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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Kieron_BT on November 26, 2014, 10:26:47 AM
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Ok lets get this discussion going.
What's everyone's expectations of the series?
Moeen preferred over Hales. No surprise after the warm up game. Its cook that really needs to go.
Woakes and Gurney opening the bowling. Bet that will put fear into the opposition!
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First ball looked promising. Pace and bounce that hurried the batsmen.
What followed..... well. Sri Lanka side that struggled to buy an opening partnership in India have dug into the list buffet. And eased along at a run a ball.
Predictions:
Sri Lanka to post 320 plus.
England to fall short on 270 ish.
Cook having made a 90 ball 50 will then declare the game a success and no changes needed......
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England have picked alot of all rounders and IMO the bowling looks quite weak and without any real leaders of an attack.
Having seen the pictures from the ground completely covered by covers this morning im surprised they got play in without reducing the overs
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Is there anybody else that feels they actually couldn't care less about the England cricket team at the moment. Mediocre team, grey characters, and awful results! No wonder numbers are dropping if these are the role models!
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The dire Ness off England performance so far is running my day off!
Hopefully Cook gives me a nice birthday present and nicks one to slip first ball.
Yes I am dissolutioned with the current England side and mentality. And am losing the will to support them
Watching aus vs sa was much more rewarding.
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A little bit more promising now! How quickly things can change in cricket. I do agree that this current England 1 day team is not very inspiring though.
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2 wickets from luck rather than judgement is not what I'd class as promising.
I do expect told cooky to claim tredwell bought it back on that basis, though.
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Too cynical! It may not be promising in the context of the England one day team but how can two wickets in two balls not add some promise to the outcome of a game?
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Only 10 minutes ago they were talking 320, they'll do very well to get that now although I think 300 will be more than enough!
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Haha, spoke too soon. Looks like they'll get 320+ after that over!
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317, well that's far too big a total for us to chase down. Never understand why they have Ravi in the team but only bowl him 4/5 overs. Either don't have him or use him as a proper all rounder, as his batting isn't usually good enough on its own.
Hoping the batsmen at least make a go of it, then some fireworks from Buttler for the last 15 overs.
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I've no idea why we are there in the first place, the world cup will be held on rock hard Aussie pitches and the ECB send the england team to prepare in Sri lanka in monsoon season.....you couldn't make it up.
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is bopara actually on the scorecard at no. 9 or is this just the way cricinfo have got it on the website?
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is bopara actually on the scorecard at no. 9 or is this just the way cricinfo have got it on the website?
He is on the BBC site too, what are England playing at?
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England having some serious good fortune here
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So that's 2 LBWs for Cook and Moeen was bowled (sort of...) but not out, even with this luck they're going at 4 an over!
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He is on the BBC site too, what are England playing at?
It's all part of the master plan ???
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we are on fire!!!! :)
but can it last...
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Moeen going along nicely here
Cook is, urrrm, being Cook...
What time is the collapse scheduled today? :-[
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3rd time LBW for Cook, here we go!
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Moeen seems to be cementing that opener position pretty well...can't see Hales getting in now
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Hales-Ali could be our finch-Warner!
Cook out.
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Surely, its time to give somebody else but Cook a go.
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Cook is becoming the ODI equivalent of the ECB's faithfull old dog. He's been in the family for years, can't control it's bladder, limps in 3 legs, blind in both eyes, deaf as a post, but they just can't bring themselves to put him down (metaphorically speaking).
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Hales-Ali could be our finch-Warner!
Cook out.
Don't think the men in charge would allow such tactics.
I think Cook and Ali is a good partnership. Cook can go along at 75-80 strike rate, Ali over 100. Better to have someone in and making runs steadily, than keep losing weeks most games but the odd game make 100.
Ali hitting 6's for fun now... :D
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that collapse,,,, is about to begin, get the popcorn out!
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why has Buttler come in before Bopara in this situation?
We need an experienced head to work the ball around and get us to the next power play - Jos is a wonderful player and will be brilliant, but give him a chance please!!
Brainless from England
(If Jos now goes and scores a hundred, I will be honour bound to delete the post like it never happened)
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playing on Saturdays we say don't lose wickets in clusters especially if one of us is 80 odd not out
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why has Buttler come in before Bopara in this situation?
We need an experienced head to work the ball around and get us to the next power play - Jos is a wonderful player and will be brilliant, but give him a chance please!!
Brainless from England
(If Jos now goes and scores a hundred, I will be honour bound to delete the post like it never happened)
If Bopara actually comes in at 9 like the scorecard says I'm following Bermuda from now on!
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England to lose by 60 with bopara making a quick 25 and running out of partners if he bats at 9
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Could've lose by more than a 100 here. Massive collapse.
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If that happens again i'm going to ban myself from the forum for swearing >:(
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Well batted mo. Keep going lad. We may need a rohit sharma from you if we gonna win this!!
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If Bopara-Moeen can take this deep into 40+ overs! England has a shot.
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Getable 20 over score
5 wickets gone is the problem!
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puts a lot of pressure on the tail now
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Good effort by Moeen, great knock. Hope the rest can do his innings justice and not waste it.
Does anyone else wonder why no one takes the batting powerplay before it has to be taken?
Also, why does Morgan still get in the team. if anyone can tell me i'd appreciate it.
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What's Cricket without some pressure on the tail. :D
Got to give it to Aussies, their tail can wag.
puts a lot of pressure on the tail now
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What's Cricket without some pressure on the tail. :D
Got to give it to Aussies, their tail can wag.
Which is really useful when Rngland are playing Sri Lanka ;)
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Bopara still one of the most valuable players around in my opinion :-[.
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I know, I know, I couldn't help it. :D
I am taking a wider perspective in light of the upcoming world cup.
Which is really useful when Rngland are playing Sri Lanka ;)
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Good effort by Moeen, great knock. Hope the rest can do his innings justice and not waste it.
Does anyone else wonder why no one takes the batting powerplay before it has to be taken?
Also, why does Morgan still get in the team. if anyone can tell me i'd appreciate it.
Sir Ian kept moaning about the powerplay not being taken. What is the fascination with taking it before the 35th over?
At no point was there a need to take the powerplay the scoreboard hadn't stalled, the run rate was under control.
And with the new rules its only a difference of one fielder being brought into the ring reducing the number of singles available.
Take it at 35 and you can have 15 overs of death if you have enough wickets in hand!
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Because we never take advantage of it, we usually seem to lose wickets in it instead of get runs. Take it earlier when someone like Moeen is in, and you "should" get a boost, which takes the pressure off near the end. Our problem is normally that we can't get enough runs, at least try something different. Having the run rate under control is fine, as long as you bat all the overs with batsmen in. If you get all out before the total, or end up with 10/11 in for a few overs and miss the total then run rate is irrelevant. Get some runs on the board!
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It's all over. Despite kingravi and moeens efforts.
Can't help but feel England will feel that was good enough as it got close.
Besides all the hales chat, I think a true world class bowler is what we really miss.
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its seems like one of those game where they never really looked like winning the scoreline is reasonably close a bit like england rugby union recently
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Personally the same as nick, lost patience with the ecb. This game will be trotted out as a warm up, they were rusty, learnt some lessons, good experience etc etc..
Long and short of it... Only two players out of 11 turned up and they train every day so being rusty is no excuse
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Alastair Cook's gone 40 ODI innings without a hundred, when will he look in the mirror and see he doesn't merit a place in the side?
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Vaughn was the same, his ODI record was disgraceful and his fielding ordinary yet refused to go, I think Bell should just be the anchor and let the rest bat around him.
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Toss delayed, sky think the rain will last an hour or so.
Finn measuring his runup and Roots elbow strapped up but still training.
Quite a sombre mood on sky.
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Outfield is annoyingly slow. It's difficult to watch. This is unsporting outfield!
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Top 3 contributing 30 odd runs just isn't good enough. Looks a slow pitch and outfield but you have to expect that in SL. Arguably have a few players doing twelthers who would really learn from playing in these conditions but aren't getting a game
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Remind me other than the number of overs how this is good prep for the World Cup to be held in AUS/NZ and not Sri Lanka in the rainy season ???
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Well is the a familiar score to wake up to. As beautiful as Moeen's knock was yesterday, it just papered over the cracks.
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A lot was made about how poor the Sri lanka bowling line up was in the India series. Same poor line up troubling England ;). Can't lose your openers to someone like dilshan.
Up to bopara again to get them out of a hole. Is it time to drop Morgan? His average this year is shocking.
5 more odi's to go I suppose.
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Well. This is embarrassing.
England need a change of mentality and personal and fast. Otherwise we may end up losing to more minnows in the WC.
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honestly - what are we learning out there? All we are doing is showing up limitations against spin and giving players game time in conditionas and against bowlers that they will not befacing in Oz.
Could we not have played against some NZ, SA or Zim state sides, over there somewhere - it would surely have given us a better runout.
All this will do is increase pressure on Cook and Morgan and provoke negative reactions to our cricket.
Dilshan opening the bowling indeed!!!
But whilst we are throwing the baby out with the bathwater, a few concerns of my own -
No way to get Hales into present lineup
Lack of a decent, run-saving spinner who turns it away
Is Harry Gurney really good enough
Is Ian Bell actually interested
Get Bopara in at 4-5 for a while
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Listening to the after game talks was an ambarrasment.. It showed up the modern england with Cook blaming everything other than themselves. When wil we wake up to the fact we produce good eggs who are nothing but mediocre.. Great defence shown by test match batsmen buttler again.
It's a shambles still and shows no signs of improving.. Least they have good team ethics
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actions speak louder than words.
no longer interested in the management words.
it is time for action.
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actions speak louder than words.
no longer interested in the management words.
it is time for action.
I actually hate being negative about England as I want them to be the best but do you think it's possible? England become good for a short time on the back of some serious talent (most not raised in England), now that talent is retired/dropped the team just can't replace the skill level and looking at county cricket, won't for some time.
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I think the talent is there, it's just not being used or developed.
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I love cricket. And I love my country. So it does seem a little wrong to go on and on.
But I guess I do it as it just confuses me so much what they are doing!
Cook is neither one of the best 11 odi players available, or a exceptional captain. So I just can't figure out why they persist with him.
We are so so bad currently, I can't see anyone in the side or coaching set up actually believe they have a chance of WC glory either.
So what are they playing at? Is there am anterior motive in the set up? If so can anyone figure what it may be? As surely being the laughing stock of world cricket should not be something a country wants to be. But that is what we are currently.
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You have to have a few dynamic players in ODI cricket and personally the only one up to international cricket is Ravi
Hales for cook
Taylor for bell
Stokes for woakes
Billings for butler (this is my view as I just don't rate butler that highly)
When fit
Anderson for woakes
Broad for Finn
And a spinner that turns the ball
So basically a whole sale change Morgan only stays as he has to captain in the absence of Cook,
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What's Billings batting like? Could we fit Buttler in there for batting alone? not a bad finisher!!
Hales
Trott
Ali
KP (Capt)
Taylor
Morgan
Bopara
Buttler
Broad
Anderson
Finn
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What abotu Roy? Could we throw him in there too?? Morgan isn't firing so maybe give someone else a go?
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I've said it a couple of times before but it's well too soon for Billings. A single good season in a single format is hardly rare in county cricket, and I think he needs another season to actually show he's not a one off like a lot of players.
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I've said it a couple of times before but it's well too soon for Billings. A single good season in a single format is hardly rare in county cricket, and I think he needs another season to actually show he's not a one off like a lot of players.
Butler got in after one season that wasn't that great unless I'm mistaken and many an England players has got in for less. Billings plays fearless cricket and I think we need that. There is no way he can do worse in than our so called big guns could do.
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There is no way he can do worse in than our so called big guns could do.
This.. we might as well lose but try and build a new team than keep the current 'team ethic' lot.
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Quite sure Buttler did pretty well for the two consecutive season before he was called up in both one day and t20. Could be wrong though.
England are very much set on all players being consistent on the county circuit before being considered for the international team from what we've seen in recent years I think. Something that is perhaps respectable given there are some people that just have single seasons where they're form goes through the roof.
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It's ok everyone - don't panic!!! We've dropped our frontline spinner and bunged another all-rounder/seamer in.
That should stop the rot!
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slightly better side today but taylor needs to get his go as he deserves it
hoping Jordan goes well as he gives so much with the bat and in field but needs to deliver with primary function
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Why did we decide to play in Sri Lanka in the rainy season..?
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Why are we playing 4 seamers in Sri Lanka
Why is Hales batting 3
Why are we even in Sri Lanka on slow low decks during the rainy season - the World Cup is in Australia and it won't tell us much about who is going to play there.
Nobody has a clue why apart from the Cook/Moores brain trust. The more I look at it the more I think we have no idea. Not a James Taylor fan but his 50 over record is outstanding and he deserves a chance. Hales has also been very good this year - as an opener.
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James Tredwell has got to be the most under appreciated player going!
He's been our best ODI bowler for the last couple of years, alright he doesn't turn it miles, but he's been doing pretty darn well without spinning it yards, so we go to Sri Lanka, home of the spinner, last match SL play about 1365893 spinners, next match, we drop ours! I appreciate this is meant to be a warm up for the World Cup, but surel the best way to warm up is by winning some games of cricket?
Not sure when the management are going to get it into their heads that Ben Stokes is not good enough as a bowler alone (which is all he is if he's going to bat at 8 ) why not pick a proper bowler? Chris Woakes is good enough to bat at 8 easily.
Also, bit left field, but I would have taken Mark Footitt to Sri Lanka, he had an outstanding season in 2014, and had been steadily improving before then. Plus on a docile Sub continental pitch what more can you ask for than a rapid left arm seamer?
Not even going to mention James Taylor not playing......
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Last time Tredwell played in Aus he was targeted and i fear they are looking for alternatives (Ali) in case this happens again in the WC. I'm sure he'd be more suited to the SL conditions but suspect they will try to go with 4 seamers and Ali as the frontline spinner for the world cup.
Personally i'm amazed Tredwell has done so well for England
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Nobody has a clue why apart from the Cook/Moores brain trust...
I think their selection issues are odd at best but dont think we can blame these two for the choice to play in SL in the rainy season :)
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I think their selection issues are odd at best but dont think we can blame these two for the choice to play in SL in the rainy season :)
No we can blame the ECB for stupid planning. Do you think it's a conspiracy to stop us winning anything by our own governing body?
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if Cook dropped himself that means a place for a more dynamic player(hales) and tredwell as the front line spinner, Ali to back up.
I'm afraid whether it's international cricket or club cricket you should pick the best players and then choose the captain from that.
Anything else and the whole selection process in flawed. I like Cook, but he's not a one day player.
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Or they could get Rashid in? Can bat and bowl. Got experience of Aussie pitches. Turns it the opposite way to Ali/Root.
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England should really cut their losses with Ben Stokes, aside from that 100 in Perth, he's getting worst all the time. His bowling has gone down the toilet as well...
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Or they could get Rashid in? Can bat and bowl. Got experience of Aussie pitches. Turns it the opposite way to Ali/Root.
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What is the point of Stokes in this side, a specialist number 8 who can send down a few terrible overs if the RR gets too low?
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the part time bowlers, and stokes, have got slapped.Chris Jordan down at number 10 thou if he really comes in then means we do bat a long way down
I just think any side that gets over 250 against us we can't win the game.
As for Rashid, looks like he is coming back in to the A sides-so at least he is in the system and not in the wilderness.
England probably should of tried harder to look after Rashid, he's got talent and anyone who says bowling leg spin in the right area is easy is a liar.
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So - have we got a Snowballs chance of getting anywhere near this?
Ali needs to come off as well as Morgs and Ravi Bops today methinks!
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Well Broad and Anderson are shoe in's so that's 10 & 11 sorted. If you play Finn then Broad will bat 9, hardly terrible. Means the 8 has to do a decent job with the ball and hold a bat. So Woakes or Jordon I guess. Ravi Bop appears to be 7, Butler 6, Morgan 5, Root 4, ? 3, Ali 2, Cook :-( 1.
Guess that's why Hales is 3, still think he should open. Dump Cook, Hales opens, Root 3, Morgan 4, Ravi Bop 5, Stokes 6 (as a batter mainly) or Taylor,Butler 7 - makes more sense to me. That said, if Anderson, Finn, Broad, Woakes are to come do we need all that bowling. Surely Ravi Bop, Stokes, Root could bowl 10 between them. Has anybody seen the nasty trundle SA have been peddling for the 5th bowler? We could play Bell and get some quality in? Alternatively get Rashid in, anybody is better than Gurney.
It's not depth of batting or bowling that's the issue, it's the lack of quality (and crap planning).
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slow over rates are catching up with captain cookie thou, so he could get banned
I can hear the forum cracking open the beers!
that of course means Hales would be in the side and james taylor might even get a game
apart from being 4 ft tall what has JT done wrong? is he the one KP asked if there was 'no one better in County cricket? or is that Carbs?
i'd have taylor in the one day side myself, if your not going to pick the highest scoring batsman in one day cricket after 2014 when are you going to pick him...
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slow over rates are catching up with captain cookie thou, so he could get banned
I can hear the forum cracking open the beers!
that of course means Hales would be in the side and james taylor might even get a game
apart from being 4 ft tall what has JT done wrong? is he the one KP asked if there was 'no one better in County cricket? or is that Carbs?
i'd have taylor in the one day side myself, if your not going to pick the highest scoring batsman in one day cricket after 2014 when are you going to pick him...
Not a Taylor fan myself (I think KP wasn't far off at the time), but he's earnt the right to play based his 2014 50 over season.
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Moeen slogging again...this tactic won't work in Australia
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Moeen slogging again...this tactic won't work in Australia
Hitting 6's = slogging ??
You need someone in the team to hit sixes, at least he's showing some confidence
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Hitting 6's = slogging ??
You need someone in the team to hit sixes, at least he's showing some confidence
Hitting 6s in Asia is hardly challenging...
Lets see him trying this 'hit and hope' method at the MCG...
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Hitting 6s in Asia is hardly challenging...
Lets see him trying this 'hit and hope' method at the MCG...
Good job we only play there once...
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Hitting 6s in Asia is hardly challenging...
Lets see him trying this 'hit and hope' method at the MCG...
Gerry back on form haha - Cannot wait for Moeen to tear the Aussies a new one
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Hitting 6s in Asia is hardly challenging...
Lets see him trying this 'hit and hope' method at the MCG...
You can't have a go at him for 6s...you can only hit what bowling is there. And I'm sure there will be a fair amount of slow/spin bowling despite the conditions, which is normally what England struggle against.
It's better than getting to 35 overs and seeing we've hit 5 boundries, no 6s as usual!!
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Gerry back on form haha - Cannot wait for Moeen to tear the Aussies a new one
Tri-Series in January, England will get hammered.
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Cook out for 34, 42 innings without an ODI hundred...James Taylor should slip something into Cook's dinner ahead of the 4th ODI...
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Praying Hales and Ali build a good partnership here. That along with an over rate ban is the best chance we have of them opening in the WC.
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it's frustrating just writing this....but if you need time to play yourself in-Cookie- then the only way you can really catch up is by putting it into the stands
which Cook cannot do. I don't think ive even seen him hit a six, so he always scores at less than a run a ball-so behind all the time....
Moheen is giving us some hope at the moment thou
can he do it on a quick track in OZ? don't know
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Moeen can't play the short stuff for toffee...
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Moeen can't play the short stuff for toffee...
58 off 37 balls, hope he doesn't play like this too often, him and his disgusting 6's :D ;) :D ;)
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it's frustrating just writing this....but if you need time to play yourself in-Cookie- then the only way you can really catch up is by putting it into the stands
which Cook cannot do. I don't think ive even seen him hit a six, so he always scores at less than a run a ball-so behind all the time....
Moheen is giving us some hope at the moment thou
can he do it on a quick track in OZ? don't know
As long as cook plays with Ali/Hales who have a SR > 100 then cook can play his game. hoped he'd go on to make at least 50 but hey ho
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That was a single. More caffeine for Hales.
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Moeen slogging again...this tactic won't work in Australia
and you are such an expert on batting in australia lol
Yes bigger grounds, but not as big as they use to be and plenty of guys seem to hit sixes in the Big Bash. Adelaide has some nice short square boundaries to target.
More worried about his short ball technique and his running with Hales :-(
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Looked to me like hales was backing up and watching the ball. And presumably he didn't hear a call so went back.
Weather there was a call or not is not clear from the reply footage.
In terms of England's future the right guy was run out imo. Ali has his place nailed on.
Hales is fighting for his. An 8 may have cost him. But hopefully a decent score will ensue
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Bopara only ever gets runs when England lose...today was a perfect time to shake off his loser tag, yet he can't.
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So Cook may be out next game and our vice captain is just as far out of form. Was about to suggest Bell for Morgan and Taylor for Cook if he's out.
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Can someone PLEASE tell me how Morgan has got in the team for this series???
He hasn't performed for at least a year at the top level, and from what I've seen hasn't even performed particularly well for Middlesex! Yet he walks into the team based on performances 3/4 years ago. Good old England selectors
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Root-Buttler duo can score 80+ runs. Root can scrap. C'mon kid, fight!
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Because he's vice captain :-[?
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Can someone PLEASE tell me how Morgan has got in the team for this series???
He hasn't performed for at least a year at the top level, and from what I've seen hasn't even performed particularly well for Middlesex! Yet he walks into the team based on performances 3/4 years ago. Good old England selectors
you weren't watching the t20 v India at the end of the summer then?
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Just got in from work
Why is Morgan playing yet Bell dropped?
Why aren't we playing a frontline spinner in Sri Lanka?
Why is Woakes down to bat at 10?
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Moeen slogging again...this tactic won't work in Australia
Seems to work for Finch..!
Not convinced by Ali's batting to be fair, but if he keeps carting it everywhere he can open as long as he wants.
Stokes/Bopara, please just pick one. I'd pick the one who's the best one day all-rounder in the country for his county rather than the one who repeatedly gets England closeish to a total and then bottles it.
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morgs out of form cant get more than 1 and in form will get a ton
bell in form/out of form will get you 35 ish
cook in/out of form will get you 30 ish off 40 balls
I suppose it depends what you want. if everyone got 35 we would win nearly all the games
but that never happens does it?
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Seems to work for Finch..!
exactly.. Finch is a dirty biffer and isn't doing too badly in oz
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Seems to work for Finch..!
Not convinced by Ali's batting to be fair, but if he keeps carting it everywhere he can open as long as he wants.
Stokes/Bopara, please just pick one. I'd pick the one who's the best one day all-rounder in the country for his county rather than the one who repeatedly gets England closeish to a total and then bottles it.
Haha! Stokes has done nothing to prove he is an England ODI player, and looks out of his depth at this level. Ravi divides opinion, but regularly gets runs -more than can be said for this line-up!
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you weren't watching the t20 v India at the end of the summer then?
unfortunately that seems to be an anomaly rather than anything. I'd like to know his average over last year or so, especially for ENG
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Stokes hasn't proved he's an England ODI 3rd seamer, give the poor lad a chance! Massively stronger with the bat in limited overs. I'd expect his bowling to go better in oz/nz anyhow, and Bopara's to go a lot worse.
As for Bopara as a batsman - if he's in, bat him up the order. He's proved he can score runs, sure, but he's also proved he's incapable of finishing a game off, so what's the point of him at 7? Would rather see someone else given a chance than watch Bopara repeatedly hole out in the 47th over.
Good win that, about time.
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Woo! we won!
That's what happens when you set the game up for Buttler to finish it off. shame that in a 50 over match he would have been in far too early, and probably got out due to frustration or a lack of partners.
Maybe we should play 35 over games, could be our niche!
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Weee wonnnnnnnnnnn. Did not expect that to be honest
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Scrappers bring it home ! Butler-Root! Good start by Moeen.
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Bloody hell, I win in foreign conditions.
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So next game, presumably Tredwell back in for Stokes. Not a clue with the batting. If Cook stays they may drop Morgan but if Cook is out they may be more reluctant to do so.
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Stoke for tredwell in next game if cook not banned.
Cook for tredwell if banned. And everyone moves up one.
But, I'd prefer to see taylor in for cook, or even Morgan regardless.
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Cook out gives us the ideal situation to get Taylor in my opinion therefore I personally feel Stokes unfortunately has to go.
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Give Taylor a chance. He can hit...it is a shame he is a water man.
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Cook is now banned from the next match, should hopefully mean Taylor gets a run and hales gets to open.
will a group of supporters ever have been so glad to see their captain banned?
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Cook is now banned from the next match, should hopefully mean Taylor gets a run and hales gets to open.
will a group of supporters ever have been so glad to see their captain banned?
Cook effectively dropped by a former Aussie selector! :D
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that's terrific news :)
Would love it if Hales, Morgan,Taylor made big scores and Cook couldn't get back in.
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This quote from moeen suggests it may have been a tactical slow over rate, albeit for a different reason than most would hope.
"We knew Cook was on the verge of a ban, the bonus is that it wipes the slate clean before the World Cup."
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I think this will be an interesting experiment. If, without Cook, we see a decent batting performance, it's going to give the selectors a headache as they are very much pro-Cook whereas the press will be all over it (as will the fans) with "I told you so".
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The problem is he has performed 'ok' in ODIs with his batting. Not sure about captaincy as he will probably have a plan already created and will stick to it.
It will be interesting to see who comes in/moves position and I think Morgan is lucky as his performances warranted dropping before Cook did.
If he can get a big score and the captaining of the side proves better, there's questions to be asked.
The recent ODI proved that Hales is not the Messiah of English cricket, but he could be a very good player he ups his game another level.
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my personal view is, that Cook should stay as skipper and continue opening the batting in ODI cricket. I genuinely feel on the Oz wickets during the World Cup, he will perform reasonably well. I guess time will tell...
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Hales performance yesterday, I shall take with a pinch of salt. He isn't a number 3. He's an opener. He came in under very different circumstances to what he's used to, with the added pressure of this may be his only chance before the WC.
He showed flashes of great timing through the point area. He just didn't seem to then time it well when he chose to push on.
Had the Ali run out not happened, he may well have choice to press on much later while Ali Continued to make hay.
hopefully he does well in the next game.
However the ever pessimist inside off me (when it comes to English cricket) foresees that one off hales or Ali will fail, we will get less than 275, and the england camp will declare that it was proof England are better, or just as good with cook opening and he will be there forever....... or at least until we are knocked from the WC.
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my personal view is, that Cook should stay as skipper and continue opening the batting in ODI cricket. I genuinely feel on the Oz wickets during the World Cup, he will perform reasonably well. I guess time will tell...
Totally agree! I think if Cook opens with Hales then that's a decent partnership. Have Ali at 3, who can replicate Hales quicker scoring style if we lose a quick wicket. Then Root at 4, Bell at 5 (or other way round depending on situation), Bopara 6, Buttler 7. Hopefully that would set up Bopara/Buttler for the last 10/15 overs and we could actually get somewhere near 300.
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Will be interesting if England post 350+ top order runs without Cook, though I still imagine the selectors would bring him straight back in.
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Us being us will probably bring Bell back for Cook.
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Us being us will probably bring Bell back for Cook.
Who will bat 3? Move Hales up to open? Might be better if that did happen.
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Who will bat 3? Move Hales up to open? Might be better if that did happen.
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Moeen and Bell to open, everyone else as was in the last game knowing our selectors
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Cric info reckon Taylor. I hope there right.
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But... Who's is the icon he's using? Seems they net with owt having watched a video if hales with ravis ton before?
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looks like a middling bat to me
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Using a GM Icon, tut tut James!
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Think it's practically dead certain that Moeen and Hales will open on Sunday. It's just whether Bell or Taylor (who I think this gives us the ideal situation to get in) comes in for Cook. In an ideal world they'd both come in for Morgan but unfortunately he's now captain so we can't do that :D. If Bell came in then Bumble was suggesting to get Morgan up the order to try and regain form and slotting him in at 3 could be an option? Even if Taylor came in the same could be done with Taylor at 4 but that would mean definitely slotting Root down to 5 which looking at yesterday may not be the best choice.
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Anyone know the forecast for tonight? Am I right in thinking that as soon as there's a toss Cooks ban is then served even if there's no play?
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Taylor in, down at 3 :D. First time I've been excited looking forward to an England innings in a while seeing that top 3! Still though, no Tredwell in Sri Lanka ???.
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Noooooo. Could just see that happening after that first wide :(.
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Doh.
Think that'll be hales last chance until after the WC at the earliest now.
Cook and Moore saved.
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Taylor looks all muscled up.
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Taylor looking very nervous.
Hopefully he can get through this chill and go long/big. Otherwise if he and hales fail today...... well we will have to say "what do we know?"
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I think we all know quite a bit
50 up for Taylor....
Keep going son
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Great innings from taylor. Gutted he didn't make a ton. But it showed a selfless innings. He could have just nudged ones to a hundred.
He's probably just cost hales his place though.
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well played Taylor. gutted about Hales.
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Good to see him getting some runs.
For those who were saying why we playing in SL. Better than not playing at all.
I'd say Moeen, Root, Buttler and Taylor have taken their chance to get a WC place.
Cook as captain and Morgan as vice seems to be nailed on as well.
Shame Hales couldn't live up to the hype.
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good chance for Morgan to get some end of innings time here (fingers crossed that I have not cursed him :-[ )
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Taylor played an intelligent innings and looked comfortable
We are now losing wickets again regularly
Is ben stokes in for his future potential or what?
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I think Bens in till Broad is fit again.
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Cook does well out of this batting performance! Feel Hales might be struggling to get in the next game but equally woukdnt put it past them to drop Taylor. Wonder if taylor suffering from cramp might not do him any favours with the selectors who seem intent on not picking him unless they absolutely have to
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Well done Taylor and Morgan! Still a lot of questions over the batting line up with the WC just around the corner.
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Taylor and Morgan did well. But..... We are still 30 or 40 runs short here.
Our longggggg batting line up failed to support Morgan there.
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Par at the ground is only just over 200 however.
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Cast your mind back to Textgate. Ron Weasley came in to replace KP Genius and made a wonderful 95 and quick fire 50 odd against the best bowling attack in the world.
Because he didn't get a ton he was dropped for the next test, I fear Titch may suffer the same injustice in the One Day side.
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Cast your mind back to Textgate. Ron Weasley came in to replace KP Genius and made a wonderful 95 and quick fire 50 odd against the best bowling attack in the world.
Because he didn't get a ton he was dropped for the next test, I fear Titch may suffer the same injustice in the One Day side.
Bairstow was replaced by Samit Patel for an away game against India. Are you suggesting that if Bairstow had scored 5 more runs then they would have ignored the need for a second spinner and left Patel out? If so then you sir are an idiot
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Bairstow was replaced by Samit Patel for an away game against India. Are you suggesting that if Bairstow had scored 5 more runs then they would have ignored the need for a second spinner and left Patel out? If so then you sir are an idiot
No I'm not saying they'd have ignored the need for a 2nd spinner, I'm saying it's harder to drop a player after making a hundred, had he got 5 more runs then it would've likely been someone else who missed out.
Why do you have to point everything out using monosyllabic words in this place now? I'm sure making a simple point never used to be this difficult...
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Do you really think that 5 more runs would have meant one of Trott, Bell or KP being dropped instead?
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Do you really think that 5 more runs would have meant one of Trott, Bell or KP being dropped instead?
KP was already out of the side due to Textgate if you'd bothered to read my initial post. Had Bairstow made an extra 5 runs he'd have likely been nailed on as KP's permanent replacement and the ECB would've been able to dispose of KP ahead of schedule. But it didn't happen so we'll never know.
I can't be bothered with this any more so by all means call me an idiot again but I won't bother replying.
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Moeen Ali once again clueless when batting in the first innings. All good and well slogging in the second innings. But real men can score in the first innings.
His bowling has also been exposed as the non entity is truly is.
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He was timing those balls to perfection nearly every time... Hardly looked clueless.
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He was timing those balls to perfection nearly every time... Hardly looked clueless.
Sugar coat it however you like. Ali is gonna get battered in Australia.
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Moeen Ali once again clueless when batting in the first innings. All good and well slogging in the second innings. But real men can score in the first innings.
His bowling has also been exposed as the non entity is truly is.
Have you scored an ODI hundred off 60 odd balls?
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He was timing those balls to perfection nearly every time... Hardly looked clueless.
of all the issues with the odi team, I am pretty certain Moeen isn't near the top!
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The least of the teams worries is Ali's timing of the ball.. Plenty of other idiots to worry about currently in that team and squad.
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Have you scored an ODI hundred off 60 odd balls?
No, it because Moeen Ali is English and as we all know Gerry literally cannot wait to jump in and slag off English players any opportunity he gets. It's as predictable as much as the sun rising and setting.
Yawn!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30396782 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30396782)
bugger
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'The way we've approached our batting, the tempo at the top of the order especially, has been brilliant," he said.
i must be watching a different game to Joe Root, more corporate cricket cr8p.
Cook back, Hales out....sums up the whole sham!
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^ hehe
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Cook's GN XRD has a serious bow.
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30396782[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/30396782[/url])
bugger
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Hmmm, I guess this doesn't interest us much anymore, as we are all a little frustrated with the team, the management and the selection.
Notable that Tredders has put in a good spell here - although I fear for England's batting on a tricky, spinning pitch.
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I think we all still care but the people I speak to have simply had enough of the ECB and the selection policy. The ECB has to coin a phrase from football 'Lost the dressing room'.
The players are to blame as well to a degree but some of them probably shouldn't have been picked etc. Management are paid the bucks so should carry the can.
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Lets just hope the England lads have been reading the thread on how to play off spin
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Lets just hope the England lads have been reading the thread on how to play off spin
I hope they have and all of them employ this technique!
I like to charge a 1/3 of the way up the track and flat-bat it through the leg side for 4 on the full.
Letting it bounce is very poor form.
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Gosh - a six-fer for Woakes, he can't really be as poo as some members have mentioned?
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WICKET - A Mendis b Woakes 0 (SL 239 all out)
That's how to bowl to number 11 - fast and straight, Ajantha Mendis is bowled, and Woakes - already the first England player to take an ODI five-wicket haul, has a six-for!
Is that badly written, or have the BBC cocked up on their stats?
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The made a large cock-up - he's the first Englishman to take 2 x 6-fers in ODI's.
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And the first England fast bowler to take a 5-fer in ODI's in Sri Lanka
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Is it just me or was bopara just throwing to the first on purpose as I've been taught always to get in to the keeper on the full not to try and injure him on the bounce
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ODI cricket is about Chris Woakes' ability. Medium paced dobber getting a few cheap charity wickets.
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Bingo! :D
(I'm here all week)
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Is it just me or was bopara just throwing to the first on purpose as I've been taught always to get in to the keeper on the full not to try and injure him on the bounce
Throw it in on the bounce properly and you do a good job of scuffing the ball enough to induce reverse swing.
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ODI cricket is about Chris Woakes' ability. Medium paced dobber getting a few cheap charity wickets.
Really! Personally I think he is world class mate.
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Is it just me or was bopara just throwing to the first on purpose as I've been taught always to get in to the keeper on the full not to try and injure him on the bounce
According to TMS they were trying to scuff the ball and get it to reverse! Hence chucking it in hard on the bounce, quite common and often the umpires will tell them to stop!
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Is it just me or was bopara just throwing to the first on purpose as I've been taught always to get in to the keeper on the full not to try and injure him on the bounce
Also to soften the ball to stop it going country miles in the second half of the innings - has little effect for England tho
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Also to soften the ball to stop it going country miles in the second half of the innings - has little effect for England tho
So it only goes 5 rows into the crowd rather than 25 usually
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Haha you got it!!
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Hmmmm - I think it's going to take a special innings from someone here.
Opening with 2 off-spinners indeed - how unsporting!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Turns out slogging wildly doesn't work in the long run...
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Another cook failure. He was out when scored 8. Shocking shot from Ali when we only need 5 an over. At least he has his bowling to fall back on. What does cook have.
It isn't going to happen but England would be better dropping Cook, Bell and Anderson and let them concentrate on Tests only. Big year next year for England test match wise and those 3 aren't good one day players but if only playing test matches they would bring more to that form of cricket than the one day games.
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it's not Cooks fault, he does not have the expansive game for one day cricket, tests yes he's great but he's too rigid and has been playing that way for a long time
tried skippering your club and dropping the opener down the order because he's had a few low scores only to find,surprise surprise,he cannot muscle it for sixes and fours with a few overs to go??
the fault lies totally with the ECB and selectors who are becoming a laughing stock for us many England fans
on the plus side Taylor is in again and still going, many on this forum rate him as a high class one day player.....
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it's not Cooks fault, he does not have the expansive game for one day cricket, tests yes he's great but he's too rigid and has been playing that way for a long time
tried skippering your club and dropping the opener down the order because he's had a few low scores only to find,surprise surprise,he cannot muscle it for sixes and fours with a few overs to go??
the fault lies totally with the ECB and selectors who are becoming a laughing stock for us many England fans
on the plus side Taylor is in again and still going, many on this forum rate him as a high class one day player.....
No disrespect but it is Cooks fault. He is the one who can easily take the high ground and admit he is not a one day player and ask not to be selected.
He isn't even a good one day captain. How can he expect to be a good one day player when he is so limited in his shot making.
Many on the forum rate Taylor because like me I can see how he has taken criticism that he received in 2012 and worked so hard to overcome them.
It has made him into a very good one day player and captain. I personally think there are better players that are more suited to test matches but whose to say that once he has become a force in the one day game that he turns his attention to the longer format.
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50 up for Taylor, no one knows if he will make a test player because he hasn't had the chance, personally I can't think of any reason why he would not be,but he deserves a chance for sure...
As for Cook I see your point,you are asking one hell of a lot from him to do what you are asking.Cook is England Captain-he doesn't run the ECB or even run the selection of players.
There is a huge management team behind England and these people get paid big money to make big decisions.
Cook wants to Captain England and is doing his absolute best to drag England up,any fan can see that...
He is a square peg in a round hole in one dayers,are the top hard management decisions down to him-No they are not..
Failure of ECB Management -yes...added to the tlist of lots of other poor decision making recently
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I wouldn't disagree about the Ecb. Infact speaking to coaches and parents around the counties it seems that certain counties are just as poor in their decision making.
My son is at a county and they seem more obsessed with fitness than technique or game management. It saddens me to see this but it's obviously carried on throughout all levels of cricket.
As for cook? I still stand by the fact that (like Anderson.should) Cook should ask not to be considered for the one day games and just concentrate on Tests. Perhaps he doesn't stand down due to the wages he receives?
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Roooooooooooooot!
Can we just appoint him or Morgan as captain and get Hales in for Cook?
This series has proved we don't need Cook wasting deliveries at the top of the order, we're equally as good/inept (delete as you see fit!) without him there
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Roooooooooooooot!
Can we just appoint him or Morgan as captain and get Hales in for Cook?
This series has proved we don't need Cook wasting deliveries at the top of the order, we're equally as good/inept (delete as you see fit!) without him there
Totally agree. Cook would of been dropped by now if he wasn't Captain. Hales is far better suited to this format and Morgan is a decent captain.
Picking your best XI simply isn't a true statement in England's case.
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I personally think cook is a great and selfless captain.
take this morning for instance. He realises he isn't good enough and Taylor is the man. So get out first over to let him have a full crack.
what a guy!
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I personally think cook is a great and selfless captain.
take this morning for instance. He realises he isn't good enough and Taylor is the man. So get out first over to let him have a full crack.
what a guy!
Quality outlook 😀
Can we fire the ECB suits and anyone currently connected to their regime please.
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All jokes a side this is embarrassing.
I think we have some great odi talent in the county set up. We just seem to have no want to use it, and just leave the same guys in over and over again.
Taylor bit there hand off when the opportunity arose, yet they did not want to play him.
Cook and Morgan have not scored a 100 runs in Sri Lanka yet!
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How do they keep getting picked over and over again.
It is not working, try something else.
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Oooh Dear! This isn't going well is it?
I'm a massive Morgan fan, but he just isn't justifying his place these days is he?
Time to slide him and Cook out. We may look a better unit with two fresher batsmen, Anderson and Broad (although I'd levave Jimmy out) and a left arm spinner in the 12 to pick from.
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You know your ODI side is crap when a total non-talent like Joe Root is the leading run scorer...
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You know your ODI side is crap when a total non-talent like Joe Root is the leading run scorer...
How many test match double hundreds have you got then??
Calling Joe Root a non-talent shows what an ignorant bellend you are really...
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How many test match double hundreds have you got then??
Calling Joe Root a non-talent shows what an ignorant bellend you are really...
Dry your eyes you loser.
You Poms love your limited ability, bottom of the barrel players.
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Sri Lanka win. Outclassed England easily.
England bypass the world cup, you won't be missed.
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Seriously ignore the troll. Every time you bite. Means he'll continue to talk out of his behind in an attempt to get reactions.
It's not difficult. Ignore him!!
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Seriously ignore the troll. Every time you bite. Means he'll continue to talk out of his behind in an attempt to get reactions.
It's not difficult. Ignore him!!
I can't see what this says as I haven't got round to drying my eyes yet!
I can accept that he doesn't like the English, but calling Joe Root talentless shows a real lack of intelligence of any kind...
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Sri Lanka win. Outclassed England easily.
England bypass the world cup, you won't be missed.
Gerry, bypass this forum - like England at the World Cup, you will not be missed! :)
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Anyway.
Seeing as hales dropped catch that apparently "cost England the game" was a reason in there decision to drop him.
I'm hoping the england management take the same view of cooks dropped catch today.
Despite the fact wed have probably lost anyway as we are rubbish, dropping sangakarra certainly helped.
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Sri Lanka win. Outclassed England easily.
England bypass the world cup, you won't be missed.
Yawn.
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'Bellend' is one of those great descriptive words, I love it and it should be used more.
Anyway, I guess at least we are under no illusions about England's potential at the World Cup, so any success will come as a pleasant surprise.
This has to be a more pleasant prospect than the inevitability that sides such as South Africa will choke yet again, despite their magnificent talent. That must be tricky for a fan to stomach.
Cheer up Englishers - the only way is up!!
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'Bellend' is one of those great descriptive words, I love it and it should be used more.
Anyway, I guess at least we are under no illusions about England's potential at the World Cup, so any success will come as a pleasant surprise.
This has to be a more pleasant prospect than the inevitability that sides such as South Africa will choke yet again, despite their magnificent talent. That must be tricky for a fan to stomach.
Cheer up Englishers - the only way is up!!
Whether the Proteas 'choke' or not, least we all know SA are vastly superior to than rather pathetic English team. #YoureWelcome
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SA don't have that much talent really once you get past Amla, faf and AB. Bowling wise, once you're past Steyn, mortal and philander there isn't mich else. Can't see past aus dominating tbh. Got good biffers, good batsmen and a top line attack.
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I think SA have plenty of talent actually - they lack only the ability or mental strength to win the big ones.
England on the other hand, need a bit of an overhaul - but we'll be back again and spanking the arses of our colonial cousins!
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/content/current/story/810121.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/content/current/story/810121.html)
Interesting - is Moores being a realist, or is he hanging Cooky out to dry?
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It's an interesting situation. There must come a time when Cook thinks to himself - ''I am just not cutting it (at the moment) and have run out of time. Why force others into an impossible position. I will move aside and go and get some rest/ think about the longer format.''
I fully appreciate he is the captain and the extra responsibility that comes with that role; however, all the talk of team England... when does the team's need come first and he step aside instead of forcing others to make the decision for him?
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Cook won't make it to the World Cup as captain or player forget what paul downton says
He must know himself he is not suited to one day cricket and younger players are coming thru
Winning in SL was always going to be a huge ask and in a couple of games we have looked ok
AC has no agenda or self interest like some who has represented us recently and the england management who have put extra pressure on him will have to engineer a way out and let him concentrate on tests....
There's no disgrace and no shame he has done his absolute best but it hasn't worked out
Whether England fans like it or not we are in a transition after some senior players have gone and some others like bell and morgan have not stood up.
Look back over the years we have never been strong in one dayers but at least the team is coming together now
There will be an openers spot for the world cup and that's as good as we are going to get
Root,Taylor,ali-all the guys have come on well
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Cook is only 31, test captain and "leader" of England.
Anyone who thinks that in his shoes they would step down are not being true to themselves. No way would anyone give that, and the salary, up just because your performances aren't great.
If he does "step down" ever, it will only be to save face rather than being sacked by the ECB.
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He doesn't need to step down from tests, but he really should slip quietly away from ODIs and let another come in.
I love him to death and think he will be England's highest ever test runs scorer.
But let's be honest - he doesn't warrant a place in the ODi side as a player or a captain.
It is time to take a decision to move the team on, we can't play ODis with 10 men.
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Cook is only 31, test captain and "leader" of England.
Anyone who thinks that in his shoes they would step down are not being true to themselves. No way would anyone give that, and the salary, up just because your performances aren't great.
If he does "step down" ever, it will only be to save face rather than being sacked by the ECB.
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Agreed
Very very very few have the guts to do the right thing if it affects them negatively.
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Sadly fellas, you are almost certainly correct. Indeed, it is almost certainly academic now anyway - the first match is only a few weeks away and most likely too late to make a significant change now. The really tricky thing about the whole situation for the poor captain is that even if he did stand down for one day cricket - there are those that would slate him for leaving in an hour of need. Tough times.
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You are absolutley right there.
My view as ive said before was the ECB management should of seen this situation coming last summer and dealt with it then
Because a lot of us supporting England did.
Who would of skippered? Morgan probably-not in form either but at least we would of had 11 'natural' one day player
Cook is one of our best ever cricketers,but not in the one day format
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He doesn't need to step down from tests, but he really should slip quietly away from ODIs and let another come in.
I love him to death and think he will be England's highest ever test runs scorer.
But let's be honest - he doesn't warrant a place in the ODi side as a player or a captain.
It is time to take a decision to move the team on, we can't play ODis with 10 men.
Cook might bag runs against sides like Bangladesh, but any side that has a good quality fast bowling line has him sorted out. He can't play off the front foot. Harris and Johnson will end his England career next summer.
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No guarantees for Cook.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/30468204?SThisEM
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Dry your eyes you loser.
You Poms love your limited ability, bottom of the barrel players.
What's it like being a pom hating moronic troll?
I've been watching your posts and you need to change the tune!
We are getting bored with your posts which are all about how bad anything British is!
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What's it like being a pom hating moronic troll?
I've been watching your posts and you need to change the tune!
We are getting bored with your posts which are all about how bad anything British is!
Couldn't have said it better myself Pete.
Gerry your a moron mate, a complete idiot and I know my words will mean nothing to bloke such as you but as a patriotic English man you have crossed the line on too many occasions as far as I'm concerned. I get each man supports his country but your arrogant beyond belief and too me are a deluded fool.m
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Getting slated by a pratt with a 1000 cricket bat? Jog on Pete.
As for 'how bad anything British is' - Scotland's Andy Murray and North Ireland's Rory McIlroy are both worth plenty of my time...
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So you're abusive to anyone and everyone who's not South African, then publicly attack one of the admin team, smart move there, especially when said admin was warning your for arseholish behaviour...
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Getting slated by a pratt with a 1000 cricket bat? Jog on Pete.
As for 'how bad anything British is' - Scotland's Andy Murray and North Ireland's Rory McIlroy are both worth plenty of my time...
The keyboard ninja continues
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Why does the amount of bats matter an odd thing to bring up
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Getting slated by a pratt with a 1000 cricket bat? Jog on Pete.
As for 'how bad anything British is' - Scotland's Andy Murray and North Ireland's Rory McIlroy are both worth plenty of my time...
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This statement confirms to me what Chris and Peter have written as being correct....
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So you're abusive to anyone and everyone who's not South African, then publicly attack one of the admin team, smart move there, especially when said admin was warning your for arseholish behaviour...
Reading not your strong point? Neither Murray nor McIlroy are South African....
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Reading not your strong point? Neither Murray nor McIlroy are South African....
Nibble!! ;) :D
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Forgive him guys. I have met many South Africans with chips on their shoulders. One at our club was given out LBW in the 5th over of the match and stormed off home in an infantile strop. Thanks Dickhead.
We want England to do well but their success or failure is not a reflection on us as people. However, to slate a nation based on a sporting sides success is a bit pathetic.
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Ah, classic Gerry. No life so comes on here for some entertainment.
SA must be the favourites to win the WC again. The likes of AB and Faf plus Amla, Stein, Morkle etc make for an awesome side. Sadly they will get knocked out in the semi's, hopefully by NZ, but I would love England to some how pull out a miracle and beat them.
Even if NZ don't do to well, at least I can walk down a back alley and know I won't be mugged and murdered, good luck doing that in South Africa.
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Ah, classic Gerry. No life so comes on here for some entertainment.
SA must be the favourites to win the WC again. The likes of AB and Faf plus Amla, Stein, Morkle etc make for an awesome side. Sadly they will get knocked out in the semi's, hopefully by NZ, but I would love England to some how pull out a miracle and beat them.
Even if NZ don't do to well, at least I can walk down a back alley and know I won't be mugged and murdered, good luck doing that in South Africa.
Good for you...
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i was always taught as a youngster growing up IF YOU HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY ABOUT ANYONE SAY NOTHING AT ALL.
Gerry SA please take NOTE
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Someone tell me how Cook retains his place and Bopara gets dropped! Seems to be one rule for cook and one for everyone else!
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Someone tell me how Cook retains his place and Bopara gets dropped! Seems to be one rule for cook and one for everyone else!
and why is Gurney in the team. We have established that he can't get it off the straight and goes round the park early doors. Bring back Jade!
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I presume todays changes are just for one last look at these two lads, rather than any reflections on what they feel is their strongest side.
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This bowling attack could go for 500+
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What do you guys reckon the ODI side for the 1st official World Cup game will be? (Yes, you can leave Cook out of your side)
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Are Anderson and Broad going to be fit? Thought Broad had an operation in September/oct.
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Not surprising bopara got dropped. He always seems to get dropped despite doing better than the others. England's odi player of the year for you!
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Bopara hasn't been dropped at all, he's in the world cup team and one of our better players
England want to have another look at Hales and rightly so, but instead of Cook sitting out,they have changed Bopara
Interesting reading BBC text this morning,they think it is possible Cook will go to the World Cup as captain but possibly not play himself in the strongest 11
which is an unusual way of thinking about selection but then England's selection does not make much sense lately to us fans.
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I can see an arguement for taking Cook and playing him against Aus/SA, where a good technique as well as ability will be tested. In the long run it can't be good to have a captain not in the XI but floating around the team.
Noble thing to do would be to resign the ODI captaincy and let the selectors pick him on merit (or not).
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I can see an arguement for taking Cook and playing him against Aus/SA, where a good technique as well as ability will be tested.
The problem with that is your basically saying to Hales or whoever replaces him is that we don't think you are good enough.
One player who has gone under the radar that I feel should be there is Balance, he was Yorkies best limited overs player, got picked for tests then shelved for ODI's....strange.
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agree entirely Stuey
how Balance cannot make the side is beyond any understanding
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Both England's wickets have been with filth and Sri Lanka looking untroubled at this stage.
Another dicking on the cards.
And what is Harry Gurney doing near an England squad, let alone playing?
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I'm hoping this means Bopara is a cert and they don't need to look at him again. Never been his biggest fan but recently has justified his selection. I feel he could be a player who keeps improving with age and is now one of the more experienced players to build a new team around. No need for Bell or Cook, Morgan and Bopara provide the experience to the batting order plus their more dynamic skill sets. Morgan does need to find some form though but with his pedigree I think he deserves a little longer
As for Gerry, can you just ban him please admin as he offers nothing constructive. If you behaved like he does in a pub you'd either be thrown out or knocked out
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The problem with that is your basically saying to Hales or whoever replaces him is that we don't think you are good enough.
One player who has gone under the radar that I feel should be there is Balance, he was Yorkies best limited overs player, got picked for tests then shelved for ODI's....strange.
Regarding Cook - I'm not saying Hales isn't good enough but given we seem to play 7/8 bowlers every game, there is a tactical arguement to bring Cook in to bolster the batting against the stronger bowling attacks.
Agree on Ballance, given he bats 3 in test cricket I can't see why he can't do the same job or open in ODI's.
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Clever from Moren to bowl Matthews there, as an offie I appreciated that.
Was village to appeal when he's bowled him though...
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Looks like a 300 run chase on the cards for England.....a little sweepstake for fun on Englands score?
I'll start the ball rolling.
A/O - 235
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Looks like a 300 run chase on the cards for England.....a little sweepstake for fun on Englands score?
I'll start the ball rolling.
A/O - 235
184 - bolstered by the tail
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226 A/O after 46.2 overs
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Think Cook will top score with about 70 but instantly get slagged off for being too slow - end up 50 short
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Complete buffet bowling. Utter crap
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I cant remember the last time someone scored a ton for us in a one dayer but today is the day to come good :)
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Ali bowled well 2 for 39 off 10
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I cant remember the last time someone scored a ton for us in a one dayer but today is the day to come good :)
You mean apart from Root only 2 ODI's ago and Moeen Ali in the first ODI of this series?
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oh yeah
god that's embarrassing
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256 AO
Cook - 21
Hales - 55
Ali - 32
Root - 43
etc. etc.
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2 hopes of chasing down 300, Bob and No
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2 hopes of chasing down 300, Bob and No
would of been ok had Sri Lanka declared after 35 overs and made a game of it. Where's the village cricket spirit when you need it?
Maybe we should stick to playing affiliates. Ireland - wait we lost to them, Netherlands - oh we lost to them as well
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I'm taking nothing away from Jayawardene's record in ODI's, as it is simply amazing.
However, is anyone else not a bit surprised at how low his average is and think it should be a bit higher for someone of his class? 33, especially playing in the sub-continent is slightly low I think. If this was up at 40 for around 400 innings, that's another 2,800 runs to his tally!
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I'm taking nothing away from Jayawardene's record in ODI's, as it is simply amazing.
However, is anyone else not a bit surprised at how low his average is and think it should be a bit higher for someone of his class? 33, especially playing in the sub-continent is slightly low I think. If this was up at 40 for around 400 innings, that's another 2,800 runs to his tally!
espeically given those flat Sri Lankan decks...
..oh sorry Alastair
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there's some interesting stuff being discussed on BBC text during the break. Stephen Brinkley does not strike me as someone qualified to write about cricket,he just looks like he ate all the cakes
But John Etheridge suggesting Alistair Cook is in 'terminal decline' is interesting
maybe something to discuss after lunch! :)
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Run a ball hundred from Cook to cement his place for the World Cup anyone?
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Cook dropped on 1
Ali golden duck
Hales is virtually opening today anyway.
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Ali can't just slog over extra all the time
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Pointless game anyway - used to give people a game.
England with no real chance of winning.
Hales coming in against the opening bowlers wearing a cap.
Cook there to captain, only batting up the order so he does something.
This match feels more like a Subday friendly than an ODI
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Pointless game anyway - used to give people a game.
Yeah, it has the feel of a friendly arranged to get Cook in the runs. This is the best cricket team in England, the strongest side should always be picked. Giving people a game is not for this level.
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Wild slog from hales.
Typical England, Taylor does well at 3, so let's move him down to 5. That will help his confidence
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Wild slog from hales.
Typical England, Taylor does well at 3, so let's move him down to 5. That will help his confidence
Agree, Hales at 3, Taylor to 5, Bopara dropped all to benefit the skipper who shows no sign of being a good ODI player. Probably not the best way to enthuse a collective team spirit before the WC.
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anyone backing AC to get a hundred here?
just throwing that out there... ???
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Probably will get a 100. Smart thinking from Sri Lanka really.
Win the series, let Cook have another shocking series, dead rubber let him score a 100 and keep his WC spot, makes the opposition weaker for the tournament!
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I fear that even if AC does score a hundred the old adage of "one swallow doen't make a summer" comes in to play. :D
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Cook had the audacity to stand there for that. Get off
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Taylor just gone. Struggling to say the least!!
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Cook has had a shocker. Someone else must get a chance! Whether they do any better is a different matter?!
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His luck run out finally.
Seeing cook in the side reminds me of a Cuckoo egg hatching in another birds nest. It looks all wrong and ungainly and refuses to budge at the expense of the rightful inhabitant.
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that's very funny! :)
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Showed Cook getting out in this series. Been done LBW 3 times, twice sweeping. Right on cue Morgan get's out in the same fashion.
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Only game in which Morgan has scored runs and looked like a batsman was when Cook was suspended, only time when Cook has scored runs is not this series or even year....should sum that up...watched highlights of all odi's last night (slow night) and the Game when Morgan was captain looked like the only game where England looked somewhat like a decent ODI side...outsiders point of view that's all...Don't know if Hales is the answer but he deserves a run of atleast 1 full series without the fear of being dropped to truly judge him...he probably feels a lot of pressure but also does not look fully ready yet, could just be due to insecurities.
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The guy that runs the corner shop just down the road from me is Sri Lankan and for the past weeks he has been taking the piss each time I go in! After todays performance he will have a field day!!! Awful Awful batting and a woeful bowling display so much too short and smashed away! I know they might have bowling plans etc but they seem so unwilling to change them once they are not working!
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Anyone see the Sky post match interview with Cook last night, he looked shot to me. The selectors need to whip him out of the ODI team and media spot light so he is ready for Ashes. He is a good bloke and test player, but the current situation is doing him no favours, nor our chances of beating the Aussies next summer.
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yeah Stuey, Cook is generally not popular and i'm sure you read social media...the subject of the most depressing stuff about an England captain since god knows when-there are so many so called experts who have to say something to get attention and justify their £100k a year Sky pays them(maybe some of that money could be invested back into grass roots)-personally as an England fan I see a bloke doing his best and trying to deveolp the team-the problem is he is not a natural in the role.but no one can question his guts or determination-the same qualities he shows in test match cricket are also his weakness-his inflexibility. Even half baked average county players like Simon Hughes are jumping on the bandwagon
I'm sure people are fed up with my posts but I soley blame the management,they lashed up KP's sacking and hid behind 'putting all our eggs in the AC basket'
Cook wont make it to the World Cup, he is knackered,worn out and fed up with the negativity
If we are not careful we will lose Cook the test player too,what are the management of England doing? are they really looking after his interests.....?
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Morgan for Captain, Colly as coach and bring back KP. Moores, Downton, Cook can be left to play with the test team.
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Morgan for Captain, Colly as coach and bring back KP. Moores, Downton, Cook can be left to play with the test team.
hold on.. I'd rather they play with the Limited overs rubbish than the test side!!!
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none of this is Cook's fault, it is entirely Giles Clarke and Paul Downton.
the whole thing is now very sad.
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none of this is Cook's fault, it is entirely Giles Clarke and Paul Downton.
the whole thing is now very sad.
I Dunno, Cook seems to have had the chance to stand up for what's best for English cricket and hasn't.. Dereliction of duty and so becomes partly to blame as well. He could have stood by KP against the ecb... He could have stepped down as ODI skipper.... He could speak openly and honestly to the public... None of this he's done. He's pandered to the ecb and so that is why he is as much to blame. If follow your boss even if you know it's wrong and you don't challenge it.. You are as much to blame as them.
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I Dunno, Cook seems to have had the chance to stand up for what's best for English cricket and hasn't.. Dereliction of duty and so becomes partly to blame as well. He could have stood by KP against the ecb... He could have stepped down as ODI skipper.... He could speak openly and honestly to the public... None of this he's done. He's pandered to the ecb and so that is why he is as much to blame. If follow your boss even if you know it's wrong and you don't challenge it.. You are as much to blame as them.
Rubbish, in my opinion. Why would you resign and lose all that match fee and captaincy money when it was the management decision to appoint you? No-one in their right mind would step down, especially when the person who would take over captaincy has performed even worse than yourself in the last 12 months.
Regarding the ECB, no-one really knows what goes on behind closed doors. Maybe there is part of Cook's contract that does not permit him to do or say anything without ECB approval.
When KP got himself sacked, if Cook had stood up for him, he might have gone as well.
If you want someone to blame, it is the management team that pick the captain and the team, you can't blame Cook.
Cook averages more than either Morgan or Hales.
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If you are not contributing and not worth your place in the side you lead by example by doing the right thing for the team and step down.
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If you are not contributing and not worth your place in the side you lead by example by doing the right thing for the team and step down.
And what do you rate by not contributing?
If he goes off his own back, could you say that Hales and Morgan should also say that they are not contributing?
What about Finn or Tredwell? Neither took more than 5 wickets over 5 games. That's not really contributing.
And Stokes failed with everything too.
So all those guys should step down?
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And what do you rate by not contributing?
If he goes off his own back, could you say that Hales and Morgan should also say that they are not contributing?
What about Finn or Tredwell? Neither took more than 5 wickets over 5 games. That's not really contributing.
And Stokes failed with everything too.
So all those guys should step down?
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None of them are captain. Also Finn, Tredwell, Stokes and Hales have all been dropped at some point in this series! (In any case, wickets are not necessarily an indicator of performance in ODIs) Morgan at least had one decent knock.
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Morgan won us a t20 in September as well.
To me the ECB wanted Moores back and Flower still involved, therefore KP had to go. Once the "runs" dried up - he was our leading run scorer in the ashes, they pushed him out so Moores could have an easy ride. Quite what part Cook played in all this I don't know. However he does seem to be the poster child for the new era and sacking him for being a rubbish ODI player would be admitting failure on the ECB's part. In turn it will raise questions about Moores performance, 12 months back in the job and he's lost all the ODI series he's played.
On balance I suspect Giles was kicked out as much for being Pro KP as his general performance, though losing to the Netherlands wasn't a great career move.
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Rubbish, in my opinion. Why would you resign and lose all that match fee and captaincy money when it was the management decision to appoint you? No-one in their right mind would step down, especially when the person who would take over captaincy has performed even worse than yourself in the last 12 months.
Regarding the ECB, no-one really knows what goes on behind closed doors. Maybe there is part of Cook's contract that does not permit him to do or say anything without ECB approval.
When KP got himself sacked, if Cook had stood up for him, he might have gone as well.
If you want someone to blame, it is the management team that pick the captain and the team, you can't blame Cook.
Cook averages more than either Morgan or Hales.
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respectfully agree to disagree. I believe if you are playing 'for the team' then you would do what is best for that team and quit/speak up etc.. ok, so he'd lose a bit of cash.. he's not poor!! a few k won't affect him either way. If he's that hell bent on money then he deserves everything he gets.
I know the Ecb are more to blame and I've said before that everyone involved in the ECB should go, anyone that's brought into their pathways etc over the last 8 years is also at fault. Cook however, you would hope would, as a player.. know what is really needed and would be unselfish enought o say so.. he doesn't rely after all on the ECB, if he went to the media and said 'they've kicked me out for speaking out', think of hte uproar.. the ECB couldn't have that. KP isn't liked by 50% of England fans and look at the mess that's had them in, imagine if Cook or someone liked spoke out.
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Not contributing scoring runs or taking wickets. Also we should stick with Finn Hales and Stokes and give them a run in the side as they are the future.
Morgan has shown he can be a ODI match winner.
Tredwell shouldn't really be in the side but who else is there ?.
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Tredwell is no better than Moeen really.
Could take Rashid instead.
Finn, Hales and Stokes have failed in this series, yet people are pushing them and not others.
Woakes and Jordan have performed better, IMO and therefore get first chance in the Aussie tri-nation tournament
Moeen
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Taylor
Root
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Bopara
Buttler
Broad
Woakes
Jordan
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Is my team of those who have done enough.
Anderson or another spinner. A middle order batsman and an opener are the vacant spots I feel.
I wouldn't take Cook, but I think it should be a management decision, like when the other players were dropped or rested.
I always like a couple of left-field squad picks too, like a seamer with no international experience (such as Brooks as an example) because it is a bit of an unknown to many players.
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Stolen your picks as a base and here's what I'd go for.
Batting order has changed slightly
Moeen
.Carberry
Taylor
Ballance
Rootcaptain
Bopara
ButtlerChris Read
Woakes
Jordan
Broad Chris Wood if broad isn't fit
.Briggs
Other 5 in squad
Buttler
Tredwell
Hales
Morgan
Finn
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Different formats different game... but.
Hales and Morgan are in the big bash. That's a nice few games on Australian wickets to try and get some form and practice before the WC and tri series.
May have been wise to try get more of the england squad in the big bash.
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Different formats different game... but.
Hales and Morgan are in the big bash. That's a nice few games on Australian wickets to try and get some form and practice before the WC and tri series.
May have been wise to try get more of the england squad in the big bash.
Shamelessly stolen from another thread:
Freddie Flintoff - Brisbane Heat
Kevin Pietersen - Melbourne Stars
Luke Wright - Melbourne Stars
Eoin Morgan - Sydney Thunder
Michael Lumb - Sydney Sixers
Alex Hales - Hobart Hurricanes
Tim Bresnan - Hobart Hurricanes
Michael Carberry - Perth Scorchers
Those 8 would be a pretty good start for an ODI side though...
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Those 8 alone would give our current 11 a run for its money.
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Telegraph reporting cook sacked and Morgan replaces as captain.
Hales to open and ballance to be added to squad that toured Sri Lanka.
So who's next for us and the press to get there teeth into for poor form? Morgan or hales??
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Both out of touch badly.
I'd not given captaincy to Morgan.
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Telegraph reporting cook sacked and Morgan replaces as captain.
Hales to open and ballance to be added to squad that toured Sri Lanka.
So who's next for us and the press to get there teeth into for poor form? Morgan or hales??
Morgan's recent run of form hasnt been much better than Cook's! However if he is officially made skipper then he'll be guaranteed for a bit yet. He has done well with the bat when leading England so hopefully that continues.
Hopefully signals a shift in attitude towards ODI's in general with a bit more dyancism and less of picking people based on their test form
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Root has practically no captaincy experience. I don't think a tough tri-series and a world cup in the position we are in is the best place to get a taste of international (or any really) captaincy really.
Morgan seems to perform when he's captain so a chance for him to regain form perhaps as well.