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Title: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: smilley792 on March 14, 2014, 05:41:46 PM
Just been announced on sky he's broke his hand punching a locker......lol


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26585499 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/26585499)
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: mattw on March 14, 2014, 05:47:34 PM
Thank god for that, he's done the whole squad a favour - completely out of form with the bat and doesn't offer anything different to what we already have with the ball.

It's still unbelievable to think we haven't got anyone in the squad who has won the domestic competition within the last 2 years.
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: jwebber86 on March 14, 2014, 05:51:53 PM
im sure he will be fined soon for showing such a human emotion surely that can;t be allowed in the team england bubble
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 14, 2014, 05:53:56 PM
im sure he will be fined soon for showing such a human emotion surely that can;t be allowed in the team england bubble


The last non robot got sacked.. 
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: smilley792 on March 14, 2014, 05:57:20 PM

The last non robot got sacked..


Wouldn't be suprised if it wasn't broken, that's just the bs released, after they sent him home for speaking his mind???

#blamekp&stokes
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 14, 2014, 06:04:07 PM

Wouldn't be suprised if it wasn't broken, that's just the bs released, after they sent him home for speaking his mind???

#blamekp&stokes

While good as he's in terrible form.. He was a small glimmer of hope from the ashes of the.. Well, ashes
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: csnew on March 14, 2014, 06:35:32 PM
Wouldn't say poor form, he just seems to be a poor player of spin.
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 14, 2014, 06:41:45 PM
KP's phone is on :)
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: iand123 on March 14, 2014, 06:50:32 PM
Been quite a fall from (relative) grave for stokes since the ashes. Will be interesting to see how he responds to this dip in form
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: Manormanic on March 14, 2014, 06:54:04 PM
Don't think its a dip in form so much as T20 not really being his game, at least not at international level and certainly not in conditions that preclude his bowling.
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: FattusCattus on March 14, 2014, 07:10:36 PM
Exactly!

Perversely given his past, I actually think he has a future as a test player. Get him out of the slap and tickle stuff, and leave the all rounder stuff to Bopara, Ali and Woakes, who are not likely to get into the test team.

The limited overs stuff is going to spoil him. Sadly the England setup will flog him to death in the shorter form and he will fail in the longer form.
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: Blank Bats on March 14, 2014, 07:21:34 PM
So who will replace him.
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: Buzz on March 14, 2014, 07:26:50 PM
Chris woakes has had the nod. (warwickshire)

fat sammit should have got the nod.
no sign of Napier if trego either.

ecb have no idea
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 14, 2014, 07:41:46 PM
So who will replace him.
England's best t20 player ..

Yep


KP!!!!
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: joeljonno on March 14, 2014, 08:42:05 PM
England's best t20 player ..


Jade Dernbach???  ;)
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: uknsaunders on March 14, 2014, 09:40:42 PM
How can you slate jade after out thinking Sammy last night 😉

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Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: csnew on March 14, 2014, 09:51:58 PM
Chris woakes has had the nod. (warwickshire)


Giles has been trying to get him in the team since becoming selector.
Another non-cricketing ability selection, "good lad selection".
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: A-Swing-And-A-Miss on March 14, 2014, 10:14:44 PM
Interesting that the consensus seems to be that neither Stokes nor Dernbach are good enough to play T20 internationally. And yet Stokes was the 13th highest run scorer in the FLT20(with a far higher S/R than any of the 12 who scored more runs than him) whilst Dernbach was the 4th highest wicket taker in the tournament.

So what is the cause of the problem? Is it a mental thing? Is the standard of the FLT20 too weak due to a lack of quality foreign players? Lack of ethics?
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: 123* on March 14, 2014, 10:21:05 PM
Some of the stories about Stokes in the Ashes was interesting to say the least, if management found out these things don't think he will be in the team for too much longer!
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: csnew on March 14, 2014, 10:45:46 PM
Interesting that the consensus seems to be that neither Stokes nor Dernbach are good enough to play T20 internationally. And yet Stokes was the 13th highest run scorer in the FLT20(with a far higher S/R than any of the 12 who scored more runs than him) whilst Dernbach was the 4th highest wicket taker in the tournament.

So what is the cause of the problem? Is it a mental thing? Is the standard of the FLT20 too weak due to a lack of quality foreign players? Lack of ethics?

I've always thought the FL t20 is a poor quality competition. A few on here have disagreed.
But way too many teams, quality isn't great. Struggles to attract the big names, few retired blokes like ponting looking to make a small buck. If the England internationals players don't play, I don't see how anyone rates the competition.

Stokes may have scored runs but there is a lack of quality spinners in the fl t20. Wasn't samit one of the most successful spinners last year. Says a lot about the competition
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: smilley792 on March 14, 2014, 10:52:48 PM
I've always thought the FL t20 is a poor quality competition. A few on here have disagreed.
But way too many teams, quality isn't great. Struggles to attract the big names, few retired blokes like ponting looking to make a small buck. If the England internationals players don't play, I don't see how anyone rates the competition.

Stokes may have scored runs but there is a lack of quality spinners in the fl t20. Wasn't samit one of the most successful spinners last year. Says a lot about the competition

Big bash doesnt have aus internationals in either this year

Warner played once
Bailey in the final
Clarke not at all
Johnson not at all
Etc etc

They had no south africans as there t20 ram slam is at the same time.
Only the odd west indian as they chose to play ram slam(narine being one)

They had to rely on hales, bopara and kieswetter to bring in tje crowds.
yet all in all was a sucfessful tournament.
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: csnew on March 14, 2014, 11:08:26 PM
Big bash doesnt have aus internationals in either this year

Warner played once
Bailey in the final
Clarke not at all
Johnson not at all
Etc etc

They had no south africans as there t20 ram slam is at the same time.
Only the odd west indian as they chose to play ram slam(narine being one)

They had to rely on hales, bopara and kieswetter to bring in tje crowds.
yet all in all was a sucfessful tournament.

Aussies and SA domestic competitions had fewer teams, that's why the competition is of a higher standard. Do you seriously think teams like derby and Glamorgan etc make the FL a strong competition.
It needs a revamp, with only 6-7 teams

Big bash had it's fair share of international players too.
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: smilley792 on March 14, 2014, 11:29:11 PM
Aussies and SA domestic competitions had fewer teams, that's why the competition is of a higher standard. Do you seriously think teams like derby and Glamorgan etc make the FL a strong competition.
It needs a revamp, with only 6-7 teams

Big bash had it's fair share of international players too.

Not sure you meant to reply to my post as you seem to be arguing about something I havent mentioned.


And apart from English t20 players, and 2 sri lankas, big bash had sod all internationals. I know. Being Ill and stuck in a hospital bed, I watched every game.
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: tim2000s on March 15, 2014, 12:17:07 AM
Aussies and SA domestic competitions had fewer teams, that's why the competition is of a higher standard. Do you seriously think teams like derby and Glamorgan etc make the FL a strong competition.
It needs a revamp, with only 6-7 teams

Big bash had it's fair share of international players too.
That's the old County structure problem rather than a FLT20 one...

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Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: csnew on March 15, 2014, 08:10:39 AM
Not sure you meant to reply to my post as you seem to be arguing about something I havent mentioned.


And apart from English t20 players, and 2 sri lankas, big bash had sod all internationals. I know. Being Ill and stuck in a hospital bed, I watched every game.

But the big bash had decent domestic players, the likes of marsh brothers, Brett lee, finch, hussey bro's.
A mix of international class players and retired players in every team.

That's the old County structure problem rather than a FLT20 one...

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Is it not time for the ecb to go down the franchise route? Or are they scared to upset the counties.
Probably will never change since most counties rely on the money from the t20's
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: joeylough on March 15, 2014, 08:37:29 AM
Got to say I like stokes even more now he has had a fight with a locker.

Angry man with fire to win
Title: Re: Stokes out of worlds t20
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 15, 2014, 08:43:31 AM
Got to say I like stokes even more now he has had a fight with a locker.

Angry man with fire to win

Doesn't fit the England mould they appear desperate to create. Good team players with work ethics don't go around getting all angry and smashin things up.. That's bad boy behaviour which has been outlawed... Unless we are going to see duel standards applied of course?!?!!?