he goes, but Aussies do not hate KP as far as i can tell?

I love a bit of rock star about my sports stars.......false modesty is booring.......if people do get stuck into kp I'm the first to remind them that when qld was devistated by floods, kp put his hand in his own pocket and made a massive contribution and also mobilised his A lister friends who in turn donated to the relief fund very generously.......people forget about things like that........doesnt sell as many papers as the negative stuff........

You need to have a word to JL and get him signed up then!  The Scorchers need a replacement for Gibbs.  Do you know why Gibbs wasn't retained for BBL3?

The Scorchers are a bit light up top (especially with Shaun Marsh in the Australian ODI squad - that is if CA does not release him) do you have anybody ready to fly in... I think Carberry might be available!  Since Giles doesn't seem to want to give him a game for England right now!
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 20, 2014, 10:36:46 AM
didn't he return from injury and smash yorkshire for fun while he made 200?

There was a little bit more to the story than that in that he was out twice before he reached double figures and was dropped on 15 (the massive nick behind off Sidebottom on 0 was just embarassing, though it gave Stuart Broad ideas) - though the 200 after that were more or less candy from a baby stuff.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: awp on January 20, 2014, 10:41:30 AM
There was a little bit more to the story than that in that he was out twice before he reached double figures and was dropped on 15 (the massive nick behind off Sidebottom on 0 was just embarassing, though it gave Stuart Broad ideas) - though the 200 after that were more or less candy from a baby stuff.
I think that innings is on youtube, awsome batting, made facing frontbottom look like hitting throw downs......
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Manormanic on January 20, 2014, 11:00:51 AM
I think that innings is on youtube, awsome batting, made facing frontbottom look like hitting throw downs......

I suspect that had something to do with eh verbals after the caught behind incident, and the fact that the two did not get along when their international careers coincided. It wasn't so much that that impressed me though, as the way he dismissed Rashid, who bowled really well, on a turning deck.
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: smilley792 on January 20, 2014, 11:06:59 AM
http://youtu.be/0AVH4Ai353E (http://youtu.be/0AVH4Ai353E)
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: awp on January 20, 2014, 01:29:45 PM
Thats the one, just teed off, I was hoping to see a bit of that in the test series......
Title: Re: Australia v England 3rd ODI - SCG
Post by: Cedrictoad on January 20, 2014, 02:19:49 PM
If that is angry KP then somebody needs to bring Andrew Strauss and Naz Hussain back into the dressing room to fire him up before innings!