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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: The Palmist on September 08, 2014, 08:59:49 AM
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Any one knows why he received some boos?
I can't recall any Jadeja-Anderson kind of incident involving him.
Hope it was nothing to do with race, religion, color etc.
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Suspect his political stance may sadly have something to do with it?
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Unfortunately it is being reported as the latter.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/story/778919.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/story/778919.html)
Disgraceful.
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Would I be right in saying he's of pakistani descent? If so, there's your reason. Similar to Bopara getting called a traitor the other year by british born indian fans during the champions trophy...
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called a traitor the other year by british born indian fans during the champions trophy...
The irony in that is unbelievable!
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The irony in that is unbelievable!
one of the problems with this country really!
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From what was being said on twitter (always full of rubbish) it sounded like the born and bred British Indian supporters in the crowd decided that Ali was Pakistani not British. I kind of get the supporting India bit, but I'm disappointed when somebody roots for the oppo over the country of their birth, but booing a fellow British citizen is off.
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ali was born here of pakistani decent. that's the reason for the booing
I was at the oval one dayer on the last tour with my mate who is an Indian supporter
the abuse samit patel and ravi bops received was digraceful. they should of been thrown out(and some were)
ravi and samit were being abused because they play for england,both were born here
the indian fans are an embarrasment to cricket
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ravi and samit were being abused because they play for england,both were born here
the indian fans are an embarrasment to cricket
I'd like to know how many of the Indian fans in the crowd over the summer have actually been born and raised British - I'm sure it's quite a high percentage.
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Would I be right in saying he's of pakistani descent? If so, there's your reason. Similar to Bopara getting called a traitor the other year by british born indian fans during the champions trophy...
They're such hypocrites because if their wasn't any british born asians playing for England they would be the first to complain.
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Being Indian and a die hard India Supporter, I am absolutely disgusted by this. I still hope there was some jest in it and that the fans did not realise the scale of their banter. I wouldn’t go as far as calling Indian fans pathetic and hypocritical. They are a rather simple and emotional bunch who are yet to learn political correctness. I am sure people wouldn’t even remember their actions as they walked out. They have yet to learn that some banter can have lasting implications.
England won and Moen had the last laugh.
By all means boo Anderson and Jadeja but Moen has done nothing to deserve that. Hopefully this will only help him become a stronger person.
Bopara has spent time in IPL and was treated alright I believe.
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I've experienced something similar amongst the crowd at the Oval. We were sat behind a large group of Indian supporters at an England v India ODI, and one of their group kept standing up, at which point the people in the group behind him started shouting "Sit down you F...... P...". I'll leave you to fill in the blanks. If that had been a white English male, the police in the section would have been straight over and taking you outside on a charge of racist abuse, but because they were Indian, nothing was done as it's apparently okay...
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Would I be right in saying he's of pakistani descent? If so, there's your reason. Similar to Bopara getting called a traitor the other year by british born indian fans during the champions trophy...
You could be right but it has to be said that the likes of Akram, Raza have spent a lot of time in India and with Indian teams and have been treated with the utmost respect.
It was probably just banter gone a bit dark.
What would have been the appropriate action if any by the stewards?
Surely throwing people out would have made it worse and it was still nothing compared to football.
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If that had been a white English male, the police in the section would have been straight over and taking you outside on a charge of racist abuse, but because they were Indian, nothing was done as it's apparently okay...
It is not apparently okay, quite lame of you to say that. How do you know if a white person would have charged, did you try it? This can go off tangent and I will hate to see that. You just have to look in to recent history and you will know that people have got away with a lot serious racial abuse.
I think Indian fans will have to take some responsibility here and take action [not physical] against their own for the perception to improve.
Moen's alliance should have nothing to do with his origin, just like KP, Khwaza [Aussie], Tahir [SA] etc. He is a good prospect for England along with Bopara and I wish them all the best.
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One way to tackle it is to simply take a camera around the ground and record who is doing what. Just like football, identify the the troublemakers and deal with them. Not difficult to identify who they are as it's allocated seating . They could either throw them out or simply give them a summons later for racist abuse with a nice bit of video of their handywork. At that point the ECB ban them from all first class grounds.
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It is not apparently okay, quite lame of you to say that. How do you know if a white person would have charged, did you try it? This can go off tangent and I will hate to see that. You just have to look in to recent history and you will know that people have got away with a lot serious racial abuse.
I know it is not okay, it was just disturbing to see a lack of any intervention from either stewards or police at repeated use of the language, and is another reflection of poor behaviour, similar to the Boos the other day.
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One way to tackle it is to simply take a camera around the ground and record who is doing what. Just like football, identify the the troublemakers and deal with them. Not difficult to identify who they are as it's allocated seating . They could either throw them out or simply give them a summons later for racist abuse with a nice bit of video of their handywork. At that point the ECB ban them from all first class grounds.
Simple and will be effective, at the very least it will act as a deterrent.
I don't think the Captains or Moen have raised it as an issue yet. Should they?
Can the crowd be done for just booing? And if yes then should they [white and brown] be done for booing Jadeja and Anderson also.
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Don't think you will ever stop them booing but it depends on what else is being said or shouted at the player. A bit of banter is one thing but if its leading to other things then that's a different matter. Certainly no harm in anybody who is persistently booing to be shown the door, Indian or English.
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I was told by a cross person on Twitter that the booing is an issue of humour amongst IndoPak diaspora...
I replied that there can't be any assurance on how an individual may take it, whether it's intended as an in-joke or otherwise.
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I was told by a cross person on Twitter that the booing is an issue of humour amongst IndoPak diaspora...
I am sure it was intended that way. There was a lot of booing, sledging between fans of both teams when I went to watch Ind vs Pak at Edgbaston.
The fact that Bopara, Patel have not openly made any comments or statements about it may suggest, they see it as banter as well.
You are absolutely correct in your reply to the twitter person by the way.
What baffles me is the ignorance, India was not playing Pakistan, Moen Ali is not Pakistani. Ind Vs Pak banter should be left for appropriate games.
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I misread the title and thought he'd been tweeting naughty pictures!
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Was just speaking with another fellow cricketer and apparently it started when he went against ICC rules to wear free gaza wrist band in test match.
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read moen ali's father's interview on sky sports just released and you can see what he thinks about what happened the other day, and why.
Ali was born here, is a Muslim, and plays for England.
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read moen ali's father's interview on sky sports just released and you can see what he thinks about what happened the other day, and why.
Ali was born here, is a Muslim, and plays for England.
I couldn't agree with his Dad more.
for info...interview here http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12040/9461730/moeen-alis-father-munir-hits-back-after-edgbaston-abuse (http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12040/9461730/moeen-alis-father-munir-hits-back-after-edgbaston-abuse)
Must be said that Moen is not the first British Pakistani Muslim to play for England and I can't remember anyone else being booed or may be the news never got media coverage.
Good to see that he focussing on cricket, all the best to him.
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Saj Mahmood got awful stick from the headingley crowd back in 2006, where a large portion of the crowd barracked him and called him a traitor among other things.
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The PCA seem more upset about a few people bagging Alistair Cook's captaincy, then the perceived racial nature of this abuse:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/11085200/England-spinner-Moeen-Ali-should-welcome-booing-says-Professional-Cricketers-Association-chief-Angus-Porter.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/11085200/England-spinner-Moeen-Ali-should-welcome-booing-says-Professional-Cricketers-Association-chief-Angus-Porter.html)
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The PCA seem more upset about a few people bagging Alistair Cook's captaincy, then the perceived racial nature of this abuse:
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/11085200/England-spinner-Moeen-Ali-should-welcome-booing-says-Professional-Cricketers-Association-chief-Angus-Porter.html[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/11085200/England-spinner-Moeen-Ali-should-welcome-booing-says-Professional-Cricketers-Association-chief-Angus-Porter.html[/url])
Seems they are taking the "banter" approach which is just baffling. Respect to Moeen Ali though, could make a meal out of this and has kept his head down
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/779469.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/story/779469.html) PCA backtrack
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/story/779527.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2014/content/story/779527.html) Moeen's thoughts
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Being and an Indian supporter and having been to India games and hanging around these sorts of fans they intend them as jokes but they have no idea when the line is crossed and often take the "banter" wayyy to far.. A lot of the times even to their own players
I mean look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iSPN0TKRPc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iSPN0TKRPc)
The indians realy need to get smarter and learn where that line is..
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Being and an Indian supporter and having been to India games and hanging around these sorts of fans they intend them as jokes but they have no idea when the line is crossed and often take the "banter" wayyy to far.. A lot of the times even to their own players
I mean look at this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iSPN0TKRPc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iSPN0TKRPc)
The indians realy need to get smarter and learn where that line is..
This is extremely disturbing and shocking to see they way they were threatening and abusing lads on other side.
Pathetic.
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I can't understand what is in the video posted but it's interesting to see the rapid backtracking from the PCA after the initial statement.Mooen Ali will not get involved,that's just not his way
End of the day, this sort of thng needs stamping out regardless of which fans it is doing it,I've seen first hand India supporters behaviour at grounds in the UK and it's not banter
In an ideal world cricket brings people together,from all walks of life and varying beliefs,you can only hope we move forward :)
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I've seen first hand India supporters behaviour at grounds in the UK and it's not banter
This is true for a group of Indian supporters not all and the same goes for all fans not just Indians.
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This kind of a behaviour is embarrassing for all supporters of the team/nation. I am a very proud Indian and this reminds me of what is wrong with the country I love so dearly.
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Playing devil's advocate, I will also expect all International Sports Person to stay neutral and represent the sport only when on stage. Their position as an ambassador should not be used to promote any agenda other than the sport or the interests of the team/country they are representing.
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This kind of a behaviour is embarrassing for all supporters of the team/nation. I am a very proud Indian and this reminds me of what is wrong with the country I love so dearly.
Everything these days is made into a big deal.
It was not out of racism that Moeen got booed so I dont understand what the whole drama around it.
Plently of players have got booed. Sachin has been booed in India for his performances in test match.
There is an article from Bharat army on this in espncricinfo yesterday...I suggest people to have a look at it...
Lets compare sports too...isnt boo's common place in football or rugby...how does that reflect on a nation?
From that same yard stick shouldnt we all say that English, Italians are the worst people on the planet with prejudiced opinion about the color of an ant as well...
Just media shabba dabba.. Like Gavaskar usually says..."the crowd has full right to boo but not verbally abuse a player personally,racially discriminate or throw things at a player. They can only do that if they throw money or other valuable things back when a player does well "
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There is an article from Bharat army on this in espncricinfo yesterday...I suggest people to have a look at it...
From said article:
"However, I would be ignorant to say a minority of fans weren't booing purely because he is of Pakistani descent. This should not be condoned in anyway. The reason would stem from the Indo-Pak rivalry in cricket and politics which is a lot more complex and hostile than most people are aware of, although that is no justification and an individual shouldn't be targeted for where they come from regardless of the extent of the rivalry."
They weren't booing Ian Bell, were they? You can't just brush things away because people make a big deal of something that you deem inconsequential. There is nuance, not many are saying all Indian fans are racist. But one overtly racist person in a crowd, demeaning someone of a different creed, is one too many.
Apologies for being a limp wristed liberal.
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They can only do that if they throw money or other valuable things back when a player does well "
got to laugh at this, well said Sunny.
The crowd were just lucky it was Moen Ali and not Inzamam or Javed Miandad.
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I am not saying all of India is like this but don't we all see things that make us sad? I understand people every where in the world behave poorly, just something that makes me feel down is what I was trying to say.