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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Manormanic on February 02, 2014, 02:25:44 PM
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/695963.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/695963.html)
Good performances from Sam Robson and Mark Wood, with Jonny Bairstow seemingly finding a bit of form as well.
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good to see at least one of the england mens teams doing well
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Good for Bairstow to get some time in the middle after being thrown into the Ashes series.
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See Borthwick got some tap - you look at the young lad Muirehead in the Aussie team at 20 vs our young leggys (Waller, Borthwick and the lad at Essex etc and there some difference in control & genuine turn - poles apart).
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is this where I remind everyone about Rash....ah sod it, his cars are marked!
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I'd rather they were playing shield cricket in aus tbh
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I'd rather they were playing shield cricket in aus tbh
Why?
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Why?
Because I suspect they'd learn a darn sight more and the selectors would learn a darn sight more if they were playing competitive (probably a better standard!) 4 day cricket.
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I think Sam Robson has a good chance for a test call up v Sri Lanka. 3 hundreds on the bounce for England Performance Programme and Lions.
Muirhead looks promising but has hardly played. I quite like Cameron Boyce as well. Couple decent leggies plus Lyon and maybe Agar, spin department looks good for the Aussies.
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So bairstow has another ton.
Kerrigan has 5 wickets in the match, and Borthwick 4 in the first innings.
Then I've just read that onions has been called up to the lions tour as fast bowler cover?
What? What? What?
I'm pretty sure onions is in a different league than what's on tour, how can he be classed as cover?
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Onions has been playing FC in South Africa, which is more than likely a better standard of cricket than the glorified jolly of an A tour. He hasn't really been pulling up trees either.
I'm not a subscriber to the Onions has been wronged club. His last performance in an England shirt was terrible, his pace is down and he is getting on a bit.
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Because I suspect they'd learn a darn sight more and the selectors would learn a darn sight more if they were playing competitive (probably a better standard!) 4 day cricket.
There's more to the cricketing world than playing in Aus
when else will they get the experience of playing in SL conditions? this is all part of their development
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There's more to the cricketing world than playing in Aus
when else will they get the experience of playing in SL conditions? this is all part of their development
You rotate through the different areas, so spend time on FC in aus, sa, so, India etc. give you experience of the whole lot then
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Onions wronged? I'm not sure he would have gone on to achieve very much after a recall to the squad but you can't argue that he made a compelling case for selection for this tour - especially when compared with Rankin and Tremlett!
Interesting on a separate note to see Plunkett doing well for England - even if it was in the wrong discipline!
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Surprised there's no more comment about this, seeing as England are supposedly in turmoil and this is the next generation!
lions going well today - Robeson and Taylor tucking in. onions the pick of the bowlers. Spinners maybe a bit of a worry though? Borthers a little expensive, Rayner a little impotent - and where's Moeen for this match, I thought he was our best spinner in the last game?
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Just saw that Robson got another ton. He's trying his best to get into the test side isn't he? Fancy his chances or think selectors will be too scared?
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I know its SL A but still good to see Robson and Taylor getting some FC runs in.
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Just saw that Robson got another ton. He's trying his best to get into the test side isn't he? Fancy his chances or think selectors will be too scared?
They did it with Root and we've got lots of space int he side currently.... I hope they go for it.
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This series, woakes is skipper yeah? And ever aging 100 with the bat and 14 with the ball.
Got to be happy with that. Is he pushing for a recall?
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Hope not, just doesn't cut it with either bat or ball at the international level for me. Another Samit Patel, average at best in both disciplines.
Saying that, I hope he proves me wrong and a good all rounder is worth their weight in gold!
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I don't think that Woakes does enough enough with the ball for the pace he seems to bowl, and to me his batting would be a bonus. Another All Rounder would be lovely but Stokesy cemented his place for the summer.
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They did it with Root and we've got lots of space int he side currently.... I hope they go for it.
If you were ever going to try somebody out, it would be this summer. Would be happy to see our line up have both Robson and Taylor in.
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Completely agree! The team needs to be rebuilt not having older players who failed before coming back in. I think at least with A.Giles this will be the attitude.
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Are any of these next generation players on the forum yet??
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Surprised there's no more comment about this, seeing as England are supposedly in turmoil and this is the next generation!
lions going well today - Robeson and Taylor tucking in. onions the pick of the bowlers. Spinners maybe a bit of a worry though? Borthers a little expensive, Rayner a little impotent - and where's Moeen for this match, I thought he was our best spinner in the last game?
Ali is with the full side for the WI hits and giggles.
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Taylor going nicely for England, 242 from 339
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It may be hard to ignore Robson and Taylor at the moment (they sound like a double act!!)
If they carry on their good form, surely they would be included in the next Test squad? And I suspect that Robson may stand the best chance of getting in the 1st XI team, as there is still uncertainty for the second openers spot?
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Cook
Robson
Bell
Taylor
Root
Stokes
?????
Is there enough experience there?
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Sri lanka and india would be a good series to fit a new opener in.england will go with a younger side no carberry will miss out i think
Robson to open with cook,not sure where root fits in but he will
Might help robson fraser has just been made a selector :)
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I'd say that Cook, Robson, Bell and Root are locked on to become four of the top five this summer. That leaves one batting spot, unless Stokes is to be the fourth of four bowlers which I think is unlikely to be a long term strategy. At this point, that means one from Trott, who gets in if fit, Taylor, Morgan and Ballance...
The experience issue favours Morgan, as does the lack of panache in the side post KP.
Interestingly of the bowlers, I think Drunky has probably done most to further his cause - useful runs and extreme pace would go well in a five man attack!
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Cook
Robson
Bell
Taylor
Root
Stokes
This is the 6 that were in my thoughts, but I also think that Morgan is in with a shout having 'matured' since his last Test stint and is now an invaluable member of the one day set up. I think it is a case of having a few players for a couple of spots but no outstanding player to fill the void without question.
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If Moeen Ali is a good enough spinner along with Root bowling some overs could it be
Cook
Robson
Bell
Root
Morgan
Ali
Stokes
Prior
Broad
Finn
Anderson
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Cook
Robson
Bell
Taylor
Root
Stokes
Is there enough experience there?
forget experience that is the tamest looking batting line up I have seen
To win test matches consistently you need batsmen who can take the game to the opposition.
If you look at the best teams - Bradman's invincibles, Windies in the 80's, Aussies through the late 90s-2000's Vaughan's England team - the Indian team that made it to number one, before they crashed and the Saffers - they all have someone in the top 3 who can take a team apart - even the current aussies have Warner.
We need to have a much better balance of stroke players and blockers - otherwise we let the opposition bowl at us which puts the middle order under too much pressure.
So Cook needs an opening partner who hits boundaries - trescothic style otherwise we will never put the opposition under pressure.
I am not saying these guys aren't good talented players - but no one is going to loose sleep over bowling at them.
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Kp to open........ Oh wait.
Morgan won't bat higher than five in t20 so not sure he will in test. I agree with your premise, I just can't see an opener, no.3 out there to suit.
Well lumb hales and wright aren't test class, and Carberry the attacking batsmen, was nearly as slow as root, Compton.
Stokes at 3?
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Stokes at 3?
hahaha good one :)
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The corner stones should be cook to open, bell at 3, prior to keep and bat at 6. Fill the rest of the top 6 as you see fit. Stokes at 7. Then broad, onions and Anderson plus a spinner, either Rashid or Borthwick.
Give Mills a year of lions cricket then get him in for the ashes.
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hahaha good one :)
I've noticed you barely offer much insight on the forum. Merely choose to poke fun at others opinions/ideas. Especially taking them out of context to the conversation.
Anyone can edit a quote from a convo and make it look silly. So instead why not try to answer the dilemma buzz put forward. Or are you just interested in earning likes?
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Stokes at three is a terrible idea. He has played four Test matches, in which he has shown potential and played one excellent up yours knock. His situation is similar to that of Joe Root 12-15 months ago, when he was painted as the great white hope rather than what he was, a highly promising player who had success on relatively passive pitches in games where he hadn't been required to force the pace.
Root was then thrust into the opening position against the Australians far too quickly and has struggled since, that Lord's knock aside, when he could still have been out very early on. If you look at Stokes, his batting technique is rudimentary and would, against a hard new ball and fresh quicks, probably not stand up to the task more often than not. This would be a sensible appraisal of what he has achieved so far. It is not unlike Flintoff's technique when he started playing Test cricket. Also, Stokes would be required to bowl a good few overs, and young all-rounders have a propensity to either bowl or bat well in a single game - too much of a risk for this for this brave new England.
The person who bats two or three will need to have a grooved game, Trott and Strauss are two examples of people who knew their games inside out and made an instant impact. It's why kolpaks/residency players have often been picked - they have had an enforced period in which to qualify and learn rather than being plucked out like Root and Stokes too early. I would be inclined to look to someone like ... well there isn't an obvious choice at the moment. I think Buzz is painting an ideal of what he would like. I don't think there is anyone ready to go. In that case, I would expect Trott to be welcomed back as soon as possible. The other opener, well, I don't know and haven't really seen anyone (I only really see div 2 stuff live, so wouldn't expect too). So I won't post silly examples.
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Another Ton for Robson. He's banging on that door!
That's 4 tons in his last 5 games.
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Another Ton for Robson. He's banging on that door!
That's 4 tons in his last 5 games.
Yeah, he's too busy scoring runs to even bother with Twitter. ;)
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He has averaged over 75 in the last 4 games, with 3 tons in those 4 matches!
He's making a strong case for himself!
But am I right in saying that as he has dual nationality (Aus Dad and Eng Mum) that he could still (in theory) play for either side?
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He has averaged over 75 in the last 4 games, with 3 tons in those 4 matches!
He's making a strong case for himself!
But am I right in saying that as he has dual nationality (Aus Dad and Eng Mum) that he could still (in theory) play for either side?
He has apparently committed to England on the basis that he wanted to play county cricket as a domestic player rather than as a foreigner where quotas apply.
Early on, he simply would not have got a game as a foreigner as others were better than him.
The last two seasons he has improved out of sight.
He was offered the chance to play First Class cricket in Australia this last summer, but he refused.
So, he is all yours now.
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He has apparently committed to England on the basis that he wanted to play county cricket as a domestic player rather than as a foreigner where quotas apply.
Early on, he simply would not have got a game as a foreigner as others were better than him.
The last two seasons he has improved out of sight.
He was offered the chance to play First Class cricket in Australia this last summer, but he refused.
So, he is all yours now.
So if he makes the Eng test team in time for the next ashes, what type of reception can he expect?