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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: aman on February 13, 2014, 06:31:49 AM
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Just wondering is there any point to putting the machine on really high speeds? especially since it's designed just to work on either back foot or front foot at a time so form would be more important than reactions? wouldn't it be more better to have some one throw it from a short distance and cover both back foot and front foot?
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What you are trying to do with the bowling machine is lock in muscle memory by repeating the same action over and over. In this respect, doing it at high speeds would aid you if you needed to face high speed bowling regularly.
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I think it depends on what speed bowling you normally face on a Saturday. There is no point smacking around the Bola on 60mph if you are going to be facing up to 80mph on a Saturday.
Train how you are going to play. If you train at 60mph you are going to be seriously late on the hook at 80mph.
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I think it depends on what speed bowling you normally face on a Saturday. There is no point smacking around the Bola on 60mph if you are going to be facing up to 80mph on a Saturday.
Train how you are going to play. If you train at 60mph you are going to be seriously late on the hook at 80mph.
Interesting one of the top Uk batting coaches Gary Palmer says something a tad different
Shot grooving should begin at a lower speed especially shorter pitched balls
Then for confirmation you might want it to go up but he says even with proffesionals he never goes above 80 mph on short pitched balls.
As Tim rightly says it a muscle memory technical aid if used correctly and for muscle memory speed is not in the factor but repatition is.
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But surely practicing at 80mph would improve your ability to pick up length etc at that speed?
I guess it depends on what you are doing with the Bola. If you are just repeating the same shot then I concur with Pro. If you have a mate at the end who is mixing it up on different lengths etc to simulate a game then I would think it would be better to practice at game speed.
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Yep I agree with you mate I do sessions work in areas for some then have a open machine session where the pintol is let loss and my mate controls the thing and I face 6 balls at the same speed with varying length and lines. Shot grooving has it time and place but so does what I call game netting too
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I think the bowling machine is best left for shot grooving. I never find it much help in picking up length / getting feet moving as it is too easy to tell the length of the delivery before it is even bowled. (once you have faced it a lot you will pick up small differences in the alignment of the 'hole' on the machine and will know if it's short or a half volley before it comes out)
If I want to practice picking up length and getting the timing of my foot movements correct then I prefer to face either real bowling or someone using a sidearm (or even throw downs).
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the thought just came to me because a guy called Bob Meuleman down here use to coach Ghilchrist,Langer, S. Marsh ect. said he would never put the machine past 70mph.
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70 is like 80 mph due to the fact you can't read cues from the bowler and you are staring unto the black hole waiting for the clunk.
I can face 80 mph ok but 70 on machine seems a bit harder to me.
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I think the bowling machine is best left for shot grooving. I never find it much help in picking up length / getting feet moving as it is too easy to tell the length of the delivery before it is even bowled. (once you have faced it a lot you will pick up small differences in the alignment of the 'hole' on the machine and will know if it's short or a half volley before it comes out)
If I want to practice picking up length and getting the timing of my foot movements correct then I prefer to face either real bowling or someone using a sidearm (or even throw downs).
As someone who has self taught and mainly from using a machine I'd say it does help you learn to pick lines and lengths better than facing a real bowler. When grooving a shot your brain learns the length/line as well so even when it comes down at 80 say you do react correctly, it's surprising but it does work. Now, I'm. It saying it doesn't ah it's faults. It I get far less now from facing bowlers than I do a good session on the machine. Indoor game or machine season ?? No contest, machine session is far more productive.
Same with pro, train on 60/65 but do the odd session at high speed just so you have seen it. You will react anyway so it's just for your own comfort really. I find 60 far harder than 75 for instance, why, because one speed you have to hit then ball and the other just time it. Exactly the same as I find in real games, 'quicks' are far easier than your slow/medium plod who just drop it on a spot etc
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problem with nets, are 99.99% of the ones ive been to is that most of the bowlers dont bowl 6 consecutive balls so you get a real mixed bag which is nothing like a match.
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Different people prefer different training methods.
I like throw downs and the bowling machine, others prefer nets... no two people are alike.
Anything faster than 75 on a bowling machine is frequently a waste of time, in my view.
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70 is like 80 mph due to the fact you can't read cues from the bowler and you are staring unto the black hole waiting for the clunk.
I can face 80 mph ok but 70 on machine seems a bit harder to me.
Totally agree John, I find 70 about my limit on the machine - there are no visual clues and your reaction time is slower.
It is great for grooving shots though.
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Complete waste of time at 70+.
Think about it when you bat, you may have a trigger just as the bowler is about to release. Even if you don't you might subconsiously do something to prepare for the ball.
With a bowling machine you completely take that out of the equation and lose fractions of seconds. As we know, facing 80mph, fractions of seconds are huge.
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I have a trigger and use it on the bowling machine.
Playing 80 on the bowling machine can be useful. I suppose it depends on what you are working on
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I know for a fact that Sachin never faced the bowling machine any faster than 85mph, under the arguments around how much harder it is to pick up, the machine adding on 10%.
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It's amusing watching this one lad who uses the same facility as I do, he's constantly banging it up stupidly quick and then coming over saying mine is slow. It is slower than yours but who is getting the best actual training??? Not you you idiot.. Go away and buy a BMW or something if you want to measure groin areas.
sorry.. he just annoys the crap out of me. Wouldn't mind but he's utter crap!
as Buzz said, everyone is different. Some people don't net much at all, some doing 'club' style nets.. some do other things. Find what works for you, try all the different ways and then stick to it. After all, all training will help in some way shape or form and it's better than doing nothing! Even just hitting under arm throws will help in a small way
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Totally agree John, I find 70 about my limit on the machine - there are no visual clues and your reaction time is slower.
It is great for grooving shots though.
I agree the machine is all about muscle memory and technique. It's just about learning the right positions to be in. I've also tried the machine up at 80-83 ish and it's pointless. You don't get the visual clues, and an indoor surface is about 10mph quicker as the ball flies through and bounces sharply.
I find a more realistic approach if you don't have a bowler is the sidearm (dog thrower type thing)
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depends what your actually using the machine on as in pitch.. we have a rather naughty astro net so anything above 80 your going to get pinned at some point.. but its useful if you know your going to be playing someone quick to get used to the pace
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It's amusing watching this one lad who uses the same facility as I do, he's constantly banging it up stupidly quick and then coming over saying mine is slow. It is slower than yours but who is getting the best actual training??? Not you you idiot.. Go away and buy a BMW or something if you want to measure groin areas.
sorry.. he just annoys the crap out of me. Wouldn't mind but he's utter crap!
as Buzz said, everyone is different. Some people don't net much at all, some doing 'club' style nets.. some do other things. Find what works for you, try all the different ways and then stick to it. After all, all training will help in some way shape or form and it's better than doing nothing! Even just hitting under arm throws will help in a small way
He's probably the same bloke who thinks the heavier weights you lift - the bigger you get!
People like that are ignorant and I think most of them are happiest that way. That's why the 'smile and nod' was invented!
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He's probably the same bloke who thinks the heavier weights you lift - the bigger you get!
People like that are ignorant and I think most of them are happiest that way. That's why the 'smile and nod' was invented!
And 'Smile and wave boys, smile and wave' haha!
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A well known coach at a well known minor county got into a bit of trouble for setting the bowling machine @ 95mph and pinning an U19 on the top hand, breaking two of the kids fingers a few years ago.
The general reaction - what's the point?!
Will he ever face 95mph? Very unlikely!
What does he stand to learn? Probably not to trust that coach again?!
Will it improve his technique? No. Not even slightly!
I for one, these days, face a few who can push 75mph but mostly 65-70mph. For me, I can still face 80-85mph but muscle memory and instinct takes over. With a bowling machine at those higher speeds, you can't pick up on those little tells which all bowlers have when they are going to dig one in (or at least I can't!)
IMHO It's good for 'grooving' shots, but that's it.
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Have to agree with that mate, nothing worse than when you get some idiot on the bowling machine who decides to drop it short without telling you.
Bowling machines have no tells at all haha
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Have to agree with that mate, nothing worse than when you get some idiot on the bowling machine who decides to drop it short without telling you.
Bowling machines have no tells at all haha
I'd argue with that!!
We all know what's coming when the thing starts shaking!!!!!!! ???
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I'd argue with that!!
We all know what's coming when the thing starts shaking!!!!!!! ???
Haha! or when it's pointing at your head
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Have to agree with that mate, nothing worse than when you get some idiot on the bowling machine who decides to drop it short without telling you.
Bowling machines have no tells at all haha
Strangely, I find it much easier to pick length and line on the bowling machine.