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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: 19reading87 on January 25, 2014, 10:08:36 AM
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Having spoke to a fellow forum member about this, do you really need a low middled bat for a low deck, or visa versa a high middled bat on a bouncy track... Or is it all rubbish science?!
Then the question of what type of middle do you prefer on your bats and what type of wicket is your home ground?
Reds
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That would be me. And I don't buy into it nearly as much as companies seem to promote it. Just my opinion.
Decks lowish currently, used to be better. I use a high middled stick, no issues
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Didn't the crictech sheets prove 400no's point?
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I imagine the height of the player will also impact it slightly. The same bat could be used by people potentially 4-5 inches different in height and hit the ball in different places
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Also depends how you play, if your go after bowling and attack on the front foot, surely you'll hit the ball lower on the bat, than waiting back, and playing it late as it's got more time to get higher
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Personally I don't by into it at all really. I use a higher middle bat for 2 reasons. Firstly I'm an opening bat and ball is harder so will bounce a little more on most tracks. But mainly I'm not the tallest bloke so that's a factor but mainly because a higher middle bat just picks up better and that's a known fact due to better distribution of the wood and haveinh the bulk of weight in the middle of the blade will make it better balanced. The other thing to consider is that in the main middles in most bats and models are quite long now anyway. You also being on here have the option of custom made for very decent price so you can ask for a long middle which will suit all needs anyway.
There isn't really a bat with a middle 2inches from toe or 2 inches from splice that I'm aware of and in my view most of mine play well lower in the blade or slightly above main sweet spot.
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You tend to hit the ball higher up than you think anyway.
I use a mid middles bat but am mainly a front foot player (and had previously used lower middles bats).
At the end of the day I think sticking to one bat and knowing where the middle is helps, as then you slightly adapt to find the middle and you play accordingly.
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I'm sire it's a placebo effect, but I roll with it.
I, am attacking batsmen, try to get on front foot and hit over the top. So like my middles low low low. But have a few mid middle bats.
On arrival for midweek prem game, we was told due to weather it was artificial. And the oppo had a rapid attack. I was not middling anything, wasn't getting it off the square.
First 9 balls. 5 runs.
Switched to my mid middle bat. And was out for 52 of 27 balls.
Probably all in my head but it worked.
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I'm sire it's a placebo effect, but I roll with it.
I, am attacking batsmen, try to get on front foot and hit over the top. So like my middles low low low. But have a few mid middle bats.
On arrival for midweek prem game, we was told due to weather it was artificial. And the oppo had a rapid attack. I was not middling anything, wasn't getting it off the square.
First 9 balls. 5 runs.
Switched to my mid middle bat. And was out for 52 of 27 balls.
Probably all in my head but it worked.
This!
"It's the bats fault I'm not scoring runs, bring me another one"
Love it haha
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http://www.custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=15684.0
http://www.custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=26133.0
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I don't know, I feel that it does factor in somewhat. What Wilkie said is true, it depends on what kind of a batsman you are, and I guess the kind of pick up you like should reflect the middle position you go for. My batting has changed a lot recently, and I've found that I have been hitting the ball higher than usual. Whether this is because of a slight change in my batting, or because of the slightly bouncer surfaces in the nets, I'm not too sure.
I personally feel you will hit the ball a little higher at times on bouncer pitches, but you will instinctively adjust as you spend more time batting, and same goes for low pitches. You will adapt to the conditions, rather than letting the conditions change where you hit the ball on the bat.
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I don't know, I feel that it does factor in somewhat. What Wilkie said is true, it depends on what kind of a batsman you are, and I guess the kind of pick up you like should reflect the middle position you go for. My batting has changed a lot recently, and I've found that I have been hitting the ball higher than usual. Whether this is because of a slight change in my batting, or because of the slightly bouncer surfaces in the nets, I'm not too sure.
I personally feel you will hit the ball a little higher at times on bouncer pitches, but you will instinctively adjust as you spend more time batting, and same goes for low pitches. You will adapt to the conditions, rather than letting the conditions change where you hit the ball on the bat.
That was the crictech point. You instinctively adapt to the surface and get lower when it doesn't bounce. Essentially you still hit the same place on the bat but you legs and arms do the work.
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Surely using on of those sheets indoor doesn't give a true reflection of how you hit the ball? Balls natrually bounce more inside
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Would be interesting to see how height relates to middle position. I'm like chris and hit it higher up the blade. By that reckoning, do taller people use low middles?
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Surely using on of those sheets indoor doesn't give a true reflection of how you hit the ball? Balls natrually bounce more inside
It varies. I think wardens indoor nets bounce lower than most decks I played on last year. Ball skids on instead of sticking and bouncing. Same with Warwick school but that's due to lack of pace. Headingley nets certainly do bounce more than normal wickets.
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I use an M&H Original High, never had a problem any any type of wicket - the higher middle position helps with pickup and makes playing cross batted shots a lot easier. I love driving (it's probably my strongest shot) and have not problems at all smashing the ball to the boundary with it.
All mumbo jumbo to me really - The more I learn about bats the more i just want to go into a shop, pick it up, if it feels good use it! Simples.
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I've been wondering about this too lately. Would test players use a different bat if they were heading to India to play on pitches that keep lower if they came from Australia with the higher natural bounce?
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I feel it doesn't matter too much. What about the fact we are dynamic and can change depending on our environment. Therefore for example if you were to use a higher middle bat, over time would you change your technique and adapt to become successful? (Same goes for lower middle bat)
Just a theory.
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Another argument is a good bat with a long middle will cater for all wickets and batsman. Why put all your eggs in one basket?
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Get a decent middled bat , that picks up nicely for you.(this is the hard part of bat purchase?)
I would say though, that you will only know how it plays for you, when your out in the middle,on a grass wicket
The bounce on some astro wickets,these days is not a true reflection of a grass wicket.
I think, the sweet spot /bat middle position in relation to shot playing, only becomes relevant when the bat has a small middle
Try using your teams top run scorers bat(If he's daft enough!), and nine times out of ten, it will be an absolute gun
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Didn't someone do some research into this? I think it showed that you hit the ball with the same part of the bat regardless...
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Personally I feel the wicket does alter where you hit it. I've been playing in indoor nets recently which have some very high bounce and there is a relatively clear difference between the cherries on my bat (which I should probably have cleaned up :D) near the toe from our low bouncing home ground wickets and the higher cherries from the indoor nets.
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Try using your teams top run scorers bat(If he's daft enough!), and nine times out of ten, it will be an absolute gun
Lol that would be my gm icon+!
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Lol that would be my gm icon+!
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But if we include all games, Saturday and Sundays then it's clearly me :D
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Yap defenatly ! We play on artifficial pitches with matings so basically in North we have asphalt pitches with very thin Mats, which means high bounce so i use a bat with high middle, and when we travel to south they have hard tracks with very thick mats where generally ball keeps low so i take my low middle bats dere .
I feel comfortable :)
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Pitches Make no difference
Only difference in bats for me is this
Concaved = form bats narrower middle up and down the blade better pick ups.
None Concaved= More coverage but usually a higher weight mentally look less imposing too.
Higher middles allow for more weight on the bat but better pick up..
Lower middles are simply out of date bats or heavier bats with the middle elongaing through to near the toe.
Asian makers are not just the copiers people will have you think they have been setting the shapes people have been following for a long time now.
We all tend to hit the ball higher than we think we do ..
As per most things cricket related most people have a metal though about bats which is just blown up.
As somebody said to me it is a BAT
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Yap defenatly ! We play on artifficial pitches with matings so basically in North we have asphalt pitches with very thin Mats, which means high bounce so i use a bat with high middle, and when we travel to south they have hard tracks with very thick mats where generally ball keeps low so i take my low middle bats dere .
I feel comfortable :)
That sounds a bit extreme! Sounds like you don't play on grass at all!
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That sounds a bit extreme! Sounds like you don't play on grass atLeague
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No ! Its a bit unfair for batsmen but hey its weekend cricket hehee and that is the reason trundlers here thought they are Lee s and Akhtar s of League :)
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As one off the taller guys on the forum, I find that my usual hitting position on a short handle is about an inch lower than on a long blade. Funnily enough.
The point being that the middle position matters, but as crictech have pointed out many times, we tend to hit the ball in the same area of the bat, regardless of pitch type.
I'd suggest that the problem most on here have is that the bat isn't properly knocked in!
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I think with a higher middled bat you obviously have an advantage in terms of pickup and possibly bat speed. I'm just going on experience but mis-timing a ball lower down the blade on a high middled bat might result in a longer mis-hit than hitting a ball higher up the blade on a low middled bat. I'm sure Tim will have some thoughts on this?
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Again, depends a lot on the bat and blade length. For me, mis-timing with a short handle has resulted in not getting enough bat on blade, which results in played on. I think the key point about where on the bat the ball hits when not timing well is that when you hit the upper part of the blade, generally it's likely to be linked to being late on the shot and therefore the bat hasn't really gained appropriate speed, as opposed to towards the toe, where you are likely to be through your shot too early and therefore have attained maximum bat speed, which you would expect to result in a 'bigger' shot.
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The above probably explain why spliced shots float to bowler/mid on/mid off and a toed shot is skied.
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I have been using a single Newbery GT last season and managed to use all of the bat including the handle :D. I managed to get my highest scores and runs in a calender year personally using just the GT. I used to change bats every match according to the surface in 2012 and suffered badly as a result. I decided on sticking with the GT on the basis of it being a hybrid shape (slightest concave , edge thickness than traditional ), being Andy @SAF's favourite shape to replicate (that man knows a thing or two ), main scoring shot ( I cut like a madman) and the best of it was I totally loved the stickers and pick up. My new philosophy with bats is that all parameters such as pitch, weather , opposition, partners, balls are all variable, and the only constant is you and your bat. I like to keep it that way. When you have made enough runs with a certain profile/ bat you build a trust and start focusing on getting runs.
I went from this bat to
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(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Ssv15iMePHk/UXq6M2wy82I/AAAAAAAAAz0/KGXQ1D6kVRo/s800/P1010086.JPG)
to this GT
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u642/soulman1012/F274FE12-92E3-4537-AA97-D63F4D75D845-22598-000006A7ADD6A0C5_zps98d2d063.jpg)
(http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/u642/soulman1012/EDD04DBE-5ADA-4B09-96E3-A813C1A9EF81-22598-000006A7B61AF38F_zps30726816.jpg)
Just a thought , When India toured the OZ and got beaten badly , players like Sehwag , Dravid , Dhoni had their bats altered in weight , profile , handle length etc. None of them did well. I wonder what could have happened if they did stick to what it was initially.
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God that GT looks good :D
I was really tempted by one but seeing Paul from IJC's review about the middle being moved even higher on the cadbury sticker version I decided against it.
Very tempted to get one now!
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Well we stuck a crictech sheet on Redders net bat. We had a net at Kenilworth Wardens, a skiddy surface with probably a little less bounce than the average deck unless you dig it right in your half (thoughts reds?). Here's the results from our mixed test:-
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/ERlNiezxShmNi0UXb4iH0hiRLYPG5kka922c_HSf1ad3=w227-h577-no)
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Having spoke to a fellow forum member about this, do you really need a low middled bat for a low deck, or visa versa a high middled bat on a bouncy track... Or is it all rubbish science?!
Then the question of what type of middle do you prefer on your bats and what type of wicket is your home ground?
Reds
I'm an opening batsmen. Used a bats with a mid range middle. I like to cut and pull. The best bats I've used have been mid range middle. I also think as the balls new when you bat I always think there a bit of extra bounce.
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Well we stuck a crictech sheet on Redders net bat. We had a net at Kenilworth Wardens, a skiddy surface with probably a little less bounce than the average deck unless you dig it right in your half (thoughts reds?). Here's the results from our mixed test:-
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/ERlNiezxShmNi0UXb4iH0hiRLYPG5kka922c_HSf1ad3=w227-h577-no)
Looks like he'd be better off with a bat with a long middle, like an Amplus. I guess even if you have a bat with an ideally placed sweetspot, you get some invariable bounce which you sometimes just can't adjust to in time. :-[
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The impact sheets were really designed to be used for one particular shot at a time. The problem using them in a regular net is you'll get such a mixed bag of deliveries that the ball will hit all over the bat. You'd expect some defensive shots to hit high up near the splice, I guess if they were fuller you'd be driving them.
As for the type of wicket determining where the middle should be, it doesn't, but if you need some more convincing here's a little experiment you can do. Get a cardboard tube out of a kitchen roll and tee up a ball on it. Imagine your going to hit the ball along the deck in between cover and mid off. Is the ball at the perfect height for you? If not, cut a bit off the cardboard tube and repeat until it is. Now rub a tennis ball in the mud, put it on the tee, tape a piece of paper to your bat and hit the ball at your target. The mark will give you a reasonably good idea where your natural impact point is for that shot. Get a few of your team mates to do the same thing. What you'll find is the height of the tees vary from player to player and the marks on the bats are at different heights. All this shows is that for playing this one shot batsman A will hit the ball higher or lower on the bat than batsman B. To simulate a bouncy wicket get a cardboard tube that is 20 cm bigger and put it in exactly the same place as for your first drive. If the ball had bounced this high would you still be playing the same shot?
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I'm going to try that!