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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: smilley792 on February 07, 2014, 12:04:25 AM
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India's bowlers not doing well.
Well batted mcullum, 200 up! Of 280balls.
Williamson ton
Anderson 77
India looking a tad like England In aus, I'm gonna presume they'll bat better though.
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Why arent the Kiwis watching this live? The ground is almost completely empty. Missing out on some carnage.
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The Williamson and McCullum partnership yesterday was majestic. Yes it's flat but lovely stroke play.
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10/3...nightmare start for India
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NZ were 3/20 odd as well...
So maybe not so bad for India... maybe
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Surprised Dhoni is not being put to that level of scrutiny as other captains would have been to. India is losing series after series abroad and now this ridiculously poor performance.
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#BlameKP
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Well, when they lost 3, I thought, maybe they will bat like England, a big if a fight back though, which shows abit more guts!
Seeing as pujara and root get mentioned a lot on here, good to see pujara taking note and chasing a wide one too......
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Surprised Dhoni is not being put to that level of scrutiny as other captains would have been to. India is losing series after series abroad and now this ridiculously poor performance.
I think because he is still doing pretty well himself (Batting/Keeping) the spotlight goes off him and onto the guys that are struggling. Id say if Cook had still been scoring runs in the latest Ashes series he would have been fine, because he didn't, everything about him was scrutinized.
On another note. How good are we (NZ) playing at the moment. We just missed out on a series win over England at home by one wicket, beat WI easily and now are making esy work of India. I have been waiting along time for this...
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3wickkets in ten minutes India lost at the beginning off play. maybe thy do bat like England?
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New Zealand are a decent side no doubt gae England a tough few series and they have improved no end. Travis Boult is a very good bowler
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New Zealand are a decent side no doubt gae England a tough few series and they have improved no end. Travis Boult is a very good bowler
and Trent Boult's even better! :D
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Haha fair shout decent player him they find one more bowler they be a seriously decent side
Might have a punt on them for the 20/20 World Cup
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I've already took that punt lol.
currently nz are a veery grid side, and have a few in The wings good enough too. strength in depth.
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188 for 9.
Not sure if India are looking like they have no fight? Or think they are in a t20. There just wafting at everything,
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Bring back Jesse Ryder, my kind of cricketer.
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I like Jesse not sure he's at test level again yet.
India all out, and not enforcing follow on,
If I was nz I'd open with Anderson or mcullum and be a little attacking, just kill as much of the Indians spirit(if they have any left) as you can.
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I would let India graze in the field for as long as possible.
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I would let India graze in the field for as long as possible.
You can do that after a 20ball hundred.
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I would let India graze in the field for as long as possible.
Yep, bat bat bat, bat some more... Think about batting, bat some more. Send their bowlers to the knacker yard in perpetration for then2nd test
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Rather incredible that India batted pretty well in South Africa, and blunted Steyn and Philander for much of that series. Only in the second Test Steyn went through them.
Yet here in New Zealand, against a workman like attack, they've thrown in the towel.
I'm feel for their fans, paying loads of cash to see such a meek batting effort
India hasn't won a Test outside India since Sabina Park in 2011. Since then they are 0-2-9 and on the way to a 10th defeat.
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Rather incredible that India batted pretty well in South Africa, and blunted Steyn and Philander for much of that series. Only in the second Test Steyn went through them.
Yet here in New Zealand, against a workman like attack, they've thrown in the towel.
I'm feel for their fans, paying loads of cash to see such a meek batting effort
India hasn't won a Test outside India since Sabina Park in 2011. Since then they are 0-2-9 and on the way to a 10th defeat.
It's ok, they will win in England this summer and then play a million matches at home to restore batting avgs
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It's ok, they will win in England this summer and then play a million matches at home to restore batting avgs
As most probably know on here, I love a good stat.
So here goes:
In their 60 odd year history of playing Test cricket, India's won two series in England
Unless they suddenly unearth a couple of high class bowler to partner Shami Mohammad, there's more chance Tim Hennan will come out of retirement and win Wimbledon!
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Absolute carnage in the Kiwis second dig.
15-4. Shami bowling nicely. He seems to be the only Indian fast bowler able to learn on his feet. Jadeja is some fielder. India needs to ditch Khan and select the pacey Yadav in the future.
Still can't figure out why McCullum decided to bat on...
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India could still make something of this, if they bowled NZ for a 100 odd.
On a side note, I think one of the reasons questions are not raised over India's generally woeful performances overseas is that people don't expect much - if they win its a bonus. As long as they remain champs at home.
I do think its a crap way to go about things though, if you really aim to be a proper number one, you have to win everywhere. India don't really have an excuse either, 1.2 billion people, where cricket is by far the most popular sport (for example in other countries cricket has to compete for talent with plenty of other sports eg football/soccer in England), and still can't create a world beating team despite all of those demographics being so much in favour and all the money involved. I could go on and on about this topic, so I'll leave it at that.
NZ are looking very good, the best I have seen in a long time. Could do very well in the upcoming T-20 world cup.
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Good fight back from India, but too little too late?
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Managed to get Ross Taylor out, so there is some hope if they can wrap it up quickly - which is not something they have done too well in the past. Hopefully they manage it this time, will set up this match beautifully if India have to chase 400 odd with 2 days to go - both teams then have a good chance at winning the match.
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Oh dear the days of old are coming back to haunt me…
Lucky for the 500 in the first innings. Should still win.
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I don't know... one thing Indian batsmen can do is bat on a low, turning track... 407 could be done
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India could do it, although according to the commentators only been done 4 times in 2,000 odd tests - I'll back go do it!
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India could still make something of this, if they bowled NZ for a 100 odd.
On a side note, I think one of the reasons questions are not raised over India's generally woeful performances overseas is that people don't expect much - if they win its a bonus. As long as they remain champs at home.
I do think its a crap way to go about things though, if you really aim to be a proper number one, you have to win everywhere. India don't really have an excuse either, 1.2 billion people, where cricket is by far the most popular sport (for example in other countries cricket has to compete for talent with plenty of other sports eg football/soccer in England), and still can't create a world beating team despite all of those demographics being so much in favour and all the money involved. I could go on and on about this topic, so I'll leave it at that.
NZ are looking very good, the best I have seen in a long time. Could do very well in the upcoming T-20 world cup.
I gather you don't like India much I thought it was 11 v 11 .
Anyway back to cricket.
There a man tailor made to do this for then no point me mentioning him my theory is for India to win he has to bat all day tomorrow because some of the shot selection at best in the first innings was very poor .
Set up to be a great test I think New Zealand are shading it though lets see if India have much fight .
Agree with Gerry India got no bowling to be a real top side.
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I gather you don't like India much I thought it was 11 v 11 .
Anyway back to cricket.
There a man tailor made to do this for then no point me mentioning him my theory is for India to win he has to bat all day tomorrow because some of the shot selection at best in the first innings was very poor .
Set up to be a great test I think New Zealand are shading it though lets see if India have much fight .
Agree with Gerry India got no bowling to be a real top side.
India are my team - I am Indian, they have always been poor overseas historically with a few exceptions here and there - it has gotten worse in the last 2-3 years.
Anyways back to the cricket like you said - I think India have played very well in the second innings, didn't let the lower order get away either. At 87 for 1 I think they have a great chance if they bat well. NZ will be ruing the way they have let India back in here from a seemingly unassailable position. They have let India get a sniff here.
Either way should be a great match, with a result one way or the other (unless weather intervenes).
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Pujara the man to take this home I think he needs to bat for a day though
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How Kohli goes will also be critical, him and Pujara are the two world class bats India have. Rohit Sharma finally played a good innings overseas, so hopefully that adds to his confidence and he can play well in the second innings.
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I didn't expect to wake upto that score!
Game on now
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Hopefully (for us) Dhawan bats through the morning because he can score the big hundreds on his day. Basically we can't afford to lose more than 2 wickets in the first 2 sessions tomorrow, and one of Kohli or Pujara has to be there. If we could win this it would be on par with that great win against Australia following on, but it looks more than uphill from here.
Must mention just how good New Zealand have been throughout this tour, they've just seemed the hungrier side always wanting the win that much more than us Indians. Some of our players don't deserve to be there and I'm sure there are more than enough young players back home who deserve a chance with the ball. We keep sticking with Ishant and Zaheer and it comes off once in 10 innings or so and everyone forgets how s*** they really are.
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I think nz getting slapped about by India nw!
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Chase looks on now. These 2 probably will need to score the bulk of the runs.
New ball will be key. Southee looks the most dangerous
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Interesting session of play.
Southee and Wagner where magnificent. Made it hard for Dhawan, Pujara and Kohli to score.
Southee got Pujara with a great delivery. A rare poor match got India's run machine.
Kohli looked like a punch drunk boxer of the first 30mins of his innings, but has rode the storm. Gotta admit I thought Kohli was pretty overrated, but he's looking the real deal.
More impressively Dhawan seems to have grown a brain and learnt how to build an innings rather than just blast everything.
Boult's been very poor thus far in this innings.
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It's about. 40 degrees here in Melbourne. Cricket cancelled this W/E - too hot.
I am going to flick this on the TV starting in 30 minutes and watch what could be a cracker game!
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Dhawan takes Ish Sodhi apart to bring up his second Test hundred.
A very important innings for a very important member of India's batting unit.
Dhawan, the penny's finally dropped, get in then play your shots.
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Amazing turnaround by India - old adage holds that drop catches and you gotta pay! Was it McCullum who dropped Dhavan earlier in the innings?
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Amazing turnaround by India - old adage holds that drop catches and you gotta pay! Was it McCullum who dropped Dhavan earlier in the innings?
Yes mate, McCullum dropped Dhawan on 0 :o
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With India on 230/3 chasing 407 you would have to have your money on India.
Especially considering time is not a factor at all!
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Does sharma ever look comfortable starting off an innings.
Always playing and missing.
Feel sorry for the leggy getting torn apart earlier
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Looking good at 3/230, though still a while to go. Dhawan need to keep going, and the other have to play around him. Well played, he's got the talent and he's finally figured out how to build an innings on foreign soil where the wickets are different to back home.
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Dhawan is out, I had hoped these two could be there for the new ball. Good ball though.
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Think it's still nz's game now. New ball should see 2/3 wickets fall
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Wicket - game on! Beer time!
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Haha No Drs :D
Rahane doesn't look like a international cricketer.
Nz should finish this tonight
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Yeah that No DRS has bitten India a few times. 6 down now, looks pretty grim at the moment if you are an Indian supporter.
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Yeah that No DRS has bitten India a few times. 6 down now, looks pretty grim at the moment if you are an Indian supporter.
Was always on the cards given how they struggle against the moving ball. Probably Kohli's poor shot cost them, he needed to get a few more if they were to win
Best option is what they are currently doing; Counter attack and hope something will happen.
Could be interesting.
3 number 11's to come though
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Jadeja and Dhoni have to take the team home. If one of them does not survive till the end, game over for India I feel.
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Doubt dhoni can do it on his own now.
Deserved victory for nz
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Doubt it too.. Just the tail to go and 82 runs more is too much to ask for.
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Looks like Khan's not going to bother playing for dhoni either. He's not going to last long playing like that. And dhoni gives him the strike
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Dhoni looks like he's out on a no ball?! Game over!
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Brilliant from Wagner. Probably the difference between winning this game and losing.
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No ball or not.. I think NZL deserved to win. Well played!!
Good game of cricket..
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Agreed entertaining game.
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Bit of controversy there on the no ball, but yeah on balance NZ deserved to win. Great match.
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Pretty sure Watling was bowled off a massive Sharma no ball as well....
Umpiring adds to the charm of the game... DRS Out!!! ha ha
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fantastic game of cricket.
although nz made that alot closer than it needed to be.
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Great game, we were always going to be chasing it after conceeding 500 in the first innings. Nearly pulled it off, but as it proved a few bad sessions have cost us the game. Really disappointed with how Kohli got out, he looked really determined to see it through with his innings this morning.
Well played New Zealand though, they're looking a really good team with excellent spirit and fight. Only question for them would be a spinner and an opener (or two!)
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Hindsight if NZL had lost today, their decision to not enforce follow-on would have come under major scrutiny as well..
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Not sure I agree with 'NZ deserved to win'.
India's bowling and fielding was pitiful after winning a crucial toss. Had they bowled 5-10% better, NZ wouldn't have got anyway near 500.
Both sides are rather average.
NZ probably slightly better with the ball
India probably better with the ball.
NZ actually need a spinner who can hold up an end and build pressure. Or get Doug Bracewell in as the 4th seamer. Using Williamson & Anderson as their 5/6th bowlers. Plus get Guptill and Ryder in as openers at Rutherford & Fulton are awful.
India's bowling, whilst it found its mojo in NZs second dig, it needs strengthening. Probably ditch Khan for Yadav, extra pace and NZ struggled with Shami Mohammad's extra pace. Maybe also axe Rahane and get Ashwin in at 6 as a batting all rounder.
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India performed woefully in the first innings (both with bat and ball). Managed to almost catch up with a fine display in the second innings, but weren't quite good enough. NZ's leg spinner Sodhi wasn't too flash, but their quickies bowled pretty well.
Ashwin as a bowling all rounder is an idea that I also think might be worth trying. He has been pretty impressive with the bat in his career thus far.
At the same time I think Rahane does deserve a longer run to see if he can establish himself. Plenty of other players have been given alot of chances, I think he deserves it as much. His first class average is almost 60 which suggests he has the capability to be a very good bat. He also got a poor decision in the second innings, though India's reluctance to embrace DRS has bitten them many times before and will continue to do so.
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Rahane got 2 unbeaten half centuries and 95 odd in 2 tests in South Africa and he looks like he can handle himself against the quick stuff. If he hadn't gotten unlucky with the LBW I would've put money on India to win but oh well that's cricket.
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Yeah, Rahane was looking very good till that Leg before, was almost run a ball, and has the technique to handle the new ball. May have been very different, but like you say thats cricket - some go for you others don't. But that is why I don't get the reluctance to use DRS. Sure you will also have times when you would have got away with it, but with DRS they give you out, and of course the flipside like Rahane where you are given out but can overturn it. I think the general argument is (pre DRS or without it) that umpire decisions tend to even out ie you win some and you lose some. That may be true, but with DRS at least when you are given out on review, you know you are definitely out (with very rare exceptions where there are still some doubts) and vice versa.
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2nd test nz 3 down and in trouble on a very green wicket!
latham on debut struggled to fill Ross Taylor boots.
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I woke up to a score of 133/6..
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India bowled pretty well, but it could have been way better - two wickets off no balls, a meaningless over to Jadeja who got hit for a couple of sixes. Still pretty good, but we have to see how India bat. Hopefully the will do better than their first innings in the last match.
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Looks like India got the best of the conditions. Whoever won the toss would have had a massive advantage.
India will be happy with a 1-1 drawn series.
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Cannot believe so many no balls not given. Or am I getting the rules wrong?
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Cannot believe so many no balls not given. Or am I getting the rules wrong?
Your interpretation of the rules is perfectly okay, guys from both teams getting away with a fair bit.
India have done well, have a good foundation from which to try and level the series.
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Cannot believe so many no balls not given. Or am I getting the rules wrong?
I have noticed that this is starting to happen more now, it seems that umpires aren't really checking anymore and are getting the third umpire to check when wickets fall as a failsafe
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Didn't realise that MSD had spartan gear.
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I have noticed that this is starting to happen more now, it seems that umpires aren't really checking anymore and are getting the third umpire to check when wickets fall as a failsafe
Drs!( and I am asad that there is no dfs I this series)
Umps over the last few years have put more effort into lbw decisions due to drs(they don't want to be overturned) that the no ball has taken a back seat. And it now only counts when out. As they check then, every god dam time!
So once there in that habit, they stick to it,
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Didn't realise that MSD had spartan gear.
Only bat, rest is still ss isn't it?
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Since Dec 13 apparently...
Batting apparel only
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Keeping gear is a Spartan/SS hybrid
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Aside from the woeful bowling display in New Zealand's first dig at Auckland, where they bowled far too short. The Indians have been irresistible since then.
Ishant Sharma has surprised me. Bowled with discipline and control. Shami Mohammad has proper gas and is a wicket taker. Jadeja is a top quality prospect. Only Khan is the weak link at present. In time would be interesting to see Yadav/Pandey get in as the third seamer.
Dhawan seems to have done something Sehwag wasn't willing to do. Dig in and then cash in when the ball gets softer.
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It dogs seem to be just. A slow start for the Indian bowlers. Done well since!
Nz Definately missed Taylor in that first innings though,
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Does anyone else think that Ajinkya Rahane looks like Cousin Cleetus from the Simpsons?
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How was Rahane's innings? Pleasure to watch or did he grind it through?
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Paint drying was more interesting... Dhoni gave a master class on weird technique and walking across stumps...
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Paint drying was more interesting... Dhoni gave a master class on weird technique and walking across stumps...
:D :D :D
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rahane sent me to sleep.
but a test ton is a test ton. well batted good sir
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rahane sent me to sleep.
but a test ton is a test ton. well batted good sir
You don't get extra runs for style ;)
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Rahane scored 100 off 149 balls, not quite sure how that can be termed 'like watching paint dry'.
His strike rate was a rather healthy 67.
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Big come back from NZ... very unexpected
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I kinda expected this after they failed to break the partnership yesterday. India have a habit of letting this sorta thing happen. Didn't think it would go this far though.
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Being an Indian fan is one of the most frustrating things in the world! How we have managed to throw 4 tests in a row is quite remarkable.
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Being an Indian fan is one of the most frustrating things in the world! How we have managed to throw 4 tests in a row is quite remarkable.
I think the issue for India is that they have forgot how to win abroad. They was in a very good position, and I bet talk of a victory came out, not just on the field/in the dressing room, but pressure then built. And they've thrown this away.
Tomorrow will be interesting, people will say tis against cricket blah blah, but if I were mcullum I'd bat tomorrow and get 300 for myself. And them continue batting and aim for Lara's 400.
Draw means a series win.
They do not wanna declare overnight. India have the batsmen to make 325 in a day easy to win. Plus the pitch looks very batsmen friendly, and I don't think nz will bowl India out on it, which means a draw or a loss anyway.
So you might aswell let mcullum attempt the record. And have some huge celebrations regarding.
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If he gets 400 I'll open a bottle Marlborough Sav Blanc, who am I kidding I'll do it if he gets 300........ Ok I'm going to do it regardless!
Wouldn't mind seeing Dhoni bowl again!
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If he gets 400 I'll open a bottle Marlborough Sav Blanc, who am I kidding I'll do it if he gets 300........ Ok I'm going to do it regardless!
Wouldn't mind seeing Dhoni bowl again!
I think for comedy purposes, dhoni should start referring to himself as the "5th" bowler when he's questioned on his sides selection in press conferences.
Same for Warner, Clarke should always say "we've gone for this side as Warner being 5th choice bowler adds balance to the set up"
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Hmmm but the Aussies are winning!
I did watch that 1 over then he went back to keeping.
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McCullum breaking Lara's 400 or Crowe's 299 is a joke in itself.
A fairly average player, averaging 35/36 prior this series, it's laughable that he's got two scores over 200 in the space of 7-9 days.
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McCullum breaking Lara's 400 or Crowe's 299 is a joke in itself.
A fairly average player, averaging 35/36 prior this series, it's laughable that he's got two scores over 200 in the space of 7-9 days.
What a hater! How is it laughable that a person has scored two 200's in 7 days? He's in the form of his life. Please don't be jealous because your team is getting owned. Let us Kiwis finally bask in some sort of glory, its been a very long time.
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What a hater! How is it laughable that a person has scored two 200's in 7 days? He's in the form of his life. Please don't be jealous because your team is getting owned. Let us Kiwis finally bask in some sort of glory, its been a very long time.
Hater? What are you 10 years old...
McCullum in the form of his life? You sound as deluded as Iain Smith. He's been dropped 3/4 times.
South Africa could lose 0-3 to Australia, will I burst into tears? No chance.
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McCullum breaking Lara's 400 or Crowe's 299 is a joke in itself.
A fairly average player, averaging 35/36 prior this series, it's laughable that he's got two scores over 200 in the space of 7-9 days.
Why is it laughable that he has scored 2 double tons in one test series against the 2nd best team in the world? 1 would be impressive, 2 suggests he is a very, very good player in very good form. I find that worthy of respect not amusement.
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Why is it laughable that he has scored 2 double tons in one test series against the 2nd best team in the world? 1 would be impressive, 2 suggests he is a very, very good player in very good form. I find that worthy of respect not amusement.
India aren't the real number 2 ranked side.
I'm not sure how the rankings work, but aside that hasn't won a Test away from home in nearly 3 years shouldn't be ranked 2.
Very, very good player? Don't be silly. Average player, flogging a terrible team around.
Unless you missed it, just 4 weeks ago, this same attack nearly conceded the world record chase to South Africa.
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Some people just can't come to praise someone for achievements.
Me, well I'd give my left bollock to be in a position to score a double ton against India, never mind actually doing it twice.
Anyone good enough to do it should be applauded, to belittle it is pathetic.
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India aren't the real number 2 ranked side.
I'm not sure how the rankings work, but aside that hasn't won a Test away from home in nearly 3 years shouldn't be ranked 2.
Very, very good player? Don't be silly. Average player, flogging a terrible team around.
Unless you missed it, just 4 weeks ago, this same attack nearly conceded the world record chase to South Africa.
Did you have chips for tea Gerry?? There seems to be one on your shoulder...
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India aren't the real number 2 ranked side.
I'm not sure how the rankings work, but aside that hasn't won a Test away from home in nearly 3 years shouldn't be ranked 2.
Very, very good player? Don't be silly. Average player, flogging a terrible team around.
Unless you missed it, just 4 weeks ago, this same attack nearly conceded the world record chase to South Africa.
I would have been prepared to have had a nice conversation on this subject had you not called me silly and not referred to India as a terrible team. Neither are a accurate so I'm not going to waste my time. Have a good day.
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Some people just can't come to praise someone for achievements.
Me, well I'd give my left bollock to be in a position to score a double ton against India, never mind actually doing it twice.
Anyone good enough to do it should be applauded, to belittle it is pathetic.
Give Dhoni a call, I'm sure he'd be more than happy to let you get 200,300,1000 runs.
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Did you have chips for tea Gerry?? There seems to be one on your shoulder...
More a potato waffle kinda of guy...
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More a potato waffle kinda of guy...
You certainly waffle on at any rate ;)
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You certainly waffle on at any rate ;)
I'll tell you what,(waffling, no waffling, chips or whatever else), if McCullum ever scores a 200 against Australia, South Africa or England - I'll give him some kudos. Until then, I've got no more to say.
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Don't argue with him cam! No point, whatever his reply, he'll get Vic and every other aus/Sa member clicking the like button. Better to ignore and move on.
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Don't argue with him cam! No point, whatever his reply, he'll get Vic and every other aus/Sa member clicking the like button. Better to ignore and move on.
I was only trying to have a bit of fun, should have realised that wasn't going to happen on this thread really :-[
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happy to see mccullum do well, always comes across as a top bloke!
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I'll tell you what,(waffling, no waffling, chips or whatever else), if McCullum ever scores a 200 against Australia, South Africa or England - I'll give him some kudos. Until then, I've got no more to say.
If England were in town now I'd back McCullum to do the same. Mate your getting burned on here, I hate when people who are obviously wrong continue to stay on course, just give it up.
What ever your reason is, a test match century against anyone is still a massive achievement but 200 twice against the number 2 test side is amazing (Dizzy Gillespie's 200 vs Bangaladesh is one of my all time highlights). NZ were 52/3 and in all sorts when he strode to the wicket. What planet are you on?
McCullum is a star in all three formats, amazing fielder and getting better and better as a captain.
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Hater? What are you 10 years old...
McCullum in the form of his life? You sound as deluded as Iain Smith. He's been dropped 3/4 times.
South Africa could lose 0-3 to Australia, will I burst into tears? No chance.
Scored a few double ton's without giving chances have you. Deluded? Feel like creating a poll asking who thinks Gerry SA is deluded. I already know the result though.
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Jeremy Coney is my favourite studio pundit by a million miles.
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Food for thought
Since 2009 these are the number of double 100s scored against the 4 sides that have been ranked world number 1.
South Africa 2 - Clarke 259* & 230
England 3 - Sarwan 291, Amla 311* & Pujara 206*
Australia 5 - Tendulkar 214, Cook 235*, Pietersen 227, Dhoni 224 & Pujara 204
Now for India. AN EYEWATERING 15 scores over 200.
Ryder 201
Jayawardene 275
Amla 253*
Sangakkara 219
Kallis 201*
Pietersen 202*
Cook 294
Bell 235
Ponting 221
Clarke 329* & 210
McCullum 225, 224 & 281*
Now tell me how good India are...
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Food for thought
Since 2009 these are the number of double 100s scored against the 4 sides that have been ranked world number 1.
South Africa 2 - Clarke 259* & 230
England 3 - Sarwan 291, Amla 311* & Pujara 206*
Australia 5 - Tendulkar 214, Cook 235*, Pietersen 227, Dhoni 224 & Pujara 204
Now for India. AN EYEWATERING 15 scores over 200.
Ryder 201
Jayawardene 275
Amla 253*
Sangakkara 219
Kallis 201*
Pietersen 202*
Cook 294
Bell 235
Ponting 221
Clarke 329* & 210
McCullum 225, 224 & 281*
Now tell me how good India are...
Apart from Ryder, that is a list of some of the best players to have played the game in the last 10 years. McCullum can now be added to that list.
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Apart from Ryder, that is a list of some of the best players to have played the game in the last 10 years. McCullum can now be added to that list.
McCullum is no way near 'one of the best players off the last 10 years'
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And actually, if it wasn't for the fact he is a bit unhinged I reckon Ryder has the talent to be one of the best.
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On your basis, surely the batsmen that haven't made double centuries against India are not good enough for the game?
Smith? De villiers? Etc etc. man if you can't get a double ton against India, you Might aswell go get a job at mcdonalds. What was they thinking!
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McCullum is no way near 'one of the best players off the last 10 years'
You have tried to prove an argument by posting a list of players who have scored double tons against India. All it proves is that you have to be one of the modern greats in order to do it!
If the list had been full on average players you would be in a strong position with your argument, all you have done is show how good a player you need to be in order to score a double ton against India. Nice one.
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McCullum is no way near 'one of the best players off the last 10 years'
Okay then, on curren form what would your world XI be Gerry??
Will be interesting I see who you pick ahead of McCullum...
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Okay then, on curren form what would your world XI be Gerry??
Will be interesting I see who you pick ahead of McCullum...
McCullum bats at 5, so he's only competing with AB de Villiers and Michael Clarke...
Not hope in hell he gets a game over either of them.
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McCullum bats at 5, so he's only competing with AB de Villiers and Michael Clarke...
Not hope in hell he gets a game over either of them.
So bat him at 6/7/8/9/10
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Bat him at 6 or 7??
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On your basis, surely the batsmen that haven't made double centuries against India are not good enough for the game?
Smith? De villiers? Etc etc. man if you can't get a double ton against India, you Might aswell go get a job at mcdonalds. What was they thinking!
The catchment window I gave was since 2009.
AB de Villiers has a 200 against India, but it was in 2008...
Smith doesn't has Khan is all over him like a cheap suit.
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McCullum bats at 5, so he's only competing with AB de Villiers and Michael Clarke...
Not hope in hell he gets a game over either of them.
Good job at avoiding answering the question there...
Will say that Clarke isn't in good nick right now and AB hasn't scored a double ton against India since 2008 though ;)
Back to the cricket the Indians look incredibly tired out there, these two to reach their milestones then try and force a result against tired bodies maybe??
And that was a majestic straight drive from Neesham, lefties always have that extra ounce of class in their stroke play!
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Anyway when neesham makes it to 200 today, would he be classed as great or average or mediocre?
Indians bowlers look a tad damp this morning.
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So bat him at 6/7/8/9/10
Pure batsman at 7? No chance.
World XI
Would automatically have
Smith
Pujara
Amla
Clarke
de Villiers
Sangakkara
Taylor
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His knees and back must be (No Swearing Please)!
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Pure batsman at 7? No chance.
World XI
Would automatically have
Smith
Pujara
Amla
Clarke
de Villiers
Sangakkara
Taylor
Steve Smith opening and Rikki Clarke at 4, that's different mate ;)
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Pure batsman at 7? No chance.
World XI
Would automatically have
Smith
Pujara
Amla
Clarke
de Villiers
Sangakkara
Taylor
Why smith?
Why Taylor?
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You have tried to prove an argument by posting a list of players who have scored double tons against India. All it proves is that you have to be one of the modern greats in order to do it!
If the list had been full on average players you would be in a strong position with your argument, all you have done is show how good a player you need to be in order to score a double ton against India. Nice one.
Only flaw in your theory is all the other average 40 or more.
Whereas McCullum averages 35/38.
So I'm McCullum's it's the saying every dog has it's day...
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Why smith?
Why Taylor?
Graeme Smith average 49. It's a toss up between him and Warner.
Ross Taylor is genuine world class. Averages nearly 47.
Obviously the batting order needs a bit of work.
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Graeme Smith average 49. It's a toss up between him and Warner.
Ross Taylor is genuine world class. Averages nearly 47.
Obviously the batting order needs a bit of work.
Smiths past it, better players around now. So you won't take mccullum but you'll take Warner? Bigger slogger and a complete tool to boot
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Only flaw in your theory is all the other average 40 or more.
Whereas McCullum averages 35/38.
So I'm McCullum's it's the saying every dog has it's day...
Compared to the flaws in your theories I'm pretty comfortable with my position on this to be fair.
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Smiths past it, better players around now. So you won't take mccullum but you'll take Warner? Bigger slogger and a complete tool to boot
Last 19 Tests 1400 runs at 49. I'd love to be past it as much as Biff
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Regardless, to score a double yet alone a triple at test level is a massive achievement, well done to him.
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Smiths past it, better players around now. So you won't take mccullum but you'll take Warner? Bigger slogger and a complete tool to boot
David Warner has 100s against England and South Africa.
Whether he's a nutter or not, the kids got talent.
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0-150, take a bow Ishant Sharma!
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As much as there's a lot of tosh in this thread,
You'd pick warner regardless of his head issues, he's opinion form, scoring tons for fun, and at a strike rate to destroy moral in the opposition.
Anyway come on neesham, 2 more!
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That's a hundred for Neesham, top knock lad!
Dream debut
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And well batted james neesham, excellent knock. And on debut, doesn't matter how tired or inferior the attack is, that's a test ton on debut!
Enough pressure on indeed,
Now we need 2more for b mac.
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And that's a triple ton for the skipper!
Well batted Brendan McCullum
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Well bated Brendan mcullum. Take a bow son.ecellent inning indeed.
What now? Carry on as? T20 slog fest? Declare.
And he's gone while I write. Doh.
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I don't think I faced 559 balls all last season? Lol
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I'm gutted that's over, he deserved red ink at the declaration.
On the other hand you won't get to walk off to an ovation like that very often, that must have been some feeling
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India's humiliation is complete.
Statistically McCullum's the worst member of the 300 club.
I'm backing Stuart Broad to score 401 vs India in the summer...
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India's humiliation is complete.
Statistically McCullum's the worst member of the 300 club.
I'm backing Stuart Broad to score 401 vs India in the summer...
Complete (No Swearing Please)
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India's humiliation is complete.
Statistically McCullum's the worst member of the 300 club.
I'm backing Stuart Broad to score 401 vs India in the summer...
Stick to boxing mate, you are talking absolute rubbish about cricket.
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India's humiliation is complete.
Statistically McCullum's the worst member of the 300 club.
I'm backing Stuart Broad to score 401 vs India in the summer...
If broad could score 401 in a year it'd be a Start!
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Stick to boxing mate, you are talking absolute rubbish about cricket.
No one with a lower average has every scored a Test 300...
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India's humiliation is complete.
Statistically McCullum's the worst member of the 300 club.
I'm backing Stuart Broad to score 401 vs India in the summer...
"Worst member of the 300 club"
Is that similar to being the poorest millionaire?? ???
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As much as there's a lot of tosh in this thread,
You'd pick warner regardless of his head issues, he's opinion form, scoring tons for fun, and at a strike rate to destroy moral in the opposition.
Anyway come on neesham, 2 more!
Pick Warner???? Surely there is someone averaging more than 40 who opens the batting?
Warner averaged 39 in 2013 and is averaging 39 in 2014. That is similar to McCullum's overall averages, who actually averages 49 batting at 5.
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No one with a lower average has every scored a Test 300...
Not referring to that quote Gerry, referring to everything you have written.
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If broad could score 401 in a year it'd be a Start!
1 innings mate. At the Oval. I can see it now, Jadeja bowls it on his pads, Broad slog sweeps it for 6 to bring up 401
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"Worst member of the 300 club"
Is that similar to being the poorest millionaire?? ???
Well there's a difference between £1m and £100m
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1 innings mate. At the Oval. I can see it now, Jadeja bowls it on his pads, Broad slog sweeps it for 6 to bring up 401
Alas the one batsmen England had capable of scoring 400 has been binned... Monty panasar
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Pick Warner???? Surely there is someone averaging more than 40 who opens the batting?
Warner averaged 39 in 2013 and is averaging 39 in 2014. That is similar to McCullum's overall averages, who actually averages 49 batting at 5.
Openers are likely to have more lower scores. Warner averages 41.88
Only Smith 49, Cook 45, Dhawan 50+ average more than him.
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Well bated Brendan mcullum. Take a bow son.ecellent inning indeed.
What now? Carry on as? T20 slog fest? Declare.
And he's gone while I write. Doh.
carry on :D.
Southee for a 100, wagner for 50.
Useless declaring, pitch is too flat for a result
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Unfortunately I haven't seen any of his innings, but considering the situation NZ were in, it is an amazing knock
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Useless declaring, pitch is too flat for a result
If mccullum was in still then bat all day and really rub India in it, but now he's gone, just bat normally till the other lads out thn declare
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What am I doing??
I'm wanted to be part of this forum to have intelligent discussions, and at times a decent debate about the game I love. Instead I've been drawn into a meaningless discussion about the game I love with someone who in my opinion knows nothing about the game and is only here to try and start an argument.
What a waste of the last few hours.
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Openers are likely to have more lower scores. Warner averages 41.88
Only Smith 49, Cook 45, Dhawan 50+ average more than him.
Current form, it was asked of. Not overall average.
He is about par as McCullum in batting standards.
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Pick Warner???? Surely there is someone averaging more than 40 who opens the batting?
Warner averaged 39 in 2013 and is averaging 39 in 2014. That is similar to McCullum's overall averages, who actually averages 49 batting at 5.
Ashes he averages 58 and scored 523 runs including 2 centuries
Against SA he has had 2 innings, and scored a ton in one of them.
Against teams ranked 1 and 4 in test rankings.
So yeah I'd pick him on current form.
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Current form, it was asked of. Not overall average.
He is about par as McCullum in batting standards.
Warner just scored a hundred against South Africa, so he's better than McCullum...
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Tbh Gerry is just a troll and we are feeding him.
So I'm out.
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Warner just scored a hundred against South Africa, so he's better than McCullum...
Steve smith just scored a ton vs sa... KP hasn't so is clubbie smith better than KP? Maybe stokes is better than Warne too? After all, Warne didn't score a ton
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Steve smith just scored a ton vs sa... KP hasn't so is clubbie smith better than KP? Maybe stokes is better than Warne too? After all, Warne didn't score a ton
South Africa's attack is better than India's. That a fact. Whether you like it or not.
Kevin Pietersen has 4 Test hundreds against SA.
Steven a Smith might be a better Test player than Kevin Pietersen at this moment in time as KP is retired...
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Tbh Gerry is just a troll and we are feeding him.
So I'm out.
Troll? I'm touched...
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No one with a lower average has every scored a Test 300...
...Living the dream! :D
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Warner just scored a hundred against South Africa, so he's better than McCullum...
And what did Warner average against the same Indian attack?
25? 30?
Didn't see him getting to 3 figures, let alone 300.
I think it's also time for me bow out as well.
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And what did Warner average against the same Indian attack?
25? 30?
Didn't see him getting to 3 figures, let alone 300.
I think it's also time for me bow out as well.
Warner's highest Test score 180 was against India. It was the fastest Test hundred by an opener. Warner's got his place in the record books...
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Lol, I can't take you seriously.. Smith.s is better than KP.. Lol.. And Warner?? The guys just in red hot form, he'll soon be back to mid to high 30's again. Slogger....
I'm out too. Two hopes of a sensible convo.. Bob hope and no hope :(
Well done Brendan and neesham.. Now get your 150!
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How on gods sweet earth are you continuing to say McCullum is rubbish?
Double ton followed by a triple in the very next match. You my friend are an idiot!
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How on gods sweet earth are you continuing to say McCullum is rubbish?
Double ton followed by a triple in the very next match. You my friend are an idiot!
Aside from bullying India and Bangladesh, McCullum is a substandard a Test player...
It must he heart breaking for you. But stats don't lie.
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Blah blah blah, you really do talk out of your (No Swearing Please) Gerry. You seem to consistently be putting everyone and everything down, to be honest it's boring with a capital B.
Chuffed to see McCullum get his 300, any triple ton must take some serious stamina and concentration. A really nice guy with an attacking captaincy style I'd like to see England employ ;-)
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I'll say this is one hell of a knock to take the game away from us and though his test career hasn't been that consistent (a standard most test great test batsmen can be measured to) he's played with remarkable self control and patience. Kudos to him if he can play like this in matches to come.
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How on gods sweet earth are you continuing to say McCullum is rubbish?
Double ton followed by a triple in the very next match. You my friend are an idiot!
It's pointless trying to have a discussion when Gerry has something like this in his head.
I can see that McCullum isn't anywhere near the best Test batsman, although I have rated his change of format as miraculous! Is this BMc finally finding the correct formula to be able to bat in all formats well?
Who knows. And granted that India do not have the strongest bowling attack! But you still need to keep focused to stay in that long and I appreciate the fact that he has batted with the kind of concentration and application that usually eludes him, as he is obviously known for his T20 exploits!
But credit where credit is due! He batted superbly! Yes he was dropped but I suspect that even Hammond and The Don were dropped on half chances on their way to the same feat!
IMO it's not about who is the best Test batsman...McCullum is nowhere near even close to Bradman and Hammond (only one or two are!)
But when someone bats with as much patience and concentration as he has, and has batted so well, he deserves the respect of everyone on here except for Gerry as it was History being made!
When someone does not have the respect or the courtesy to even say, "Well batted" that shows a huge character trait in my eyes! They either feel bitter about something, or they are not a nice person!
It's sad to see!
Now go and have your say Gerry!
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Aside from bullying India and Bangladesh, McCullum is a substandard a Test player...
It must he heart breaking for you. But stats don't lie.
So you can't improve? His stats are not great but over the last few years he has improved out of sight. His average over the last couple of years has gone from below 30 to high 30's, I'm going to say he keeps getting better and his stats will also improve.
So a substandard test player has scored 2 doubles and now a triple? I'm going to assume your at your keyboard having a good old laugh and your actually just a joker with a great sense of humor. Unless this is the case then your are truly the most delusional person I have ever had a conversation with.
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Gents,
Agree to disagree. Granted he is in fabulous form and in the past two matches has scored more runs than I ever will.. So accept that he is batting well and it's against a good Indian attack that ripped through Australia and took SA to the wire so not completely incompetent. Although the stats can suggest otherwise 9 test centuries (4 vs Ind, 2 vs Bang, 1 vs Aus, 1 vs WI and 1 vs Zim) with a batting average of 36.36 (p.s. He used to bat 7!)
Stats often lie and don't tell the full story. All I can say is having watched most of BMcC's innings last test and a good bit of this test all I can say is he looks nothing like his t20 self. He batted like a test cricketer and a good one of that.
I'd leave it at; he is a good batsmen when he gets his head down and concentrates but sometimes he can throw his wicket away eg. He was dropped 3 times under 25 on his way to 300!
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So you can't improve? His stats are not great but over the last few years he has improved out of sight. His average over the last couple of years has gone from below 30 to high 30's, I'm going to say he keeps getting better and his stats will also improve.
So a substandard test player has scored 2 doubles and now a triple? I'm going to assume your at your keyboard having a good old laugh and your actually just a joker with a great sense of humor. Unless this is the case then your are truly the most delusional person I have ever had a conversation with.
Guilty as charged :D
Well played Brendon McCullum. Well played James Neesham.
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Well it seems as though I've over stayed my welcome.
It's been fun while it lasted.
As someone mentioned earlier, maybe I'll go back to boxing...
Gracias por invitarme!
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He played very well, well done. I don't think he gave any chances post the 3 initial drops (as far as I know). He has always been an entertaining batsman verging on the spectacular at times (especially in the short formats) but that was a very well constructed innings (granted a bit of luck). I think he will face bigger tests than the Indian lineup and time will tell how much he has developed as a test batsman. For now, congratulations to him and also Jimmy Neesham.
Also the Indian lineup ripped Australia at home, in Australia we got flogged, Clarke could have scored 500 if he wanted (when he got 329*) - they did reasonably well in SA, but really should have beaten SA in the first match, but again let another big partnership happen. Not undermining FAF or AB's efforts in any way, but they let it slip.
Interesting article on India's underperformance overseas, worth a read for the Indian fans.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/content/story/719985.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/content/story/719985.html)
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BMcC was dropped by Kohli, Sharma and Jadeja? I think the latter were both half chances but kohli's was a dolly and he went with one hand..I watched it happen.. And I'm sure I'm not seeing things.. I hope :-[
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Well, India 2 down, I hope they manage a draw at least. If they lose, it really will be one of the more humiliating defeats.
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I'd like to admit being wrong in the fact he was dropped twice. By Sharma and Kohli
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I thought it was three, at least someone told me so. I know of Kohli and Sharma, can't remember who the third was. Maybe it was 2.
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Kohli really lucky there, not given out caught behind. Huge nick there.
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BM was dropped on 9 by Kholi (should have been taken!) and on 36 by Sharma (tougher as Sharma was bowling and was hit straight back at him, and it didn't stick)
The third drop was only barely half a chance - he was on around 150 or so, and edged one that flew low and quickly but slip couldn't get there, as was was a low dive to his right.
So one straighforward catch on 9, one tougher (wil it stick or not) chance on 36, and a half chance later on!
And agreed - Kholi was lucky and was a shocking decision by the umpire.
I reckon the fielders on the boundary heard that, as it was such a big nick! Still, I guess you win some and lose some! Very embarrassing for the Umpire!
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WWWASP co-creator looks at odds of McCullum’s triple test century
February 18, 2014
University of Canterbury economics lecturer Dr Seamus Hogan, the co-creator of the WASP limited-overs Predictor on Sky television, has looked at the odds of Black Caps test cricket skipper Brendon McCullum reaching 300 against India in Wellington today.
``It depends a lot on how you phrase the question of odds,’’ Dr Hogan says.
``But some simple back-of-the-envelope calculations can illustrate how special this innings was.
``Assuming he was going to score at the same rate as his career average (in fact, his strike rate in this innings was lower than this), he would have needed 490 balls to reach 300, and given his career dismissal rate, would only have a 0.0232 percent of surviving that long without being dismissed.
``That is, one would expect to see it only once every 4310 innings. And this does not take into account any tiredness that sets in in a long innings.
``Furthermore, being dismissed is not the only reason one can fail to reach 300. The other possibility is being left not-out when all other batsmen are dismissed.
``Based on the test career dismissal rates of the batsmen who had not already been dismissed when McCullum came to bat, and assuming the strike was shared equally between the two batsmen at the crease, the average number of balls that would be faced by the other batsmen before they were all dismissed was only 294, well below the 490 McCullum would have needed to get 300 based on his career strike rate.
``This suggests that the probability of McCullum even having had the opportunity to face as many deliveries as he has was very low and shows how important BJ Watling and Jimmy Neesham’s innings were in giving McCullum the opportunity to push for 300.
``There are all sorts of statistical reasons why these probabilities are not exact, but the rough calculation illustrates just how special this innings has been, without even considering the context of the game in which it was been scored,’’ Dr Hogan says.
McCullum’s marathon innings lasted 759 minutes and was off 559 balls.
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Someone scoring a 300 in any form of the game cannot be an average player.
Well done McCullum!! Also, loved the conversation in the post-match presentation.. his simplicity and humbleness came across..
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If he gets 400 I'll open a bottle Marlborough Sav Blanc, who am I kidding I'll do it if he gets 300........ Ok I'm going to do it regardless!
I am about to start toasting, didn't see any part of the game today :(
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Interesting how he's come into form after dropping the glovework. Everyone saying he belted 300 against a woeful Indian attack obviously forgot New Zealand were in serious danger of losing the match at 80odd - 5 when he rescued it. That takes some serious gonads and I for one think it was a quality knock.
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I'd love to know why India are so poor away from home?
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I'd love to know why India are so poor away from home?
Reason for this is that in India they play on flat tracks that turn from day one and can bowl two spinners for 70% of the opposition innings.
They go overseas and now they have to make sure their pace attack which is average at best * in comparison to other nations* bowl well. Look at Sharma, Opening bowler who averages near 38 with the ball, Zaheer Khan averages 33 and Shami averages just below 30
Those figures are not going to win a test match for you.
Look at Aus & SA their attacks are more potent for the majority of conditions they will face.
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I'd love to know why India are so poor away from home?
Cos their seamers are average at best on conditions outside India, and the majority of their batsmen cannot cope with a moving ball in seamer friendly conditions....
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If I were to put it- since pitches are flat most Indian batsmen always play front foot. Mostly not with a large stride but with weight on the front foot.
Basically batsmen need to look out for line and not length here in india. Once you travel abroad, the same technique becomes an issue with the ball bouncing and moving as well.
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Horses for courses... why in football does the home team win more often than the away team?
Pitch conditions etc will play a part but I would suggest a large part of it is psychological.
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4 draws and 10 defeats in their last 14 away tests for India.
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Feel its time to split captaincy for tests and other formats