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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: Gerry SA on January 23, 2015, 08:55:30 PM
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Mohammad Amir set to resume cricket career, could in theory playing for Pakistan in England next summer...
http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/823369.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/823369.html)
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Mohammad Amir set to resume cricket career, could in theory playing for Pakistan in England next summer...
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/823369.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/823369.html[/url])
Should never play again. You can't trust any game he is involved in. Doesn't matter how young he was.. You know what the rules are, simple as that. Makes a mockery tbh.
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I'm personally fully with the idea of reintegration with the game if possible, especially at such a young age where under the influence of multiple senior players. Will be interesting to see if he can still keep up near the potential he had.
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Hopefully the BarmyArmy sing songs about no balls...
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He served his ban. So if he's good enough let him return.
You can guarantee he'll be etched very carefully mind. So if he does succumb I believe he'll be found out quick enough.
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Cheating (No Swearing Please) should never be allowed to play again.
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I would normally say all match fixers should have life bans,lou Vincent,butt and asif and the rest...
But the issue with Amir is at 18 or 19 years old if there is no rehabilitation for him then we are in a society that fails Young people-whether they are sportsmen or not
From what I know of the case butt and asif were the main two-Butt being Amir's captain he would of done what he was told.Butt if I'm not mistaken comes from a rich background and Amir from a poor one...
None of that excuses what he and the others did,it's just whether he deserves another chance...
Just my thoughts I expect others to disagree....
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I would normally say all match fixers should have life bans,lou Vincent,butt and asif and the rest...
But the issue with Amir is at 18 or 19 years old if there is no rehabilitation for him then we are in a society that fails Young people-whether they are sportsmen or not
From what I know of the case butt and asif were the main two-Butt being Amir's captain he would of done what he was told.Butt if I'm not mistaken comes from a rich background and Amir from a poor one...
None of that excuses what he and the others did,it's just whether he deserves another chance...
Just my thoughts I expect others to disagree....
So he comes back, earns mega bucks.. Not much of a punishment really. Worth the risk if you know there is a chance you can come back anyway
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Whether you're 18 or 80 Amir committed a crime, he should get punished eg life ban.
If I walked down the road and killed someone, the judge wouldn't go 'oh I'll let you off because you're X years old'.
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given that the fake sheikhs has been proved a con man and that the cps are having to re-look at the case.
I have some sympathy for him in this case. Butt and Asif I have none..
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Not sure if they are looking at historical cases though buzz, just stuff that was active.
Given he has a criminal record in the UK would he not be denied a visa to enter the country?
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IMO Allowing him back sends out the wrong message..
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Whether you're 18 or 80 Amir committed a crime, he should get punished eg life ban.
If I walked down the road and killed someone, the judge wouldn't go 'oh I'll let you off because you're X years old'.
No, but you'd get a jail sentence and when/if that's ended you'd get some form of rehabilitation back into society.
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No, but you'd get a jail sentence and when/if that's ended you'd get some form of rehabilitation back into society.
I'd like to see a murderer get rehabilitation into society...
Anyway Amir doesn't deserve to return. Once a cheat always a cheat
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While I agree with the sentiments I also acknowledge that he did serve his sentence. Your issues are with the law makers and enforcers i.e. ICC and PCB.
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I'd like to see a murderer get rehabilitation into society...
Anyway Amir doesn't deserve to return. Once a cheat always a cheat
Although I don't necessarily agree with either of your points here, if you likened cricket to society is match fixing seriously an equivalent of murder...?
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Just playing devils advocate... Perhaps he is not as well educated as others from more developed nations and perhaps he has witnessed much greater poverty than most can imagine either growing up or that family members are currently living in.
If these factors are true then you can see how an impressionable young lad being told by his well esteemed captain that he could earn relatively a lot of money for just a couple of 'minor' things you can see how he could become embroiled in it all.
What he did was undoubtedly wrong, but will there be a a more scrutinised player in world cricket?
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Although I don't necessarily agree with either of your points here, if you likened cricket to society is match fixing seriously an equivalent of murder...?
Conning people out of money isn't the same as murder, but it still ruins lives.
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im glad they are allowing him back. what he did was wrong he pleaded guilty and served his punishment and did everything that was asked of him. everyone makes mistakes however if he does anything again he should be banned for life.
i think amir is different to the other two in that he pleaded guilty and admitted he made a mistake
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Not sure if they are looking at historical cases though buzz, just stuff that was active.
Given he has a criminal record in the UK would he not be denied a visa to enter the country?
I hope it's true and the authorities don't allow him off it just because he plays sport. Would be interested to know if this is true or not.
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I think amir is different to the other two in that he pleaded guilty and admitted he made a mistake
Thats why people have sympathy for him because he accepted what he did.
On another note if you look at Dwain Chambers got banned for doping but once his ban was finished he was allowed to race again even represented us at the Olympic's.
You gotta give him another chance
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Thats why people have sympathy for him because he accepted what he did.
On another note if you look at Dwain Chambers got banned for doping but once his ban was finished he was allowed to race again even represented us at the Olympic's.
You gotta give him another chance
Easy to admit when you are caught and up crap stream without a paddle..
As for the running druggie, he shouldn't have represented GB. Whats the deterrent then? If you know that IF you get caught (and I bet the Icc catch few ), you may get a record (means nothing as you'll be minted anyway and allowed to tour still).. Miss a few years sport (hardly bad, you're minted).. Then welcomed back into the well paid sport to ocntinue... Sounds like a win win tbh. Or at the least, worth the risk.. Exactly what it shouldnt be.. You want to basically scare the life out of players/coaches so they won't risk it.
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To be honest although slightly off topic, although it does come into it, when you say minted I doubt Pakistani internationals earn anywhere near the likes of English and Australian players, then you consider the fact that they're not allowed to play in the IPL either.
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To be honest although slightly off topic, although it does come into it, when you say minted I doubt Pakistani internationals earn anywhere near the likes of English and Australian players, then you consider the fact that they're not allowed to play in the IPL either.
Having spent time out there, they'll love like kings.. Don't worry about that
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Just on an informative basis here, the daily mail estimated their central contracts to be worth just over 5% of that of England and Australian players. I've got to admit I don't have much more knowledge other than what I've researched such as that so I can't debate much more in that area (Although I still find it fairly irrelevant).
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Just on an informative basis here, the daily mail estimated their central contracts to be worth just over 5% of that of England and Australian players. I've got to admit I don't have much more knowledge other than what I've researched such as that so I can't debate much more in that area (Although I still find it fairly irrelevant).
Factor in a lower cost of living in Pakistan
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Yep, not really an expert in that area so can't comment any more on it really. I still feel rehabilitation of some kind is the best and most suitable route to go though in my opinion.
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Just on an informative basis here, the daily mail estimated their central contracts to be worth just over 5% of that of England and Australian players. I've got to admit I don't have much more knowledge other than what I've researched such as that so I can't debate much more in that area (Although I still find it fairly irrelevant).
Maybe we over pay?!?!?
Their living costs are completely different, so you can't really compare.
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Just for my two penny's worth asif and butt relentlessly denied the allegations for appeal after appeal.only when they all failed did they admit they did it...does that matter? I think it does...coming from a poor background is not justification for taking money for cheating...it's background to maybe understanding why he did what he did.
I wonder how many of this forum would want a life ban for mervyn westfield?
Was he naive? Yes.was it against all the morals of sport? Yes absolutley was he played like a fiddle by kaneria? I'm sure he was
To my knowledge Westfield did not get the 6 grand paid to him,he agreed to bowl the wides or whatever it was but didn't actually bank the cash.
Is that a life ban or just a stupid decision that should have the right punishment...
The lawmakers make the law,we can all have an opinion of course....but sentencing but public opinion is a very dodgy area
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We know our justice system stinks tbh
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Whether you're 18 or 80 Amir committed a crime, he should get punished eg life ban.
If I walked down the road and killed someone, the judge wouldn't go 'oh I'll let you off because you're X years old'.
No but the judge would take into account your age and influences you may have had as a factor.
It's the same with Ched Evans, just let them play.
PCB (hopefully) don't pick him again for political reasons with ECB and BCCI.
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If he served a punishment meted out by a law/governing body he's free to do whatever he wants. If he still has talent PCB can pick him. This is one off a case where he was young and could come back after the ban as he is still not too old. For most of them who would serve the ban would have their career finished in 5 years. Anybody who serves their sentence are allowed to come back to society and try to make a life if they still can (though going gets really tough and rightly so).
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Who cares, icc is a weak organisation as compared to football organisation, there are still corrupt matches going on the planet but cant do a jack with them, PLZ change this phrase " Cricket is a gentleman game " .
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Maybe we over pay?!?!?
Their living costs are completely different, so you can't really compare.
Knowing and being acquaintances with several current and former Pakistani internationals through family, I reckon I can say with relative confidence that they live very similarly to an average income earner here in Australia. I'm not going to speculate as to wages but living style is similar, maybe a little worse off given the situation of living in a third world country with terrible crime rates and whatnot.
Amir was born into and has seen poverty that the vast majority of us Westerners could not even start to imagine. It's very easy to understand how an impressionable, wide eyed 18 year old could get caught up in all of this. As for his criminal history and the sentence and return, he shouldn't be given easy treatment because he's a sportsman but then again he should be allowed back as normal, as normally as someone returning from injury or not doing their homework, in Australia's case :P . On top of the fact that he admitted his mistake and plead guilty as opposed to the other two.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/pakistan/11349445/Mohammad-Amir-Mohammad-Asif-and-Salman-Butt-convictions-put-under-Crown-Prosecution-Service-review.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/pakistan/11349445/Mohammad-Amir-Mohammad-Asif-and-Salman-Butt-convictions-put-under-Crown-Prosecution-Service-review.html) looks like buzz was right and I was wrong. Looks like their case is being looked at by the CPS
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Reading the story the pcb want him back for domestic cricket as he cannot play internationals till end of his ban in sept
But there season finishes soon so his representatives will look for him to play county cricket in England
Be a brave county who takes him on but I do believe in rehabilitation of not what is the point in sentences just give life sentences for every crime
With the uk visa he will be fine next year as 5 years has passed since sentencing so no exclusion as less than 12 months served in prison
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There's is a spanner in the works for all 3 of them bans and convictions and it's all thanks to ndubz!! Lol.
Meanwhile, the Crown Prosecution Service in the United Kingdom is reviewing the convictions of all three Pakistan Test cricketers.
They were convicted at Southwark Crown Court on evidence given by journalist Mazher Mahmood, otherwise known as the 'Fake Sheikh'.
The cases against a number of footballers investigated over alleged match-fixing were dropped after doubts were raised about testimony given by Mahmood.
Last July a case against singer and TV star Tulisa Contostavlos collapsed when the judge thought prosecution witness Mahmood had lied in giving evidence.
So amusingly, despite them all admitting there guilty. There could be no actual convictions on the record for this crime.
Weather that changes the ice stance or not is a different matter.
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So amusingly, despite them all admitting there guilty. There could be no actual convictions on the record for this crime.
That really is odd isn't it? I believe in Tulisa's case one of her associates pleaded guilty to supplying drugs (or something like that) and still was let off due to the evidence from the fake sheikh. From watching the panorama thing on him i find it hard anyone would ever fall for it, he's got a brummie accent. Not sure how many sheikhs are from Birmingham ???
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I'm glad he's back, he was an unreal talent and I feel that he would definitely have been leaned on. You have to remember how corrupt and bias the PCB is. You see and hear of many great talents who never get near the subcontinent international sides due to politics etc, and this kids skipper was telling him bowl no balls. He may well have been happy to take the money but I'm sure he was being complicit in order to ensure his continuing place in the side.
I also believe in the rehabilitation system. If we as people refuse criminals a second chance, then why do we even bother with incarceration? Why not just take them out the back of the court once found guilty and dispatch them? Yes, I also believe Ched Evans should be allowed to continue his football career.
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That really is odd isn't it? I believe in Tulisa's case one of her associates pleaded guilty to supplying drugs (or something like that) and still was let off due to the evidence from the fake sheikh. From watching the panorama thing on him i find it hard anyone would ever fall for it, he's got a brummie accent. Not sure how many sheikhs are from Birmingham ???
Could be lots. Anyone related by any bloodline to any Sheikh is considered to be one, no matter how tenuous the link is.