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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Steveo1000 on May 05, 2014, 06:31:46 PM
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The last year or so has seen a number of manufacturers re-releasing bats that were used 20 or so years ago. GN Powerspot, GN Scoop and Kookaburra Bubble as examples.
There have also been examples on here of people finding bats they consider as classics tucked away in sheds and garages then sharing pictures on the forum.
So my question is, what are the three bats currently on the market and in use today that you think will be considered as classics in the year 2034? What are the bats that manufactures will re-release, or the original versions of today's bats we will be excited to see in 20 years time when someone finds one?
I'll go for
M&H Amplus
Newbery GT
Kookaburra Kahuna
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GM icon
Mongoose
m and h distinction, in the original shape...
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Kahuna I can see. Really can't see a small brands being remembered, so that counts out M&H etc.
Kahuna for me is the only one from the last few seasons.
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the issue with the kahuna for me is that all the kook shapes looks the same and there won't be a shortage of them...
I think the mid tier brands have done some quality shapes which will stand the test of time.
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the issue with the kahuna for me is that all the kook shapes looks the same and there won't be a shortage of them...
I think the mid tier brands have done some quality shapes which will stand the test of time.
Totally agree i wouldn't call Millichamp and Hall small either interesting people thoughts on what people class as small,medium, or big.
For me B52 will be remembered for one thing
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Kookaburra Kahuna Graphite
Mongoose MMi3, with the red stickers.
Puma Classic
Woodworm Wand
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Salix pod & Salix SLX
GN Legend
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Totally agree i wouldn't call Millichamp and Hall small either interesting people thoughts on what people class as small,medium, or big.
For me B52 will be remembered for one thing
So if we all asked 5 players (random) from every club in the land what brands would easily get the most votes.. The big ones. While we all know about M&H, Salix etc there are a hell of a lot who only know (or are only interested in knowing) the big few brands. Just my opinion, don't expect all to agree as people have favourite brands etc
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I think the reason we love the old retro bats was they were different innovative, the scoop the dynadrive the ridgeback,
Are bats today pushing those boundaries which the retro ranges so good originally
But for 3 bats from today I would pick
Kook ricochet like it more than the kahuna
Gray Nicholls x181 like the pick up and feel
Hell4leather NV just because
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Personally I would class M&H as a fairly big brand more or less up there with the rest but I guess it all comes down to how many of them you see in your own games/own team or local area.
GN Nemesis is one that if it does well I could see being a classic due to its unique design.
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So if we all asked 5 players (random) from every club in the land what brands would easily get the most votes.. The big ones. While we all know about M&H, Salix etc there are a hell of a lot who only know (or are only interested in knowing) the big few brands. Just my opinion, don't expect all to agree as people have favourite brands etc
Adrian there not my favorite brand not by a long shot matey.
No i would say this there not a club in the land where not 1 player has not heard of Millichamp and Hall.
Not saying all clubs have one in them but people have heard of them all over the UK.
What do people define as a small brand selling under a figure??
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Adrian there not my favorite brand not by a long shot matey.
No i would say this there not a club in the land where not 1 player has not heard of Millichamp and Hall.
Didn't say not heard, but would they pick a M&H out above a kook, GN,GM etc. As I said, just my personal opinion. Each to their own.
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Difficult to guess a figure really with nothing to base it on. I wouldn't have a clue where to start with a guess at M&H's rough yearly bat sales.
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The Spartan MC L.E has got the potential to be a classic, it seems to be a popular profile shape.
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I think it will be innovative shapes (so woodworm and mongoose are good shouts) or else it will be bats associated with certain players (so Kahuna is a good shout)
Thing is, these days the designs don't seem to have the same longevity as back in the day. Manufacturers seem to chop and change their bat names and graphics a lot more frequently
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I think 3 which stand out for me are
1) Aldred Velocity. A great twist on the traditional shape. Long middle.
2) GN Power bow Gen X. The graphics are migraine inducing, the but the low middle and balance are first class.
3) M&H Amplus.
The recent multiple releases of branding from yesteryear has been a touch disappointing. I don't have fond memories of the Bubble (in fact I've always thought it a rather daft name) or Purist to name but two.
Still, if in doubt, head for the repeat button.
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GN seem to be the leaders in bringing back retro bats, I assume because of the fact that they use/used the most innovative designs and therefore makes it easier if its iconic. Surely they've taken the wood out of as many areas of the bat as possible by now :D.
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Twenty years is a long time, who's to say we won't see companies relaunched?
would love to see a 'proper' Duncan Fearnley magnum, which has to be an all time classic. Agree the Kahuna range will be fondly remembered and talked about to future generations...
my final choice would be the gray nics oblivion. May become truly iconic if Cook's career meets expectation and he sticks with one range, a la Ponting, de Villiers, etc.
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In my opinion - Not necessarily because of shape, but because of branding too;
1. Mongoose MMi3
2. Newbery Mjolnir
3. GN Oblivion
4. Kookaburra Kahuna
5. MRF Genius
Willl be interesting to see!
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A few that I think will have the potential to become classics in the future:
GM Icon
GM Six6
GN Powerbow
GN Oblivion
Kook Kahuna
Adidas ST Master Blaster
MRF Genius
BAS Vampire
I also wanted I say GN Powerspot, GN Dynadrive and Slazenger V12, but they already are in a previous incarnation.
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If you look at the retro bats with the most appeal, they nearly all fall into one of two categories. Innovative, unusual shape/features (often associated with being used by a class player): GM Diamond, GN Scoops and Derivatives, HC Reflex, Slazenger V12 and Derivatives; or they are associated with a number of players: GM Maestro, Slazenger V100 and 500, DF Magnum, Attack and 405.
Based on this, you are looking at the likes of the MMi3, Purist and Kahuna which all have had wide exposure (which is key to fall into this category) and popular users. I struggle to name anything else that would really fall into either of those categories. Certainly nothing from the likes of M&H or the smaller brands does. The jury is out on the Nemesis and Vortex. Both need to be seen to be being used by popular players.
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Looking for any GN Ultimate from 1994-2000
with good grains and ping will pay good $ to post to Tasmania..
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Out of the modern bats I would say that the following are Modern Classics;
GM Icon
Kooka Kahuna
GN Powerbow
Adidas Master Blaster
Mongoose T20
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Some I would consider from the last 5-10 years that will be considered as classics in future years. I'm basing it on both shapes and good players who used them.
GM Purist
GM Maxi
Kookaburra Ridgeback
Kookaburra Kahuna
Woodworm Wand
Mongoose
GN Longbow
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GM Icon
Puma Ballistic
SS TON, or at least the stamp, is a minimalist design classic.
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I'm thinking the Icon may have a bit of the Maestro about it. Of those I've seen on here that people have listed, I'm not sure that many (Kahuna aside) have the cachet required to make them classics. I can see how the ST master blaster might make it....
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Gray nicolls powerbow for sure, due to it being around for a few years, I also think the oblivion will be around for a few more years so should make it.
Newbery C6 bats, and finally I think the kookaburra kahuna due to it being around for a few years also...it would be nice if they released a limited run of the 2005 profile as an ashes run or something - the profile was pretty full and wasn't concaved to hell back then!
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kookaburra kahuna
gn oblivion
gm icon
i think these 3 will be the classics of the future, from big companys who will still be running in 20 years time!!
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Kookaburra Kahuna Icon graphite back
GN T20 double sided dooverlacky
GN Phoenix :D
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If you based it on longevity then icon, powerbow, mjolnir and kahuna. That said I don't think the kahuna is that special and would put the solution in as a unique bat or possibly the distinction.
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If you based it on longevity then icon, powerbow, mjolnir and kahuna. That said I don't think the kahuna is that special and would put the solution in as a unique bat or possibly the distinction.
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Really? I would say it is one of the most iconic bats of this era, simply because of Ponting. Surely the Powerspot wasn't really anything special too, but the fact that it was used by Gower (I think) makes it special? A bat used by one of the best batsmen is bound to be pretty special.
That being said, I think I see where.youre coming from, because it doesn't have anything that makes it a really groundbreaking profile or unique stickers, which both the Dynadrive and Scoop have. Probably Kookaburra's fault for making the stickers a green version of the standard design, rather than something unique like the Genesis and Beast.
For me, the bats which will probably be modern classics:
Kookaburra - Genesis, Beast and Kahuna
Gray Nicolls - Oblivion, Powerbow, and Phoenix
Woodworm - Torch, Wand and Flame
GM - Icon and Six6
Newbery - GT 335, Tour and Mjolnir
M&H - Amplus and Distinction
MRF - Genius (Already done) and Wizard
Adidas - Master Blaster
Spartan - MC
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I can't see any spartan bats getting this status as te stickers change too often.
Can see the NB Achieve possibly making it one day though.
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For me, the bats which will probably be modern classics:
Kookaburra - Genesis, Beast Only if these two have Graphite backs - otherwise they are run of the mill shapes and Kahuna
Gray Nicolls - Oblivion, Powerbow, and Phoenix I'm not sure about the Phoenix. I don't think it's had either the exposure of a particular player or looks particularly special. I think the original Powerbow is already gaining that status based on the eBay prices. As for the oblivion - it's much of a muchness with many other bats and really needs Cook to break records with it.
Woodworm - Torch, Wand and Flame Not sure about any of these. I have a strong suspicion that these are really a flash in the pan.
GM - Icon and Six6 Icon - Yes. Six6 - who uses it, and why? Based on shape and use, I'd have thought the Argon or Octane would manage better.
Newbery - GT 335, Tour and Mjolnir The Mjolnir has been around in some shape of form for ten years. It's a classic shape, but I don't think it's something that the cognoscenti will lust after, unlike the Excalibur. The tour has a much better chance of this.
M&H - Amplus and Distinction I think the original Distinction is already achieving this. I'm less sure whether either the Amplus or New Distinction will get there, simply due to the wider level of recognition that M&H receives.
MRF - Genius (Already done) and Wizard
Adidas - Master Blaster
Spartan - MC I just can't see this happening....! :o
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Can see the NB Achieve possibly making it one day though.
For being some of the worst looking stickers possible? :D
Really not a fan haha
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Pot kettle black ^^^^
Kahuna, oblilvion for me for deffo.
I believe the six6 will too. Its too soon to have major recognition. But i have one and its a great bat in feel, and looks. The colour combo works well.
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what are the really original shapes though - in the past it has been a combination of the shapes as well as branding which makes the difference - and some of the GN bats and the Kook bats fail because the shapes are all so similar. In my view.
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Pot kettle black ^^^^
Any need? I'm sure I can find a fair few people that would disagree...
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Malik Sher
The problem with the Kahuna is that it's changed shape every year.
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For being some of the worst looking stickers possible? :D
Really not a fan haha
I was thinking more the anount of player now using them, they're gaining in popularity (an look alright in the flesh)
Could be your suggestion though...
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My predictions are purely based on either shape, stickers or who uses/used it. They could possibly just have a stickered version of the Beast and Genesis, (I'd seriously consider buying them) but I agree with the Spartan, that's only really a maybe. (If Spartan were to make one) To be honest, I would remember Clarke's Slazenger better than his Spartan, simply because the stickers seem to keep changing... :-[ Six6 is because of the stickers, and based on the assumption that Root will properly make a name for himself in the next 2 seasons. Bound to be better ones coming out in the near future mind you, but I just feel that of the current/recent crop of bats, these seem more likely than others. :)
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what are the really original shapes though - in the past it has been a combination of the shapes as well as branding which makes the difference - and some of the GN bats and the Kook bats fail because the shapes are all so similar. In my view.
I think if you look at the bats considered classics now, you'd have a few levels:
Top Tier
GN 500
GN 100/Scoop 2000
GN Dynadrive
GN Powerspot
GM Maestro
Slazenger V12/V1200
Kookaburra Ridgeback
Symonds Tusker
St Peter
Newbery Excalibur
DF Magnum
DF 405
DF Attack
Second Tier
Slazenger V800 (Catseye)
GM Diamond
HC Reflex
GN Elite
GN Ultimate
GN Megapower/Sabre
Look at why these get the prices they do and you'll be onto a winner. For most it is the unusualness of them, with cutouts, variations, etc. Some are clearly user based. As Buzz says, far too many of what is now on the market all appear to be the same. It will be the ones that are either used by world beaters or do something slightly different that will gain the Kudos and nostalgia value.
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@Tim.
Your list is well considered.
There are a number there which broke the norm.
The Maestro, the first contoured edge (I had one and loved it)
GN have been scooping their mids more than a hair rock band, and to great effect.
A classic is surely something which broke the mold and still makes sense.
If they bought out another Maestro shape (and not some rubbish take on it), I'd get one. Surely that's also a criteria.
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I think it would be great to see the re-introduction of the maestro. Was my first bat too and loved it.
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Look at why these get the prices they do and you'll be onto a winner. For most it is the unusualness of them, with cutouts, variations, etc. Some are clearly user based.
Exactly why woodworm will make it!
Funky edges
The torch - that 158 to bring the ashes home
The flame - Freddie factor
The wand - where it all started
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Exactly why woodworm will make it!
Funky edges
The torch - that 158 to bring the ashes home
The flame - Freddie factor
The wand - where it all started
Until you posted this, I had no idea that KP was using a Torch. I also think it was too early on for KP. Far more people would be able to tell you about his Adidas bats than his Woodworm. I'd have been able to tell you that Vaughan was using a Purist though....
The freddie factor probably influences pedalo sales more than people remembering his bat!
Woodworm will be remembered for going bust and not introducing anything special, their products weren't around for long enough to garner the love of an adoring public, nor used by enough batsmen to be watched regularly, and I think longevity plays a part too. The Maestro was around for 10-12 years, for example.
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3 current bats i reckon might have a chance of being re-produced later
Gray Nicolls E41
M & H Distinction Mk1
G&M Icon
Possibly Kookaburra Kahunna,but purely for the name and graphics as it shape has changed alot over its lifespan.
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I think if you look at the bats considered classics now, you'd have a few levels:
Top Tier
GN 500
GN 100/Scoop 2000
GN Dynadrive
GN Powerspot
GM Maestro
Slazenger V12/V1200
Kookaburra Ridgeback
Symonds Tusker
St Peter
Newbery Excalibur
DF Magnum
DF 405
DF Attack
Second Tier
Slazenger V800 (Catseye)
GM Diamond
HC Reflex
GN Elite
GN Ultimate
GN Megapower/Sabre
Look at why these get the prices they do and you'll be onto a winner. For most it is the unusualness of them, with cutouts, variations, etc. Some are clearly user based. As Buzz says, far too many of what is now on the market all appear to be the same. It will be the ones that are either used by world beaters or do something slightly different that will gain the Kudos and nostalgia value.
I think I'd add the original SS Jumbo to that list - very popular in their day
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I think I'd add the original SS Jumbo to that list - very popular in their day
Oops forgot that and the Turbo, which got it's recognition from the 333.
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There were some that were regionally popular back in the day - pre DF and SS, Quaife and Lilley were popular in the west mids. You can see what one looked like here if you are quick.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quaife-And-Lilley-Cricket-Bat-/251375953570?nma=true&si=Q8es%252BC53uqkk7IiXqJ6pCFLjmto%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Quaife-And-Lilley-Cricket-Bat-/251375953570?nma=true&si=Q8es%252BC53uqkk7IiXqJ6pCFLjmto%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)