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Title: Injury diagnosis? (with pics)
Post by: Howzat on March 22, 2014, 01:07:30 PM
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Injured my knee/leg during a football match not entirely sure how it happened just suddenly felt a pain and within 5 mins knee had swollen up and couldn't bend/straighten. Walking is extremely difficult.  Went to a and e who said they didn't think it was anything serious but gave me some crutches then the day after the bruising behind the knee and on calf came out.

Anyone know what this could be?
Title: Re: Injury diagnosis? (with pics)
Post by: Danny1981 on March 22, 2014, 01:34:40 PM
Can't be good if it wasn't even a impact injury. I wouldn't even like to hazard a guess at what you've done to it
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Post by: Howzat on March 22, 2014, 01:47:53 PM
The bruising is suggesting to me some sort of tear of calf/hamstring...
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Post by: Seniorplayer on March 22, 2014, 05:31:17 PM
I had similar looking bruised calf mine was a cyst which had burst.
Title: Re: Injury diagnosis? (with pics)
Post by: fasteddie on March 22, 2014, 05:39:45 PM
I be careful of having a tubi grip over your knee cap. They tend to press the patella into the joint causing a lot of wear and tear.

What does the Dr say about the injury? They will have the best diagnosis.
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Post by: procricket on March 22, 2014, 06:09:50 PM
Bufen and tubi can fix anything including missing limbs according to some MO
Title: Re: Injury diagnosis? (with pics)
Post by: fasteddie on March 22, 2014, 06:36:24 PM
Bufen and tubi can fix anything including missing limbs according to some MO

2 paracetamol, a pack of ibuprofen and 3 days light duties.

Title: Re: Injury diagnosis? (with pics)
Post by: Howzat on March 22, 2014, 07:50:06 PM
I be careful of having a tubi grip over your knee cap. They tend to press the patella into the joint causing a lot of wear and tear.

What does the Dr say about the injury? They will have the best diagnosis.

Dr was less than useless, said it may be an MCL ligament injury but she doesn't think its anything serious. Although when I went she was focussing on the knee however it now appears its due to a calf injury which is what is causing the restricted knee movement...
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Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 22, 2014, 08:00:50 PM
Ice it loads. Missed the boat really but still worth doing a bit. Elevate it, get the anti inflamitary drug on the go and give it a few days. Keep it moving if you can but just light stuff.

See what it's like, if it's bad still after 3-4 days then go back, hopefully the swelling will have reduced apart from any affected area. Makes their life easier then, usually make a it obvious.
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Post by: Howzat on March 22, 2014, 08:04:38 PM
Thanks, good advice! Got a game I'm hoping to play in on Wednesday... not looking likely at the mo tho :(
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Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 22, 2014, 09:17:57 PM
Thanks, good advice! Got a game I'm hoping to play in on Wednesday... not looking likely at the mo tho :(
[url]http://www.sportsgazette.co.uk/section.php?aid=1117&sid=23[/url] ([url]http://www.sportsgazette.co.uk/section.php?aid=1117&sid=23[/url])


Write that off, even if it's not serious with that amount of swelling it's worth giving it time to recover. League footy is poo anyway!
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Post by: lewis_faulds on March 22, 2014, 09:28:49 PM
Depends what position you play, I played a centre forward role with two pulled muscles and still scored..  :D
But from photos it looks as if it could be a bad one - perhaps wait until it's settled
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Post by: Chad on March 22, 2014, 09:41:56 PM
I had very similar bruising after being hit by a cricket ball in the shin, and being unable to straighten my leg without feeling pain there. It was after I went to a Chinese doc, and he rubbed the flipping bruise, then the swelling went down dramatically, but I noticed bruising had spread to my calf, and it looked very similar to this. He said it was normal, and it was something to do with a flow of blood, which had been blocked a bit due to the swelling.

Not sure how much of this I should believe, seeing as Chinese Medicine is considered to be non-medically accurate, but it was much better after the first treatment!
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Post by: eukaryote76 on March 23, 2014, 12:23:41 AM
Mechanism of injury, bruising, speed of swelling, function and your aspirations as a footballer or cricketer are all important here.
Depending on how important your sport is to you, I would get the opinion of a doctor that has an interest in sports injuries or a good physio. What may be considered minor injury to a casual or infrequent player can be serious to others more invested in their sport.
Certainly a contact injury increases risk of significant internal derangement of the knee, but a twisting or sudden stopping non-contact injury can also cause meniscal or cruciate ligament injuries, which may remain on the radar given your reported speed of swelling and bruising. Other meniscal signs including clicking, blocking (so only straightens or bends so far then stops), locking (gets stuck in a position), or recurrent swelling after exercise when you return to activity. Bear in mind also these things come in degrees and you're not forced to have full thickness injuries straight away, but they could become that way if you rush it. In the first two weeks after injury you are very prone to further more serious injury without the proper support, physio and rest. It is unlikely that you have a ruptured Baker's cyst as you look too young and your knees in too good condition. Pain in your calf should not effect your ability to flex and extend your knee, which is achieved through the hamstrings. Your calf controls your ankle movements. Having said all of this, looking at your photos, in absence of a sudden trauma or having to leave the field through immobility and pain, then I would consider a partial hamstring tear (confirmed on ultrasound) - feel up and down the hamstrings and tendons as they insert behind your knee and into the top of your tibia (the bleeding/ bruising will follow gravity to an extent so you can expect pain and swelling to spread to the calf). That's the good news, and the most likely. Once that is excluded you should be getting specialist opinions if you're young and value your sport. You dont want an internal knee injury going undiagnosed, though this does seem less likely as the swelling would be noticeable at the front of the knee as well as the back and for the bruising to appear you would have to have ruptured the joint capsule also - possible but would stop most in their tracks immediately. Rest Ice Compression Elevation only goes so far. Play it safe. Seek more help. Good luck.
Title: Re: Injury diagnosis? (with pics)
Post by: Number 11 on March 24, 2014, 01:43:48 AM
Looks like torn muscle to me, did you feel a sort of ping then a tingling sensation? Happened to the muscles just under my right arm below the armpit. Not massively painful but one hell of a bruise.
Rest it well for a few days then start gentle stretching exercises.
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Post by: Howzat on March 24, 2014, 07:55:14 PM
Mechanism of injury, bruising, speed of swelling, function and your aspirations as a footballer or cricketer are all important here.
Depending on how important your sport is to you, I would get the opinion of a doctor that has an interest in sports injuries or a good physio. What may be considered minor injury to a casual or infrequent player can be serious to others more invested in their sport.
Certainly a contact injury increases risk of significant internal derangement of the knee, but a twisting or sudden stopping non-contact injury can also cause meniscal or cruciate ligament injuries, which may remain on the radar given your reported speed of swelling and bruising. Other meniscal signs including clicking, blocking (so only straightens or bends so far then stops), locking (gets stuck in a position), or recurrent swelling after exercise when you return to activity. Bear in mind also these things come in degrees and you're not forced to have full thickness injuries straight away, but they could become that way if you rush it. In the first two weeks after injury you are very prone to further more serious injury without the proper support, physio and rest. It is unlikely that you have a ruptured Baker's cyst as you look too young and your knees in too good condition. Pain in your calf should not effect your ability to flex and extend your knee, which is achieved through the hamstrings. Your calf controls your ankle movements. Having said all of this, looking at your photos, in absence of a sudden trauma or having to leave the field through immobility and pain, then I would consider a partial hamstring tear (confirmed on ultrasound) - feel up and down the hamstrings and tendons as they insert behind your knee and into the top of your tibia (the bleeding/ bruising will follow gravity to an extent so you can expect pain and swelling to spread to the calf). That's the good news, and the most likely. Once that is excluded you should be getting specialist opinions if you're young and value your sport. You dont want an internal knee injury going undiagnosed, though this does seem less likely as the swelling would be noticeable at the front of the knee as well as the back and for the bruising to appear you would have to have ruptured the joint capsule also - possible but would stop most in their tracks immediately. Rest Ice Compression Elevation only goes so far. Play it safe. Seek more help. Good luck.

Thanks for the advice! I am seeing a physio tomorrow, so will hopefully know more after that!
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Post by: eukaryote76 on March 27, 2014, 11:41:48 AM
Any news?
Title: Re: Injury diagnosis? (with pics)
Post by: Howzat on March 27, 2014, 03:53:23 PM
Grade 2 tendon damage of calf and probably hamstring too. Been given some stretches to do each day. Not having much luck getting it straight when Im walking though.
Title: Re: Injury diagnosis? (with pics)
Post by: eukaryote76 on March 28, 2014, 12:08:58 AM
That's goodish news. Could be worse. Still, don't want to turn a grade 2 into a grade 3/ complete rupture. Best take it slow. There is a really good physio website called 'The running physio' which has YouTube rehab vids and some excellent advice about return to sport activity. Good luck.