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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: tim2000s on April 07, 2014, 04:59:55 PM
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I see the comment in a lot of threads that a toe looks "skinny" and that a "skinny" toe is more likely to result in some form of damage.
When I look at some of the older bats I have, many have slimmer toes than some of the chubbier ones people show off on the forum, and few, if any, have damage caused by being a skinny toe, i.e., catching a toe edge and it breaking through the full depth of the bat.
With bats with both thicker and thinner toes, I've managed to get compression cracks jamming the ball down on to a Yorker in indoor nets, and this hasn't resulted in any chunks of wood snapping off. In all my years playing, a slimmer toe has been a good way to reduce weight and improve pick up.
Are people making much ado about nothing with their concerns, or is there really something in the skinny toe question?
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A thicker toe will negatively effect he pickup, but may look "sturdier" so you're more likely to feel confident it won't break.
As you pointed out already, if you dig out a hard ball against the floor with a bit of willow, only one thing will give, an it's not the floor, so your bat will be vulnerable to this whatever the thickness of the toe is.
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i dont really find it much of an issue personally but i tend to not drive the ball if its in the block hole .. simple reason as i dont want to break my bat.. sends a shiver up my spine when i see someone try n smash a yorker out the ground ! cant help but feel for the bat !
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I like a thick toe. Thicker the better. And preferable with the spine still going through it.
Why?
Because im that guy acko1029383839 hates thats tried to smash a yorker for 6!
Or atleast get it of the square for runs.
And yes i break about 2/3 bats a season on average in the tow area.
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When I want to improve pickup I always look first at the toe to remove wood providing it is not to thin that's where I take wood from. I have only ever had one toe spilt and that was from the bat hitting the indoor net floor. That said I never drive Yorkers.
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Just to add the skinniest I have sanded a toe is 3/4 inch thick, i have
used it against opening bowlers with out any splitting or damage.
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I prefer thick toe because it gives me more confidence.
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I prefer thick toe because it gives me more confidence.
My point exactly!
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Why does it give you more confidence? (I genuinely don't understand this)
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All my toes are very skinny i prefer having meat up the bat i even got my favourite bat of all time shaved extra skinny there.
Agree Cam I was a fool this winter cracked my bat on the hard floor/ball syndrome.
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Thick enough? Lol.
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Rk custom!!
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Thick enough? Lol.
I doubt I'd be able to even pick that up!
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Why does it give you more confidence? (I genuinely don't understand this)
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Its all down to perception when you look down.
More wood in the toe means it's thicker (naturally). The average punter will think thicker toe = less likely to break as there's more wood there.
More wood = stronger, so they'd therefore assume thicker toe = better/stronger/lasts longer etc.
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Rk custom!!
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Thick enough? Lol.
What's the weight on that!? Love to see some profile pics!
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What's the weight on that!? Love to see some profile pics!
in here fella
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=29229.msg460986#msg460986 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=29229.msg460986#msg460986)
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I don't like bats with heavy pick up but I also hit a few at the toe at least 1/10. I would go with something not too thick but gives me comfy feeling that I won't break the bat.
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in here fella
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3lb3! Thats more than my whole kit bag weighs lol
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I have picked up your bat Chris a very nice bat indeed Ryan has done there a future star that lad is.
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Its all down to perception when you look down.
More wood in the toe means it's thicker (naturally). The average punter will think thicker toe = less likely to break as there's more wood there.
More wood = stronger, so they'd therefore assume thicker toe = better/stronger/lasts longer etc.
I honestly don't think the average punter cares. I can't tell the size of my toe when looking down the bat. The meat gets in the way.
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I honestly don't think the average punter cares. I can't tell the size of my toe when looking down the bat. The meat gets in the way.
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In which case I'm just as clueless on this as you are mate ???
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Another with a large toe is the Laver Legacy, huuuge.
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Why does it give you more confidence? (I genuinely don't understand this)
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My Newbery GT had a thin toe, blocked a yorker and it cracked. across the toe rather than front to back, 1 cm along the toe then 1cm up the inside edge perfectly in the middle of the toe.
It's been repaired and never a problem again, but I'm scared of the ball hitting that area of the toe.
Even if i'm completely wrong, a thicker toe for me feels more sturdy and less likely to crack through the toe.
I feel more confident with a thicker toe, don't care if i'm right.
A cricket bat placebo if you like.
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Another with a large toe is the Laver Legacy, huuuge.
Never seen a Laver without a reasonable sized toe... Through to be fair, only place in the world where pitches place, generally, as slow and low as they do here in the UK.
Or could be the Millichamp and Hall factor. Never see a small toe from them these days.
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the grains running through the toe are a factor.
I was told by a head bat maker that .................
If there is a grain that goes off wonky towards the edge then it is more likely to split there .... if they are perfectly straight its less likely to crack.
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Straight prominent grains through the toe are a factor a thin toe with grains running through it is less likely to split than a thicker toe with poor grainage.
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Can anyone post a picture of a particularly thin toe?
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I can when I can get to my kit bag!
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The thinnest that was in my collection(now sold)
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/smilley792/20140313_212124_zpsh40mmynv.jpg) (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/smilley792/media/20140313_212124_zpsh40mmynv.jpg.html)
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I am in the Michael Clarke camp... thin toe is better... I would rather have the weight and power where it matters. But I use particularly light bats so I am probably more conscious than most of keeping the weight down.
You are much less likely to score serious runs from a Yorker so why do you need a thick toe? Just dig it out and wait for the next ball.
But if I could wield a 3lb monster then I wouldn't care!
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Can anyone post a picture of a particularly thin toe?
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/1CB651DF-EB3A-4A01-82A1-5CE922FF00D3-2471-000001949F8AB3E6_zps6629ee95.jpg)
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That chase is bloody skinny, did you ever have any problems with it?
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That chase is bloody skinny, did you ever have any problems with it?
Never had a problem with it at all mate
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Wow! What are specs on that bat Cameron? It looks ridiculously skinny in those pics..
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I'll dig out a couple of skinny toes later.
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I've personally found that the thickness of the toe doesn't matter, and I would rather reduce the weight at the bottom of a bat while maintaining a low middle, thus the toe itself can be relatively thin. I don't know that it matters unless you are facing a professional seemer who will be hurling down 80-90mph yorkers at you. Willow is surprisingly strong at times...
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Wow! What are specs on that bat Cameron? It looks ridiculously skinny in those pics..
It weighs 2lb8 with one grip, stickers & scuff sheet.
As for measurements I'll get some tonight after work
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I've personally found that the thickness of the toe doesn't matter, and I would rather reduce the weight at the bottom of a bat while maintaining a low middle, thus the toe itself can be relatively thin. I don't know that it matters unless you are facing a professional seemer who will be hurling down 80-90mph yorkers at you. Willow is surprisingly strong at times...
Completely agree. And bats of yore with slimmer toes than many now didn't used to break when Lillee was hurling his thunderballs at them!
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my mh distinction had a thin toe, lasted a 3 seasons and thousands of runs.
Eventally it split when i drove a yorker in my first pre season net. I think it had dried out over the winter in my house.
I always put a piece of tape around the bottom of the bat though.
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I've always thought a toe if split 3/4 or if it's split all the way is the same thing, therefore why would you get a thicker toe and more weight in an area rarely used?
Isn't a thinish toe with lammitoe a pretty old compromise?
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Love that chase camp
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Aii? Is that an autograph bat? :o
Whats the story fella
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That's very thin on the right handers inside edge!
Or is it a trick of the light?
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Thought I'd add my pictures of a skinny toe. There's a 5p for reference here. The bat was made by one of the best, so I trust he knows what he is doing...
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/21/pynyhyme.jpg)
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