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Title: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 05:05:52 PM
So, I'm bored. Aus vs sa rained out. So I've had a poor afternoon(apart from shef u in semis), and am just waiting for the England game.


So gayle is apparently back? Will we win? Is he the monster to our 4prong spin attack? Can we cope without root?(strange asking that after he was dropped in aus from test and odi's)


I'm gonna guess at the starting 11

Lumb
Ali
Stokes
Bell
Morgan
Buttler
Bopara
Bresnan
Broad
Tredwell
Parry


Unfortunately I think GILES will end up picking dernbach, and will wright get a return? Hope neither play though.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: shoab68 on March 09, 2014, 05:08:50 PM
How about Alex Hales?
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 05:12:48 PM
How about Alex Hales?

He was injured for the Odis, I've not read anything suggesting he's recovered but could be wrong.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: procricket on March 09, 2014, 05:16:53 PM
Poor afternoon was a Lancashire cup final played and 35 years of hurt sorted out.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 05:35:57 PM
Hmmm,

Glad to see hales back. But wright is in. And only tredwell as spinner. Why oh why is dernbach playing.


Seems they are in fear of the Gaylestorm taking out the spinners,
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 09, 2014, 05:38:08 PM
Hmmm,

Glad to see hales back. But wright is in. And only tredwell as spinner. Why oh why is dernbach playing.


Seems they are in fear of the Gaylestorm taking out the spinners,
Good to see Hales playing again as he's one of our hitters.

And if they're worried about Gayle hitting the spinners out of the park, why on earth would you put Jade "hit this into the stands" Dernbach in as a replacement. What does he have on the selectors to keep gettin a game??  ???
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 05:39:54 PM
He must be a nice bloke!!


Hope he goes for 36 in an over
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 09, 2014, 05:42:00 PM
Dernbach and wright. Brilliant selection, good bloke selection policy.

Looks like Bell's got a nice holiday

Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 09, 2014, 05:43:56 PM
I'm sure they have good team ethics... #BlameKP

Giles and the ECB are still a farce. It's all gone quiet as they hoped but hopefully people won't just forget.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 09, 2014, 05:46:31 PM
He must be a nice bloke!!


Hope he goes for 36 in an over

"Nice guys finish last" - this may well be proven by England at the end of the group stage of the world T20...
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: roco on March 09, 2014, 05:49:28 PM
Having met dernbach he was not that nice can't believe he is in

He did well before the world starting picking his slower ball now he gets twated more than he does well

Weight did well in t20 in aus so worth a go for me before World Cup

Thought Ali deserved a go as promising with bat and ball
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 09, 2014, 05:51:49 PM
Least the batting order is slightly better with stokes moving down to 7
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 06:02:17 PM
Good start, 6!!!!!!


Hmm, sf bats....
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: fros23 on March 09, 2014, 06:02:24 PM
1st ball literally hit out of the ground  :-[
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 09, 2014, 06:02:39 PM
At least Smith is playing himself in, strike rate of over 300!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 06:03:15 PM
14 of 4 balls. Reckon we are gonna regret not going for more spin?
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 09, 2014, 06:04:19 PM
Hope he lasts past the first 6 overs ;).
Could be carnage  :D  :D

Free hit :D
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 09, 2014, 06:04:38 PM
And now a front foot no ball!
This could be a long 20 overs for England...
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 09, 2014, 06:06:35 PM
Dot ball from Dernbach!  :o
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: fros23 on March 09, 2014, 06:07:31 PM
and another
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 09, 2014, 06:10:28 PM
Bresnan on.. Could get worse
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 09, 2014, 06:11:29 PM
Is Gayle feeling alright??
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 09, 2014, 06:12:39 PM
Is Gayle feeling alright??

I was just thinking that.. He's so rusty

Good tactics by broad, keep gayle on strike. Never thought I'd say that
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 06:16:11 PM
That lead edge of Gayles spartan has some ping........
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 09, 2014, 06:24:20 PM
Is Gayle feeling alright??
Scrap that, he's got his eye in now!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 06:24:31 PM
That was massive!


And did you see how he set himself for the next. Not sure he rates stokes.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 09, 2014, 06:25:13 PM
Come on gayle, smash it... Ten overs of these two could be devastating
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 06:28:46 PM
King Ravi!!


Pace off the ball! Now where's our 4 spinners? Oh wait.....
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 06:50:11 PM
big turn from tredders! And then the one that goes straight on bamboozling gayle!


Or


Did that first one hit a jelly bean? I was lead to believe tredwell balled darts, not rippers?
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 09, 2014, 07:35:21 PM
Anyone else see treadwell dig his thumb into the seam after that drop.
England on the tampering again
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 07:36:32 PM
I did not!



Too many runs though, we didn't have enough spinners #gilesout
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 09, 2014, 07:50:29 PM
Hales' weakness starting up against spin

Will wright make it into double figures
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 09, 2014, 07:51:19 PM
Gone first ball. Another failure!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: FattusCattus on March 09, 2014, 07:51:55 PM
Did you hear the Sky commentators congratulating Dernbach on his last over? What about the over before that went for 20? A collection of slower balls that, apart from the first one, seemed to be easily picked.

As I speak, a non-turning spinner is ripping us to pieces!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 07:52:11 PM
Go home luke your drunk!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Steveo1000 on March 09, 2014, 07:52:21 PM
That must be out
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Danny1981 on March 09, 2014, 07:52:32 PM
he will still keep getting a gig though
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: FattusCattus on March 09, 2014, 07:56:11 PM
This is appalling - who is running this ship - who is making these curious selections - do we really have a continued lack of sense?

Dernbach in, Wright in, no Ali, no other spin options!  Madness!! Stop showing pictures of the 'brains trust' on the balcony - I keep shouting at the telly!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Alvaro on March 09, 2014, 07:57:26 PM
Badree's economy rate is phenomenal. He does this to a lot of teams.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Steveo1000 on March 09, 2014, 07:58:35 PM
It appeared as though Broad was looking at a replay of the Wright dismissal and shaking his head in disbelief. We have no chance If the captain doesn't know the rules.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 07:58:56 PM
Someone needs to start a petition to have giles and maybe a few others removed from the england set up.

Shocking.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Alvaro on March 09, 2014, 08:00:41 PM
It appeared as though Broad was looking at a replay of the Wright dismissal and shaking his head in disbelief. We have no chance If the captain doesn't know the rules.

Possibly more likely that he couldn't believe luke Wright is that stupid...
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 09, 2014, 08:01:32 PM
It appeared as though Broad was looking at a replay of the Wright dismissal and shaking his head in disbelief. We have no chance If the captain doesn't know the rules.

To be fair broad is blind. When bowling thinks everything is out and when batting nothing is out.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 09, 2014, 08:03:14 PM
Possibly more likely that he couldn't believe luke Wright is that stupid...

He's been stupid his last 6 international knocks including the ashes t20's
Think that's 6 scores under 12 with a few ducks.

Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Alvaro on March 09, 2014, 08:04:44 PM
He seems shot mentally.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Steveo1000 on March 09, 2014, 08:12:19 PM
I don't understand why Bell isn't playing but Luke Wright is.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 08:15:06 PM
This is painful.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: fros23 on March 09, 2014, 08:15:19 PM
Pretty much everyone has moaned about Bell being in the ODI side for half of his career and now they all want him in the T20 side.  I remember there were people on here that suggested Wright should be in the test side.  Utterly baffling on both counts
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Steveo1000 on March 09, 2014, 08:18:51 PM
Pretty much everyone has moaned about Bell being in the ODI side for half of his career and now they all want him in the T20 side.  I remember there were people on here that suggested Wright should be in the test side.  Utterly baffling on both counts
Bell should play all formats as far as I'm concerned. But don't take me as everyone mate
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Number4 on March 09, 2014, 08:19:05 PM
Keep Wright and Dernbach in the team I say :D
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: fros23 on March 09, 2014, 08:21:13 PM
I'm not taking you as everyone, I've seen it from plenty of others. 

It's the 'in' thing at the moment to criticise pretty much everything England do.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: procricket on March 09, 2014, 08:21:48 PM
Whilst not disagreeing about the shambles.

The double negative left over about English cricket from players to fans is everywhere there is a cancer and it needs cutting out people watch England almost wanting them to be poor.

Seen this in football all to often England need a true leader somebody to pull us all in the right direction.  We need a strong manager/coach next needs to be a bit left field.

Duncan Fletcher to return??
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Steveo1000 on March 09, 2014, 08:23:09 PM
I'm not taking you as everyone, I've seen it from plenty of others. 

It's the 'in' thing at the moment to criticise pretty much everything England do.
It's been the in thing since about 1990 as far as I remember. It's nothing new.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Steveo1000 on March 09, 2014, 08:25:32 PM
Whilst not disagreeing about the shambles.

The double negative left over about English cricket from players to fans is everywhere there is a cancer and it needs cutting out people watch England almost wanting them to be poor.

Seen this in football all to often England need a true leader somebody to pull us all in the right direction.  We need a strong manager/coach next needs to be a bit left field.

Duncan Fletcher to return??
The opinion of us sat here watching makes no difference. Well led talented cricketers make the difference.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: procricket on March 09, 2014, 08:29:40 PM
You think the public opinion make no impact you think they know they have not performed and people are talking about there futures.

Believe in this they look at social media your right this forum is not top of there world but negativity is a cancer.

The cancer left over from over from the whole kp/ flowers/ashes is all to evident .

That's my point

Clean sweep with a new guy with a new mentality
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Steveo1000 on March 09, 2014, 08:37:57 PM
You think the public opinion make no impact you think they know they have not performed and people are talking about there futures.

Believe in this they look at social media your right this forum is not top of there world but negativity is a cancer.

The cancer left over from over from the whole kp/ flowers/ashes is all to evident .

That's my point

Clean sweep with a new guy with a new mentality
I agree that it needs a new mentality. Giles is not the answer to anything.
I don't believe that the opinions of the public make much if any difference to the performance of individuals on the ground in cricket. Football and cricket should never be compared, the cultures of both are miles apart.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Sam on March 09, 2014, 08:38:19 PM
Can anyone lip read? Looked like an accusation to me!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: procricket on March 09, 2014, 08:43:30 PM
At sports psychology level football and cricket at management level is very similar like any team sports mate .   

Managing people is no different in any sport.


Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: procricket on March 09, 2014, 08:49:41 PM
Some sareen bats getting broken today
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Steveo1000 on March 09, 2014, 08:50:57 PM
At sports psychology level football and cricket at management level is very similar like any team sports mate .   

Managing people is no different in any sport.
So why have there not been any successful cross overs in sports management at top if it is no different? If it was no different you would have expected to have seen a successful football manger manage a successful cricket team and visa versa at some point over the past 50 or 60 years. It hasn't happened because the cultures of the two sports are so different. The theory may be the same, the reality is anything but.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 09, 2014, 08:57:31 PM
Eng are shocking.


Do I think they listen to the public? No. Why do I think that, the ECB seem to be totally detached from the cricket playing public, their interest is in themselves and the buck. The players are not as arrogant as footballers (yet), but as more money flows their way they are getting there. So they don't care what you or I think, they know that whatever they do they'll still get their pay check, counties won't drop decent players, same as footballers like Joey Barton etc will always get a gig.

Will the ECB go for a genuine strong leader? No. Why, because they have no interest in doing that.

Everything is money driven first, rather than for the benefit of the game
Everything is too PR driven
Too many 'fluff' jobs.. Analysts galore.. Kit men etc.. Poor players need pampering....

Make those players work for their money, work for the glory. Once they are in it seems hey get treated so well it goes to their heads. Keep their feet on the floor.. It's a privilege to play cricket for a living, and for your country.. Start looking and playing like you give a crap

Cricket is getting more like football and is heading that way in all aspects as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Gingerbusiness on March 09, 2014, 09:03:27 PM
I have just come back from nets tonight to see this...

Luke Wright... I have not seen your shot, nor played against you since we were 19, but HOW, pray tell, do you get stumped FIRST BALL OF YOUR INNINGS!!!! >:(

Why do we persevere with people who are, for use of a better word, inept!

On a happier note, at least Dernbach went for less than his customary 12 an over! Silver linings.... :-[
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 09, 2014, 09:06:17 PM
It just feels like the ECB, Giles,Cook and co are no longer getting any stick. They are keeping quiet and the general public will forget :(

If that happens then Giles will certainly take over and nothing will change.. Eng may get a year or two,at the top again but it'll be luck more than judgement
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: procricket on March 09, 2014, 09:07:28 PM
So why have there not been any successful cross overs in sports management at top if it is no different? If it was no different you would have expected to have seen a successful football manger manage a successful cricket team and visa versa at some point over the past 50 or 60 years. It hasn't happened because the cultures of the two sports are so different. The theory may be the same, the reality is anything but.

Skill set are difference psychology isn't.

A young game is sports psychology.

At club level it simple if your scoring runs do you look at the 2nd team opener?

But if your struggling for runs why do you take a interest when the 2nd team opener starts scoring runs?

Funny how insecurities in players is the biggest failings mentality is the difference at the highest level

 
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 09:10:45 PM
Hahahaha.

Russell can run 100m in less than 11 seconds. Why would you try and out run him! Lol
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Gingerbusiness on March 09, 2014, 09:14:03 PM
Sports Psychologists are needed for people like Tresco, Trott and Yardy, when they feel they have hit a brick wall of emotion and need someone to help.

Some of this lot need a Sir Alex 'Lose and I will kick you in the face' Ferguson type who will kill them if they get out playing poor shots, or even worse, DO NOT LEARN FROM PLAYING POOR SHOTS!

ECB... PLEASE... Employ someone extremely demanding and, to a point, scary!!! I am sick of watching people getting out and looking like they don't give a monkeys about it because they will be on a beach tomorrow with the ECB picking up the tab!

NB. Yes, I do understand the role of sports psychologists better than this but I just think many are using this to mask batting like a total bunch of villagers! Strong, Autocratic guidence is needed in times of crisis. There is NONE of this... either on, or off, the pitch.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: procricket on March 09, 2014, 09:15:59 PM
Sports Psychologists are needed for people like Tresco, Trott and Yardy, when they feel they have hit a brick wall of emotion and need someone to help.

Some of this lot need a Sir Alex 'Lose and I will kick you in the face' Ferguson type who will kill them if they get out playing poor shots, or even worse, DO NOT LEARN FROM PLAYING POOR SHOTS!

ECB... PLEASE... Employ someone extremely demanding and, to a point, scary!!! I am sick of watching people getting out and looking like they don't give a monkeys about it because they will be on a beach tomorrow with the ECB picking up the tab!

Could not agree more we need the good cop bad cop mentality at least it time tough decisions where made
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 09, 2014, 09:18:59 PM
England have gone backwards.
Clearly the majority of this batting line up cannot play spin, or score runs against spin. Had badree played in the odi's England would have lost that series.

Why is broad continuing to playing with a injury? He had it in the odi's

Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: lexx on March 09, 2014, 10:48:14 PM
Wright is shot.I dont think he knows what to do at the moment,i feel sorry for him but he needs to be dropped now.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 09, 2014, 10:54:04 PM
Dropping like flies!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26510212 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26510212)

Broad not to play in next two games.



Wright and dernbach are getting a lot off critism, but it's not there fault. They are both clearly out of touch, and or not good enough at this level, but they aren't gonna refuse to play are they? Nope.

GILES and whoever else needs to pick the team need to pick a decent side, not keeping picking people hoping they look good!


Tactics! Again GILES fault.

Surely as our leader it was his idea to drop our 4 spin attack in place of a seam attack. It can't have been broads(atleast not alone) and I doubt it was dernbach a call.

Funny thing is, too me this change showed how weak minded, and not upto the job GILES is.
West Indies have done nothingut big up how gayle will destroy the slow bowlers now he's back, and it would be a bad tactic for England to use them.
And it looks like giles has fell for it. "Oh crap gayle is back and they say he.  Can destroy spinners" "boys drop the Working tactic and not look at pitch, we going for seam to render gayle useless"

Does he not watch the ipl? He slaps about medium paces for fun, yet can struggle against spin dependant on how in, how good, and the wicket.
Infact he got bamboozled by tredwell.

GILES needs to go! And now.

And my iPad Ned's to stop putting GILES in Capitol letters. Grrr
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 09, 2014, 10:54:27 PM
Broad to miss the last 2 games

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/26510212 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/26510212)


Sorry was beaten to it
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 10, 2014, 07:03:02 AM
Dropping like flies!

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26510212[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26510212[/url])

Broad not to play in next two games.



Wright and dernbach are getting a lot off critism, but it's not there fault. They are both clearly out of touch, and or not good enough at this level, but they aren't gonna refuse to play are they? Nope.

GILES and whoever else needs to pick the team need to pick a decent side, not keeping picking people hoping they look good!


Tactics! Again GILES fault.

Surely as our leader it was his idea to drop our 4 spin attack in place of a seam attack. It can't have been broads(atleast not alone) and I doubt it was dernbach a call.

Funny thing is, too me this change showed how weak minded, and not upto the job GILES is.
West Indies have done nothingut big up how gayle will destroy the slow bowlers now he's back, and it would be a bad tactic for England to use them.
And it looks like giles has fell for it. "Oh crap gayle is back and they say he.  Can destroy spinners" "boys drop the Working tactic and not look at pitch, we going for seam to render gayle useless"

Does he not watch the ipl? He slaps about medium paces for fun, yet can struggle against spin dependant on how in, how good, and the wicket.
Infact he got bamboozled by tredwell.

GILES needs to go! And now.

And my iPad Ned's to stop putting GILES in Capitol letters. Grrr


Don't believe wright and Dernbach have ever been in the 'right touch'. Wright may have scored some runs on flat bbl pitches and without facing decent spinners but he's clearly not good enough for international cricket.

Have to agree with you on selection. Broad said 4 pacers were selected due to the conditions 4 years ago during the t20 WC.
Who's dumb enough to disregard the current pitch and go with something that worked 4 years ago.
Even pollard from the studio said it would spin given results in the carribean PL. They have a back room staff of 15+ yet couldn't do the research. Pretty shocking. Back room staff must be 'good blokes'.

As you mentioned off spinners have had success against gayle, particularly swanny. But maybe management forgot.

Looks like management selected this team without taking into consideration the odi series  :-[
 
More spin and turn in the t20 WC, England Will probably struggle despite being in the easier of the 2 groups
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 10, 2014, 07:29:46 AM
Don't believe wright and Dernbach have ever been in the 'right touch'. Wright may have scored some runs on flat bbl pitches and without facing decent spinners but he's clearly not good enough for international cricket.

Have to agree with you on selection. Broad said 4 pacers were selected due to the conditions 4 years ago during the t20 WC.
Who's dumb enough to disregard the current pitch and go with something that worked 4 years ago.
Even pollard from the studio said it would spin given results in the carribean PL. They have a back room staff of 15+ yet couldn't do the research. Pretty shocking. Back room staff must be 'good blokes'.

As you mentioned off spinners have had success against gayle, particularly swanny. But maybe management forgot.

Looks like management selected this team without taking into consideration the odi series  :-[
 
More spin and turn in the t20 WC, England Will probably struggle despite being in the easier of the 2 groups

At last, someone else has finally mentioned all these 'analysts'... Sit there on there laptops but seem to miss the signs they are looking for, miss the calls... So what is the point of them?!?!??
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 10, 2014, 07:11:10 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26475074 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26475074)

Root out of the world T20
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: FattusCattus on March 10, 2014, 07:22:53 PM
If Broad is suspect as well, why take him? Make Morgan Captain, pick another bowler. This way, Jordan might actually get a game and progress.

We won't win anything with a crocked skipper nursing himself through a tournament.

More muddled thinking!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 10, 2014, 07:28:40 PM
Gutted for root. But these wt20 are every 2 years. So there'll be another.


I also think we'll be a better side without broad. Got no issue with his bowling in general. Buy not sure he's captain material.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 05:38:58 PM
Stokes dropped but Wright continues to be selected even though he's not bowling and struggling with the bat. Yet more stupid selection decisions from England.

Narine out will give England a good chance.

Santokie was the overseas pro a couple of years ago for Farnham Royal
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 05:40:33 PM
Apparently England desperate for wright to get in form.

Ali and parry gives us better spin Options though,
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Neon Cricket on March 11, 2014, 05:55:48 PM
The Wright decision for me is certainly wrong (no pun intended)

Good to see Ali in the side, can't explain why he wasn't in the first match!

Hoping to see some good spin with Ali and Parry - the future for sure
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 06:01:23 PM
Luke wrights international stats 2014

Innings 6
Runs 18
Avg 3


Lol
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 06:06:44 PM
Luke wrights international stats 2014

Innings 6
Runs 18
Avg 3


Lol

3 ducks in that I believe.
That score of 12 really helps the average ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 06:08:41 PM
About time a decision went West Indies way ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 06:11:32 PM
Looked a massive inside edge live,

Replies though would suggest the correct decision.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 06:14:04 PM
Looked a massive inside edge live,

Replies though would suggest the correct decision.

Yup correct decision. Would say a stupid shot.
Has lumb not seen footage of santokie, all he does is bowl wicket to wicket so why would you step across.
 
Ali gone now too, more wicket to wicket bowling from santokie.
Clearly the laptop mugs in the England management aren't doing there jobs
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 06:21:06 PM
And Morgan goes! Big slog sweep to edge(didn't seem to middle it)

26for 3. Buttler in.


Is wright batting 11?lol
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 06:22:38 PM
No flexibility in the England batting order. Bopara should have come in before buttler.
Hales lucky to survive too.

Even without narine England struggling.

Wright might be needed ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: mattw on March 11, 2014, 06:25:42 PM
We do not hit straight enough. The ball Morgan got out to should be a step down the track and hit down the ground - rather than slog sweeping. Much less risk in my opinion against a leg spinner.

Ali was nowhere near the ball he got out to, decent slower ball though.

I'm just glad I've got nets tonight so I don't have to sit through this batting display.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 06:36:21 PM
Hales first big shot and it goes straight up!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 07:00:27 PM
England doing pretty well.
That drop of hales looks big now

Would have probably been a different story had narine played.

Buttler dropped too, West Indies don't want to win this one. Never bravo'a catch

Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 07:02:54 PM
2 drops from skiers!


Hales a conservative innings with a few big hits at end. That catch though. Was just a chip and it went miles!


Buttler looking good. He should bat 3, so he can play himself in. He always looks better that way,
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 07:08:08 PM
2 drops from skiers!


Hales a conservative innings with a few big hits at end. That catch though. Was just a chip and it went miles!


Buttler looking good. He should bat 3, so he can play himself in. He always looks better that way,


Yeah hales should have gone through with the shot. Would have easily carried all the way.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 11, 2014, 08:06:38 PM
Clearly the laptop mugs in the England management aren't doing there jobs

 broads sister isn't likely to get sacked is she.. All the analysts should be fired.. They've been terrible, along wih the rest of the brains trust
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 08:12:49 PM
Shot Luke wright! Lol.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 11, 2014, 08:13:28 PM
I'm watching a game with more chance of a English victory... Arsenal... Haha
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Gingerbusiness on March 11, 2014, 08:13:48 PM
I remember facing Santokie when he played for Farnham Royal CC... He was very decent. Could bat a bit too!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 08:19:00 PM
What is it with send off and arsey bowlers,

Bravo just gave bresnan a send off. Although bresnan did laugh.



Go celebrate with your team mates your Mongs
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 08:34:11 PM
What is it with send off and arsey bowlers,

Bravo just gave bresnan a send off. Although bresnan did laugh.



Go celebrate with your team mates your Mongs

Bresnan does the same at every chance he gets. Why not give it back to him
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 08:37:56 PM
Bravo was the example as it just happened. But all bowlers should go celebrate!!

When footballers score do they go and give the keeper lip?
When nadal smashes a forehand winner does he go scream in murrays face?

Yet cricket is meant to be a gentlemans sport??



Anyway bresnan giving smith freebies there.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
Bowl short to gayle. Ball leaves stadium.


Cant remember sonakeniki bowling short?
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Gingerbusiness on March 11, 2014, 08:44:22 PM
The last ball of Dernbach's first over sums it up.

He's so concerned with bowling quick, he forgets his areas!

He is NOT going to beat Chris Gayle, of all people, for pace!!

On a side note - Smith's bat looks very SS-like to me...
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 08:49:51 PM
Smiths bat is lovely according to bumble. Hes impressed.


Why are we so hung up on english made bats when the indian made that west indies, indians use travel! Serious travel.



This will be over soon. Too soon.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 09:43:14 PM
Bravo and Sammy coming in way to late.
Should have come in ahead of Simmons and Russell.

Thought bopara bowled pretty well, looks like England's most dangerous bowler.

Over to Dernbach ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 09:45:58 PM
Didn't see bravo or russell bowling short at the death yet 2nd ball jade goes short
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 09:49:35 PM
No clue


weather by hook or crook we jad bought ourselves back into the game. But then proceed to throw it away again.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 11, 2014, 09:51:24 PM
why is jade dernbach still being picked surely there has to be some other bowlers worth a try
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 11, 2014, 09:55:12 PM
pretty good way to win a game surprised to see bresnan go for some many though
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 09:55:29 PM
Lost.


As we have lost the series already. I hope its a more experimental side for the 3rd.

Get bell in.
Jettersen dernbach and wright too.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 09:56:51 PM
Is there a match that bresnan does not moan about wides with the umpires?
Clear wide.

Surely West Indies tried to make a game of this by delaying bravo and Sammy :D
Brilliant hitting!

Pathetic death bowling again from England. Broad and Giles' faces at the end was priceless ;).


Giles for full time coach.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 10:18:09 PM
Kp recall time if lumb is injured?  :D
But next on the list if lumb is injured is probably fatty samit.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 10:30:50 PM
Owais shah recall?


Or cook for a left handed opener...... lol
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 11, 2014, 10:34:27 PM
We'll done the ECB.. You've taken eng from world champs and test no 1 to a shambles,,, useless.. Giles,and his coaches/analysts out.

Did I read someone say they were surprised to see bressielad go for runs?? Why?? He's poo, along with most of this England team.. Please bring back our only world class limited overs player!!!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 11, 2014, 10:36:43 PM
We'll done the ECB.. You've taken eng from world champs and test no 1 to a shambles,,, useless.. Giles,and his coaches/analysts out.

Did I read someone say they were surprised to see bressielad go for runs?? Why?? He's poo, along with most of this England team.. Please bring back our only world class limited overs player!!!
But you've got to remember that Bresnan is a nice bloke!
I wonder what Stokes did to be dropped, it can't be on performance as Wright is still getting a game...
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 11, 2014, 10:38:41 PM
Apparently stokes is tired. Mentslly and physically.


What otjer quocks do we have on tour? Broad sidelined, stokes knackered at 22, dernbach and bresnan fodder.

I presume jordan is there, but who else?
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 11, 2014, 10:43:18 PM
We'll done the ECB.. You've taken eng from world champs and test no 1 to a shambles,,, useless.. Giles,and his coaches/analysts out.

Did I read someone say they were surprised to see bressielad go for runs?? Why?? He's poo, along with most of this England team.. Please bring back our only world class limited overs player!!!

Bresnan's the "good luck charm". He's done nothing to warrant his place in all 3 formats yet continues to be selected particularly now that he only bowls low 80mph and moans every time the umpire calls a wide.

Analysts were soo stupid they didn't even bother telling the batsman santokie bowls wicket to wicket and most of his dismissals are bowled or lbw! That's village, is broad's sister just in the team for the salary?? She's one of the laptop lot in the coaching staff.

Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2014, 05:43:08 PM
Gayle rested(gutted)


Still no bell for england(what was the point?)





Nick night doing a hitting class using Gayles bat, the thing is massive! But I always find it sad to see the ugly full fibre scuff sheet on pros bats.
Only my net bat gets that. Lol.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 13, 2014, 05:56:58 PM
Gayle rested(gutted)


Still no bell for england(what was the point?)



Bell got a free holiday ;)

Bresnan "rested". England trying to keep the team moral high by not saying dropped.
Same for wright "injured"...Must have been all that bowling and him not being use to batting for so long ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Gingerbusiness on March 13, 2014, 06:12:43 PM
Santokie V Hales

That was Farnham Royal CC V Gerrards Cross CC in the Home Counties Feeder a few years ago!

How quickly times change!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2014, 06:31:03 PM
England in decent power play shocker!


Hales bat covered in bowling machine marks. Paid off as that one cleared the stands! Willow.


Well batted lumb. Nice 50
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2014, 07:05:19 PM
England being adaptable and sent. Organ and buttler in ahead of Ali.


Runs dry up, lol, only England could do that. Haha,
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: GarrettJ on March 13, 2014, 07:08:41 PM
My wife is loving this domination by West Indies, so I keep asking her why she doesn't watch test matches any more
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2014, 07:13:07 PM
I wish I was West Indian, or Indian, or Australian. Infact anything but English. You see woman at these games cheering on and enjoying it. Yet I've meant to meet an English lass that likes cricket!




Have England destroyed the talent that is stokes already? He had no idea then!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2014, 07:27:51 PM
Thought we wasn't even gonna give a competetive total then!

Chris Jordan with 26 of the last over got us to something decent though,
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Alvaro on March 13, 2014, 07:28:42 PM
Well, good hitting Mr Jordan.
Shame Goochie will have that ironed out of him in a month, just in time for him to be bowling no faster than 68mph but with a 'repeatable' action.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: GarrettJ on March 13, 2014, 07:29:13 PM
My wife loves it
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Danny1981 on March 13, 2014, 07:30:21 PM
My missus loves it. She often comes watching me play and is badgers to come to lancs twenty20s with me. I think the cockspur rum stall at lccc she discovers might have a bit to do with it.haha
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 13, 2014, 07:33:27 PM
Mrs gets bored wih anything other than t20, and will only watch int games as the rest she says are crap as the players are crap.

Can't moan though, she's giving me a fair bit of capital to do a cricket business so she can't hate it :).. Plus she's coming out to oz next winter with me etc
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 13, 2014, 07:41:26 PM
why does jade always celebrate wickets like a (No Swearing Please). Even when getting smacked around, same stupid celebration
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 13, 2014, 07:44:55 PM
why does jade always celebrate wickets like a (No Swearing Please). Even when getting smacked around, same stupid celebration

Cause he's a prat
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: fros23 on March 13, 2014, 08:03:29 PM
because he doesn't get the chance to do it very often
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2014, 08:04:40 PM
cant believe dernbach bowled a maiden did he bribe the batsmen
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 13, 2014, 08:06:08 PM
Cause he's a prat
tw
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2014, 08:23:27 PM
Jordan havig a game and a half. What a catch!!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2014, 08:26:18 PM
jordan could get man of the match by the sounds of it
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: FattusCattus on March 13, 2014, 08:29:19 PM
How many times have I said Ravi is one of our most dangerous limited overs bowlers?

To all you Ravi haters, he's one of our better players these days!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: FattusCattus on March 13, 2014, 08:31:52 PM
Sadly (and cynically) I would add that we seem to be winning a game that is meaningless and with all the pressure taken off.

I fear for us in Bangladesh.

Jordan - how have they not,picked him more?
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 13, 2014, 08:34:46 PM
How many times have I said Ravi is one of our most dangerous limited overs bowlers?

To all you Ravi haters, he's one of our better players these days!
That last over will give all the haters something to slate him for though! Dernbach-esque economy
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2014, 08:37:17 PM
King ravi. Here here.



Arent dead rubbers what we are reknowned for? Oh wait we get annihilated in them recently too
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 13, 2014, 08:42:46 PM
How many times have I said Ravi is one of our most dangerous limited overs bowlers?

To all you Ravi haters, he's one of our better players these days!

Will probably be even more dangerous in Bangladesh on those slow low wickets. Plus all the bpl experience him and Morgan have had.

Knowing England's selection logic Jordan probably won't get selected in the t20 WC starting 11, he's not good luck charm bresnan. Bresnan only being 'rested' this game.

Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: FattusCattus on March 13, 2014, 08:43:09 PM
That last over will give all the haters something to slate him for though! Dernbach-esque economy

....land his next over?
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 13, 2014, 08:51:57 PM
40 from 18, Windies favourites...
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2014, 08:52:48 PM
another great over from dernbach
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2014, 08:54:41 PM
Windies to win this!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2014, 08:56:22 PM
Windies to win this!

i agree dernbach will bowl one of the last two and gove for 17 runs i reckon
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 13, 2014, 08:57:03 PM
i agree dernbach will bowl one of the last two and gove for 17 runs i reckon
Jordan with the 19th and Dernbach to finish it for the West Indies
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2014, 08:57:32 PM
was has moeen ali not bowled and also batted at 7? no consistency at all
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: FattusCattus on March 13, 2014, 08:58:34 PM
Oh look, people are picking Dernbachs slower ball!

That's about as familiar as FastEddie posting on here that he doesn't care what people think of his posts! :)
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2014, 09:00:59 PM
just hope dernbach has at least 20 runs to play with
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 13, 2014, 09:01:13 PM
Should've reviewed that one, the stump was still in the ground!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 13, 2014, 09:01:52 PM
just hope dernbach has at least 20 runs to play with
We've seen the 20th over of England's innings go for 26, Dernbach won't want to be outdone!
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2014, 09:04:59 PM
england are currently 2/7 and windies 11/4 obviously the bookies have never heard of dernbach
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 13, 2014, 09:05:19 PM
Here we go, will be finished with a ball to spare...
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2014, 09:08:08 PM
england still have a chance to win this
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2014, 09:08:11 PM
Simmons lbw!!!



Bumble has lost the plot. Lol
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2014, 09:09:37 PM
Short ball smashed!!

7 of 2
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2014, 09:10:53 PM
dernbach bowls a slower ball and they miss it whats going on
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 13, 2014, 09:11:00 PM
Tie still on here!
or a short no-ball into the stand...
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 13, 2014, 09:11:32 PM
6 off 1
A wide, for gods sake Jade!  >:(
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2014, 09:11:38 PM
what an absolute idiot bowling a wide he doesn't want to win this
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2014, 09:11:46 PM
Wide ball. Sammy to win it?
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2014, 09:12:09 PM
i reckon he will bowl a short ball
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 13, 2014, 09:12:48 PM
Sammy what have you done?  :o
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2014, 09:13:05 PM
what the f##k is he celebrating for that last ball was so bad it nearly pitched on the next strip
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: smilley792 on March 13, 2014, 09:13:16 PM
Why oh why didnt he leave that? Shocking ball. Lol



England win. Woohoo. T20 wc favourites? We did just beat the champs.....
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: FattusCattus on March 13, 2014, 09:13:47 PM
Why does that feel like we have just limped to victory?
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: A-Swing-And-A-Miss on March 13, 2014, 09:15:05 PM
what the f##k is he celebrating for that last ball was so bad it nearly pitched on the next strip

Sammy's a proper leg side biffer so he put it really far outside off stump to stop him firing it into the legside. Excellent bowling.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: uknsaunders on March 13, 2014, 09:16:24 PM
Why does that feel like we have just limped to victory?

Because we still tried to cock up a winning position.

Sent from my Lenovo B6000-F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 13, 2014, 09:18:06 PM
Jade was safe as houses there  :-[

If Sammy had the whole over, he probably would have won it.
Sent in too late.

Again pretty poor bowling at the death. Had a proper hitter been in instead of ramdin or Simmons in the last 4 overs, the match would have been over with balls to spare
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Sam on March 13, 2014, 09:18:57 PM
Sammy's a proper leg side biffer so he put it really far outside off stump to stop him firing it into the legside. Excellent bowling.

Wait, what... He may be a leg side biffer but that doesn't mean he should bowl a wide nearly a metre out of his allowance! Wouldn't quite rate it as excellent to me, more lucky that Sammy was so pressurised that he swung at it.
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: csnew on March 13, 2014, 09:20:15 PM
Sammy's a proper leg side biffer so he put it really far outside off stump to stop him firing it into the legside. Excellent bowling.

Sammy showed last match he can hit off side too
Title: Re: Eng vs West Indies t20s
Post by: Danny1981 on March 13, 2014, 09:26:42 PM
Quite a laughable way to win in the end