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Companies => Custom companies => B3 Cricket => Topic started by: tim2000s on September 20, 2014, 10:15:08 PM
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Having decided that I wanted a B3 butterfly, I then had to decide on a shape. Having a series 1 Powerbow in SH, I thought I'd ask them to replicate it in a Long Blade.
After exchanges of photos and designs with Streaky and Dave, a design cane back that looked the part, and so it was made up.
This is what I received:
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/temporary_zps3abbd7fd.jpg)
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/temporary_zps70ab989b.jpg)
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/temporary_zps48a80ec1.jpg)
There are a couple more pictures of the toe demonstrating no concaving, but they need editing.
I'd say it is a good facsimile especially when you consider it is just from a picture.
The most impressive thing is the weight and pick up. B3 have retained the powerbow pick up and while it is a long blade, it weighs half an ounce less than the old one while having bigger edges, a similar height spine and a flat face. I can only put that down to a heavier grip on the old one and also a denser cleft.
I think the bat mapping works very well and I'm impressed with what streaky produced. I'll let you know how it performs when I've had a chance to try it!
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I think they've done a cracking job there Tim - got to be happy with that.
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Will they be taking orders for "the Tim" do you know?? :D
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Will they be taking orders for "the Tim" do you know?? :D
But that's what great no matter what shape you have we can BAT MAP the beasts.
It is why the alot of players choose B3 you get exactly what you want and it from pictures we are even getting advance mapping now so we can create when people are ready.
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I'll check the numbering later and stick it in the topic.
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I think this is where b3 really can offer something unique in the market. Once the shape is in their system they can just keep reproducing it too. Great work guys
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That is, B3 can replicate any bat shape if they are provided the profile pictures?
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That is, B3 can replicate any bat shape if they are provided the profile pictures?
That's what Streaky does...
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Yes Bat mapping is available to anybody we can replicate any bat in the weight you want.
How we do this is by volume and by Streaky great keen eye.
I would say this i would try and include a profile and a toe upwards picture to make it really great.
I would say this and another new project Streaky is currently working on are cutting edge we have boundless energy to get it right and as Smokey as i now call him says "Never Stand Still".
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How do I send the profile pictures?
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send a picture to david@b3cricket.com and tell him what bat you want and he will advice what is possible grade wise because of density and so like.
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Thanks, will do that tonight
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Pictures and other details emailed to David as directed. Waiting for response.
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If we were to send a broken bat to you, could you replicate the shape? I have a knackered Xiphos that I loved which I would like to get replicated (obviously without the break!)
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Do the bats feel the same in your hands? Seems unlikely to me...
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Do the bats feel the same in your hands? Seems unlikely to me...
Surprisingly similar, and I put this down to the positioning of the denser butterfly stain, which is quite high on the blade. While the power "bulge" is lower, the positioning of that seems to have created something remarkably close.
Now that may be far more luck that it is judgement, but Streaky is good, so he may have deliberately done it that way.
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Do the bats feel the same in your hands? Seems unlikely to me...
If you match the shape and the weight - they should pick up exactly the same.........
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If you match the shape and the weight - they should pick up exactly the same.........
Really? That's interesting. Will two clefts of the same density, cut to the exact same shape, pick up exactly the same? Wood is a natural product and all that?
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Really? That's interesting. Will two clefts of the same density, cut to the exact same shape, pick up exactly the same? Wood is a natural product and all that?
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^ Two o's. Same shape, different size ;)
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Really? That's interesting. Will two clefts of the same density, cut to the exact same shape, pick up exactly the same? Wood is a natural product and all that?
Wood is natural, but is you take the natural variation out of the equation by matching the densities - the balance will be matched - providing the shape is the same.
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How was the wood density for the older bat determined? Just curious due it it's irregular shape compared to new clefts used for density calculation where they're first cut to same size.
Dipped it in water like Archimedes?
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Yes, I'd be interested to know that too. Wouldn't you have to remove the handle on the old bat first?
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Wood is natural, but is you take the natural variation out of the equation by matching the densities - the balance will be matched - providing the shape is the same.
That assumes density is uniform across a cleft, doesn't it?
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Looks great, glad it turned out well! Got 2 bats to get mapped for future references, hopefully will be able to get the CAD numbers and share them, as they're two of my favourite profiles. :)
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Yes, I'd be interested to know that too. Wouldn't you have to remove the handle on the old bat first?
Weight and volume if you known the volume then weight and then density can be ascertained.
As Smokey unofficial apprentice and right hand badger the things we have calculated are great and a forward step in bat making.
Handles weight can play a factor too in the weight of the bat but BAT MAPPING is a form like no other
You could say get a picture of your players favorite bat and want a replica made....
In the past we talked about weight then density but cleft volume is more important in a shape.
Smokey has taught me very well and anything can be bat mapped but do not expect a 3lb bat to weight 2-7 as somebody asked recently it is theoretically impossible.
Most CnC reverse engineer things we or should i say Smokey is a pioneer and had brought the technology to anybody who wants it be it individual to small brands.
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If you match the shape and the weight - they should pick up exactly the same.........
Possibly - so long as the handles weigh the same - and have the weight distributed the same...
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But that's why we have man handles and can match the handle weight to suit the bat we are putting the handle set in too.
We also weight the grip to make sure this is factored into the equation too.
Volume is the key maybe smokey will speak again tomorrow he explains better than me!!!
My theory is come to the birthday see smokey in action.
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But that's why we have man handles and can match the handle weight to suit the bat we are putting the handle set in too.
We also weight the grip to make sure this is factored into the equation too.
Volume is the key maybe smokey will speak again tomorrow he explains better than me!!!
My theory is come to the birthday see smokey in action.
Can't argue with that attention to detail. Handles are often overlooked IMO and can make a huge difference ;-)
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Grips make a difference to even scuff sheets in the past we have made smaller ones by cutting them down for pro to get the right weight.
Never stand still
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Here are a couple of between pictures of the two bats to see how well B3 did the job.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/04/buqeme5e.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/04/u5uzu2ez.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/04/7y7udypy.jpg)
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Just an idea, but maybe actually stand them next to each other in the same picture for a comparisson shot? ;)
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Doesn't work... You can't get quite the right angle, hence the grid picture.
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Looks good Tim, how does the B3 pick up compared to the Powerbow? I loved the original Powerbow bat had a 5 star that I used for about 3 seasons (this was before I found the forum)
Also if you have used the B3 yet what's the performance like?
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It's got an excellent pick up. I was very pleasantly surprised.
I've not been able to use it in anger yet but using it to bounce a ball off impressed me no end.
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Two months after getting this, it finally got into the nets last night.
I think my verdict on the bat mapping is "good stuff guys". The B3 "powerbow" proved to be a very nice bat. According to the fellow forumites who had to out up with me trying to smash the leather off their bowling, the bat was performing really rather well, and they were impressed. I was too.
The only bad thing wasn't a b3 problem. After rolling the edges on the bath and bashing them for 45 minutes, I mistimed a full blooded swish and connected the edge of the bat with the seam. It has made a bit of a compression crack which needs glueing and a hammer edge face sheet applying. Oh well :(
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Glad to hear the bat went well do you need a help with the edge at all let me know
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Yep sounded good Dave, and he certainly rocketed the ball about (until undone by a sneaky bender!).
BTW a couple of us used the B3 gloves Dave - very good indeed. I suppose it sounds like a strange compliment, but after a while you don't notice you are wearing them at all!
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Two months after getting this, it finally got into the nets last night.
I think my verdict on the bat mapping is "good stuff guys". The B3 "powerbow" proved to be a very nice bat. According to the fellow forumites who had to out up with me trying to smash the leather off their bowling, the bat was performing really rather well, and they were impressed. I was too.
The only bad thing wasn't a b3 problem. After rolling the edges on the bath and bashing them for 45 minutes, I mistimed a full blooded swish and connected the edge of the bat with the seam. It has made a bit of a compression crack which needs glueing and a hammer edge face sheet applying. Oh well :(
what is a "compression" crack??
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what is a "compression" crack??
A crack caused by compression ;)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/606814A6-5AF6-4DA9-B746-3B7C8851ED8D_zpsvbyhjkup.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/606814A6-5AF6-4DA9-B746-3B7C8851ED8D_zpsvbyhjkup.jpg.html)
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looks rather minor - even that requires glueing??
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looks rather minor - even that requires glueing??
For that one I put a bit of glue in, sanded it down after, continued knocking it in then put a scuff sheet on there.
Probably didn't need gluing but I'm a wuss about superficial crack appearing :-[
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Mind's a little bigger than that... Whoops.
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Mind's a little bigger than that... Whoops.
At least your bat has been used, some class A wombat managed that one knocking in their new bat! :-[
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Just thought I would share this image. With our Bat Mapping technology the limits are now endless.
(http://i66.tinypic.com/14nfdds.jpg)
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Just wow!!!
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The tech has been there even get it in weights of certain criteria...
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,!! What's the toe thickness on that Warner? Bat?
That's not gonna last long on the wickets down ere!
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,!! What's the toe thickness on that Warner? Bat?
That's not gonna last long on the wickets down ere!
Not sure who bat it is, but i can guarantee it bigger than you think it because the rest of his bat is big!!
Sure streaky can answer though
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Would love to see the finished product of that Warner bat
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Your cad skills and bat mapping is tremendous streaky.
Your photoshop skills on the other hand........
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You know what I don't think that is actually Warner (but I'm not sure)
Looking at the gloves it may actually be Voges
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Its not Voges, he wears a shrey not a masuri and the orange patches that are nearly hidden on the gloves point to it being Warner.
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I thought it was a saffa and ab .
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You people want to find some girls to talk to!
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You people want to find some girls to talk to!
Shes in switzerland for a few days working, means i can realease the pent up geek :D
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You people want to find some girls to talk to!
She's ironing my flat cap, while I spend her money on eBay
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Who's neutering the whippets?
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Looks a bit like this bat shape ... (http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/IMG_20151207_212521_zps4y7bcsc6.jpg) (http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/IMG_20151207_212521_zps4y7bcsc6.jpg.html)
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The badge is yellow/gold so I don't think it is an Australian player (or at least not a international in that picture)
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Yeah nah its an Australian Player: That's just the Commbank Logo on the test team shirt
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But it's the wrong side is what I'm saying
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But it's the wrong side is what I'm saying
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You do realise the picture has been flipped?
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You do realise the picture has been flipped?
You mean that lid isn't a "irusam"!!!!!!!'
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Oops
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@The Doctor how do you scale the photo, do you use the bat width or length? Or is it a different method?
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Very impressed. The technology side of bat mapping is excellent. Reverse engineering.
Got some photos of a lightsabre i want to use on the way (star wars 7 counting down)
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i have found most bat makers can replicate a bat easy enough but the problem often comes in the "feel" as in the handle as that for me plays a huge part in the overall pickup. tweaking of the handle is key but yes obviously being similar shape and weight is a must starting point
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i have found most bat makers can replicate a bat easy enough but the problem often comes in the "feel" as in the handle as that for me plays a huge part in the overall pickup. tweaking of the handle is key but yes obviously being similar shape and weight is a must starting point
Agree with this however most can't tell you the finished weight in the same size as the map....
Of course handle plays a massive part in pick up I can personal tell you handle weight can vary as much as over 2oz.
I tend to go for a heavy handle as I say get the weight in the hands.
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Yes agree like a heavier handle as adds weight to the bat but not bad for feel. Yes most cannot give exact weight but a rough guess. Nice to know exact weight but then recent years i have finally learnt weight plays little part its more about the pickup and bat feeling good as oppose to dead weight . I do like idea of companies replicating shapes better nowadays now though as more people seem to be keen on getting old favourites copied etc
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Looks a bit like this bat shape ... ([url]http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/IMG_20151207_212521_zps4y7bcsc6.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s895.photobucket.com/user/buzzrockport/media/IMG_20151207_212521_zps4y7bcsc6.jpg.html[/url])
@Buzz who stick is this, Matthew wade’s by any chance? Tempted to get one made up
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Not a clue, this was some time ago!