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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: tommo256 on August 17, 2014, 08:11:03 PM
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Evening,
I have been struggling with my field placements for my off spin bowling, I seem to find that the batsmen are able to nurdle it around for an easy 1 every ball with the field I have.
Because I bowl around the wicket, I have a very leg side heavy field. I normally try to bowl on middle or middle and leg to play for my field.
Any advice please
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As an off spinner and a vice captain I set my own fields
Do you spin the ball a lot?
Do you flight or more flat?
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and an idea of your 'standard' field?
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And making sure your field is 'actually' on the one.
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I've just started bowling it sort of three weeks ago, I bowl flight quite a bit.
Usually have deep square, deep cow, deep mid on, mid wicket, fine leg 45 an on the one, mid off, cover, point just behind, slip.
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Do you spin it?
If i come round wicket I have
Mid off-cover-point on off side
Man on 45- deep cow-deep mid on-mid wicket-deep square leg/mid on-square leg
I can tie a lot of batsmen up with that
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I've just started bowling it sort of three weeks ago, I bowl flight quite a bit.
Usually have deep square, deep cow, deep mid on, mid wicket, fine leg 45 an on the one, mid off, cover, point just behind, slip.
Mate, as a spinner myself, I would struggle to contain singles with that field - I also bowl fairly flat and have enough variations to keep a good batsman guessing.
I have a few questions;
What are you trying to achieve bowling around the wicket?
Have you set that field to take wickets? Contain? Or to protect against bad balls?
What is your role as a spinner? Attacking? Defensive?
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I bowl over the wicket and aim for about 3 off stumps. My field is backward point, cover, extra cover, mid off (Long if he's any good), Long on, deep cow, Mid wicket, Deep square, short fine leg. I find the batsman tries to milk me for singles down through long on but if I bowl well outside off stump then they usually only get a couple of singles down the ground. The leg side is taken care of in terms of boundaries. Bowl a bit quicker so they can't use their feet every ball. Only a very good batsman can take you for 6 singles down the ground, and if they're that good Id be happy with singles.
Good luck
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Depending on the level you play at, I'd recommend keeping deep square in.
Certainly most batsmen do not have the ability to sweep consistently well, unless they are well in etc. This gives you an extra man in on the one that you can place as you wish.
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I've just started bowling it sort of three weeks ago, I bowl flight quite a bit.
Usually have deep square, deep cow, deep mid on, mid wicket, fine leg 45 an on the one, mid off, cover, point just behind, slip.
do you need that many people in legside on the boundary though? cow and deep midwicket on can be covered by one man and bring a man on one ?
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I bowl right arm over and my field on a Saturday has now become:
Mid on, mid off, man between cover and extra cover, point, slip (goes into cover and extra round if not needed), man on the 45, short leg, deep square leg and mid wicket catching.
Sometimes have a man sweeping at fly slip/short third depending on the deck.
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A few things I reckon from my experience of bowling and facing spin in club cricket.
Are you off-side fielders close enough in?
All to often in club cricket I see off-side fielders stood on the edge of the 30-yard circle to spinners, offers an easy single nearly every single ball.
Do you benefit going around the wicket?
Bowling around the wicket and spinning the ball into the batsmens pads means leg-sided shots are going to be more likely off your bowling, so having 3 men in the deep and only 2 guys saving a single means it's easy pickings just nudging the ball into the open gaps on the leg side along the ground for one/two or even three.
If you came over the wicket and they attempted the same shots, it could bring a leading edge or LBW into play.
Do you need a slip?
With the ball spinning into the right handed batsman, thick outside edges aren't too frequent. The only time the batsman may get a thicker edge is if they play down the wrong line or play for too much spin. I'd prefer to have a man at either short cover or mid wicket saving one. However for a lefty, keep the slip in!
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I am an Off spinner as well and it all depends on what you are trying to do.
I am an attacking spinner and prefer to start aggressive and then spread the field, all my fields are different depending on the batsmen,
If i can see a guy is batting on off stump to me, obviously im going o be more offside dominant as he is trying to work the ball to leg,
Also depends on game situations and formats, i tend to bowl round the wicket in short formats and over the wicket in long formats, again all different scenarios with set batsmen and state of the game.
Standard field tho around the wicket would be
slip, backward point, cover ,Mid off
MID ON, Deep mid wicket, backward square on the 1, short midwicket
Last guy i either put in the covers or as an extra leg side sweeper depending on the player and his strengths
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I normally come on to bowl just after the opening bowlers and bowl 10-15 overs on the bump, so it starts fairly attacking I would say and then goes defensive if the run rate is increasing or such.
I bowl round the wicket for the change of angle, i don't turn it overly much but I get quite a lot of bounce.
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I normally come on to bowl just after the opening bowlers and bowl 10-15 overs on the bump, so it starts fairly attacking I would say and then goes defensive if the run rate is increasing or such.
I bowl round the wicket for the change of angle, i don't turn it overly much but I get quite a lot of bounce.
if you dont turn itmuch possibly around the wicket isnt the way to go as you arent likely to get an LBW as you wont straighten the ball enough but then you say you get bounce so could get a lot out of having a leg slip and short leg and hope the ball really bounces and catches a glove or a cheeky bat-pad
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The other reason I have a leg side, is the standard I play the batsmen tend tp be more of the agricultural variety, not so much classy stroke makers!
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Depending on the situation when I'm bowling (batsmen usually blocking out for a losing draw is when I tend to bring myself on) I have a slip, point, short cover, extra cover, mid off, mid-on, short mid wicket, square leg and 45 on the 1.
If the batsman is attacking, I push mid on about half way back, move short cover into the ring and short mid-wicket out to cow. If he really starts to go after me, I take myself off! Will also put out a cover sweeper too
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A tactic I use from time to time is to leave the cover area empty and get the batsman thinking about driving the ball against the spin. Doesn't always work but every now and then provides a crucial breakthrough.
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I spin the ball a lot so around the wicket works for me as I get a fair few through the gate
if you don't spin it much you are basically giving the batsmen a free hit from round the wicket as LBW is out of the question and bowled is unlikely
from the sound of your bowling and fields you have been watching people like tredwell on tv who use that tactic with that kind of filed but pro's and amateurs think differently about playing spin so take what you see with a pinch of salt as they don't mind conceding 5/6 runs an over as scores are usually higher than that by the end but at amateur level that run rate can prove difficult
try coming over the wicket and bowling on off stump and perhaps without the slip as if they are playing across line from that angle not spinning the ball you have more options with them missing it for LBW or bowled
plus think about the pace you bowl, bowl flight but subtle changes of pace can beat them if they are slogging. I'm not talking 30mph to 90mph but 40mph to 45mph can make a huge difference