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Title: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: fros23 on July 30, 2014, 01:55:38 PM
One of the all time greats and arguably the best player of the decade has retired from international cricket.

Over 25000 international runs, 577 wickets and 338 catches makes King Kallis without doubt a true great of the game.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: bruggers100 on July 30, 2014, 02:05:42 PM
Jacques, absolute 'Living Legend'. 

I never used to care too much about players retiring.  However, the likes of Warne, McGrath, Gilchrist, Ponting, Tendulkar, and now Kallis to name but a few have really hit me in recent years.

I must be getting old !!

Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: FvanN on July 30, 2014, 02:16:45 PM
 :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: jwebber86 on July 30, 2014, 07:00:32 PM
i think what he achieved is phenomenal his stats are some of the best ever. would walk into any test side ever i would say he is the best all rounder ever
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: AverageCricketer on July 30, 2014, 09:50:09 PM
Most underrated player ever! Has not got close to near enough credit, quite possibly the best all rounder ever.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: joeljonno on July 30, 2014, 10:14:34 PM
Just waiting for someone to say that his test match bowling can't be classed as 'World Class' because (and I quote) 'it is above 30 and that cannot be World Class'.

His batting's ok though. 
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: AverageCricketer on July 30, 2014, 10:25:47 PM
Stats would say he is not a world class test bowler, 292 @ 32.65
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: Jenko on July 31, 2014, 03:00:19 AM
Even Jimmy's average is better and he is a home town bully :P

Jokes aside, great cricketer, sad to see whenever such a talent calls it quits.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: tim2000s on July 31, 2014, 06:18:18 AM
I think the stats tell you what you need to know.

45 test centuries - second only to tendulkar.
Third on the all time list of test run scorers - behind.... Tendulkar and Ponting
Better average than Tendulkar, Ponting, Lara and Dravid
Better bowling average than Sobers

A quite astonishing player!
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: FvanN on July 31, 2014, 06:31:08 AM
With out a doubt the best all rounder to have ever graced the game of cricket.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: cesare_in on July 31, 2014, 12:32:07 PM
Amazed Kallis was so underrated IMO. Probably a better bet than lots of other greats and could have walked into any international team on batting / bowling merit alone!!

Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: Giraffe208 on July 31, 2014, 12:37:00 PM
Amazed Kallis was so underrated IMO.

Was he underrated? I didn't think anyone thought he wasn't an absolute world class performer? Having someone that good batting at 3 that gave you a bowling option capable of being a front-line seamer and a fantastic pair of hands too.

Potentially the best "cricketer" to have played the game?
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: TangoWhiskey on July 31, 2014, 12:41:29 PM
Was he underrated? I didn't think anyone thought he wasn't an absolute world class performer? Having someone that good batting at 3 that gave you a bowling option capable of being a front-line seamer and a fantastic pair of hands too.

Potentially the best "cricketer" to have played the game?

Easily in my opinion.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: tim2000s on July 31, 2014, 12:48:19 PM
I think un-celebrated is a better term than under-rated. Everyone associated and watching world cricket knew how good he was!
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: cesare_in on August 03, 2014, 01:33:28 AM
Yea.. "un-celebrated" is probably a better term.

Look at how the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid are treated here in India. I was talking in that context.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: kal_m on August 03, 2014, 03:24:02 AM
A world class player indeed.And he is unfortunate to not have any major ICC trophies.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: petehosk on August 03, 2014, 08:50:37 AM
He was a superb bowler but his batting was absolutely brilliant!
I loved the way he managed to stay so focused on his batting, even if his teammates were losing their wickets! He never seemed to panic and seemed to value his wicket highly!
But lets not forget that his catching was also brilliant!
In my book, we have now seen the greatest all-rounder retire from cricket!
Yes, people will quote Sobers, Botham, etc as World Class, and these guys were!
And I know that stats don't always tell the whole story, but Kallis is without doubt, the greatest all-rounder to have ever played!
My heart really goes out to SA, as he will be impossible to replace!!
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: procricket on August 03, 2014, 09:00:22 AM
He was 2 cricketers in one

When for a top class bowler and always a top class batsman as a all rounder not many have in the history come close.

Unfortunately because he just got on with it will he be remembered by the bigger community as the best ever not sure but what a player a role
Model.

Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: Gerry SA on August 03, 2014, 09:49:28 AM
A world class player indeed.And he is unfortunate to not have any major ICC trophies.
We won the 1998 ICC Knock Out, which in the modern day is called the ICC Champions Trophy.

Kallis was man of the match in the final.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: Gerry SA on August 03, 2014, 09:52:29 AM
King Kallis an absolute legend. Could bat for ever without getting bored. Magnificent slip fielder. And not to shabby with the ball.

As for Kallis' bowling average, in his younger days he was rapid 90mph with an average under 30. In the last 6/7 years bowling became more a holding job.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: procricket on August 03, 2014, 09:55:08 AM
King Kallis an absolute legend. Could bat for ever without getting bored. Magnificent slip fielder. And not to shabby with the ball.

As for Kallis' bowling average, in his younger days he was rapid 90mph with an average under 30. In the last 6/7 years bowling became more a holding job.

But will he be remembered like Sobers Botham even with his stats   
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: Gerry SA on August 03, 2014, 09:59:15 AM
But will he be remembered like Sobers Botham even with his stats
Sorry Botham? You having a laugh? Imran was better than Botham...

Sir Gary or King Kallis. That's all in this debate.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: procricket on August 03, 2014, 10:10:33 AM
Sorry Botham? You having a laugh? Imran was better than Botham...

Sir Gary or King Kallis. That's all in this debate.

Hey not saying who is better but Botham is known as a legend and kids even today know who he is all over the world and yes I have been all over the world.

I said remembered not quality pal think Kallis is brilliant. But will he be remembered by non stats based cricket nerds I doubt it.

 :(
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: Gerry SA on August 03, 2014, 10:16:08 AM
Hey not saying who is better but Botham is known as a legend and kids even today know who he is all over the world and yes I have been all over the world.

I said remembered not quality pal think Kallis is brilliant. But will he be remembered by non stats based cricket nerds I doubt it.

 :(
Well South Africans don't get the same media attention as Australians, English, Indian or West Indian players.

But that's life...

Anyone who saw Kallis will remember what he brought to the table.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: procricket on August 03, 2014, 10:24:42 AM
Well South Africans don't get the same media attention as Australians, English, Indian or West Indian players.

But that's life...

Anyone who saw Kallis will remember what he brought to the table.

Paul Adams did so did my personal favourite and top bloke Farnie
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: Gerry SA on August 03, 2014, 10:35:54 AM
Paul Adams did so did my personal favourite and top bloke Farnie
Paul Adams was aided by the most magnificent bowling action Test cricket's ever seen!  :D

FdV was top bloke.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: Number4 on August 03, 2014, 11:40:14 AM
Hansie got plenty as well
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: Slackie on August 04, 2014, 07:55:29 PM
It must also be noted that the way he went about his cricket was in a way to be admired, he was never one to upset a team or umpires, he's a very good role model for any cricketer at any level.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: forester123 on August 12, 2014, 09:17:57 AM
Statistically he has to be one of the best players of all time but he didnt have the personality or charisma as the likes of Warne, botham, lara. Thats why he wont be remembered as much as others. Great player but pretty boring to be honest.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: Stuey on August 12, 2014, 09:39:04 AM
Statistically he has to be one of the best players of all time but he didnt have the personality or charisma as the likes of Warne, botham, lara. Thats why he wont be remembered as much as others. Great player but pretty boring to be honest.
I can't recall Lara having much charisma. It takes all sorts, Kallis always struck me as someone who was happy within himself, just got on with his game, pretty much a captains dream. 
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: ioand1988 on August 12, 2014, 10:09:49 AM
One of the few players who could win his team the game as a batsman or as a bowler. He will leave a big hole to fill in the South African team.
Title: Re: Jacques Kallis Retires
Post by: sfa82 on August 12, 2014, 10:13:38 AM
Great player but pretty boring to be honest.

I'd have the 'pretty boring' Kallis in my team any day and so would many others I presume. I don't understand how he can be descricbed as boring if you have watch him play in different situations throughout his careers. Always seemed to do what was needed of him by the team. Impossible to replace him currently.