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Title: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: rbblack on April 23, 2014, 12:25:05 PM
Hello everyone!
I wasn't entirely sure where to put this thread, so apologies to the admin team if it is in the wrong place.

So as the thread title suggests, I am looking for tips to setting a field for my Leg Spin bowling, I have fair control with the ability to bowl a googly and a topspinner. But I am looking for a stock field setting, does anyone have any experience in setting an effective field for a leg spinner or any ideas about where I should be placing people?

Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Bruce on April 23, 2014, 12:31:56 PM
2nd slip
Short cover
Point on boundary
Deep square on boundary
cow
long on
Mid off
short fine leg
mid wicket on the 1
 
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: MD2812 on April 23, 2014, 12:38:21 PM
point and square leg on the boundary. Covers sweep and if you drop one short.

Mid on and mid off back, encourage the drive giving the ball maximum time to turn off the pitch.

slip, cover.

Fine leg in off the boundary on the 45.

Midwicket in and a backward square leg/ gully.

Sounds a bit horrible in my head, trying to visualise where I want the players to be when keeping.
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Buzz on April 23, 2014, 12:47:26 PM
these are some very defensive fields!!

In the barn last night we had in our imaginary field placings

slip
gully
point/deep point
cover
extra cover (left midoff because the bowler was ripping it!)

then
mid on  (on 1)
mid wicket
Cheap seats (cow)
square leg behind square.

so a 5-4 offside field.
If it isn't turning so much you can have gully on one and put point on the fence.

If you have two on the legside fence then either the bowler is bowling too many pies or you have a batsman who is playing everything across the line and wont last long.

Putting four guys on the fence has been suggested isn't an approach I would want to go for - unless that is the state of the game - i.e. the batsmen are on the moo
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Blank Bats on April 23, 2014, 12:59:02 PM
the positions on the leg side especially, will need tweaking dependant on the amount of turn u get too
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Blank Bats on April 23, 2014, 12:59:57 PM
Buzz is the man
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Rob580 on April 23, 2014, 01:05:44 PM
I would say same as Buzz, unless they are going for the fine sweep a fair bit then move gully to 45 on the one. Would be a bit more defensive. But obviously all this depends on your skiil as a leggie! Most leggies i see serve up such a mix it really doesn't matter where the field is. You might as well just stand in the middle of the pitch and tell everyone spread out...
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Manormanic on April 23, 2014, 01:05:47 PM
Yeah, not sure any of the above really go with what I'd look toward; they're either too defensive or pie in the sky.

Assuming the bowler really does have good control and turns the ball, I'd look for a 5-4 offside field, protecting the spin of the stock ball.

On the off side, I'd have a wide slip, backward point slightly deep, close cover and mid off with a boundary rider at extra - this is a better bet than a deep point because it shields both the drag down and the miscued drive.

On the leg, I'd have a cow corner and a mid on set to the edge of the (imaginary) circle together with a guy just behind square leg, say 10 degrees, and one at shortish midwicket.

The reasoning?  You have seven men to stop you leaking runs but boundary protection for the most likely big shots.  Deep square is probably not so valuable straight off because there will not be many clubbies who can sweep delicately early doors when they have not picked the bowler, and long on gifts the batsman six an over if they sit back and play patiently.
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Rob580 on April 23, 2014, 01:08:30 PM
long on gifts the batsman six an over if they sit back and play patiently.

If the lad's got a Topspinner and a Googly, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for the batsman to be hanging back like that?
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: uknsaunders on April 23, 2014, 01:09:26 PM
I would go:-

Offside - Slip, backward point, cover, extra cover, mid-off - possibly dropping cover or extra back if defending or moving backward point to gully if attacking
Legside - 45 on the one, deep square leg, mid-wicket but maybe in shorter for your googly and mid-on

Push back mid-off/on and deep cover to defend, bring in backward point/midwicket to attack.

Now that assumes it's a right hander doesn't it?

For a leftie:-

Offside - gully, cover, extra cover, mid-off
Legside - leg slip, deep square behind, mid wicket, mid-on

The final man will vary depending on the pace of the deck and the amount of spin. Slow deck, I would put him just in front of square on the legside or wider and drop out mid-wicket. Also applies to bowling around the wicket. If the wicket has more pace and you are bowling googlies over the wicket, probably looking at a point on the off-side for a sliced drive.
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Manormanic on April 23, 2014, 01:15:52 PM
If the lad's got a Topspinner and a Googly, wouldn't be the worst thing in the world for the batsman to be hanging back like that?

Sit back as in relax and not play big shots rather than on the back foot!  Though his having variations strengthens the need to keep mid on up - big shots, especially until the batsman hashis eye in, are likely to go straight up.
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: GarrettJ on April 23, 2014, 01:20:25 PM
standard field, a couple close to the bat (stop the sweep and slip) all the rest on or in the ring.

see what the batsman does to the first 6 balls then change it based on what he can or cant do
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: billyb on April 23, 2014, 01:23:13 PM
Definitely going to be wanting a deep cover if inconsistent...
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: FattusCattus on April 23, 2014, 02:08:02 PM
these are some very defensive fields!!

In the barn last night we had in our imaginary field placings

slip
gully
point/deep point
cover
extra cover (left midoff because the bowler was ripping it!)

then
mid on  (on 1)
mid wicket
Cheap seats (cow)
square leg behind square.

so a 5-4 offside field.
If it isn't turning so much you can have gully on one and put point on the fence.

If you have two on the legside fence then either the bowler is bowling too many pies or you have a batsman who is playing everything across the line and wont last long.

Putting four guys on the fence has been suggested isn't an approach I would want to go for - unless that is the state of the game - i.e. the batsmen are on the moo

I think I had 2 cows didn't I?
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Buzz on April 23, 2014, 02:12:16 PM
You had two players ready for the Brucie broom shot yes... but you also had no point!!

Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Jaffa on April 23, 2014, 02:34:28 PM
And the reason why the batsman has just skied it is normally because he has played across the ball and has mistimed it. Meaning that easy looking catch is coming to them with a large degree of spin. 

I think about ten times last season I had 'yes!!!! , oh.... ' from normally dependable catchers.
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Jaffa on April 23, 2014, 02:39:17 PM
And I think it also depends on how much bounce there is in the wicket. It your stock leg-break is bouncing high and wide of the off-stump, it's time for a re-think.
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Colesy on April 23, 2014, 02:56:44 PM
Depends how well I was bowling but if it's coming out nice I have:

2nd slip
Gully
Deep cover point
Short cover - catching
Long off
Mid on
Mid wicket
Deep square
Short fine leg


The thinking is I turn it a bit so I want the batsman driving outside off so I want him to look for the 1 to long off/cover point and get an edge or spoon it to cover. I have a wrong 'un as well so this also helps with the batsman driving. Deep square is out in case I drag one down but I want to take wickets and let the batsman take me on so this is a field I like to go with if I'm confident.
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: 134D 13OY on April 23, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
I always struggle when it come to left handers as normally ball don't spin when it damp pitches and I try top spin or flight, Any suggestions on field placing against Agressive batsman
Title: Re: Setting a Field for a Leg Spinner
Post by: Blazer on April 23, 2014, 03:57:04 PM
I remember an interview from Swann where he advised spinners start off with a fielder in the cow corner as a protection.When your confidence,flight,turn and correct pace for the pitch is found, you can bring that fielder in dependent on the batsman. Other things to consider is your line of attack dependent on the spin, obviously you would want to entice the batsman to play against the spin and hence put fielders accordingly. Having a staggered field set rather than fielders in line with each other can help to confuse and hesitate singles. I hope this makes sense.