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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: 19reading87 on December 27, 2014, 05:28:46 PM
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I personally use 2 as I feel that way I don't strangle the bottom hand of the bat
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I either use 2 or 1 and a half depending on how im feeling about my cricket. They have to be thick ones though, can't be doing with a small/thin handle.
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Mind you my bat weighs in at 2.12 so perhaps thats why I prefer 2 thick grips, wonder if there is any correlation between weight and grips?
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Recently cut a GM Shock Absorpa in half to leave the thick part at the bottom of the handle and put a thinner grip over the top.. it looks a bit weird as the thickness shows through but feels quite good in the hands.. the big test will be in nets so will try it before either having 2 grips on including the Shock Absorpa...
Also have a bat with one of Marcus's Affinity Ayrtek grips which has a thicker coil near the bottom.. put one of Matt's H4L NV grips over the top and that combination feels and performs great... especially with NV Gloves...
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A single ripple grip with an extra layer of thick binding on the bottom half of the handle.
I feel this helps reduce me gripping too hard with my bottom hand, and doing that myself each time it's more consistent than half a grip, which will stretch to different lengths each and not sit in the same place on two bats. More control if I bind it myself than a "that'll do" job with a grip
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2 grips for me personally
mainly due to the fact it feels comfortable for me but also big factor is that on most of the bats i have ever had, 2 grips has helped the balance. :)
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A single ripple grip with an extra layer of thick binding on the bottom half of the handle.
I feel this helps reduce me gripping too hard with my bottom hand, and doing that myself each time it's more consistent than half a grip, which will stretch to different lengths each and not sit in the same place on two bats. More control if I bind it myself than a "that'll do" job with a grip
Just got some Grip Grip tape for the first time... got it at the old price of 6.99 but I believe it's 8.50 now in cricket suppliers with the new packaging.. i think someone bought the company or rights to produce it...
I think this although not binding will keep the grip underneath in place...
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I use two at the moment but I would like to find a weight to go on the end of the handle to see what one would be like with a weight! I found on online but it shipped from the usa and it was 30 dollars in shipping :(
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I have used 1 then 2 then 3 then 1 and a half and now I am back a 1 Salix hybrid style on bats that weight 2:9-2:10.
If it was heavier, I might consider more to help the pick up and/or feel.
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Two grips. Chevron on first and a octupus grip over the top.
This set up gives me the thickness I'm used to(used to because I borrowed a bat for a season from a man with gorilla sized hands)
And I prefer octupus to anything else for grip, if they are grippy enough to destroy gloves, there grippy enough to ensure I don't throw the bat for six.
This set up doesn't seem to ride the grips up either.
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2 usually a scale grip on top bottom one is generally thinner. Going to try one at the start of the season as that is currently how my net bat is. Thinking of trying binding the bottom half.
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I use two thick grips on my bat. A kookaburra max (the old one with the octopus) on the bottom, and a GM control on the top. The bat feels a lot more comfortable and don't get any vibrations through the handle
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Depends on the bat handle. On light bats I have one Slaz Octoplus grip with plain black diamond grip on top. Dampens any vibrations, thickens the grip nicely without adding the weight of a third grip and is very grippy.
On another bat i have one GM Shock Absorpa grip. Nice grip.
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1 very thin chevron, quite often I will thin handle as well, Helps me with control.
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1 thin grip generally chevron or a thin scale. but i do use a thick double bind for the whole handle. i like the light pick up a thicker handle gives but don`t like the `spongy feel` 2 grips give, the thin grip also helps maintain a good feel of the handle shape and bat which i like.
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2 grips for me, chevron on the bottom and a octopus on top.
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Just 1 gm ripple grip for me, have tried two grips in the past but found I didn't like the spongy feel
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Just the 1 for me, got really small hands!
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Just the one for me white chevron like a thin handle
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Just a single spiral grip set up for me.
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1 shevron thin grip with 1/4 long shevron grip underneath from top of bat handle to assist pickup tried lead tape at the top of the handle but cut bat grip seems to do the job equally as good if not better.
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Always 2 for me, usually whatever normal one turns up with the bat and a nice thick one on top. Prefer a thicker handle and less vibrations from the bat and the bat picks up better with two grips. Only change to this recently has been having 3 grips on my b3 as it came with a very thin handle, couldn't get on with it so chucked a third on, much better.
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Something I've been thinking about recently. (Should get out more.) Having fairly small hands, I'm used to one grip, and don't like the idea of losing a degree of control because of too much spongy rubber between my hands and the handle. But I've been thinking a thicker grip or two thin ones would help with pickup. My B3 came with a thin chevron, but I ordered a thicker Kook Xtreme Max as a replacement. Not sure whether to use this as a solo grip or stick it over the chevron. Thing is, surely the more layers of rubber that are between your hands and the handle, the greater the chance there is of the bat twisting, and therefore losing a degree of control? Thoughts?
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Never subscribed to the thinner handle/more control thing - better feel, ok if you prefer that, but more control? Doesn't make any sense to me. Rubber may not be solid, but whatever force you put into it must come out of the other side of it. I'd say I personally feel like I have more control and the bat is less likely to twist with more grips - more leverage from a thicker handle, plus the shock absorption from the rubber.
Don't understand why you think it's more likely to twist and lose control? Only thing I can think of is that you're maybe meaning the extra grip would lead to more flex? But that wouldn't lead to losing control, if anything because you have the extra thickness of rubber it could take a higher twisting force before causing you to lose grip, which is when you lose control. And if you can take more twisting force without losing grip, then your control over off-centre shots is logically better?
One thing I would say to anyone who's unsure about two grips - try it and have a good bat with it so you're used to it, then decide. I bet you never go back!
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Never subscribed to the thinner handle/more control thing - better feel, ok if you prefer that, but more control? Doesn't make any sense to me. Rubber may not be solid, but whatever force you put into it must come out of the other side of it. I'd say I personally feel like I have more control and the bat is less likely to twist with more grips - more leverage from a thicker handle, plus the shock absorption from the rubber.
Don't understand why you think it's more likely to twist and lose control? Only thing I can think of is that you're maybe meaning the extra grip would lead to more flex? But that wouldn't lead to losing control, if anything because you have the extra thickness of rubber it could take a higher twisting force before causing you to lose grip, which is when you lose control. And if you can take more twisting force without losing grip, then your control over off-centre shots is logically better?
More girth = less easy to get your whole hand round it.
Less girth = more easy to get your whole hand round it.
More of your hand round it, the more control you'll have.
Also I've seen bats go flying when there's been too many grips on and people can't control it properly, but never seen one thrown (while playing a shot at least) at club level...
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Standard s/h bat handles are to big as i Also have small hands and like to grip the bat so I always have bats made with as thin an handle possible but that leaves no weight in the handle to assist pickup.
Also prefer 1 thin grip for control and feel as having tried using thin handle and 2 grips for for pick and shock prevention it felt as if the bat was slipping and twisting also tried lead tape and thin pieces of lead flashing at the top of the handle under cut grips but found cut grip or grips under where I don't hold the bat at the top of the handle works well.
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More girth = less easy to get your whole hand round it.
Less girth = more easy to get your whole hand round it.
More of your hand round it, the more control you'll have.
Also I've seen bats go flying when there's been too many grips on and people can't control it properly, but never seen one thrown (while playing a shot at least) at club level...
Don't be daft! Maybe I just have bigger hands than I thought, but I could happily get mine round a handle with 4 or 5 grips on without losing control of it. Don't buy that for a second unless you have remarkably tiny hands, why not bat with chopstick thin handles then? If someone is fully throwing their bat I'd say the number of grips is probably not the main cause!
Maintain that 'control' is a misnomer here, logically it either makes no physical difference or as I said you could claim for a control advantage. Feel is a much better way of putting it - less absorption means you'll get more response from the bat, but control? No. Think of suspension on a car - do you have more 'control' with better suspension, or less? I can see why a certain type of player would want a more direct feel, personally I'm not really a touch player so much prefer the benefits of a thicker handle.
Do definitely suspect (not aimed at anyone on here before I offend) some people of saying they 'prefer a thinner handle for more control' because they think it makes them sound like a better batsman!
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Car suspension. A stiff dampened hard rate spring set up has more control at speed. But can cause trampling and bounce issues cruising.
A soft dampened low spring rate suspension has a much better feel and control at cruise long speeds but becomes bouncey at speed and to a point uncontrollable.
Different suspension does different job.
Maybe works for grips. A touch player needs a different set up and feel to a power hitter.
Hence why there are different shape and size handles and different style of grips.
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Always just use the one, but do prefer a thick handle anyway. TBH I don't think I'd buy one that I needed to put multiple grips on.
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Car suspension. A stiff dampened hard rate spring set up has more control at speed. But can cause trampling and bounce issues cruising.
A soft dampened low spring rate suspension has a much better feel and control at cruise long speeds but becomes bouncey at speed and to a point uncontrollable.
Different suspension does different job.
Maybe works for grips. A touch player needs a different set up and feel to a power hitter.
Hence why there are different shape and size handles and different style of grips.
Was more referring to the general principle of suspension as an example than aiming to go in depth, but definitely agree different handle/grip setups suit different types of players. However I'd say very few players are pure touch players or pure power hitters.
Main point really was in answer to the post asking about losing control with an extra grip - I don't believe you lose control, the difference is in feel from the bat, which is more of a personal thing and certainly something you can adjust to.
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Was more referring to the general principle of suspension as an example than aiming to go in depth, but definitely agree different handle/grip setups suit different types of players. However I'd say very few players are pure touch players or pure power hitters.
Main point really was in answer to the post asking about losing control with an extra grip - I don't believe you lose control, the difference is in feel from the bat, which is more of a personal thing and certainly something you can adjust to.
Put 12 thick grips on your bat and tell me if you have the same amount of control as you normally do...
It might not be as noticeable with 2 or three grips but it's a simple principal, if you can't grip it as tightly you'll have less control...
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Put 12 thick grips on your bat and tell me if you have the same amount of control as you normally do...
It might not be as noticeable with 2 or three grips but it's a simple principal, if you can't grip it as tightly you'll have less control...
Common sense really.
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Well obviously. Be sensible now. Carrots are very good for you, but if you eat too many you'll die of carotene poisoning! Extreme examples are a mostly waste of time - I could equally say trim your handle down to 10mm diameter and see how much control you have over the bat.
Unless your hands are properly tiny (maybe they are, who knows), adding 2-3mm to your handle clearly won't affect your ability to grip it. If you want to get into it, logically there must be a perfect size for optimum grip force, and a point at which it is too thick to grip properly. This clearly is not the same for all people, as people have different size and shape hands. Bat handles must be useable for people with the smallest hands, so clearly for the rest of us there is room to play with. Forget the biomechanics side of it, IF your hands are not so small that it causes you to lose control of the bat, having more shock absorption and more leverage at your point of contact with the bat will clearly enable you to hit the ball harder and more precisely. I'm assuming that someone unsure whether to use an extra grip isn't currently wavering on the point of losing control of their overly thick handle, so the idea of not being able to control a megahandle isn't too relevant.
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buy a few more bats and see what you like best.. then sell the rest of those lovely looking, ping tastic beasts on here at a discount :)
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Well obviously. Be sensible now. Carrots are very good for you, but if you eat too many you'll die of carotene poisoning! Extreme examples are a mostly waste of time - I could equally say trim your handle down to 10mm diameter and see how much control you have over the bat.
Unless your hands are properly tiny (maybe they are, who knows), adding 2-3mm to your handle clearly won't affect your ability to grip it. If you want to get into it, logically there must be a perfect size for optimum grip force, and a point at which it is too thick to grip properly. This clearly is not the same for all people, as people have different size and shape hands. Bat handles must be useable for people with the smallest hands, so clearly for the rest of us there is room to play with. Forget the biomechanics side of it, IF your hands are not so small that it causes you to lose control of the bat, having more shock absorption and more leverage at your point of contact with the bat will clearly enable you to hit the ball harder and more precisely. I'm assuming that someone unsure whether to use an extra grip isn't currently wavering on the point of losing control of their overly thick handle, so the idea of not being able to control a megahandle isn't too relevant.
You've pretty much argued a bit, contradicted yourself (in doing so agreeing with my point) then waffled on a bit saying it doesn't matter anyway.
Ever get the feeling you're going round in circles...
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Ok I'll make it simple for you bud - in my considered opinion, putting an extra grip on your bat gives you more 'control', not less. I posted this because someone asked for other peoples' thoughts. Yes, we're going round in circles a bit now, seems because you haven't put too much thought into it, just posted the same thing several times rather than reading and replying to anything I said. Would have been more interesting to get a proper reply to something I partly posted to spark a bit of debate, now you're just having a pop...
Don't see that I've contradicted myself, or said it doesn't matter? Yes I do agree with you that 12 grip megahandles are a bad idea, but don't agree that an extra grip gives you less control. It is possible to agree on some things and disagree on others you know... Will leave it there, apologies. :)
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A mega handles sound so cool though. Lekkas next big thing? Albeit renamed. x-megahandle-7896rd
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I wasn't having a pop at anyone, if I was you'd have known (and the swear filter would've been working overtime)! ;)
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ooooh! Get her, the big rufty-tufty!!! :)
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Personally, I think going with what is comfortable for you is the important thing, however many grips, whatever the shape, circumference, etc maybe. What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander...
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top hand handle circumference 11.5cm
bottom hand handle circumference 13cm
I add on 2 gm shock absorba grips
I cant seem to find a decent handle these days apart from some I got made
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i've started adding extra thick twine instead of spare grips.. get the extra thickness, with less weight. also, grips don't slip on each other.
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I did use two last year (herringbone under gm ripple). This year I've changed my handle setup to oval handles with a single ripple.
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also, grips don't slip on each other.
This is what I was trying to get at when I said there must be a point at which you start to lose some degree of control - because of 'grip slippage'.
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Like John above, I like the handle to be a certain thickness, so will play with the handle/grips to make it comfortable.
Some bats come with thin handles, others thicker... There is no exact answer.
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I have small hands, I take youth size gloves which is a bonus. therefore I only have 1 grip. I. Have found SS to have particularly small diameter handles so,I would understand the average person wanting to pack these out. It is all personal taste though. You wouldn't say a 2.7 bat is wrong as it's too light, so you can't say someone has too many/few grips.
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Round handle, 1 grip. I've been using Kook bats over the last year and developed a liking for their larger round handle, can't get on with an oval handle.
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I have always preferred / used two and a half grips, with the half being between the two full grips for the lower hand. Binding the lower half of the handle seems to be the modern way to achieve a similar effect these days and I can see why.
Why 2.5 grips... some say it helps with the balance of the bat, although it does add more weight of course. I simply prefer a larger handle for my bottom (right) hand. I feel I can use a lighter / two-fingers & a thumb grip when required, but also something substantial to grab hard (oooh-er Mrs) when giving it some long handle... And maybe it is similar to how a batsman feels when looking down at a really think / large bat, giving more confidence some say, I feel similar to handle size...
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Thick - not think....
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Depends on the size of the handle for me - I'm after a grip that feels comfortable in my hands more than anything else.
On my SS I use two grips - a Chevron on the bottom with my favorite grip on top.
On my Laver I use three grips as the handle is so small.
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Opening this again to see anymore, and more for the fact I hadn't seen how many votes it had received haha
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3, two chevron and a GM Ripple. normally use two but Newberys handles are far to slim line for me.
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I've recently refurnished a couple of bats for a teammate.
On an old powerbow he had 3 chevrons, on a GM Six6 he had a ripple grip with a chevron on top.
When I asked if there was any reason behind this he just said "it feels right in my hands". He doesn't have a certain setup, but rather the feel in his hands.
Another case of us forumites over-complicating things?
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I myself do prefer thin grip because i am very wristy like navjot singh sidhu. You guys should watch navjot singh sidhu batting masterclass.