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General Cricket => World Cricket => West Indies => Topic started by: tim2000s on October 17, 2014, 07:22:48 PM
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Just seen the news that a dispute between the players and the board has resulted in them quitting the tour of India before the ODI series is complete and without any tests. Bad for cricket globally methinks. What is the WICB up to?
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Sri Lanka to the rescue with 5 ODI's.
Cricket shoots itsself in the foot really. Not the FTP is being changed and relies on bi-lateral agreements i doubt we'll see India in the WI and vice versa for a while now.
Real shame is that 3 (i think) tests and a t20 is replaced by 5 ODI's. I know it was last minute but a real kick in the teeth for test cricket
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Wonder if the BBCI will also take a dimmer view on WI players in the IPL too.
I saw Ramdin put on twitter an email with the players offer. Test match appearances were going up from $5k to $5.75k. Assume thats lower than other big countries but the WICB will have even less cash now they've upset India
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Just to clarify, Tim, it's a dispute between the players and WIPA (the body who represents the players). Apparently the president of WIPA, Wavel Hinds, negoetiated a new collective bargaining agreement and MOU with WICB and the players are objecting to it. Think the new agreement calls for a pay cut and Hinds agreed to it. Players are asking for the WICB to intervine but WICB says they can only negoetiate with WIPA (a precedent set down by WIPA several years ago), and as a result the tour was cancelled. Basically the players are saying at their AGM, agreed to certain conditions but WIPA agreed to others with the WICB.
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Can West Indies cricket become even more of an embarrassment? To have the relationship between the board and players get to this point is staggering to say the least. How could it have come to this? Have the players no pride in representing their region anymore ? Could this not have been ironed out once the tour was over? Why couldn't the board have made some kind of compromise to get this issue at least on hold until the tour was done?
The repercussions of this will be felt for years to come. I mean, God if there is anyone in cricket you didn't want to p1ss off right now it's the BCCI. I can't see the West Indies playing anyone apart from New Zealand and Bangladesh for years to come. Not to mention that New Zealand is streets ahead us in my opinion.
What's the point of West Indies circlet in 2014 anyway? Bunch of mercenaries who can only concentrate long enough to play t20 cricket. Embarrassing! Haven't won a test series against one of the leading nations in what 10 years? Maybe it's a good thing that all this crap is coming to light because it will force changes to be made but will things get better?..I doubt it.
Rant over >:(
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I understand why 5 odis with Sri Lanka. As the world cup is coming up.
But. I think it would have been a good opportunity it to let the associate nations have a go.
India could play Ireland, Afghanistan, Holland, Hong Kong etc in a test each to see how they do!
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The BCCI are already being quoted as never playing West Indies again and having them,and I quote 'punished'
The letter from the West Indies players is published on line on the guardian website.read it first and then ask yourself would you agree to those terms especially regarding image rights
Don't be too quick to hammer the players here...
And as for the BCCI,and the ECB as well,once they signed up with Australia to cut the financial pie to line their own pockets,they effectively made it 3 teams in the premier league and 7 others playing non league
It's an absolute disgrace and somewhere down the line world cricket will pay a very high price,and England are responsible too along with the BCCI. :)
That's my rant over
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Players have too much ego and power. They are behaving more and more like footballers
The fans are treating it like football
The boards are greedy, money grabbing whores now, with no regard for the game. All decisions are money driven
Agents are ruining cricket as well as football
It's just very sad to see.
I've just seen the GCB tweeting about how happy everyone is from the ECB survey.. Sad times as win lose is pretty boring, leading he decline in quality and losing playing numbers with it
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Again guys, it's not the fault of the WICB and or the players. The fault lies solely with WIPA, who negotiated with the WICB without consultation with the players. Based on initial reports in Trinidad, the players were willing to continue with the tour asking the WICB to revert to the old payment structure for this tour only, while a new MOU will be negotiated. However, I believe the WICB didn't agree, not sure about the reason. I usually agree that our players (WI) tend to be a bit too greedy with regards to money but after an interview with the former WIPA president, Ramnarine, the players who went on tourstand to lose something like 65% of their earnings (image rights and so on) while those not selected may lose 80%. Let's be honest, no one working anywhere won't be pleased with this either.
See link
http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Sticking-with-WIPA-279383472.html (http://www.trinidadexpress.com/sports/Sticking-with-WIPA-279383472.html)
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This decision will have a major drawback on WI cricket and their young talent. I have a feeling its going to be a slow death for cricket in WI, plus they don't have any role models for young cricketers to look upto..
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This decision will have a major drawback on WI cricket and their young talent. I have a feeling its going to be a slow death for cricket in WI, plus they don't have any role models for young cricketers to look upto..
Agreed...
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I read that article and all I see there is a bunch of political double speak and bullsh......
I do understand the players having no confidence in Wavel for negotiating such a dramatic decrease I their salaries but...these are not poor men and they could have finished the tour and emerged with their pride intact. Instead they bring disgrace to themselves and all fans of West Indies cricket. This is a very short sighted decision which is typical of this T20 generation of players. The whole West Indies cricket board has been a shambles for decades so for things to get this bad should be no surprise....but it hurts, and it makes me sick.
The game in the region once so regal and a source of great national identity and pride is now polluted by scam artists and charlatans. The West Indies team which used to strike fear into the hearts of world cricket is now a laughing stock. The game is dying in the West Indies and no amount of useless, money spinning T20 tournaments can save it. Where we West Indians go from here I don't know. This is the lowest ebb.
Here is an article which seems to sum up this farcical decision fairly well
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/westindies/11170823/West-Indies-threat-to-quit-India-tour-could-backfire.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/westindies/11170823/West-Indies-threat-to-quit-India-tour-could-backfire.html)
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For once I thought WI were back on track with their cricket. They do have some very good cricketers and a very good prospect in ODI/T20 but now they will again suffer because of this fiasco
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Micheal Holding has just weighed in on the current farce. Very interesting article, just shows how incompetent the WICB is. Worst cricket organization out there.
http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-article/wicb-hung-players-dry/131231 (http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-article/wicb-hung-players-dry/131231)
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I heard that the BCCI has the potential to sue the WICB for 4x their yearly profits or something around that which would clearly put them in bankruptcy.
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Holdings article gets to the crux of the matter.maybe some on here may have a rethink
The BCCI has it in their power to impose fines,ive heard a million dollars or more
Now we will see if the BCCI are ready,willing,and able to avert the end of West Indian cricket
I can't believe even those who think the BCCI are great actually believe that would be good for cricket as a worldwide game
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The BCCI is likely to claim damages of at least Rs 400 crore (US$65 million approx) from the WICB for West Indies having pulled out of the tour to India. The BCCI's working committee will decide whether to go ahead with the claim at a meeting on October 21 in Hyderabad. - Cricinfo
Would practically destroy West Indies cricket if they do.
Saying that a few of the islands on their own are better than the likes of Ireland.
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The WICB make the ECB sound competent, which is a huge statement
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I'm. Or sure any of the boards care for cricket. It's all just about money.
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I see India have announced all tours with the WI are now suspended and will seek damages. Could this be the end of international cricket in the WI?
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Sod's law!
Just booked flights and accommodation to Barbados for next years 3rd test!!
For cricket lovers of my era( 40+) it is incredibly sad to see the slide from possibly the greatest ever test side , to a side ranked 8th in the world.
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it is incredibly sad to see the slide from possibly the greatest ever test side , to a side ranked 8th in the world.
are you talking about England or the Windies in 6 months time? :D
It's sad to see but I wonder how much do the windies players get in comparison to most other international teams? Are their terms realistic?
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Not sure on players, but I heard the BCCI earn nearly the same amount from one test than the WICB usually do in a year.
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It would seem that the end is nigh for the WICB. I see they are desperately trying to throw the players under the bus and asking for the BCCI to ban them from the IPL...what a pathetic bunch. Luckily the BCCI are not having it and putting the blame squarely at the WICB's feet. I hope the BCCI demand that the entire WICB be sacked before they ever tour the West Indies again. That might actually lead to some positives out of this mess.
Otherwise associate cricket is going to get along stronger with the likes of Jamaica, Trinidad and Barbados entering the World Cup and world T20 qualifying competitions.
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are you talking about England or the Windies in 6 months time? :D
It's sad to see but I wonder how much do the windies players get in comparison to most other international teams? Are their terms realistic?
LOL!
Is this the first slide towards the almost inevitable decline of the test match arena?
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Just goes to show how much power India (and to a lesser extent england and Australia) has in this new power sharing agreement. The gap between the haves and the have nots is growing exponentially to the point where the other nations will slowly fall by the way side.
I for one look forward to an endless number of ODI tri series that last a year and a half between England aus and India.
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Just goes to show how much power India (and to a lesser extent england and Australia) has in this new power sharing agreement. The gap between the haves and the have nots is growing exponentially to the point where the other nations will slowly fall by the way side.
I for one look forward to an endless number of ODI tri series that last a year and a half between England aus and India.
People say it signals the death of test cricket, would it not also be the death of cricket in general? Fair enough that India has a lot of people watching t20's and ODIs but in a forum at work that has about 50 people in, only a tiny %care about ODI and none about t20. If they get rid of tests then I suspect these fans will all drift away. Lost to the game forever. Just because INdia is big, doesn't mean it's people know what's best for the game. In fact, they seem to only car about slogging
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Yep agree its a risk. Think its a few years off but does look like cricket is going to die a slow death, sad really
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Yep agree its a risk. Think its a few years off but does look like cricket is going to die a slow death, sad really
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I do think there is a place for proper cricket (by that I mean test and draw amateur stuff), but.. but... it needs to be played from a young age. Then you wouldn't get the people growing up with biffing cricket moaning about it being 'boring'. Plus, it would raise the standard of the game long term as you wouldn't get less technically gifted players playing top order, bowling would have to improve to actually take wickets as well as just bowl tight etc
I think there is less life in short format games as so few of a team actually get a decent go. so in <40 overs you might only have teh top 4 get a decent bat, the rest have to slog most of the time.. bowlers restricted to x overs means that batsmen can bat on and on.. bowlers can't, which isn't fair as they then are paying more for less of a game. eventually people will get bored with 'just being a bowler'.. short formats have a place in teh world as it's great for spectators to see as it's fast but test cricket is not dead, it's just being priced out of most people's reach (so a lot of fans simply can't afford it and the rest refuse to pay skys extortionate subscription or ticket price).
The game needs to refocus on cricket and not run it as a business. if you cant afford to pay player x 100,000 a year.. then don't.. if he moves to another club who can, oh well. Southampton in football are a example that you can produce the talent easily enough if you put the effort in at the bottom.
anyway, the first people that need firing are the WICB and that players group. Then fine the players massively (if not ban all the IPL ones) and move on. Player power can't be allowed to develop but as we are seeing with these, the BCCI and ECB... suits who have no interest in the game can't be in charge either. Their focus is on themselves, their pay packet and their pensions
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Banning them from the IPL is probably the only thing that would prevent the players striking (although i have sympathy for their cause on this instance)
Shouldnt FICA be stepping in here? Arent they the international players union?
EDIT: appeats the WIPA are affiliated to FICA which i guess isnt going to help in this case
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The BCCI smack of self interest to me. Let's sue the Windies for 65m but let the same striking players play in the IPL because our Franchises won't be happy. If the BCCI really wanted the tour to continue they would of been handing out lifetime IPL bans for anybody striking. The tour would of continued, albeit under protest. They could of also offered to meet some of the costs in return for an extended schedule or additional future tour. What's next? Players withdrawing from a tour and the hosting board suing the touring team for less gate receipts? I don't think the respective cricket boards have worked together on this.
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So the BCCI are going to pursue their lost revenue from the WICB....... Wait what was that? Didn't you hear it....was that...was that a death knell?
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/nov/01/india-compensation-west-indies-tour-diwali?CMP=twt_gu (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/nov/01/india-compensation-west-indies-tour-diwali?CMP=twt_gu)
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Can the ecb sue the BCCI for an Indian team only turning up for two tests this summer? Same goes for CA for an English team not turning up last winter!
Someone made a good point in a cricinfo comment (surprising I know). SA didn't start proceedings against India when they shortened a tour a couple a years ago did they? I know the situation is different but the result was the same in a shorter tour ended up happening but assume the BCCI would see that differently?
The BCCI won't be happy until it's India vs India played in India with Indian umpires and oy shown on Indian TV