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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: brokenbat on March 03, 2014, 04:30:28 PM
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Is there a way I can find out what the typical first-class salaries are in England and Aus? Just curious.
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Not that much for your average player. Once you've got the England gigs etc then I'd imagine it shoots up,a,he'll of a lot.. Especially as you can charge then to be sponsored etc
Wasn't Carberry for instance a sparky until,his England gig?
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From a google search then an average, experienced first class player will get over 30k in England. The central contract is about 250k isn't it?
Players used to go overseas during the off-season to play or coach to supplement the income but I'm not sure whether pro contracts allow this as much. Young/Development players are on a pittance.
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If the cricket captain games are anything to go by then probably £25,000 up to £65,000 for an average first class players in county cricket :D.
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The simple answer then is that as an experienced sparky, carbs probably earned more in his six months off than in his playing season....
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Since 8 month player contracts changed to 12 months contracts,first class players in England are on around 30k basic without bonuses depending on county.
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30k for them is a hell of a lot more for us when you consider they get facilities for free, kit for free, food/drinks and transport/accommodation etc. Plus, they don't do loooong days either as they are doing something fun every day :)
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Long time away from home though and away for family for £30k
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Long time away from home though and away for family for £30k
Not too bad really, only a few months a year of being busy and then about the same where you spend loads of time at home.
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Long time away from home though and away for family for £30k
Agreed.
£30k is a very low salary considering they are professional sports people.
Many people earn twice as much sat in a bank with their thumbs stuck somewhere dark.
Put it into context and it's a low wage for where they stand in the quartile of their profession.
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30k for them is a hell of a lot more for us when you consider they get facilities for free, kit for free, food/drinks and transport/accommodation etc. Plus, they don't do loooong days either as they are doing something fun every day :)
If you net down £30k it's a modest wage. Look at the cost of living and it's not much for the main breadwinner to earn. Granted, some regions have low living costs, but on the whole, as a professional sports person it's a pretty low wage.
I'm not belittling people. I work in recruitment and know how much many different trades earn. £30k is modest.
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I remember when schofield fell from grace. England spinner to having his contract cancelled with his county.
So he took up plastering.
When he got re signed to a county. He joked in an interview he couldnt wait till winter. As he could earn good money again.
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I dunno, 30k is a good wage for playing sport! It's only football really that is full of it, and pays crap players 30k a week etc.
Most people even if they earn more would much prefer 30k a year to play cricket! You can live well for 30k a year, unless you want fancy cars, houses, multiple holidays etc. Why would the sports person be the main bread winner?? Now a days both people work unless you either don't mind being poorer overall or one earns enough etc.
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You have to discount football as it's in it's own bubble. Match a bog standard county player (not an international etc) against a bog standard swimmer, athlete, golfer, basketball player etc and they are probably about right.
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For me the issue would be getting paid £30K a year with only the security of a 2 year contract at best for most county pro's. Also, the fact that you have 15 years in the game if you are really lucky.
But I agree, if you take it for what it is and enjoy the ride while planning well for the rest of your life which begins in your mid 30's it would be great life.
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For me the issue would be getting paid £30K a year with only the security of a 2 year contract at best for most county pro's. Also, the fact that you have 15 years in the game if you are really lucky.
But I agree, if you take it for what it is and enjoy the ride while planning well for the rest of your life which begins in your mid 30's it would be great life.
Exactly.. A few years playing county cricket shouldn't mean retiring at 35 a rich man. Internationals are different but your bog standard county pro should be planning ahead.
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If you net down £30k it's a modest wage. Look at the cost of living and it's not much for the main breadwinner to earn. Granted, some regions have low living costs, but on the whole, as a professional sports person it's a pretty low wage.
I'm not belittling people. I work in recruitment and know how much many different trades earn. £30k is modest.
30k is bloody good took me 12 years to get over the 30k threshold but in truth I would be happy to drop 10k to do the job of my dreams
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You have to discount football as it's in it's own bubble. Match a bog standard county player (not an international etc) against a bog standard swimmer, athlete, golfer, basketball player etc and they are probably about right.
An average European tour golfer will earn big money, certainly 6 figure sums per year. The trick is they have to earn it through winning and not get it as a salary.
I suspect as well that an average NBA player will earn similar amounts to average premier league footballers. I may be wrong though.
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30k is bloody good took me 12 years to get over the 30k threshold but in truth I would be happy to drop 10k to do the job of my dreams
Not so sure Dave.
It's ok if you're a young lad without any serious bind, but if you've got a wife/kids the amount of time spent away from home must be quite a drain. It would be most amateur cricketer's dream job but I'm sure the reality is quite different.
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Not so sure Dave.
It's ok if you're a young lad without any serious bind, but if you've got a wife/kids the amount of time spent away from home must be quite a drain. It would be most amateur cricketer's dream job but I'm sure the reality is quite different.
The military manage it
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An average European tour golfer will earn big money, certainly 6 figure sums per year. The trick is they have to earn it through winning and not get it as a salary.
I suspect as well that an average NBA player will earn similar amounts to average premier league footballers. I may be wrong though.
What does a standard British basketball player earn playing in the uk? NBA is like the premier league after all, has it's own rules in the US. Golfer as you say have to win, so what about your bog standard golfer who isn't actually that good ?? I'm not talking about the cooks, bells, Strauss,KP's of cricket.. I'm thinking of guys who haven't a hope in hell of international honours etc
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The military manage it
Do the military have to pay for accommodation?
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The average wage of a non international county player is more than £30k a year, you would be looking at 45 to 50k as an average, so some would be on half that and some on double.
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What does a standard British basketball player earn playing in the uk? NBA is like the premier league after all, has it's own rules in the US. Golfer as you say have to win, so what about your bog standard golfer who isn't actually that good ?? I'm not talking about the cooks, bells, Strauss,KP's of cricket.. I'm thinking of guys who haven't a hope in hell of international honours etc
Not sure about uk basketball, probably about £50 a game and a free cup of orange squash.
You can finish about 150th in the tour rankings for golf, be proper journeyman professional with no hope of getting within a country mile of international honours and earn 100,000 grand plus.
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Do the military have to pay for accommodation?
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Yes, and food etc etc
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Do the military have to pay for accommodation?
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Yes it is subsidised mate but you have to pay for either married quarter or single livig accomadation
In 14 years I have spent 5 away from my place of work and family yet it is what I signed up for.
Always had time to log on here though
People who whing about wage my theory is get a new job if iur not happy plain and simple.
I have never had a issue with pay
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Yes it is subsidised mate but you have to pay for either married quarter or single livig accomadation
In 14 years I have spent 5 away from my place of work and family yet it is what I signed up for.
Always had time to log on here though
People who whing about wage my theory is get a new job if iur not happy plain and simple.
I have never had a issue with pay
I always felt we were well paid tbh Dave, I'd even go as far as to say apart from ops it's easy money. That's how I felt anyway. (I wasn't a combat trade though :) )
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Not so sure Dave.
It's ok if you're a young lad without any serious bind, but if you've got a wife/kids the amount of time spent away from home must be quite a drain. It would be most amateur cricketer's dream job but I'm sure the reality is quite different.
Being a professional cricketer was never my dream working in the trade was from the time i went to romida at 12 years old in Newhay has been.
It is part of my theory i want to spend all my time with my family and kids and like i said i willing to drop 10k to do it and work in the industry but it has to be right I'm giving up a lot instant pension in 7 and a half years and so on.
But 10k is basically giving one car back and cutting down the pies to be honest..
I enjoy testing and messing with theory than i do playing i think.
What is money without happiness
My kids smile more with a hug than they do with buying them stuff.
Money is not my motive.
Cricketers are paid well the ones i know are they do not grumble and most do it because they love it..
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I was chatting to one of graham swans (ex)sponsors the other day. They will now be saving 2 million pounds a year now that he has quit cricket and is not there brand ambassador
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I was chatting to one of graham swans (ex)sponsors the other day. They will now be saving 2 million pounds a year now that he has quit cricket and is not there brand ambassador
Presuming this is a bat manufacturer and the figure is accurate, you would have to question how a business could justify spending that much money on an England spinner, its not like he's a batting great who would really push the brand into new markets.
2 million expenditure surely equates to having to gain 10 million pounds in extra sales to make it worthwhile, can't see that!
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Here in North America, personally what I think is that baseball players get the most money followed by NBA players, NFL players and NHL (ice hockey) players.
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Average UK wage is £26,500 so first class cricketers do get above average. Still if you want to run 2 cars, mortgage and pay the bills/living expenses, it's not a huge amount without a second income. What can't be overlooked is counties have 12 month contracts and the player get's less down time in the winter. From what I've read it's basically Oct-Jan and then back to their county for indoor nets/tours etc. They perhaps have less chance to earn money abroad or coaching than they use to.
They might get free kit but on the other hand they spend a fair amount of time away from home. Unless it's all claimed back on expenses I suspect it would be more costly way of living ie. meals out etc
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It is part of my theory i want to spend all my time with my family and kids and like i said i willing to drop 10k to do it and work in the industry but it has to be right I'm giving up a lot instant pension in 7 and a half years and so on.
What is money without happiness
My kids smile more with a hug than they do with buying them stuff.
Money is not my motive.
This makes me smile :)
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They might get free kit but on the other hand they spend a fair amount of time away from home. Unless it's all claimed back on expenses I suspect it would be more costly way of living ie. meals out etc
Meals out are all claimed back or they are given a nightly rate to stay away depending on which county it is. Hotels are all setup and paid by the county. I'm pretty sure fuel can be claimed back too.
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Here in North America, personally what I think is that baseball players get the most money followed by NBA players, NFL players and NHL (ice hockey) players.
Average salaries for the 4 major sports
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/10/average-career-earnings-nfl-nba-mlb-nhl-mls/ (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/10/average-career-earnings-nfl-nba-mlb-nhl-mls/)
Premier league salaries are pretty comparable to NFL
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-average-premier-league-player-earns-30-124222362.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/premier-league-average-premier-league-player-earns-30-124222362.html)
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Being a professional cricketer was never my dream working in the trade was from the time i went to romida at 12 years old in Newhay has been.
It is part of my theory i want to spend all my time with my family and kids and like i said i willing to drop 10k to do it and work in the industry but it has to be right I'm giving up a lot instant pension in 7 and a half years and so on.
But 10k is basically giving one car back and cutting down the pies to be honest..
I enjoy testing and messing with theory than i do playing i think.
What is money without happiness
My kids smile more with a hug than they do with buying them stuff.
Money is not my motive.
Cricketers are paid well the ones i know are they do not grumble and most do it because they love it..
Well said and agreed.
Much happier now I'm out of the City and spending more time with the family.
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There was a really interesting piece on county salaries in light of the wage cap a couple of years ago in the Telegraph - not got time to sift through their online stuff to see if it is still there - but the gist was that there was significant variance between lower end squad players, who earned less than 30k, and the top guys - some, the ones cited including HArmison and Trescothick who had ceased to play internationally so were available the full season - were on more like eight times that base figure.
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England / centrally contracted players:-
- Central contract and county fees (£350,000+ for top players)
- Share of England image rights, memorabilia sales etc
- Test win bonus (£60,000 between squad)
- Series win bonus (£500,000 between squad)
- Sponsorship and endorsements
The wages of County players do vary - as has been said. The wage cap has seen to that, but at least it equalises everything - a bit. Counties are required to have a certain proportion of under 23s, etc. This actually helps them manage their wage bill, with this structure in place, you are looking at very experienced pro's on about £90k, e.g., Gareth Batty. There is also T&S and bonus payments, sponsorships, etc. Plus many County players make appearances through their County Boards at events, dinners, presentation nights, etc.
The bottom line is that they make a living, which as some have said, they supplement with coaching, playing abroad, possibly other jobs, etc. Does your average county pro get a wage that is decent for what they do? Probably not.
For younger players coming into the game, if they can make it and get paid for doing something they love, a 15, 16 or 17 year old, isn't going to be thinking about mortgages, kids, running a home, etc. Some, as we know, in cricket play whilst at Uni and so sow the seeds for their futures by doing so, as well as playing a role in the cricket development - there are some extremely good University cricket programmes out there, which are linked with County Boards.
The jobs market isn't fantastic as we know. Why wouldn't a kid with some ability and the parental support and backing not want to go into cricket? I honestly don't think a player who has the ability to play as a professional is thinking about salary, etc., at that stage of their career, so I don't think the comparisons being made are as simple a choice as that.
Also, at the end of a player's career, the PCA do a tremendous job with placing players either in cricket related careers or in the outside world... One or two - Stefan Jones (fitness & coaching at Taunton School) & Robin Martin-Jenkins - have gone into teaching, using their cricket careers to good effect, so a career as a County pro can lead to other things.
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Well said and agreed.
Much happier now I'm out of the City and spending more time with the family.
That's my goal!
I'd become a journeyman pro tomorrow, I'd probably see my family more than I do now :D
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TBH, I never made a huge amount of money in my brief spell in country 2nd XI cricket (And I know quite a lot of people who didn't also) BUT without cricket, I never would have got a place at Southampton University reading Business and Economics.
Unless you are a superstar (Top County, International), your yearly salary from cricket would be less than £35k. I remember speaking to Ed Giddings once and he said he had sold Christmas Trees over the winter to make ends meet! (However, that was 10-15 years ago... and lets be honest, his well-publicised drug problem probably increased his living costs somewhat!).
I think most cricketers playing regular county cricket are 'comfortable' but its the opportunities of playing, and the people you meet, that open doors for you.
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Thats a very good point - the security and long term career options are a whole lot better than they used to be.
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so here's another question.. is it possible to have a full time career IN ADDITION to playing county cricket? could one work 9-5, practice at night, and play games on weekends?
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no, because the games are not conveniently spaced accross weekends like they are int he club game!
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ah of course.. they are held throughout the week? even if one can only work 4 out of 5 weekdays, it could be enough to sustain two jobs
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ah of course.. they are held throughout the week? even if one can only work 4 out of 5 weekdays, it could be enough to sustain two jobs
Those 4 day games starting on a Monday would reduce the time you could spend working another job I'd imagine...
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ah of course.. they are held throughout the week? even if one can only work 4 out of 5 weekdays, it could be enough to sustain two jobs
No chance. The games are all over the place and you'd be knackered and would end up doing both jobs very badly.
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It's probably not the case now but I think many Aus players with part timers even into the 90's. Obviously Sheffield Shield games were less frequent and they had to have a second career.
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PCA/ECB RECOMMENDED MINIMUM SALARIES FOR 2013*
Age
Salary
Age
Salary
18
£15,948
19
£17,070
20
£18,167
21
£19,428
22
£20,588
23
£21,748
24
£22,593
*2014 figures will be subject to a 2.7% increase on 2013 figures.
Please note than when transferring from 6 month to 12 month contracts over the period of 2008-2010, the average salary payment made was £3,750 per player.
Daily Rate £45 per day (Relates to non contracted players however, some counties do pay a day rate on top of salary)
Should you have any queries on your salary please contact Jason Ratcliffe or Ian Smith.
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24 years old - £22,593
Assume a daily rate of £45 for match days only. That's 16 * 4 championship matches, possibly 12? Pro40?, similar for t20 = 94 days * £45 = £4000 in expenses a season
= £27k for an uncapped player (I assume a capped player would get much more)
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shocking salaries for professional sportmen
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Such is the nature of our beloved game. Players cannot really demand high wages at county level. games are not regularly attended due to midweek county fixtures. If 4 day games carried over Saturday sundays then maybe we would see higher earning potential due to higher ticket and merchandise sales.
4 days throughout the week... weekdays..... people work!!
poor ticket sales for championship games
poor merchandise sales - especially at county level. How many people do you see walking around your county sporting merchandise? unless they are academy or a hard core cricket enthusiast?
Now how many people do you see sporting England gear?
Even non cricketers will go and buy a shirt to wear down the boozer when the ashes are on. You don't see many lads up North wearing the Yorks or Lancs tops when the derby is on. Not even the T20!
Revenue from tickets and merchandise can contribute directly to salaries in any sport. forget running costs straight off the bat as many of those must be accounted for before offering new contracts to players etc.
truth is, if more fans went to watch (or could go to watch - championship matches played on weekdays directly hinders ticket sales) the players could demand a higher salary and clubs would be able to pay it. Why do you think you pay £50-£100 to watch England collapse in a test match and can buy county champs tickets on the gate for as little as £5
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Sadly its all relative to the incomes the counties get in
Knowing how little it would have cost me to have a number of sponsorship opportunities around the Worcestershire ground/shop I'm not overly surprised - just not enough money in the sport until you reach international levels!
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A large part of the problem is counties being run by the old boys network. You have to ask yourself why the present county structure exists when many of the counties are bankrupt if you exclude the ECB/Sky Blood Money handout. County Chairman and Giles Clarke look after themselves first. We don't need 18 counties and we don't need them located where they are. Many parts of the UK aren't within a reasonable driving distance of a county. You only have to wonder why no county is based in the Thames Valley, about the most wealthy area of the UK, to see the Administrators don't give a stuff. Why hasn't day night cricket been looked at sooner?, why don't they schedule Pro40/T20 at weekends when people can turn up? Like Rugby Union it's not run by professionals and full of vested interests. The players suffer as a result.
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i understand the reasons why the pay is so but it is astonishing, especially when it is basically a 15 year career.
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Am I right that, at least in terms of scheduling, the ECB have taken some action to improve this this season?
I think the T20 games are supposed to be Friday nights, County games to start on Sundays (keeping Saturday free for league cricket)
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So their Salaries are most definitely not 'First Class'
A-haha A-haha.
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shocking salaries for professional sportmen
And people wonder why T20 and it's potential revenue is grabbing all the attention of young players
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And people wonder why T20 and it's potential revenue is grabbing all the attention of young players
I'm still gutted I didn't get an IPL contract, would have more than covered a years normal work haha
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i understand the reasons why the pay is so but it is astonishing, especially when it is basically a 15 year career.
I don't really think a average county pro should earn that much though. Certainly not enough to retire etc, that's just silly. Internationals etc are different.
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I seem to remember that someone told me rob key, Martin van jaarsveld and geraint jones were all on big deals at Kent a few years back that was contributing to their financial issues. Could have sworn someone said they were on over £100k each which looking at these figures seems pretty high
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I seem to remember that someone told me rob key, Martin van jaarsveld and geraint jones were all on big deals at Kent a few years back that was contributing to their financial issues. Could have sworn someone said they were on over £100k each which looking at these figures seems pretty high
Key and jones were international/ex int cricketers so they are bound to be on a fair wack. This discussion is looking more at the more standard county pro.
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Fair enough, just figured it might help.
Imagine smith at Surrey is on a fair whack!
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Fair enough, just figured it might help.
Imagine smith at Surrey is on a fair whack!
KP, solanki, smith, tremlett..all will be on more than the average I'd expect.
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Key and jones were international/ex int cricketers so they are bound to be on a fair wack. This discussion is looking more at the more standard county pro.
There are senior county players who have never played internationally on 80 to 100k year, but also depends how good you are. It is a performance lead sport, the better you are the higher the wage you can command.
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There are senior county players who have never played internationally on 80 to 100k year, but also depends how good you are. It is a performance lead sport, the better you are the higher the wage you can command.
Also depends on the county. I think when Hamilton Brown was bought back to surrey as captain, it was on a 6 figure salary
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Also depends on the county. I think when Hamilton Brown was bought back to surrey as captain, it was on a 6 figure salary
Should be a spin off topic - the best current county players never to have played internationally. Really for a county you want the best possible player but not that good that they get called up.
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Should be a spin off topic - the best current county players never to have played internationally. Really for a county you want the best possible player but not that good that they get called up.
Glen Chapple although i guess he did play in a odi Vs Ireland.
Still as good as any bowler
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Gary Keedy?
David Sales, pre knee knack? Possibly not.
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Should be a spin off topic - the best current county players never to have played internationally. Really for a county you want the best possible player but not that good that they get called up.
Whilst having good players who play little international cricket is good, I believe I'm correct in saying that counties don't have to pay wages to players with Central contracts? Which means whilst you may only be able to play them a few times a year, they are not a burden on your finances.
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Whilst having good players who play little international cricket is good, I believe I'm correct in saying that counties don't have to pay wages to players with Central contracts? Which means whilst you may only be able to play them a few times a year, they are not a burden on your finances.
Yes it's correct, the club also receives financial compensation from the Ecb for that player, so financially the club benefits. But I really meant in terms of on field results clubs are best having players just below international standard, or ex internationals I suppose.