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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: i12breakfree on February 07, 2015, 01:15:32 PM
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First warm up game starts today India Vs Aus in about 14 hours
http://espn.go.com/espncricket2015/matches/806115/india-vs-australia-warm-match (http://espn.go.com/espncricket2015/matches/806115/india-vs-australia-warm-match)
Here is a copy of schedule that i am using
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Not too sure why sky aren't showing the warm up games since 4 are being broadcasted including both of England's
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Our they available on Fox or anywhere else?
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We get 30 min highlights. .......
Sky obviously prefer to pocket high profits than supply the paying punter with anything other than repeats.
Anyone comes across streams for the warm ups. Please do share.
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I normally use Crictime.com
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I normally use Crictime.com
Nice will bookmark that one.
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We get 30 min highlights. .......
Sky obviously prefer to pocket high profits than supply the paying punter with anything other than repeats.
Anyone comes across streams for the warm ups. Please do share.
Here in USA ESPN is making profit by charging $100 for showing the tournament.
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Just cancelled our sky sports subscription as it was effectively costing £40 a month to watch the cricket (which was mostly repeats anyway!), anyone know anywhere else to watch the Workd Cup?
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Just go on crictime.com I think they're showing the warm up games aswell
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Just cancelled our sky sports subscription as it was effectively costing £40 a month to watch the cricket (which was mostly repeats anyway!), anyone know anywhere else to watch the Workd Cup?
Plenty of other boxes available including IPTV and "those" satellite boxes
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Ind vs Aus - Aus easily cruising thru with commentators loving the size of warner's bat.
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Warner bat, again?!!! Warner's bat is like a crazy ex-girlfriend that keeps turning up!
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Not watching the game just getting live scores.....this must be a) A belter of a deck b) terrible Indian bowling or c) both a and b.
Should be a massive score set here
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They also said India have been in Australia for over 3 months - must be long enough for citizenship :) ,it will be nearly 5 by the time the cup is over if they meet New Zealand in the final,better get used to it I suppose if they along with England are just going to play each other all the time $$$
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371 all out aus. Maxwell 122 of 57 balls and retired. Warner with 104.
Indians 180 for 6 currently with 18 left. Only rahane with 66 troubled the scorers
Indians score rules out batting deck? Or have they really really just become so poor at odis?
Apart from rahane of course. He seems to be going well in aus
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2 strong batting lineups but Australia have a strong bowling lineup aswell.
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Small boundaries?
http://www.icc-cricket.com/cricket-world-cup/videos/media/id/3146/m01-warmup-aus-vs-ind-maxwell-innings (http://www.icc-cricket.com/cricket-world-cup/videos/media/id/3146/m01-warmup-aus-vs-ind-maxwell-innings)
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Are these warm up games official ODIs?
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No according to the commentators.
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Awesome biffing and some lovely inventive shots. Pull those boundaries back by 20ms at least.
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Maxwell seems in control more when he just reins it in a touch and looks for 4s not just 6s, i reckon he's going to score a fair few this WC.
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Are these warm up games official ODIs?
14 a side game.
Think a few records could be made against some of the minnows this world cup
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So Maxwell still doesn't have a "proper" hundred for Australia, maiden ODI century for him on the cards this World Cup.
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So Maxwell still doesn't have a "proper" hundred for Australia, maiden ODI century for him on the cards this World Cup.
KP's helped him recapture form and you can see him smashing the minnows all over the place. You could see him doing an AB
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I can see the weaker teams in the group (Afghanistan, Scotland, Bangladesh & England) getting smashed to all corners by the likes of Warner, Finch, Maxwell, McCullum, Corey Anderson & Ronchi
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Windies 127 all out Woakes 5 for 19
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Pitch has grass on it. What were Windies thinking. Woakes made fast work of Gayle et-al.
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Australia will humiliate Woakes again when the proper matches start.
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Australia will humiliate Woakes again when the proper matches start.
Woakes has two ODI 6-fers and seems to pick up wickets regularly.
Yet somehow I'm still not convinced by him as an international player...
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The problem I think Woakes has is that his action allows the batsman to see the ball all the way. Very good bowlers will still get wickets as I think his action is of a similar type to McGrath, unfortunately, Woakes is not even in the same league as Glenn! You have to be super accurate with an action like that I think or seriously quick, Woakes is not currently either, however he will have his good days when he is accurate as shown in his 5-fors.
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Getting a couple of 6fers in ODIs hardly indicates Woakes is anything other than ordinary. Woakes often gets slapped around then picks up cheap wickets at the end of the innings when batsmen are slogging.
Look at the best ODI bowlers in recent times Brett Lee, Shane Bond, Mitchell Starc etc they actually get batsmen out.
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not sure anyone is comparing Woakes to Lee, Bond Starc etc...!
how about picking on other teams rather than our mediocre team for a change!!
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not sure anyone is comparing Woakes to Lee, Bond Starc etc...!
how about picking on other teams rather than our mediocre team for a change!!
Could target India, but not enough time in the day once I'd get started...
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Look at the best ODI bowlers in recent times Brett Lee, Shane Bond, Mitchell Starc etc they actually get batsmen out.
Just thought I'd point out that 65% of Starcs wickets come from the top 6 compared to 69% of Woakes' wickets and they have a similar rate of getting batsman out when set and presumably starting to tune up with 18% and 19% of their wickets coming when a batsman has passed 40. Just a few interesting stats, not suggesting they show anything conclusive.
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Just thought I'd point out that 65% of Starcs wickets come from the top 6 compared to 69% of Woakes' wickets and they have a similar rate of getting batsman out when set and presumably starting to tune up with 18% and 19% of their wickets coming when a batsman has passed 40. Just a few interesting stats, not suggesting they show anything conclusive.
Woakes could still get top order wickets when getting slapped around. If the opposition are only 2/3 down heading into the last 10 overs, then yes Woakes is still getting the top order out...
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However if the opposititon are only 2 down going into the last 10 you would expect the vast majority of the time for the currently in batsmen to be relatively well set.
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Woakes could still get top order wickets when getting slapped around. If the opposition are only 2/3 down heading into the last 10 overs, then yes Woakes is still getting the top order out...
Out of his last 15 odi wickets, only 3 came in the overs 40-50. Of which zero were top order batsman.
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However if the opposititon are only 2 down going into the last 10 you would expect the vast majority of the time for the currently in batsmen to be relatively well set.
The in batsmen correctly would be set, but the new guys walking in swinging from the hip wouldn't be.
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The in batsmen correctly would be set, but the new guys walking in swinging from the hip wouldn't be.
Which would result in Woakes getting a noticeably higher amount of wickets when batsman are under 40 runs surely?
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Watched a bit of this warm up. Thought it was pretty pointless for both teams playing on a green top. Not going to get many Green tops this World Cup.
The Aussies pulling another fast one.
Even bopara was getting the ball to move.
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Lets hope SA don't choke in this tournament!
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yeah, england won.. wooo, they are awesome, they've got really good.. gonna win the WC.. wooo
Oh wait, they beat one of the worst sides around currently in a meaningless game... oh well.. wooooo Engl won.. wooooo
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Lets hope SA don't choke in this tournament!
Whether that happens or not, we'll be happy in the knowledge we are better than England #YoureWelcome
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Whether that happens or not, we'll be happy in the knowledge we are better than England #YoureWelcome
Couldn't you focus on being better than a decent team like Ireland or Bangladesh?
You secretly love the English, don't you!
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Good teams will use these warm up games to finalize their tactics and build confidence. Windies did a brave thing by batting first but did not have a good plan; even if they did have one, they couldn't execute. Such an outing is not a confidence builder.
Good for England for getting some plans right.
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Can't wait for Ind vs Pak - the EPIC battle for second-last place
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Watching the highlights.. My god WI are poor. They should be embarrassed to call themselves professional players Wight hat showing. England weren't exactly awesome..
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Watching the highlights.. My god WI are poor. They should be embarrassed to call themselves professional players Wight hat showing. England weren't exactly awesome..
They should just have a tri-series (Aus, SA, NZ) to decide the world champions
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Then associates would be left out and cricket, internationally, would be reduced to just 8-10 countries.
Let there be an upset...AFG? IRL? ZIM?
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2019 ICC World Cup will only feature 10 teams. So no more assosciates
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Really, wow! Will there be a qualifying round to give associates an opportunity to play in the World Cup? I think it is not a very good thing to do if you want to grow the size of the cricketing world.
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Dhawan bowled - India 7-1. Afg team off a good start.
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Really, wow! Will there be a qualifying round to give associates an opportunity to play in the World Cup? I think it is not a very good thing to do if you want to grow the size of the cricketing world.
I think its a bit of a catch 22. The current world cup I think is 44 days which in itself is much longer than the football (or soccer depending on where you live) world cup at 32 days, and that is a truly global game with 32 teams playing (and more than a 100 others wishing they were a part of it). In cricket it is essentially always been 8 for a long time, and in general most likely those 8 will go through to the quarters (WI might be an exception this time on form).
I think I read it somewhere that they could have had 4 groups of 4 (ie add 2 more teams) and still had a shorter world cup if structured correctly (the 2007 one was longer at 49 days). One of the reasons it has been structured as 2 x 7 is to avoid the 2007 situation (which was 4 groups) where India and Pakistan failed to make it past the group stages. In the next cup presumably that will mean 2 pools x 5 nations each - almost kinda beats the point. Might as well start off with quarters and the top 8 and be done with it :D
From the point of growing the game I think the 16 teams and the 4 x 4 format was a good idea. The problem is probably something like 80 per cent (likely more) of the viewing audience and the revenue comes from the subcontinent (majority from India), so they are kind of forced to ensure those nations get through to the elimination stages at least.
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Kohli gone, India 16-2. Good bowling by Afg bowlers. Associate team is doing well so far, gents. :D
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I think its a bit of a catch 22. The current world cup I think is 44 days which in itself is much longer than the football (or soccer depending on where you live) world cup at 32 days, and that is a truly global game with 32 teams playing (and more than a 100 others wishing they were a part of it). In cricket it is essentially always been 8 for a long time, and in general most likely those 8 will go through to the quarters (WI might be an exception this time on form).
I think I read it somewhere that they could have had 4 groups of 4 (ie add 2 more teams) and still had a shorter world cup if structured correctly (the 2007 one was longer at 49 days). One of the reasons it has been structured as 2 x 7 is to avoid the 2007 situation (which was 4 groups) where India and Pakistan failed to make it past the group stages. In the next cup presumably that will mean 2 pools x 5 nations each - almost kinda beats the point. Might as well start off with quarters and the top 8 and be done with it :D
From the point of growing the game I think the 16 teams and the 4 x 4 format was a good idea. The problem is probably something like 80 per cent (likely more) of the viewing audience and the revenue comes from the subcontinent (majority from India), so they are kind of forced to ensure those nations get through to the elimination stages at least.
Well, revenue and catering to subcontinental teams will open another can of worms. Sports has to grow, regardless, which means encouraged participation of "enthusiastic" Afghans, Irish et-al. If an associate knocks out a full-member, more power to the associate and more work for the full-member. We should give cricket audiences some credit for maturity - I am sure they will thoroughly appreciate an upset and leave a loud message ("get your effing act togther") to their players via stones, rocks, and other assorted tools for expressing displeasure. :D
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Well, revenue and catering to subcontinental teams will open another can of worms. Sports has to grow, regardless, which means encouraged participation of "enthusiastic" Afghans, Irish et-al. If an associate knocks out a full-member, more power to the associate and more work for the full-member. We should give cricket audiences some credit for maturity - I am sure they will thoroughly appreciate an upset and leave a loud message ("get your effing act togther") to their players via stones, rocks, and other assorted tools for expressing displeasure. :D
Agree entirely with what you have said in principle. If the associates have beaten them fair and square, that is in fact a great result for cricket as a whole. Unfortunately the focus will be on the immediate loss of revenue (for both the ICC and the BCCI) if say India in particular were to go out (as in 2007) in the group stages and hence that is something they would look to prevent as much as possible (as they are have done here).
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Kohli gone, India 16-2. Good bowling by Afg bowlers. Associate team is doing well so far, gents. :D
India
94/2 17 overs
Some recovery from India
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Back to the cricket now - what's up with Kohli, another failure. Out for just 5. His one day form so far has been the exact opposite of what he did in the tests.
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Agree entirely with what you have said in principle. If the associates have beaten them fair and square, that is in fact a great result for cricket as a whole. Unfortunately the focus will be on the immediate loss of revenue (for both the ICC and the BCCI) if say India in particular were to go out (as in 2007) in the group stages and hence that is something they would look to prevent as much as possible (as they are have done here).
That's short term thinking; reality is Indian market is not going anywhere. There are other markets with big financial benefits like North America where US and CAN teams could generate buzz for the sport in the World Cup venue. Soccer (football) in the US is a great example which has come a long way in last 15-20 years. I am sure FIFA is not complaining either. ICC's idea of commercial attraction is shorter boundaries, two new balls, and field restrictions. That is just idiotic.
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Dhoni looks woefully out of form. Surprised rohit batted so long and didn't retire after passing a 100 to give someone else a go like maxwell did last game.
Can't see any of the minnows beating the big teams this World Cup. Just see records being smashed and a chance of a few 200s being scored
Much rather prefer the top 8 teams playing each other once, with the best 4 going through to the semi's
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That's short term thinking; reality is Indian market is not going anywhere. There are other markets with big financial benefits like North America where US and CAN teams could generate buzz for the sport in the World Cup venue. Soccer (football) in the US is a great example which has come a long way in last 15-20 years. I am sure FIFA is not complaining either. ICC's idea of commercial attraction is shorter boundaries, two new balls, and field restrictions. That is just idiotic.
Again agree completely, it is short term thinking entirely. Imagine if it took off in the US or China for example. Almost every other sport is trying to move into new markets (a recent example I can think of being the NFL in London). I just think that is how the ICC is going with this. How else do you justify chopping it down to 10 teams. I think going back to 16 teams and a 4 x 4 structure would have made more sense. It is idiotic and detrimental for the long term future of the sport.
I know some might argue that the games with the associates will likely be lopsided and of little interest to most at present. That may be true in that many may not care. But everybody needs to start somewhere, and it takes a long term view (say 15 to 20 years) to really try and grow a sport beyond its traditional markets. If you give these countries exposure to the big guys on the big stage, they have something to look forward to and continue their development. If you shun them and say they are not good enough, then why bother.
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Ireland working hard to take the best collapse trophy off Windies and England this WC - 10 for 60 today.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/engine/match/806127.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/engine/match/806127.html)
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Ireland working hard to take the best collapse trophy off Windies and England this WC - 10 for 60 today.
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/engine/match/806127.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-cricket-world-cup-2015/engine/match/806127.html[/url])
Did they not also lose to a state side last week?
Yet Joyce was complaining that Ireland should play more international cricket.
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Did they not also lose to a state side last week?
Yet Joyce was complaining that Ireland should play more international cricket.
Don't discount Ireland.
One of the biggest problem for associates is we don't get to play against test playing nations and it does have a big impact on funding, popularity and competitiveness of the matches. There is a lot cricket being in North America but it is consistently below par (compared to bigger cricketing nations) and under funded, change that and share more revenue then see countries come up and kick some butts.
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Rohit Sharma, real deal or flat track bully?
Just looking at his last few outings in an Indian ODI shirt... 264, 9, 138, 8, 150. Feast or famine seems to be the extent of his ODI record. Someone who has cashed in on the harder (due to 2 new balls) non swinging balls, short boundaries and fielding restrictions or a proper talent who has kicked on?
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Rohit Sharma, real deal or flat track bully?
Just looking at his last few outings in an Indian ODI shirt... 264, 9, 138, 8, 150. Feast or famine seems to be the extent of his ODI record. Someone who has cashed in on the harder (due to 2 new balls) non swinging balls, short boundaries and fielding restrictions or a proper talent who has kicked on?
He is India's answer to Ian Bell ;)
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There is a lot cricket being in North America but it is consistently below par (compared to bigger cricketing nations) and under funded, change that and share more revenue then see countries come up and kick some butts.
This probably applies to India, who by all accounts are loaded.
Most of the other test nations are in the same boat and need the money they generate. In terms of revenue the ECB might be the next biggest but I would hardly think they are rolling in it. They will probably need every penny to get participation back up and fix club cricket in the UK. I guess the test nations would argue they have never had handouts given to them to develop their infrastructure, so why should they take a pay cut for the associates? Of course more should be done if the ICC want cricket to develop cricket outside the Commonwealth countries, but India are the big earners and it would probably need to come out of their pot.
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He is India's answer to Ian Bell ;)
That's close to Slander lol
105 test matches and 7,000 test runs probably put Bell well out of the frame for Rohit lookalike!
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/9062.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/9062.html)
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That's close to Slander lol
105 test matches and 7,000 test runs probably put Bell well out of the frame for Rohit lookalike!
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/9062.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/9062.html[/url])
Forget stats I am speaking more about the frustration and anger these players cause to the supporters. So much talent but you cannot depend on them now can you!! Rohit is a no show at test level, at ODI they are equal i would say...again no stats just perception.
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This probably applies to India, who by all accounts are loaded.
Most of the other test nations are in the same boat and need the money they generate. In terms of revenue the ECB might be the next biggest but I would hardly think they are rolling in it. They will probably need every penny to get participation back up and fix club cricket in the UK. I guess the test nations would argue they have never had handouts given to them to develop their infrastructure, so why should they take a pay cut for the associates? Of course more should be done if the ICC want cricket to develop cricket outside the Commonwealth countries, but India are the big earners and it would probably need to come out of their pot.
Yeah India is the worst culprit but don't get me wrong other countries still have a lot more money (from public, ICC, govt & sponsorship) then associates. ICC revenue is great but it also matters how much the sports ministry in your country is behind the sport, infrastructure is a major issue. We have 8 months of winter, which means we are indoors for 8 months as we don't have the funds to travel and play other nations on a regular basis. Look at Canada's performance for example, it was a up and coming associate and now we are sitting in WCL Div 3 i think....Kenya is struggling, USA has shot itself in the foot and then hobbled in front a speeding train heading for a collapsed bridge over a pool of lava...
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So boys... Any guesses as to how much Australia will beat England by this Saturday? :D
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So boys... Any guesses as to how much Australia will beat England by this Saturday? :D
I'd bet on it being the tightest game yet ;).
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Australia to win the toss and bat first
Scoring 790 for 4. Maxwell scores 401 from 162 balls.
England all out for 9. With 5 extras.
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Australia to win the toss and bat first
Scoring 790 for 4. Maxwell scores 401 from 162 balls.
England all out for 9. With 5 extras.
And 4 overthrows!
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So boys... Any guesses as to how much Australia will beat England by this Saturday? :D
England ao for less than 200
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Anyone else find the world cup TV overlay horrible? So big, ugly and distracting whilst making what is usually clear confusing.
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Rohit Sharma, real deal or flat track bully?
Just looking at his last few outings in an Indian ODI shirt... 264, 9, 138, 8, 150. Feast or famine seems to be the extent of his ODI record. Someone who has cashed in on the harder (due to 2 new balls) non swinging balls, short boundaries and fielding restrictions or a proper talent who has kicked on?
Whilst I've never really rated Rohit Sharma, his performances can also be linked to him being injured pretty much every two/three months. That said getting big 100s in ODIs is a pretty decent skill.
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ENG v/s PAK
Alex Hales is back opening with Moeen Ali.
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South Africa getting the choking started early :D?.
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Sa not even made 200. But I suppose like the windies. They don't wanna peak to soon.
New
New Zealand looking impressive though!
England. Well we look like we are ambling towards another 250 score.
Have no idea on pitch conditions, but very slow batting rate from England. Bells previous sr's looking rapid compared to hales.
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^ I say 290 for England. Bopara just exited. Exciting times for young Yasir Shah.
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Also zimbabwe chasing down sri lanka 280 for a big win! 7 wickets.
That's a good scalp.
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^ Yeoww! Good job, ZIM.
Clarkey is back too. Times ara a changin'. :D
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Root tries to run out Jordon twice in a row
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England need to get a move on in these last few overs another 40 - 50 runs and they`ll have a good score to defend
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SA got mauled by New Zealand
Best in the world? Perhaps not.
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Both Pakistan openers cooling their jets in the pavilion. Why do they even bother? Just send the middle order to bat.
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I think NZ are the team to watch
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Another duck for Morgan, is his form a concern yet?
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Another duck for Morgan, is his form a concern yet?
Have you seen the Wicket? Shocking shot choicw
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Have you seen the Wicket? Shocking shot choicw
No sky sports any more mate so not seen it.
Is a duck playing a dick shot not worse than getting out to a Jaffa though?
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No sky sports any more mate so not seen it.
Is a duck playing a dick shot not worse than getting out to a Jaffa though?
http://www.icc-cricket.com/cricket-world-cup/videos/media/id/3251/eng-vs-pak-morgan-wicket (http://www.icc-cricket.com/cricket-world-cup/videos/media/id/3251/eng-vs-pak-morgan-wicket)
it's not on sky is it?
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Umar Akmal is a using a CA with red stickers. Shape looks different.
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Can watch it on smartcric.com
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Broad bowling well today 1-17 from 6 overs so far
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A bit embarrassing losing to one of the worst chasing sides going around.
Another poor performance from Jordan.
Can't continue playing bopara and Morgan since both are out of form. Might as well drop bopara and stick balance or hales at 6.
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i was listening to it on the radio and it seemed as if we just haven't got a clue how to bowl at the death or to be honest how to bowl to a field.
i mean if fine leg is up you don't bowl short! if all 4 are back on the leg side and 3 up on the off you don't bowl full outside off! that is simple club cricket understanding of bowling.
it also seems as if we have forgotten what the yorker is.
i can understand if a bowler misses their mark/intended yorker by a few inches and the batsman plays a great shot but bowling the wrong type of delivery is just plain stupid.... you have to wonder whether it is the coach and the plans they come up with or the bowlers not being able to bowl at all.
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Surely Moores has to go if England still keep doing the same things that they have done for the past 5 years.
1) very few batsman seem to be able to milk the spinners /slow bowlers for singles.
2) the bowling of a particular delivery that does NOT match the field set.
3) able to bowl yorkers.
Most of those on the forum and top pundits like Botham, Gough and Holding have consistently said what is wrong with England during 50 over games YET a new coach comes in and we still have the same problems.
As for why he sticks with people in poor form or doesn't pick our most economical front line spinner!!
Just beggars belief.
In my opinion :)
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Don't know if anyone realised but Buttler has been made Englands vice-captain for the world cup ahead of Broad, Anderson and Bell.
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South Africa's defeat is hardly anything to worry about.
We played this NZ side just a few months ago and destroyed them.
We'll flex the muscles when it counts.
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Don't know if anyone realised but Buttler has been made Englands vice-captain for the world cup ahead of Broad, Anderson and Bell.
Broad probably more concerned about his balding pate
Anderson = clubbie
Bell too mentally weak
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Anderson and Broad bowled really well last night. They are no clubbies. With Finn and Woakes, these two will pose a challenge to any batting line up. Jordan, Tredwell and Moeen got hit around though but that was expected.
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Anderson and Broad bowled really well last night. They are no clubbies. With Finn and Woakes, these two will pose a challenge to any batting line up. Jordan, Tredwell and Moeen got hit around though but that was expected.
Anderson is the clubbie. You're mixing my words
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Anderson is the clubbie. You're mixing my words
He mixed it up well in yesterday's match. See if you can catch the highlights.
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He mixed it up well in yesterday's match. See if you can catch the highlights.
Lets see what he does against Australia on Sunday #WhippingBoy
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Fly out on Sunday and Scotland seem to be holding their own in the warm up games, cannot wait.
Praying for an upset in Christchurch on the 23rd.
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Despite losing, I ah e massive respect for Scotland this morning, probably should have won needing 12 from 10. But to nearly chase a 300 plus against the windies is not bad for an associate.
Gayle failed again.
And then there's ireland, beat Bangladesh in a low scoring affair, looked poor against the state aside and Scotland, but a win will boost confidence.
Tis all warm ups though, proper stuff starts tomorrow!
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Also just seen the scorecard of Scotland vs West Indies. That's some effort from Scotland.
Just goes to show how poor the West Indies bowling is without bravo. Russell's Probably their best bowler and that says something.
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happy for collywobbles but that is one poor WI side to leak that many runs to Ireland.. oh and only score 300! WI are a shambles
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happy for collywobbles but that is one poor WI side to leak that many runs to Ireland.. oh and only score 300! WI are a shambles
How many did they leak to Ireland?
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happy for collywobbles but that is one poor WI side to leak that many runs to Ireland.. oh and only score 300! WI are a shambles
Scotland
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Scotland
yeah but collywobbles is the coach and I want to see him do well via Scotland.
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How many did they leak to Ireland?
WI scored 300+.. ie to only score 300 vs an associate isn't really good enough. You'd expect a full test nation to smash them
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WI scored 300+.. ie to only score 300 vs an associate isn't really good enough. You'd expect a full test nation to smash them
I more meant they never played Ireland.
Outside of UAE who are wank, I don't think the associate sides will got for much more than 313 many times.
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Question to the English forumites...... Why do England keep selecting bopara. He is crap, he wouldn't get into any aussie state side.
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Question to the English forumites...... Why do England keep selecting bopara. He is crap, he wouldn't get into any aussie state side.
Same could be said for Bailey ;)
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Question to the English forumites...... Why do England keep selecting bopara. He is crap, he wouldn't get into any aussie state side.
His bowling, he rarely ever actually needs to bowl, but I think they just like the warm feeling it gives them to know he's there.
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Bopara has been in poor form with the bat as of late, but I still wouldn't call him a crap player. Very underused bowler at times as well.
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His bowling, he rarely ever actually needs to bowl, but I think they just like the warm feeling it gives them to know he's there.
Considering he's being used so sparingly at the moment, surely Root could send down 2 or 3 overs of filth in the same mould as Bopara?
Get Ballance in, he can play the Mike Hussey role at 6. Plus he can send down some mystery (filthy) leggies!
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the problem is Bopara hasn't clearly defined his role in the team or they haven't decided what they want to do with him (depending on which way you want to look at it).
he isn't batting well enough (and isn't good enough IMO) to hold down a batting spot and definitely isn't going to be one of your 5 bowlers so he becomes a so called allrounder or middle/lower order batter 6th bowler..... however when you aren't scoring runs and it looks as though the captain doesn't trust your bowling you become a bit of a passenger in the team.
i think they will play him but that is purely because they like the fact that he can bowl a few overs if the others get carted - which is the completely wrong attitude
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personally feel Bopara is being made a scapegoat, typical ECB really. They've mismanaged him, he has no idea of the role he's playing and looks like it.
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Question to the English forumites...... Why do England keep selecting bopara. He is crap, he wouldn't get into any aussie state side.
(No Swearing Please) if I know! Seems he's being selected on his bowling. Which when he's not a bowler, and isn't being used in games, is just beyond stupid. Many years of evidence there that he can't hack it at international level, would much rather see Ben Stokes (for example) in there.
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personally feel Bopara is being made a scapegoat, typical ECB really. They've mismanaged him, he has no idea of the role he's playing and looks like it.
Totally agree. Dropping him then selecting him every other squad probably doesn't help either. He is a very useful player, especially as he bats and bowls to a high standard. Wish we'd utilize his bowling more, and give him a nailed on spot in the batting lineup.
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Looks like he's been dropped for ballance:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2951907/England-axe-Ravi-Bopara-Gary-Ballance-set-Australia-World-Cup-berth.html#article-2951907 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2951907/England-axe-Ravi-Bopara-Gary-Ballance-set-Australia-World-Cup-berth.html#article-2951907)
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Looks like he's been dropped for ballance:
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2951907/England-axe-Ravi-Bopara-Gary-Ballance-set-Australia-World-Cup-berth.html#article-2951907[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2951907/England-axe-Ravi-Bopara-Gary-Ballance-set-Australia-World-Cup-berth.html#article-2951907[/url])
Ballance the plodder.. oh joy.. that'll make 'finishing' so much easier. ECB are just a joke. (no slight on Ballance, guys a good batsmen but not a 'finisher')
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Interesting reading on england odi stats compared to others
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31428625 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31428625)
Gerry will enjoy the reading
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Mr Downton at his best
http://www.thefulltoss.com/england-cricket-blog/paul-downton-speaks-part-four/#comment-12216 (http://www.thefulltoss.com/england-cricket-blog/paul-downton-speaks-part-four/#comment-12216)
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My moneys on New Zealand to win as history shows they always play above themselves in the competition.
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Interesting reading on england odi stats compared to others
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31428625[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31428625[/url])
Gerry will enjoy the reading
All england fans know how bad they are, doubt the stats will surprise many who follow them.
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Noooo, we get the star sports overlay :(. Goodbye to seeing slip catches and half the screen.
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Nice forward defensive from McCullum first ball.
Oh wait he smashed it.
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What's the point of having the batsmen and bowlers picture all the time at the bottom. So pointless!
McCullum already looks on course for a big one. Flat pitch!
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Malinga looking slow and like they should have left him on the physios table.
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Malinga looking slow and like they should have left him on the physios table.
you say slow... he's as quick as Englands bowlers!! That's the lack of pace England have!
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Malinga looking slow and like they should have left him on the physios table.
Looks pretty overweight to me also!
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McCullum is the boss of smashing rubbish bowling.
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He may well be faster than English bowlers . But I'm not comparing him to anyone else but himself.
His pace often covered him having a bad day. Today it is not.
Is there Drs available?
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Malinga's been out for months having ankle surgery. Don't know how people expect him to be 100% given its his first odi game.
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Lets cut to the chase. How much will England get flogged for?
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Malinga's been out for months having ankle surgery. Don't know how people expect him to be 100% given its his first odi game.
When New Zealand are in this great form it is the cricketing version of a hospital pass to send Malinga on recovery out to bowl.....he's too experienced to have his confidence damaged but it isn't the best start to a WC campaign....
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Lets cut to the chase. How much will England get flogged for?
That convo was a few pages back
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Wild slogging McCullum goes for 65. 1/111 from 15.5 overs
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Bit late to get lakmal on. Already looks more dangerous than the other bowlers after bowling 2 balls!
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Wild slogging McCullum goes for 65. 1/111 from 15.5 overs
didn't hear you calling AB a slogger when he flogged a much poorer attack for his WR.. or De Cock... or Russow. Only Amla has class in the SA side
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didn't hear you calling AB a slogger when he flogged a much poorer attack for his WR.. or De Cock... or Russow. Only Amla has class in the SA side
Agree Amla's class but has he played a match winning knock in a odi tournament? Not that I can remember. Not a big match player. A bit pointless averaging 50+ if you can't score when it counts
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Amla's first World Cup jackass...
Did I say World Cup? How was his champions trophy? Or is that not a odi tournament?
In fact you check your facts jackass he played in the 2011 World Cup. What a mug you are.
You were quick to delete that comment
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didn't hear you calling AB a slogger when he flogged a much poorer attack for his WR.. or De Cock... or Russow. Only Amla has class in the SA side
Firstly it's de Kock and Rossouw...
Secondly de Villiers averages 50 in Tests, so yeah more than enough class.
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Pretty laughable to call McCullum a wild slogger after that. Vast majority of his runs came from perfectly timed grounded shots bar a couple chipped intentionally into the gaps. That final ball was really his first attempt to go the whole way bar the free hit.
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Firstly it's de Kock and Rossouw...
Secondly de Villiers averages 50 in Tests, so yeah more than enough class.
doesn't matter, mccullum is not classy test player but in this modern format he's better than players like Finch etc. SA have enough of their own biffers Gerry. I like AB so think he's quality but he biffs jusrt as much as others./. difference is he can also bat properly unlike most other biffers
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Haha. Told Gerry. Spends so much time with his head in Anderson cricinfo stats to find holes so he can be the massive troll he is. He actually knows sod all about his own countries cricket.
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We should all just play nicely - lets just face the facts - Australia are probably going to win, England will get their competition destroyed by a minnow, New Zealand will come second and Steyn will spend a tournament looking angry. Again. Simples.
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doesn't matter, mccullum is not classy test player but in this modern format he's better than players like Finch etc. SA have enough of their own biffers Gerry. I like AB so think he's quality but he biffs jusrt as much as others./. difference is he can also bat properly unlike most other biffers
McCullum better than Finch? Not in a million Sundays...
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Did I say World Cup? How was his champions trophy? Or is that not a odi tournament?
In fact you check your facts jackass he played in the 2011 World Cup. What a mug you are.
You were quick to delete that comment
Best you got special bus?
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Haha. Told Gerry. Spends so much time with his head in Anderson cricinfo stats to find holes so he can be the massive troll he is. He actually knows sod all about his own countries cricket.
We beat England for fun. That's all I care about. That's with South Africa even gifting some of the crap players no hopers to England...
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We beat England for fun. That's all I care about. That's with South Africa even gifting some of the crap players no hopers to England...
Lol.
You can recall from the top of your head what Anderson stats are for the subcontinent, as you have shown us many a time to prove he's a clubbie. But had no idea amla played in the 2011 world cup.
This is a great day, the troll fails. England can lose by 800 runs and ill still be smiling
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Lol.
You can recall from the top of your head what Anderson stats are for the subcontinent, as you have shown us many a time to prove he's a clubbie. But had no idea amla played in the 2011 world cup.
This is a great day, the troll fails. England can lose by 800 runs and ill still be smiling
SA's 2011 WC memories died when Faf tried running everyone out against NZ...
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We beat England for fun. That's all I care about. That's with South Africa even gifting some of the crap players no hopers to England...
Not at test cricket you don't. And you're only ahead of England by about 3 wins at ODIs. So ICC ranking scores aside you're not sitting so pretty!!
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Not at test cricket you don't. And you're only ahead of England by about 3 wins at ODIs. So ICC ranking scores aside you're not sitting so pretty!!
Offset by the 20 year period we were banned, when we had one of the greatest sides ever seen in the history of cricket...
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Offset by the 20 year period we were banned, when we had one of the greatest sides ever seen in the history of cricket...
Greatness is not determined by percieved talent but by winning matches and by deportment in defeat.
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Greatness is not determined by percieved talent but by winning matches and by deportment in defeat.
Go ask the Aussies from the 1970s how good Graeme Pollock and Barry Richards were....
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Steve Smith opened his captaincy with three centuries on the bounce and has beaten a batting record that has stood since Don Bradman - I think the Australians have forgotten about those defeats. That said perhaps cricket SA should pay more attention to their greatest cricketers when they are in need??
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332 for nz. Anderson with a good innings at the end.
Be a difficult chase for the sri lankan's. Game on.
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^ Game on, indeed.
SL got some good wickets and then things drifted a bit - Anderson batted well!
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Cannot drop an easier catch then that by Broad
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ENG need to tighten their length; dropping Finch was bad and will have consequences.
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Warner out!
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Broad on a Hattrick
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Watoo out!
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Exciting cricket!!! :D
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It's been raining over night till about 9.30am it's hot and humid great bowling conditions, I'm off to the game cmon Aussie!
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What is wrong with SL?! Sheesh.
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Smith out!!!!
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After watching Finch hit some of those boundaries, I feel like ordering me an NB bat. ;)
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Finn should've stood behind the stumps. England fielding is letting them down.
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Morgan is alert. Finch run out.
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Moeen Ali's pies getting smashed around. Ludicrous that a classy operator like Tredwell doesn't get into the team
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Big win for nz.
Aus already have to many for us to chase.
2 wins for 2 of the 3 favs already.
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His test record of 22 wickets @ 28 - not bad for a chucker of pies
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Moeen Ali's pies getting smashed around. Ludicrous that a classy operator like Tredwell doesn't get into the team
yet the commentators keep saying he bowled well. Going at a rate over 6 with no wickets on this stage ....
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Tredwell would do no better.
Good last 3 balls of the game, shame about the previous 297.
This looks to be the expected formality but if Aussies bowl and field really badly. England might get within 50.
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For all the know it alls told you about Finch he is a WORLD CLASS odi batsman drop or not great great player and top bloke to boot.
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For all the know it alls told you about Finch he is a WORLD CLASS odi batsman drop or not great great player and top bloke to boot.
dolly dropped on 0. I called him a biffer not utter crap. We all know he can smash runs, just can't play properly. Anyway, England are getting smashed and it's funny
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How much I love Shane Warne commentate...let me count the ways. None.
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How much I love Shane Warne commentate...let me count the ways. None.
knows what he's on about though :)
Just a tad biased
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dolly dropped on 0. I called him a biffer not utter crap. We all know he can smash runs, just can't play properly. Anyway, England are getting smashed and it's funny
Adrian any bloke averaging 40 plus in both formats is better than a biffer never been dropped Adrian!!!
Look at some of his shots like i say he playing in arguably the best side in the world very good player.
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Warne is decent commentator bar his biased views.
Bopara should not even be in the squad.
Poor Ben Stokes i say
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McCullum better than Finch? Not in a million Sundays...
You would have Finch over McCullum? :o
Interesting.
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Good decision to slot ballance at 3. Taylor was looking a bit clueless with the extra bounce. Taylor playing at 6 as a finisher though ;).
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Warne is decent commentator bar his biased views.
Bopara should not even be in the squad.
Poor Ben Stokes i say
I'm sorry but Stokes is absolute rubbish.
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Adrian any bloke averaging 40 plus in both formats is better than a biffer never been dropped Adrian!!!
Look at some of his shots like i say he playing in arguably the best side in the world very good player.
we are allowed differing opinions on him. As I said, he's good at what he does, he in my personal opinion just isn't a player like a Amla etc. He's more of a hitter. Would be interesting to get him on a seaming/swinging wicket, from what I've seen when it has he'd nick off a fair bit as he gets opened up.
still, it's not.. it's a flat aussie wicket and he's great on them. England are crap and are going to get hammered as they rightly should. Finch is in my fantasy team :) So I don't think he'll have a bad tournament :)
dave is right on stokes, while I think Bopara has been mistreated and hasn't been defined a role and judged on it.. Stokes is at least a frontline all rounder and does seem to like aussie wickets
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Stokes if managed correctly is going to be a real special cricketer. Of course Adrian but how many top line players score runs on Seaming wickets i just enjoy watching him and if you look at a lot of his runs there conventional and he is no doubt a power player He tends to score runs in England too in t20 stuff.
Stokes is rubbish interesting not to many say that many say ge could potentially become a very fine international player.
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Stokes if managed correctly is going to be a real special cricketer. Of course Adrian but how many top line players score runs on Seaming wickets i just enjoy watching him and if you look at a lot of his runs there conventional and he is no doubt a power player He tends to score runs in England too in t20 stuff.
Stokes is rubbish interesting not to many say that many say ge could potentially become a very fine international player.
agree re stokes. He's got something about him and needs to be played.
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Hahah this is embarrassing losing 3 wickets to someone like marsh
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Hahah this is embarrassing losing 3 wickets to someone like marsh
Bell showing the sort of shots that he has all his career to get out. When he's on form he is as classy as Engl have but that shot sums up why he's not as good as he should be. Agree about thsi team being an embarrassment though, zero fight, zero heart and so obviously outclassed against any decent team.
We know why after Root the Eng bowlers think bowling short is good! #worksinthenets
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Stokes if managed correctly is going to be a real special cricketer. Of course Adrian but how many top line players score runs on Seaming wickets i just enjoy watching him and if you look at a lot of his runs there conventional and he is no doubt a power player He tends to score runs in England too in t20 stuff.
Stokes is rubbish interesting not to many say that many say ge could potentially become a very fine international player.
Not many gave Steve Smith the potential to become a top international when he first started.
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Stokes is rubbish interesting not to many say that many say ge could potentially become a very fine international player.
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I thought so too after that 100. But then what has he done? Rubbish might be harsh. I'll take that back and say he's an average all rounder.
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Not many gave Steve Smith the potential to become a top international when he first started.
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If Stokes does a Steve Smith I'll take my hat off to him.
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Not many gave Steve Smith the potential to become a top international when he first started.
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Steve Smith in fairness was torn apart by quality bowling, he went away and changed some technical aspects. Todays game he was aweful again though due to moving across his stumps etc. Stokes obviously needs to work at his game really hard and tbh, none of us know if he's a hard worker or just turns up etc. Smith has at least showed he's got the right attitude. I think a few england players could learn a thing or two!
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Hahah this is embarrassing losing 3 wickets to someone like marsh
Couldn't agree more! Absolute jokes!
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Looks like Taylor's given up the chase and having a net.
Doesn't look like he can get the ball of the square and he's playing as a finisher at number 6.
Don't see how you can have bell, root, ballance and Taylor in the same line up. Apart from bell, the other 3 can't score at a strike rate above 85.
Another duck for Morgan. Marsh gets another one. What a joke.
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seriously embarrassing. At what point can we get rid of everyone involved with this England set up. They are just not good enough!! Making a mockery of us all. This is like the last ashes again! Downton must be going 'uh oh'
Taylor is right to have a net, you are never going to chase 340 so there is no point trying! Just go for as much time in teh middle as you can, get that 50+ red inker for the avg. No point giving your wicket away
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I am purely thinking about fantasy league points now!
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I am purely thinking about fantasy league points now!
might have to sub out any England players that's for sure!
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Yeah i only have Mo so not too bad. I think anyone with Finn will can big points though cos of the hat trick.
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not a bad catch by Smith!!
still, Buttler hits in the air way to often so you'd expect people to have a catcher there.
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Mitchell Marsh has a 5-for. No offence, but that says it all!!
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Mitchell Marsh has a 5-for. No offence, but that says it all!!
well, we do have Ali as our 'frontline' spinner.. and Woakes so are not in a position to slate M.Marsh! oh and we continue to play capts who can't bat... and we played Dernbach... and Bresnan.. oh and sacked our best player.. yeah, best not throw any insults out actually.
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What a catch by Steve Smith. 5 for Marsh! Awesome stuff
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Yeah great catch like haddins as well. But that's also the massive difference when there's a chance the aussies take it. We drop finch on 0 and he gets 135!!
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Yeah great catch like haddins as well. But that's also the massive difference when there's a chance the aussies take it. We drop finch on 0 and he gets 135!!
that is the difference between a good team and a poor team though. you can both be equal in batting but if youa re going to drop catches then you are giving away runs etc.. Fielding is vital and catches do win matches. England are poor and have been since they were no:1 in the test rankings when they actually did field like a top team.
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Agree on fielding usually being a reflection of how the team are playing more generally. The only real battle going on at the moment is the one in side @KP24's head as to whether he should tweet that he should have been selected.
We all saw this coming but a tad sad nonetheless.
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Finchy what a drop.
On a side note love the Australian shirt looks quality
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I guess if you're called Mitchell you'll take poles vs England. Should be the end of Watson now. Faulkner and Marsh will offer more in the coming years
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Australia to win the toss and bat first
Scoring 790 for 4. Maxwell scores 401 from 162 balls.
England all out for 9. With 5 extras.
we did better than I expected.......... We won the toss
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Having just checked this thread and the TMS commentary I've come to a few conclusions.
The World Cup format is awful if England can still (hypothetically) qualify if/when they lose half their group games. On today's form the associates probably can't wait to play England.
The ECB need to chose their words more carefully, no more telling the captains to get their ducks in a row please!
The england team maybe need to look at some village teams death bowling. Long hops for the last 10 overs isn't a good strategy, everyone (except the England players and coaches it would seem) knows that!
I'm glad I've cancelled my Sky Sports package. I've still got Comedy Central available to watch who will probably be showing England's attempts later!
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The World Cup format is awful if England can still (hypothetically) qualify if/when they lose half their group games.
Have to agree with that. The worst format ever!
In the current format all you have to do is beat the minnows and lose the rest of the games to qualify. Makes the group stages pretty pointless.
Think I've been a bit harsh on taylor, really playing some good shots now ;)
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Taylor looks alright. Should never write a batsmen off when they score slow at the start. That was a cracking Yorker from starc
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Williamson last night was a example he started very slow good innings this
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Williamson last night was a example he started very slow good innings this
I remember people bagging Craig Simmons in the big bash as he didn't score quick at the start - they were eating their words after h cracked a quick fire ton!
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Although we have been soundly beaten man i love cricket fair play Aussies lets do better next time...
Got to love cricket..
Enjoyed Finchy knock
Enjoyed Baileys and Maxwells
Enjoying Taylors
Some great catches shame the result didn't go our way but a good game for me
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Absolutle farce to end this game and again it's something to do with DRS with the umpires not actually knowing the rules. How many times do we see this with DRS!
That's a dead ball. Got to feel sorry for Taylor, robbed of a 100 from the umpires
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Aussie obviously deserved the Win.
but a farcical end.
If found to be wrong. All 3 want sending home from the tournament.
But well batted taylor. He deserves praise. But all I can think is england hierarchy now gonna say. "Ooh Finn hat trick taylors 98. We had a good game. Same again please"
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Would he have been the first dwarf to make a world cup 100?
I called it before the start, at the playing of the national anthems, the 'english' captain was tightlipped and couldnt have been less interested. From that point, they were never going to show any passion or play with heart. #broadshouldbecaptain #morganisadisgrace.....
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James "dwarf" Taylor is taller than Sachin Tendulkar...
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Well, what have we learned from this match? England still have no idea, aside from one or two bright sparks, how to play one day cricket.
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Eoin Morgan such an ECB yes man...
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In reference to the run out...
3.6 Dead ball
a) If following a Player Review request, an original decision of ‘Out’ is changed to ‘Not Out’, then the ball is still deemed to have become dead when the original
decision was made (as per Law 23.1(a)(iii)). The batting side, while benefiting from the reversal of the dismissal, will not benefit from any runs that may
subsequently have accrued from the delivery had the on-field umpire originally made a ‘Not Out’ decision, other than any No Balls penalty that could arise under
3.3 (g) above.
Taken from APPENDIX 6 Decision Review System (DRS) - Playing Conditions on ICC World Cup Playing Conditions (http://icc-live.s3.amazonaws.com/cms/media/about_docs/54dad3266e240-CWC2015%20Final%20Update%2028%201%202015.pdf (http://icc-live.s3.amazonaws.com/cms/media/about_docs/54dad3266e240-CWC2015%20Final%20Update%2028%201%202015.pdf))
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Just seen that Mitch Marsh's ODI bowling average went from 48.3 to 29.4, he's become a world class bowler in the course of a game!
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ICC admit error was made and should be a dead ball.
They have explained this to England. Nothing else will come of it. Issues closed.
Non umpires fined or reprimanded.
Which I think is wrong. And granted we would have lost anyway. But what if this was a key game and the batting sided need 10 to win from 2 overs?
It could have cost someone the world cup.
Getting like football. Players managers get it wrong it's fines and bans galore. Umps and refs f up. It's all swept under the carpet. And if you dare complain. It's fines and bans again. ....
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ICC admit error was made and should be a dead ball.
But what if this was a key game and the batting sided need 10 to win from 2 overs?
It could have cost someone the world cup.
I think you have hit the nail on the head. In this match it wasn't going to change the outcome. But in a eliminator or a final with that sort of situation as you describe above, it would be an absolute joke to have been decided in this manner.
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I think they should go back out and carry on
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Although we have been soundly beaten man i love cricket fair play Aussies lets do better next time...
Got to love cricket..
Enjoyed Finchy knock
Enjoyed Baileys and Maxwells
Enjoying Taylors
Some great catches shame the result didn't go our way but a good game for me
not sure any one sided game can be called good personally. This was just embarrassing
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not sure any one sided game can be called good personally. This was just embarrassing
I think Dave was saying a 'good' game for him personally as he enjoyed 4 innings from certain players and enjoyed some of the catches taken aswell. Don't think it was meant to be interpreted from an England fans point of view, more from the eyes of a cricket lover.
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not sure any one sided game can be called good personally. This was just embarrassing
Indeed although i love my county and want us to win i still enjoy good play no matter who it is from i can watch the lowest level of cricket and enjoy.
Cricket brings people together in a old fashioned way i just enjoy my cricket no matter who wins..
Sometimes you have to hold your hand up and say you where bettered.
Gonna be a strong side to stop the cons here!!! Good side
I watched the other game earlier some great play there too a good start for the world cup and i enjoy it just like all forms of cricket.. :D
Anybody who knows me knows i love cricket might do my umpiring soon looking into the future want to be involved and give something back
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Never seen a ton i have not enjoyed especially a biffers!!!!
I expected a upset i really did had a good chat with Tai (Blank Bats last night and yes sponsor from here do get on ) we both fancied England but it was not to be.
However the better side won if both sides play to potential i think there simply better. Maybe a touch like football expectations will not be reached but reality is bar one or two decent players we are quite a average side and we got what we if where honest deserved.
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Never seen a ton i have not enjoyed especially a biffers!!!!
agree, dislike biffers but it is entertaining :)
I don't mind England losing or any team winning, I just like it when it's a good hard fought game. One sided ones get a little boring. Still, just think how many the minnows will go for if England go for 340! Finch, Warner, Maxwell could be on for 200+!! I'm actually pleased to see Bailey get some runs, seems a good skipper but struggling for form.
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I like people who can strike the ball mate it is one day stuff same as T20 i also like test which is a different skill and technical things needed.
I know a bloke who cant play a proper forward defensive yet will out score both of us put together over a season horses for courses i guess.
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It was good to see a vintage display from the clubman James Anderson yet again. Without a raging greentop on offer, he was mercilessly hammered to all part. As the 'new James Anderson', Chris Woakes.
Looking forward too seeing big Corey Anderson destroy clubman Jimmy on Friday
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You would have Finch over McCullum? :o
Interesting.
Basing it on the ability to score 100s.
Finch scores more 100s(6). IIRC McCullum 'only' has 5 ODI hundreds.
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Love finch he strikes a good ball he is box office each team has a few looking forward to the sa v zimb game hope it is a run fest!! hope SA win the toss then there arguably the most watched game of the World Cup India v Pakistan maybe another all nighter beckons
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I watched a video recently of the South African side well some of them visit a young fans home was a lovely touch or yes but great stuff
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what frustrated me ( had me screaming at radio actually) is the throw your wicket away mentallity fron England. ok you'll probably lose anyway but if broad ( twunt) had shown any guts he'd have seen a teammate and county colleague to a 100. Too secure in the team and too rich to really care
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The biggest game of the World Cup should be a good one...both teams on a flat track with a sell out crowd.
India look the stronger of the 2.
Add to that Pakistan have never beaten India in world cup's
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Pitch looks really slow in SA vs ZIM match ball holding up
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SA really struggling today 108-4 26 overs. ZIM playing well not giving much away
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what frustrated me ( had me screaming at radio actually) is the throw your wicket away mentallity fron England. ok you'll probably lose anyway but if broad ( twunt) had shown any guts he'd have seen a teammate and county colleague to a 100. Too secure in the team and too rich to really care
mmm, Broad is shell shocked against Australia - with the bat. BUT he always shows enormous heart with the ball and in the field, and at then end of the day, that's his job - no use going off at him for his batting mate. Maybe if someone else in addition to taylor in the top 6 showed any bottle......
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Good finish to SA innings 339-4. SA should be happy with tht score considering the way they started
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Steyn getting hit around a bit by Zimbabwe, they're looking pretty good.
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India scored 300 in 50 overs. I would have expected more. It won't be an easy chase for Pakistan. Can Pakistan play a risk-free game of 1s and 2s to keep the score rolling? Let's see if Younus Khan lives up to the expectations heaped upon him and promotion to the opening slot.
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Pakistan to chase 300! No chance
Worst chasing side going around
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Pakistan to chase 300! No chance
Worst chasing side going around
Not quite as bad as England....
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Not sure the evidence was quite conclusive personally there.
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Pakistan were going calmly but just lost a cluster of wickets,afridi still there thou...
Good to see zim giving it a real go
Dare i say it the south african bowlers looked like clubbies at one stage
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Pakistan were going calmly but just lost a cluster of wickets,afridi still there thou...
Good to see zim giving it a real go
Dare i say it the south african bowlers looked like clubbies at one stage
feed the troll... feed the troll :)
Steyn is looking a bit slow.. almost as slow as Malinga, except he's not been injured like Malinga.. Is it the end of the 'great' Steyn??
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Whether Steyn gets smashed or not, South Africa have a plenty of options with the ball. Zimbabwe played really well, would've beaten a lesser side like England. David Miller and Jean-Paul Duminy outstanding.
Next up India, back in 2011 World Cup South Africa where the only side to beat the eventual champions.
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Whether Steyn gets smashed or not, South Africa have a plenty of options with the ball. Zimbabwe played really well, would've beaten a lesser side like England. David Miller and Jean-Paul Duminy outstanding.
Next up India, back in 2011 World Cup South Africa where the only side to beat the eventual champions.
I don't think you've picked up the general feeling that people don't rate england, even england fans.. Insulting england is something we are all doing currently. YOu need a new troll because saying something people go 'yeah, true' to isn't really an insult..
However, de cock fluffed it again and your two decent batsmen failed.. only scored well due to playing a minnow and you struggled to contain them.. SA should be very worried about that display.. Steyn is bowling backwards as KP would say.
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World Cup hundred for my man Miller! Always rated him and he's finally come good on the world stage!
Good, spirited chase by Zinbabwe with clubbie Steyn being exposed ;)
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Forget the actual cricket look at the spectator catches been a couple of real beauties
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Scandalous running from windies there
Gayles lack of speed or want for singles meaning bravo was sat on his bat??
1 more wicket and Ireland through to the tail......m
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Basically up to these 2 to get all the runs and maybe Sammy.
Looks a flat wicket!
Dwayne smith surely has the worst batting average for a opener to play 100 odi's. Average of under 19.
Not sure how they can drop bravo and pollard yet smith continues to be selected.
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West Indies lack a lot of confidence especially how there bowling and batting got treated by South Africa in the recent one day series.
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Windies in trouble at 90 odd for5
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https://vine.co/v/OP30W7Y756F (https://vine.co/v/OP30W7Y756F)
Come on who has done this then... :D
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What a chase by Ireland and how embarrassing for West Indies. Only 1 person to blame, Clive Lloyd!
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Well playe Ireland. Has Captain Morgan jumped on the wrong ship.
Actually not sure he'd get in the team in his current form.
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6 times in world cup cricket has 300+ been chased. 3 of them from Ireland....
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I think WI should drop Gayle. They must have a better opener. He's only averaged 13 with the bat in the last 7-8 months
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What a chase by Ireland and how embarrassing for West Indies. Only 1 person to blame, Clive Lloyd!
They were nearly embarrassed by Scotland in the warm ups
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im not sure it is embarrassing anymore to be honest. Ireland play no fear cricket and have done it before against the 'big' teams
We(England) want to hope we are not playing the IRISH, THEY WILL BEAT US..... :o
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Whether Steyn gets smashed or not, South Africa have a plenty of options with the ball.
lol - South Africa are held together by Steyn, Morkel, AB, Amla. Everyone knows it. Zim weren't good enough to finish the job but somebody will. Take those 4 out and you'd be England! If you want proof, even the Windies beat you when Steyn, Amla didn't play.
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lol - South Africa are held together by Steyn, Morkel, AB, Amla. Everyone knows it. Zim weren't good enough to finish the job but somebody will. Take those 4 out and you'd be England! If you want proof, even the Windies beat you when Steyn, Amla didn't play.
And they got hammered by NZ in the warm ups again with no Steyn or Amla
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So Ireland take their third "scalp" in as many World Cups and people are still arguing about SA.
Great performance all round by Ireland, by all accounts. Should put them in good stead for the knockout stages if they keep that up. Will be interesting to see whether WI bounce back else they could miss out.
Thinking back to the England game, I wonder whether it will have an impact, the umpire error as there is the run rate. I see England are currently bottom, what happens if two teams are on the same points come the end of the group stage, does run rate split them?
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If two teams are level on points isn't it decided by Head to Head result usually? Or had that changes this time?
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Windies didn't look interested in the field, anytime you chase 300 is a massive effort though so totally deserved.
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If two teams are level on points isn't it decided by Head to Head result usually? Or had that changes this time?
Not sure, thought I'd ask rather than try to look it up. What happens if it is a three-way?
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it beggars belief the umpires got it wrong in the England game, everyone else watching must have known it was dead after the appeal was overturned.
Taylor deserved a hundred he was the only one who looked like a proper batsman,so it was a real shame...
But we have a very tough game against NZ on Friday and they a def favourites.If we have to rely on run-run scraping the barrel at the bottom of the group we don't really deserve to go thru...
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13 more runs I think it was and we'd currently be ahead of SL in the group.
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So Ireland take their third "scalp" in as many World Cups and people are still arguing about SA.
Ireland were almost expected to beat the piss poor Windies.
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I was going to put a tenner on Ireland as I was sure the Windies would be favourites and I was almost as sure that Ireland would win.
I'm pretty sure the Irish were happy to play their game in New Zealand too, these conditions will suit them much more.
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Isnt it about time we took Dockrell and made him English???? He was class last night in what I could stay awake for
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Could really do with moving counties. Somerset is going to do nothing for his averages with the ball and hence his prospects of getting in the England side!
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Isnt it about time we took Dockrell and made him English???? He was class last night in what I could stay awake for
yep, so he can play for England and become rubbish.
Who reckons if Ireland get Full ODI status or even status, that Rankin and Morgan would go back?
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yep, so he can play for England and become rubbish.
Who reckons if Ireland get Full ODI status or even status, that Rankin and Morgan would go back?
Doubt either of them could be bothered to wait the 4 years really given their ages and the fact that Morgan is currently captain.
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Doubt either of them could be bothered to wait the 4 years really given their ages and the fact that Morgan is currently captain.
Didn't on Joyce case.
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Joyce was about Morgans age though and was out of contention for England. Morgan is currently captaining and Rankin is clearly still searching for a place playing for the lions. To give up for any offers for that amount of time would be a very difficult thing to do.
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ICC let Joyce off a bit of time. I imagine they would do the same for Morgan/Rankin for the sake of developing Ireland into a test nation, if status was granted. How that would affect their status as county cricketers and contracts is another matter. The way I read Rankin playing for England was more about him not losing his County contact by being classed a Kolpak, as much as any desire to play for England.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ireland/content/current/story/486267.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/ireland/content/current/story/486267.html)
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boult on a hat trick, tearing scotland apart... B3 man gone first ball
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Classy bowling from boult. He's too good for Scotland, 2 really good balls.
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making them look like mugs.. quite funny
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Luckily I picked him.
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Missed out by seconds locking my team in, had picked boult.
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Don't see Scotland getting more than 50.
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I may get to see all this game before bed.....
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Picked boult as my power player after the toss. Didn't think Scotland would score too much
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Don't see Scotland getting more than 50.
Don't see it lasting more than 15 overs
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Picked boult as my power player after the toss. Didn't think Scotland would score too much
Picked Macullum as my power player thoght thy would've wanted a bat
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Some really good bowling here
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19-4 #ouch
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I can see either Boult or Southee getting 5Wks
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They survive southee and Milne comes on at 150kph
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They survive southee and Milne comes on at 150kph
oh yes.. some 90+ will be fun against these!! get it in the ribs!!!!!
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It's not like the Black Caps to inflect pain on their opposition.
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Scotland 142 all out
I can go to bed now and I'm going to guess I'll wake up to a New Zealand victory
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They meal out of the chase though.
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Kiwis were exposed yesterday...another 30/40 runs and Scots would've had an upset in their hands. Alas. Scotland has good bowlers! Good job, fellas!
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I'm backing the Afghans to upset the Bangladeshis tonight
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Ireland linked with Test status after beating a West Indies side(excluding Sammy) who show no honour playing for that historic maroon shirt...
If West Indies more talented players showed Darren Sammy's heart, passion and commitment, West Indies would be a top side.
Ireland do not deserve Test status. Period.
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Kiwis were exposed yesterday...another 30/40 runs and Scots would've had an upset in their hands. Alas. Scotland has good bowlers! Good job, fellas!
I don't think they were exposed, just took it a bit easy thinking they could blast the runs super quick, I think they are a big chance for the cup behind the aussies.
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lol - South Africa are held together by Steyn, Morkel, AB, Amla. Everyone knows it. Zim weren't good enough to finish the job but somebody will. Take those 4 out and you'd be England! If you want proof, even the Windies beat you when Steyn, Amla didn't play.
Pretty sure Jean-Paul Duminy would walk into most ODI sides around the World. And David Miller's getting to the level expected of him. But you keep up with your nonsense, I'm in need of a laugh until England's next match...
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Ireland linked with Test status after beating a West Indies side(excluding Sammy) who show no honour playing for that historic maroon shirt...
If West Indies more talented players showed Darren Sammy's heart, passion and commitment, West Indies would be a top side.
Ireland do not deserve Test status. Period.
Agreed, they have a few decent players but no depth, no bowling.
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I'm backing the Afghans to upset the Bangladeshis tonight
AFG for me as well. Go underdog!
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I don't think they were exposed, just took it a bit easy thinking they could blast the runs super quick, I think they are a big chance for the cup behind the aussies.
That's the theory but we will see. 6 weeks is a long time.
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Ireland linked with Test status after beating a West Indies side(excluding Sammy) who show no honour playing for that historic maroon shirt...
If West Indies more talented players showed Darren Sammy's heart, passion and commitment, West Indies would be a top side.
Ireland do not deserve Test status. Period.
Why not? Is there a clear cut standard for inclusion in the "Test" club? WI lost because of their own drama and politics. No one forced them to lose.
Ireland's bowling could use some work but batting was fine. Let IRL in the "Test" club. Cricket will stagnate if associate teams are not given path to full membership.
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Why not? Is there a clear cut standard for inclusion in the "Test" club? WI lost because of their own drama and politics. No one forced them to lose.
Ireland's bowling could use some work but batting was fine. Let IRL in the "Test" club. Cricket will stagnate if associate teams are not given path to full membership.
Rubbish. Ireland's batting revolves around slogging. That doesn't work at Test level. Bowling attack is average at best. No place in Test cricket. Total waste of time.
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Getting a few FC matches in between the likes of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and top level associates would be a nice way to start.
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Pretty sure Jean-Paul Duminy would walk into most ODI sides around the World. And David Miller's getting to the level expected of him. But you keep up with your nonsense, I'm in need of a laugh until England's next match...
Don't remember ever saying England were any good, probably go out in the group stages. Back to SA - Duminy is a serial number 6 after several unsuccessful years of trying to get up the order. Miller is a good bat but without a decent top 4, he would struggle.
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Don't remember ever saying England were any good, probably go out in the group stages. Back to SA - Duminy is a serial number 6 after several unsuccessful years of trying to get up the order. Miller is a good bat but without a decent top 4, he would struggle.
Duminy's best position is #4, but a guy named A.B. de Villiers bats there - he's not to bad with the willow...
Miller would struggle without a top 4? Show me any middle order player that plays without a top 4... At least come up with something half decent rather than this kinda rubbish...
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Getting a few FC matches in between the likes of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and top level associates would be a nice way to start.
Why would two ICC full members waste time playing F/C matches against Ireland?
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Ireland linked with Test status after beating a West Indies side(excluding Sammy) who show no honour playing for that historic maroon shirt...
If West Indies more talented players showed Darren Sammy's heart, passion and commitment, West Indies would be a top side.
Ireland do not deserve Test status. Period.
If and buts, Zim got test status by working hard against more talented oppo.
Rubbish. Ireland's batting revolves around slogging. That doesn't work at Test level. Bowling attack is average at best. No place in Test cricket. Total waste of time.
Five of the top six play FC cricket and had Rankin and Morgan had a chance of test cricket with Ireland it would of been more. Rankin adds something to that attack to allow it to compete against weaker test nations.
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Rubbish. Ireland's batting revolves around slogging. That doesn't work at Test level. Bowling attack is average at best. No place in Test cricket. Total waste of time.
Maybe they won't slog if given a chance to play Test matches since they are restricted to T-20 and ODIs. There is a bigger question here: What is the path for an Associate team to become a Test playing nation?
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If and buts, Zim got test status by working hard against more talented oppo.Five of the top six play FC cricket and had Rankin and Morgan had a chance of test cricket with Ireland it would of been more. Rankin adds something to that attack to allow it to compete against weaker test nations.
Zim produced great players. A. Flower and Heath Streak better than anyone Ireland have ever/or ever will produce.
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Zim produced great players. A. Flower and Heath Streak better than anyone Ireland have ever/or ever will produce.
At what point did that happen? Before or after they got test status? If you don't give them a chance how do you know how good they can be?
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Why would two ICC full members waste time playing F/C matches against Ireland?
Because no one else really wants to play them?
And it would probably give them a more fairly balanced opposition than each other
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At what point did that happen? Before or after they got test status? If you don't give them a chance how do you know how good they can be?
Aside from Joyce, all these Irish F/C batsmen average low to mid 30s. Zim had players in their domestic circles averaging 40+ guys like Goodwin, G. Flower etc
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Aside from Joyce, all these Irish F/C batsmen average low to mid 30s. Zim had players in their domestic circles averaging 40+ guys like Goodwin, G. Flower etc
Didn't realise Zim FC cricket was stronger than the County Championship, my apologies.
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Didn't realise Zim FC cricket was stronger than the County Championship, my apologies.
Is that why noone from the overrated County Championship has matched Andy Flower's Test average in the last 10+ years?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly Andy Flower played the majority of his domestic FC cricket in the county championship.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly Andy Flower played the majority of his domestic FC cricket in the county championship.
He played for Essex after his International ended. 2002-2006
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Is that why noone from the overrated County Championship has matched Andy Flower's Test average in the last 10+ years?
Graeme Smith must of been a terrible test cricketer then as he only averaged 48 compared to Andy Flower's 51. Does that make the SA FC structure weaker as well?
My whole point here is your use of selective statistics to a sample size of one to fabricate something that simply isn't true. Why didn't you compare test averages for all players in both first class structures before taking that amazing leap?. Most likely because it wouldn't suit your arguments, even if it was the most rational thing to do. If you have a remotely plausible argument I am yet to hear it.
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Graeme Smith must of been a terrible test cricketer then as he only averaged 48 compared to Andy Flower's 51. Does that make the SA FC structure weaker as well?
Another theory up in smoke Nick, as Kallis, Amla and de Villiers surpass Flower.
Come on you've gotta try harder...
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Another theory up in smoke Nick, as Kallis, Amla and de Villiers surpass Flower.
Come on you've gotta try harder...
Err no I don't, I've proved my point.
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Here's Gerry randomly picking stats to suit his needs.
Do your remember that time you proved something by screaming someone was a moron because this was amlas 1st world cup.
Oh yeah but you didn't realise he'd played in 2011.
Some fan you are.
Stop scouring cricinfo stats page to prove stuff only 1 stay proves and actually watch the game.
As for a previously comment about sa letting england have some mediocre guys. Well that's true. You live in London don't you! That's one guy sa were happy to get rid off.
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Ed Joyce/Niall O'Brien certainly weren't slogging when I was watching! Both playing a lot of classy shots. Give Ireland Rankin and Morgan back, plus remember they have Tim Murtagh (their opening bowler) injured at the moment and they'd be a side to contend with. Dockrell is a good quality spinner, Rankin/Murtagh are just as good as a lot of test bowlers, then they only need to find themselves one more to have a decent attack. Batting has proven itself good enough by now!
Also, a lot of their players may have unspectacular fc records, but they raise their game big time for internationals, and they've done it often enough now that it's no fluke. And even if they're the worst test team, who cares? Every new addition would be, and the only way to grow the game is to add more teams.
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Ireland have some very good players coming up thru the system. Keep an eye out for Peter Chase who has plenty of pace but lacks control at the moment. Will be a very good bowler in time. Played a couple of matches for Durham towards the end of the year.
If you had rankin back along with murtagh, chase, dockrell and soresen then you have a decent enough bowling line up for test or first class cricket
Ireland have been unmatched by other teams in the intercontinental cup for a long time bar one year they slipped up against Afghanistan but I think it's only fair they they are sterner challenge now while the players are there
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Afghan 3 for 3! Need to dig in or this could be over quick.
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Why would two ICC full members waste time playing F/C matches against Ireland?
Your so called Full ICC members you mentioned above didn't show any progress from past 20 years....As for ZIM...they got smashed by BAN couple of months back I guess its 8-0 I think and BAN getting smashed by every other side. when ICC full time members can waste their time in playing these two, why not IRISH?
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Ireland linked with Test status after beating a West Indies side(excluding Sammy) who show no honour playing for that historic maroon shirt...
If West Indies more talented players showed Darren Sammy's heart, passion and commitment, West Indies would be a top side.
Ireland do not deserve Test status. Period.
All ICC full time members would have thought just like you in 1992, we did be seeing Jhonty Rhodes playing hockey, Hansie a legal bookie and so on.....Glad we didn't.
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I understand the point you are trying to make. But before posting get your facts right. Bangladesh getting smashed by every other sides ??? ? You must not be watching Bangladesh cricket for the last 5 years. Best of luck in watching more actual cricket games of the team you want to comment about and then do so.
Your so called Full ICC members you mentioned above didn't show any progress from past 20 years....As for ZIM...they got smashed by BAN couple of months back I guess its 8-0 I think and BAN getting smashed by every other side. when ICC full time members can waste their time in playing these two, why not IRISH?
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I understand the point you are trying to make. But before posting get your facts right. Bangladesh getting smashed by every other sides ??? ? You must not be watching Bangladesh cricket for the last 5 years. Best of luck in watching more actual cricket games of the team you want to comment about and then do so.
Hi Tauhid,
I have been watching pretty much most of Bangladesh(in fact most cricket) cricket over past years, not trying to make any argument, lets be honest here, their progress is slow when compared to the other nations when they started. That doesn't mean that they won't progress. when you look at the facts, new benchmark is Srilanka to compare the progress of the test playing nations made these years. But Again, the point was to prove that Ireland are at better stage now to have Test status than ever before.
As for the facts, there was the statistics given during BAN vs AFG game yesterday about the BAN performance and progress over 20 years since they had the Test Status, that should give you good idea about what's been put in my last comment.
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Their test record of 0/18 wins over the last 5 years in that regards probably doesn't give them the best of overviews.
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Pretty poor start from Zim so far. Dropped catches and wickets of no balls
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156 million in the population of Bangladesh were cricket is religion. Somehow I think like India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka, they'll get there.
It would be such a shame if someone like Shakib Al-Hasan didn't have a chance to play international top level cricket. Fact is that if he only played associate cricket he wouldn't have got his chance in county cricket or the IPL and the world would have been deprived of one of its top 5 all rounders.
These types of players form the platform for the next generation. Out of Aravinda da Silva came Sangakkara and Jayawardene. The players that inspire the next generation.
I am sure when Sri Lanka first came to the fore these arguments were had time and time again. Imagine how much poorer a place international cricket would have been without Jayasuriya, Sanga, Jayawardene, Murali and Malinga.
Now it took decades for new nations to start getting their first wins in a less professional era, it will only be harder now. I for one look forward to seeing teams like Bangladesh actually being more competitive against the rest of the world.
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Their test record of 0/18 wins over the last 5 years in that regards probably doesn't give them the best of overviews.
Two points here-
1. We were comparing performances of not just tests but one dayers as well. As indicated by the results provided by shortpitch (8-0 for zim).
2. In the 80s most cricketers had a second job and there I cannot say it was fully professional. Therefore, for a new cricketing nation it was difficult but not extremely difficult to catch up to the semi - professionals given enough time. However, as cricket is being played more professionally now the players skills have gone high and now not as easy to pick it up rather requires a combination of skill sets, experiences and competitive first class infrastructure. The point is you can not use two teams from different times to calculate their improvement Over time unless they are over the same time period.
Yes I saw the statistics provided by star sports but just as you can not compare two players from two different eras you can not compare two teams/ nations improvement from different times.
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Some major differences between Ireland and Bangladesh:-
1. Ireland might get $20m over 8 years, Bangladesh $70m from the ICC
2. Ireland already have a first class structure of sorts - it's called the County Championship and home to most of their players.
I'm not knocking Bangladesh here, just pointing out that Ireland in many ways are ahead of the same curve and don't receive the same funding. I imagine equal funding would allow a first class structure proper in Ireland and more players making the grade.
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Only thing I saw recently was what about Irish players eligibility to play in county cricket if they got test status? I'm unsure how they qualify to do so at the moment, anyone else know?
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Only thing I saw recently was what about Irish players eligibility to play in county cricket if they got test status? I'm unsure how they qualify to do so at the moment, anyone else know?
EU employment law most likely covers it, is illegal to restrict workers between EU countries.
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Some major differences between Ireland and Bangladesh:-
1. Ireland might get $20m over 8 years, Bangladesh $70m from the ICC
2. Ireland already have a first class structure of sorts - it's called the County Championship and home to most of their players.
I'm not knocking Bangladesh here, just pointing out that Ireland in many ways are ahead of the same curve and don't receive the same funding. I imagine equal funding would allow a first class structure proper in Ireland and more players making the grade.
There is a structure in Ireland called the inter pros. Made of leinster lightening (Dublin based) northwest warriors (londonderry) and Northern knights (Belfast) They play each other in 3 day matches, 50 and 20 over matches and have been great to bridge the gap from club to international cricket. There are plans to introduce a 4th team from the south for the 20/20s in 2016. There are also plans to get first class status for the 3 day games. Lots of work is going on to try push for further development of the game in Ireland
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Bit of a tangent (sorry) but those grounds in New Zealand look amazing
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Would there be anything stopping Ireland playing a 5 day game against the lions, or other '2nd' tier international sides (if that makes sense)
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Some major differences between Ireland and Bangladesh:-
1. Ireland might get $20m over 8 years, Bangladesh $70m from the ICC
2. Ireland already have a first class structure of sorts - it's called the County Championship and home to most of their players.
I'm not knocking Bangladesh here, just pointing out that Ireland in many ways are ahead of the same curve and don't receive the same funding. I imagine equal funding would allow a first class structure proper in Ireland and more players making the grade.
1. Isn't that true for any full time member and was also true for Srilanka when bs did not have test status?
2. Well Bangladesh also have a first class structure :-).
You say you are not knocking Bangladesh which you are doing implicitly, but sincerely how do you expect an associated member to be funded same as a full member. Every team including Bd has gone through this stage that Ireland is going through now. Let it run its course without blaming other teams.
Before blaming Bd let us look at ICC and what they did regarding this issue. Since getting test status India has denied to invite be for a test series ( 15 years now) and also be does not get to play half the tests against decent opposition like other teams do. But I understand this is a phase every team has to go through. Now with the advent of big 3 I am assuming bullying of this sort can only increase. So we are expecting bd to win tests against already good test nations while having played much less test matches thAn they play per year. Does it not sound a little odd.
I fully support Ireland to get test status but I will pledge so that Ireland gets more tests to improve themselves. Therefore, rather than counting just the years in test arena they can actually play more to improve more.
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1. Isn't that true for any full time member and was also true for Srilanka when bs did not have test status?
2. Well Bangladesh also have a first class structure :-).
You say you are not knocking Bangladesh which you are doing implicitly, but sincerely how do you expect an associated member to be funded same as a full member. Every team including Bd has gone through this stage that Ireland is going through now. Let it run its course without blaming other teams.
I was highlighting differences not knocking Bangladesh, even implicitly. Yes Bangladesh are a full member but given similar funding, Ireland would be a decent addition to the Full Members club. Somebody also pointed out that Bangladesh didn't have a first class structure when they got full member status. That isn't their fault, but I was pointing out Ireland are better placed in that respect. To me, a much more meaningful comparison would be to Zimbabwe. A smaller playing population with an inter provincial structure.
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1. Isn't that true for any full time member and was also true for Srilanka when bs did not have test status?
2. Well Bangladesh also have a first class structure :-).
You say you are not knocking Bangladesh which you are doing implicitly, but sincerely how do you expect an associated member to be funded same as a full member. Every team including Bd has gone through this stage that Ireland is going through now. Let it run its course without blaming other teams.
Before blaming Bd let us look at ICC and what they did regarding this issue. Since getting test status India has denied to invite be for a test series ( 15 years now) and also be does not get to play half the tests against decent opposition like other teams do. But I understand this is a phase every team has to go through. Now with the advent of big 3 I am assuming bullying of this sort can only increase. So we are expecting bd to win tests against already good test nations while having played much less test matches thAn they play per year. Does it not sound a little odd.
I fully support Ireland to get test status but I will pledge so that Ireland gets more tests to improve themselves. Therefore, rather than counting just the years in test arena they can actually play more to improve more.
Bangladesh Now has better domestic structure than ever before. when it comes to the Asian teams, its the respective cricket boards and politics which delays the development of the game in those countries, be it Bangaldesh, India, Pakistan or Srilanka.
No one is suggesting to strip the Test status of Bangladesh, just saying that Ireland showed enough progress to be included in Test playing nations. I am sure with the way they(Ireland) are playing, In 5 years or so they would be in the middle of the pack of Test playing nations if given a chance...
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Yes I saw the statistics provided by star sports but just as you can not compare two players from two different eras you can not compare two teams/ nations improvement from different times.
I am not comparing Srilanka and Bangladesh here, All I was doing is to measure the progress of Bangladesh in International cricket. When Srilanka were minnows, they were compared to India(for their progress) as they took their own time to progress and rise the standard of their game. But Srilanka Surpassed that timeline and created a new benchmark. If one country can do it why not the Other, thats about it. Why they are not able to progress is whole issue and discussion altogether.
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I'm not sure Ireland would be in the middle of the test pack, but I imagine they would be better than Zim in all formats and better than Bangladesh overseas. Possibly better than the Windies as well, as they just proved!
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Bangladesh Now has better domestic structure than ever before. when it comes to the Asian teams, its the respective cricket boards and politics which delays the development of the game in those countries, be it Bangaldesh, India, Pakistan or Srilanka.
No one is suggesting to strip the Test status of Bangladesh, just saying that Ireland showed enough progress to be included in Test playing nations. I am sure with the way they(Ireland) are playing, In 5 years or so they would be in the middle of the pack of Test playing nations if given a chance...
I never said or even implied that, anyone is suggesting in this forum to strip test status of Bangladesh.
And again, If Ireland is not given enough tests to play per year in the FTP then middle pack of test playing nations far away it will be even harder for them to compete against lower ranked test teams. It is not about just giving the test status, it is about following it up to ensure the purpose is served. I wish I clarified my views.
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I am not comparing Srilanka and Bangladesh here, All I was doing is to measure the progress of Bangladesh in International cricket. When Srilanka were minnows, they were compared to India(for their progress) as they took their own time to progress and rise the standard of their game. But Srilanka Surpassed that timeline and created a new benchmark. If one country can do it why not the Other, thats about it. Why they are not able to progress is whole issue and discussion altogether.
Please follow my previous post related why this benchmark may not be suitable for teams across different era. It is the same reason you can not compare a batsman having better average to a more famous counterpart in a previous era having less batting avg.
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I'm not sure Ireland would be in the middle of the test pack, but I imagine they would be better than Zim in all formats and better than Bangladesh overseas. Possibly better than the Windies as well, as they just proved!
This is more realistic. But again it is ICC and the respective cricket boards to ensure they get enough opportunities like bigger cricketing nations.
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RIP England. Southee unreal.
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Poor poor effort England. Southee bowled beautifully
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This has to be the worse england odi side I've ever seen.
No spines at all.
Only ever seems to be one batsmen that shows up per game. Atrocious.
Heads should roll.
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Just seen the score, oh dear
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Insane game. McCullum going nuts.
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NZ are too good. It happens.
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I think more than NZ being good it's a combination of than and how bad England is.
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Wow..... Can't say much else!!!! Well played NZ
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In new Zealand people say Boult swings the ball more than southee. One particular end swings more than the other. At the end that is swinging takes loads of wickets.
Now you are the England manager and jimmy Anderson. Which end do you bowl from???
Clueless...
They should refund the England fans their ticket prices.
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Omg that was a pasting. Where do England go from here? My bet is on Scotland
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I think that the best thing for it is for the English supporters to give up on cricket, sell all your fabulous kit at ridiculously low prices to your friends from down under. What say you?
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Omg that was a pasting. Where do England go from here? My bet is on Scotland
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Na , not Scotland ... If it would have been Ireland , then maybe but I am sure England will come back .. bring back Hales ...
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Just seen the scorecard, no contest!
I'm sure the England management will find a way to spin this. Only positive is Morgan scored more than 0.
England seem to have gotten worse after dropping bopara ;).
Just shows how poor the format is this World Cup. England can lose to the big teams and still qualify.
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1 6 0 0 4 4 4 4 4 0 1 6 4 0 4 6 0 6 6 6 6 4 0 1 W
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I think that the best thing for it is for the English supporters to give up on cricket, sell all your fabulous kit at ridiculously low prices to your friends from down under. What say you?
Please don't forget us Canadians also, part of the Commonwealth :D
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I didn't think England could get any worse at limited overs stuff, surely something has to change. Might as well cheer on the Irish.
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I bet Alastair Cook is laughing his back off!!
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Positives. Positives. Plenty to take from this game.
I had Mccullum and southee in my fantasy team. Boom. Booyah
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I think I got over 1000 points from it!! Had Guptil and Boult as well as McCullum & Southee
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ENG should do the decent thing and just pack their bags and go hme.
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I bet Alastair Cook is laughing his back off!!
Not as much as KP probably is.
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oh wow just seen the result that just ridiculous
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Given this performance, I'm wondering when England will be relegated to Associate status for ODI cricket.
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Given this performance, I'm wondering when England will be relegated to Associate status for ODI cricket.
Better off giving Englands odi games to ireland. Ireland would put up more of a fight
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But I thought broad said " Without doubt the most powerful batting line-up I've ever played with,"
Looking really powerful now ;)
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But I thought broad said " Without doubt the most powerful batting line-up I've ever played with,"
Looking really powerful now ;)
Maybe it is, maybe he hasn't played with powerful batting line ups.
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But I thought broad said " Without doubt the most powerful batting line-up I've ever played with,"
Looking really powerful now ;)
We should none of us, take any notice of any public utterance by Broad.
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Given this performance, I'm wondering when England will be relegated to Associate status for ODI cricket.
Hey! we could win that! (or at least make the semis)
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England counted out 123.
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We should none of us, take any notice of any public utterance by Broad.
Better add downton to that list, who can forget: " "Peter is the outstanding coach of his generation. This is the future,"
That's what happens when you choose a bargain basement coach.
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Quote from Aggers on the BBC Website:
In theory, England can still win the World Cup. But how much damage has already been done?
Please can I have some of what he is smoking?
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Nothings as bad as what Giles Clarke said "cook is the right kind of man, and has the right kind of family, to be the England captain"
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It's all a bit Lemony Snicket - but England need to be looking at the cause.
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Given idiotic attitude of some of major cricketing countries, ICC should definitely have a system where major countries should be relegated to associate if they cant perform and promote the trying countries. See WI for example, they seem to be so lost while on field and on opposite, see the body language of Ireland, Scotland, they want to play and belong in the elite teams. Something like football/soccer system . Unless ICC does something about it, the day is not far off when teams will stop trying and we will loose a beautiful sport.
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Without getting to high on my "Moores is Rubbish" high horse again - facts are facts. His record first time was rubbish, 3 England captains left due to him, his methods were questionable in some cases and he's proving it all over again. He might get away with this fiasco but I'm not sure he'll survive being stuffed in the ashes. This ODI should in theory be as good as anyone but it's not performing and players are going backwards. When that happens you have to look at the coach.
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We should none of us, take any notice of any public utterance by Broad.
I do hope he's staying humble.
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Broad's just trying to back his team mates, dont come down on him for that. He always plays with heart and should be ODI captain. Having an English captain would be a good start, I'm still disgusted at Morgans complete lack of interest during the national anthem, dont blame an irish catholic for not singing god save the queen, but dont make him national captain. Youll never be any good with a team of mercenaries. Pick Englishmen!
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#salaryrealitycheck
#howmuchisapintofmilk
#timetoearnthatinflatedsalary
Seriously - how can you earn that much, practice that much ans still not be able to 'execute your skills'????????????????????
Zimbo, Pak and Kiwi players must look at some of our pampered, overinflated ego players and coaching staff and laugh.
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Broad's just trying to back his team mates, dont come down on him for that. He always plays with heart and should be ODI captain.
For me personally (and this is just my opinion) he's inconsistent, petulant and I suspect a little shell-shocked in his batting. Not captaincy material for me I'm afraid.
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For me personally (and this is just my opinion) he's inconsistent, petulant and I suspect a little shell-shocked in his batting. Not captaincy material for me I'm afraid.
And he's looked at sea during T20's as captain, isn't consistent enough and has a bit of a "questionable" temperament/temper on the field.
And he stands next to the square leg umpire when the quicks come on!
Not my choice for national captain either, problem being of the squad currently selected there's no obvious pick!
New coach required who selects the best players, not those who's faces fit, have the right family and are nice blokes!
#MooresOut
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Well that was worth the admission alone. Kiwis battered England good and proper.
Southee quite outstanding. McCullum destroying the pop gun England attack. Priceless.
Buttler, Ballance, Anderson and Finn pathetic. Par for the course.
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Well that was worth the admission alone. Kiwis battered England good and proper.
Southee quite outstanding. McCullum destroying the pop gun England attack. Priceless.
Buttler, Ballance, Anderson and Finn pathetic. Par for the course.
I'd have been pissed off I saw less than half a game personally!
Useless England side performing so poorly they're ripping their own fans off twice as much for tickets now!
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England are completely clueless. Not a single bowler can hit a line or length, Broad is a complete waste if space with both bat and ball, behind the scenes god only knows what's discussed but it certainly can't be out into plan in the middle, it's been said before but we are 10 years behind other nations with the thought process to modern odi cricket .
I personally agree with. Nasser and would drop 5-6 of these players including broad, Anderson, bell, and play the younger players like billings, hales, gurney, bell-Drummond plus plenty more and I would rather lose with kids that may show some (No Swearing Please) as opposed to these over rated 1 day muppets we currently have
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Watching the replay on Fox.
Frankly, I'm not sure what Bell, Ali, Taylor, Butler or Woakes could have possibly done. Southee was unplayable. The ball that bowled Taylor swung 47cm for heavens sake, good luck getting a bat on that.
Waiting to watch the McCullum show in the second innings now.....
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Don't think there is anything more amusing in cricket than broad and anderson's faces when they are getting smashed around. Probably add philander into that.
The irony that sky sports have prior and Strauss on the verdict talking about how to bat in odi cricket and bat aggressively ;).
Love how the solution to everything now is that England players should go play more IPL. All well and good saying they should but no chance of them getting picked with performances like today.
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Watched almost the entire game last night, didn't think i'd be able to but holy NZ.... Great bowling effort but also some of the wickets were handed.
Bell trying to make room on the leg side to play to off bowled to a slight but very good outswinger, Ali is scared of the short ball and fell for Short & up strategy, Ballance hit the ball direct to a fielder in air!! I can go on...
on the other hand NZ were fielding like a wild animal on a hunt and smelling blood, great intent and haven't seen that in a long time.
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Went to bed just as Morgan got out last night. Just knew we wouldn't finish with a good score as we don't seem capable of digging in and fighting when things get tough. However, I didn't expect to see us totally annihilated. Fair play to NZ, great bowling from Southee which gave McCullum total freedom to do what he does best! Having watched all the games so far I though Scotland looked the weakest team, but they still managed to fight to a respectable score from a poor start. England are, on current form, now the weakest team in the tournament. If the Aus v Bang game is rained off as expected we might well be heading home early as we'll not make the top 4 in the group.
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having seen many world cups i'm not surprised at our performance(non). save 1992 when we got done by the magic of wasim akram we hav'nt looked like winning since. Back in 1992 we actually were a good side....
the problem is now, England cannot pick either alex hales or ravi bopara because that will smack of yet another change of plan when we should of sorted out the team before we played a match.
ive watched England long enough not to be suicidal about it,I was in Australia in '94 when we got beat 3-1 following the team round the that set me up never to get too down about losing.
the thing I cannot understand is how we are now practising Yorkers when before we went with a policy of short slower balls which vanished all over the place
it's exasperating viewing.....I'm glad Ashley Giles did not get the coaches job, I just wonder if Moores is up to it.Talks well but how many cricketers do we know that talk a great game and continually fail?
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sickener - good ball and what looks quite like a broken bat to boot:
(http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/206200/206295.jpg)
I wonder if Mr Ali will also be watching the Forum tomorrow for B3's specials.
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I think despite his Netherlands cock up Giles would of made a better ODI/T20 coach than Moores. He's struck me as a thinking cricketer, much in the mould of Collingwood and I doubt he would of persisted with bowling and batting how they are. Let's not forget Moores has had the entire summer and 6 ODI's in Sri Lanka to formulate a plan. He strikes me as a reactive coach who goes down one route for as long as he can. Unless I'm mistaken his greatest acheivements have come in the County Championship in the 4 day format as opposed to one day cricket.
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you certainly have a point,could Giles of done any worse-no, any better-maybe.....he has at least been there in international cricket
On Collingwood I actually think it's criminal he is not permanently involved with us, he done some coaching and no offer was forthcoming
we could of employed him for the World Cup on fielding alone.....
Instead he is working with Scotland.
It would be worth the money just to have him around even to talk to and work with even is that was to suck up his knowledge
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In some respects, coaches you haven't played international are always facing an uphill battle. Warne was never a fan of Buchanan for example. It's alot easier to gain trust and respect if you have done the job before, likewise players will be happier to listen to your ideas. Whatever coaching badges they don't have, Giles and Colly would of had some acceptance from the players. You only have to see Lehmann taking over from Micky Arthur to realise how it can galvanise a side.
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As well as Collywobble we could bring back a load of Ex Players into the staff.
KP - Batting Coach
The King of Spain - spin coach
Steve Harmy - Seamers coach
Super Fred - director of nights out
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As well as Collywobble we could bring back a load of Ex Players into the staff.
KP - Batting Coach
The King of Spain - spin coach
Steve Harmy - Seamers coach
Super Fred - director of nights out
Except for King of spain there is merit to this, although I think someone else could do a better job than Harmison...
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Except for King of spain there is merit to this, although I think someone else could do a better job than Harmison...
Darren Gough! He knew how to get a good Yorkie bar down there.
Swanny G spot as spin coach maybe?
Michael Vaughan as batting coach/captaincy adviser
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well i enjoyed the game i really did great bowling first inning Southee unplayable then the fireworks.
Lot of people mentality is all wrong we got beat by a much better side who executed the plan and with precision.
I'm a massive England fan and still expect us to qualify but Southee and Bish bosh belter defiantly made my Sky fee worthwhile
I just love cricket
All that happend is we played two form sides and got belted if you really expected different did you ???
I kind of did but understand the two sides we have played are just better than us and play as teams
All this dribble about KP becoming a coach no thanks weather you like it or not his smell effects this team yes he is our best batsman but please he is as much to do with this mentality as the poor coaches
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well i enjoyed the game i really did great bowling first inning Southee unplayable then the fireworks.
Lot of people mentality is all wrong we got beat by a much better side who executed the plan and with precision.
I'm a massive England fan and still expect us to qualify but Southee and Bish bosh belter defiantly made my Sky fee worthwhile
I just love cricket
All that happend is we played two form sides and got belted if you really expected different did you ???
I kind of did but understand the two sides we have played are just better than us and play as teams
All this dribble about KP becoming a coach no thanks weather you like it or not his smell effects this team yes he is our best batsman but please he is as much to do with this mentality as the poor coaches
Agree with you in the main here mate, my frustration isn't really just from the NZ game but the overall way we approach the odi game and then the absolute Bull that it spouted in the aftermath, better at the basics blah blah blah the basics is what you guys as professional players should have mastered by the time you made 2nd teams not international status, the England side is backward.
The one thing I disagree with is KP. He is our best player and personally I see no one in the next 10 years having the impact on a game for England like he does. You pick your best 11 players for a World Cup and he is our best batsmen, he for me should not have been dropped after the ashes but others still in and around should, broad, Anderson and bell are completely useless in odi cricket broad especially just seems to think he can hit the pitch like he is quick when in truth he just isn't.
The captaincy and coaching is just a complete loss on me as the way we play surly can not be what is talked about. The first over of the NZ game the openers left 5 of 6 delivers go through to the keeper where as you look at the NZ players they are fearless. I think the overall problem was mentioned on sky in that players are so scared to be dropped and when they are the ones coming in have had no match time
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We should back the coach and captain through the World Cup even if they are the wrong choice.
It should be looked at afterwards. I said at the time why are they replacing Cook with someone who as as out of form.
The bowling plans are rubbish. They seem to try to bowl what they are not good at.
The batsmen seem to want to be big hitters but aren't good enough for that. Just play your natural game, like Root did last night and Taylor the game before.
The team is solid enough that it shouldn't be getting humiliated by the big teams, beaten yes, humiliated no.
The one thing I disagree with is KP. He is our best player
This.
How does someone rate 'best' player?
Form?
Consistency?
Aggression?
KP is our most dangerous player, but statistics show he was not the best.
Here are the last five years averages, for reference.
Trott - 51.25
Cook - 38.5
KP - 31
Obviously injuries and opposition may play a part, etc.
There is no point looking to the past, we need the future blooded in after this WC for the sake of the game.
Should Moores go? Probably, depending how we do against the 'minnows' and Srj Lanka. Hypothetically, could get a win I the final 8 and be in the semis with a bit of luck then they will say it wasn't a total loss.
Moores will get the summer to potentially humiliate the country further.
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And the fact the guy is a total dyson for any team
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We should back the coach and captain through the World Cup even if they are the wrong choice.
It should be looked at afterwards. I said at the time why are they replacing Cook with someone who as as out of form.
The bowling plans are rubbish. They seem to try to bowl what they are not good at.
The batsmen seem to want to be big hitters but aren't good enough for that. Just play your natural game, like Root did last night and Taylor the game before.
The team is solid enough that it shouldn't be getting humiliated by the big teams, beaten yes, humiliated no.
This.
How does someone rate 'best' player?
Form?
Consistency?
Aggression?
KP is our most dangerous player, but statistics show he was not the best.
Here are the last five years averages, for reference.
Trott - 51.25
Cook - 38.5
KP - 31
Obviously injuries and opposition may play a part, etc.
There is no point looking to the past, we need the future blooded in after this WC for the sake of the game.
Should Moores go? Probably, depending how we do against the 'minnows' and Srj Lanka. Hypothetically, could get a win I the final 8 and be in the semis with a bit of luck then they will say it wasn't a total loss.
Moores will get the summer to potentially humiliate the country further.
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disagree
why does it matter how eng do against he minnows?? they are minnows!! Eng should be beating them with a 2nd string team, let alone at a world cup. That's just eh ECB hack line that they will trawl out when they beat a few minnows etc
They should be fired right now, make a stand against mediocrity. 'Get behind the lads'... it's not club cricket ffs.. these guys couldn't care less what the avg 'fan' thinks or says.. WE are deluding ourselves if we think we have any effect on them
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Amusingly. I believe full well that the lions team that toured south africa would have put up a better fight. I believe they'd have still lost both games as aus and nz are two of the best odi side currently and have home advantage.
But I reckon in both games the lions would have scored 250 plus. And took both games into the last 5 overs
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disagree
why does it matter how eng do against he minnows?? they are minnows!! Eng should be beating them with a 2nd string team, let alone at a world cup. That's just eh ECB hack line that they will trawl out when they beat a few minnows etc
They should be fired right now, make a stand against mediocrity. 'Get behind the lads'... it's not club cricket ffs.. these guys couldn't care less what the avg 'fan' thinks or says.. WE are deluding ourselves if we think we have any effect on them
I'm saying that if we lose to the minnows, Moores might go now. If we don't, he'll probably be around for the summer. God help us.
If you can't back your team when they need it, why bother supporting them ever? They have picked the squad, the coaches, they have their plans. It's not working but you can't change it now. What do you think will happen? They'll turn round and say, oh wait, you're right, everyone here go home, we are changing the squad right now? No, obviously not. Because that can't happen. So give them some support.
Who do you want to fire? The players? The coaches? The administration?
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Who do you want to fire? The players? The coaches? The administration?
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Certainly all the coaches, analysts and ECB administrators.. Players like Broad need to be sent packing, the guy is now a waste of space. Keep the young lads but they need to be hungry.. if they aren't get rid.
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Players like Broad... That worked well when they did that to Pietersen. The 'hungry' ones? Well, if they don't listen to the fans, as you said earlier, you will never find any hungry ones. It's not the players fault they have been picked.
The analysts? What get other analysts to replace them? You need analysts to see how things happen.
Administrators, not sure how they affect the game on the day unless they are having an effect on selection?
Coaches and selection 'committee' is where I think where to look. You need a coach that can pick his team, have decent plans (A,B and C). And then he can build his team around the aggressive and accumulating players.
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Players like Broad... That worked well when they did that to Pietersen. The 'hungry' ones? Well, if they don't listen to the fans, as you said earlier, you will never find any hungry ones. It's not the players fault they have been picked.
The analysts? What get other analysts to replace them? You need analysts to see how things happen.
Administrators, not sure how they affect the game on the day unless they are having an effect on selection?
Coaches and selection 'committee' is where I think where to look. You need a coach that can pick his team, have decent plans (A,B and C). And then he can build his team around the aggressive and accumulating players.
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are these teh same analysts who think bowling slower ball bouncers is statistically the best bet??
Administrators affect the game massively fromt eh top to the bottom.. that is the problem!!
At least Broad is being shown to be aweful.. KP was the best batsmen in his last tour!! when injured too
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But Finn is worse than Broad? He's got to go first.
Is that the analysts? Is in not the coaches who tell the bowlers what to do? I do t know, I am genuinely asking. So is it a question of not having analysts at all?
If the team was statistically the best ODI team a couple of years ago, surely the administration cannot be totally flawed?
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But Finn is worse than Broad? He's got to go first.
Is that the analysts? Is in not the coaches who tell the bowlers what to do? I do t know, I am genuinely asking. So is it a question of not having analysts at all?
If the team was statistically the best ODI team a couple of years ago, surely the administration cannot be totally flawed?
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Managers, coaches, analysts, administrators earn their corn when things are bad... that's when you find out if people are made of the right stuff. I don't know the answer mate, I'd just rather they sack the lot and start again with a completely clean slate
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Gayle fails again, there goes west indies chances
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Had jamshed held on to the Smith chance. Windies would have been in trouble.
Gayle doesn't look anything like the gayle of old. Both in demeanour and batting style.
He seems very wooden.and like he has set plans given.
Block.bloxk block block. Smash. Block. Block.block smash.
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He looks like a man whose back is completely shot
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^^^^^^^^ wait until April, u will see the gayle storm butchering dindas and kumars of IPL :D
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Butchering was done by Russel. Stand, don't move feet, use muscles, smash..
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Pakistan were 1 for 4 wickets in overs. Shocking
Holder the new captain.
Still a long way to go for west indies to build any kind of consistency. Gayle should stick to IPL really.
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Terrible fielding by Pakistan.
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Lots of records made by Pakistan though:
Last 5 overs (bowling) = 79 runs
First 5 overs (batting) = 1 run 4 wickets
Younis Khan = 7th Golden Duck in his career
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I thought ENG were bad but PAK hav takken being sh!t to a whole new level.
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A lot has been said about Russell being crap etc.
Think he's done pretty well since bravo's been dropped.
Time for dwayne smith to get the boot. Worst opener to play 100 odi's. Average of under 19
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Some of the boys at my club were telling me this morning (Oz time) that the Pakistani team were a genuine contender!
For you English gents;
Interesting to hear Athers say he would have had Hales in 12 months ago.
Surely it's time to give Ben Stokes a game?
Where the hell is Trott these days?
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Some of the boys at my club were telling me this morning (Oz time) that the Pakistani team were a genuine contender!
For you English gents;
Interesting to hear Athers say he would have had Hales in 12 months ago.
18 months ago he was ranked as the best T20 batsman in the world, surely that would've been the time to get him in the side
Surely it's time to give Ben Stokes a game?
Stokes isn't even in the squad, the selectors are that good!
Where the hell is Trott these days?
he was captain on the recent lions tour, but if a full comeback is on the cards I don't think anyone can say at this stage
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A fully fit(physical and mental) trott should always be in our side. He was so consistent and reliable in the odi format.
Wonder what currently people's sides would be?
Root(c)
Hales
Trott
Ballance
Stokes
Ali
Buttler
Woakes
tredwell
Anderson
Broad
Squad members.
Finn
Billings
Roy
Plunkett
It's funny how 3/4 years ago the commentators and such were raging about the strength in depth we had in bowling. Swann broads Anderson bresnan Finn rankin tremlett etc.
Yet swann retires, and suddenly the rest are useless, and although I was trying to find alternatives for braid Anderson and Finn, I'm not sure we currently have any?
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I'd go for a squad of:
Vince
Roy
Trott
Ballance
Stokes
Root
Moeen
Buttler
Billings
Plunkett
Wood
Willey
Rashid
Plunkett
Woakes
Looking at that I may've gone for too many bowlers but you'd have a decent side with plenty of cover there!
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Wright (inform all season for Sussex and smashed it in the big bash IN AUSTRALIA)(adds a medium pace option - replaces Ravi)
Hales (good season for notts, aggressive, plays the short ball well)
Trott (since his return he had a brilliant limited overs season)
Taylor
Root
Roy/Ali
Stokes
Butler/billings
Jordan
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Cracking one handed catch by the dude in the crowd!
Although 2 down. Afghan looking composed at mo.
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Probably only me watching but.
The afghans are 125 for 2 after 26. Stanikzai with a run a ball 50.
Sri Lanka. And particularly malinga look poor again.
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Finally gave in to the temptation.
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doing some in game betting so I'm watching. as you say, Malinga looks poor agian. tbh, SL bowling looks as toothless as Eng
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Tbh Afghanistan look like they are looking for a boundary ball every couple of overs, with one guy taking the chance while the other hangs around. In between boundaries they just nick singles. Sensible stuff and 250 might cause some problems in the conditions.
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doing some in game betting so I'm watching. as you say, Malinga looks poor agian. tbh, SL bowling looks as toothless as Eng
Don't think he worked much on his fitness whiled injured! Not sure your opening bowler should have a gut, unless you play club cricket that is :-)
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Don't think he worked much on his fitness whiled injured! Not sure your opening bowler should have a gut, unless you play club cricket that is :-)
haha, I saw that when they were doing their national anthem.
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He middled that pull shot! Sounded like a gunshot.
And now they've got a bit excited and given another wicket away holing out.
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Andy Moles could do with missing some puddings as well!
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How often do you see bowlers swapping one shoe?
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PS: Hamid Hassan's shoe had ripped so he borrowed Shahpoor Zardaran's boot (in blue).
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Some knock here by dhawan, Maybe on course for a double. Not bad for a flat track bully.
Philander took the better option to walk of the ground
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Hope my boys can buck the trend and chase down 307 ???
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Excellent batting , hope we can defeat SA for the first time in world cup . Will be a big boost to confidence..
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All well and good averaging 55 as Amla does and smashing West Indies about but continues to show he doesn't score in the big games. Doesn't have the bottle...rubbish record in odi tournaments
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Gerry will come up with some stats to prove that he is the best batsman to walk the planet!
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Gerry will come up with some stats to prove that he is the best batsman to walk the planet!
He'll probably use his "stat" that this is "Amla's first World Cup" ;)
Faf's playing a test match here
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That head high short ball outside off is an opener's bane! Amla should have let it go. Why did you do, Amla? Why? Why didn't you just play a over-and-above or a late cut as 3rd man was back. What a shame.
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Are sa really that desperate for de viliers not to stump?
Roussow got in form a few nice tons yeah. Boom de cock isn't injured so your out he's in....... and very much like our random picking off ballance. De cock looks all at sea.
A world cup is no place to get your eye in after injury!!
Amla and de cock gone. But I'm not sure India have the bowling to stop du de du and da.
As for the other game. How well did the afghans do? Only a cameo from per era at the end cost them victory!! I'm impressed with hem so far. And they should get a victory or to to celebrate at there first world cup(something they share with amla.......)
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AFG were amazing except for last 10-12 overs. In the beginning, SL were 2-2. I was rooting for AFGs!
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Game over! AB chokes and runs himself out.
Miller and duminy won't last long against the off spinner
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The day an Englishman(who's team is the most pathetic around) can judge a player like Amla is the day hell freezes over...
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All well and good averaging 55 as Amla does and smashing West Indies about but continues to show he doesn't score in the big games. Doesn't have the bottle...rubbish record in odi tournaments
Stick to watching non talents like Root and Cook. Neither would make the Proteas 'B' side.
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Bite time we found your Kryptonite Chokers return
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Lol
SA choking
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Bite time we found your Kryptonite Chokers return
Yeah sure they have...
Getting outplayed by the World Champions is hardly as embarrassing as getting rolled for 100 odd against a side of nearly men.
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Why did DeVilliers run for that second?!!! Why? Why couldn't he just play a risk-free inning and build a risk-free partnership with Kohli-Dhawan. Haste makes waste. He could've scored that extra single later. Why, AB? Why?
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Yeah sure they have...
Getting outplayed by the World Champions is hardly as embarrassing as getting rolled for 100 odd against a side of nearly men.
But as i have explained i just love cricket pal makes no odds to me :D
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Faf gone! GD-it! Why can't they just play a late cut to the short ball. Paddle shot?!!!!
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Why did DeVilliers run for that second?!!! Why? Why couldn't he just play a risk-free inning and build a risk-free partnership with Kohli-Dhawan. Haste makes waste. He could've scored that extra single later. Why, AB? Why?
Must've felt the owe the India's after all the IPL riches...(sarcasm)
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If we beat India in the pre World Cup tri-series and South Africa are going to lose to them does that mean we are infact better then South Africa? ;)
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I think us england fans know we are not much good,against high quality bowling in th NZ game we were outclassed.but in this game indias bowling is nothing special and SA seem to be bottling it.theres really no other word for it
Great pitch quick outfield 300 should be gettable against this attack
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I think us england fans know we are not much good,against high quality bowling in th NZ game we were outclassed.but in this game indias bowling is nothing special and SA seem to be bottling it.theres really no other word for it
Great pitch quick outfield 300 should be gettable against this attack
SA Batsmen are making unnecessary mistakes. Kohli-Dhawan provided a template for a risk-free partnership. Take 1s, 2s, and an occsional boundary to keep the run rate high.
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Big match now get ready for him to come back when or if they win.
Haha Good finish this one could go anyway
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Yeah sure they have...
Getting outplayed by the World Champions is hardly as embarrassing as getting rolled for 100 odd against a side of nearly men.
Remind me who beat India twice just a few weeks ago??
AB is choking... Team full of chokers. De cock is useless, but like Ali really
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Remind me who beat India twice just a few weeks ago??
AB is choking... Team full of chokers. De cock is useless, but like Ali really
Definitely looking the weaker group if India prove to be the best team. I fear for SA against Aus or NZ.
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Definitely looking the weaker group if India prove to be the best team. I fear for SA against Aus or NZ.
I need SA to buckle up for my bet but my god.. If they are losing to India then they could be embarrassed like England quite easily
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Stick to watching non talents like Root and Cook. Neither would make the Proteas 'B' side.
Was that the same B team that Stokes scored 151* in 117 balls against and we beat 3-1 in the 50 over format ( letting them have a consolation win in the final game)?
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Do not write of India is what i say
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If the pitches start to crumble during the latter stages of the tournament, then india will win the championship.
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Another run out,loads of overs left !
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If the pitches start to crumble during the latter stages of the tournament, then india will win the championship.
Making Eng better than SA then as SA haven't beaten India ???
What does it feel like to be a choker Gerry? At least we knew Eng were crap :) You actually thought you were good.. haha
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Can't see SA winning from here
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India deserve credit thou lets not forget that
They have fielded well and the batting is always good
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Making Eng better than SA then as SA haven't beaten India ???
What does it feel like to be a choker Gerry? At least we knew Eng were crap :) You actually thought you were good.. haha
England beat India in your head?
As far as I'm aware england are 0-2 in this World Cup
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So Gerry what is your assessment of this game mate.
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India have outclassed, outmuscled and out hustled South Africa. This chap Dhoni is great leader of men in limited overs cricket. India have bounced out Southern Hemisphere opposition. Staggering.
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And for the love of God never select Parnell again.
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In my opinion there is very little difference between the SA and the England side, like it or not both sides have top quality players the problem is both never live up to potential, SA unfortunately have a a choker tag and although too early to say at this stage after all only there 2nd game they should have made a better effort of this run chase but for once India have bowled ok.
England well where the hell do you start I'm just sick of the corporate crap the players spill and Moores after 2 awful performances.
End of the day though England have one a major world competition in the world T20, SA on the other hand!! Correct me if I'm wrong Gerry although having just seen another 2 SA wickets call I'll give you a few minutes to wipe away the tears mate lol, like us English mate there is always another World Cup in a few years time lol
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In my opinion there is very little difference between the SA and the England side, like it or not both sides have top quality players the problem is both never live up to potential, SA unfortunately have a a choker tag and although too early to say at this stage after all only there 2nd game they should have made a better effort of this run chase but for once India have bowled ok.
England well where the hell do you start I'm just sick of the corporate crap the players spill and Moores after 2 awful performances.
End of the day though England have one a major world competition in the world T20, SA on the other hand!! Correct me if I'm wrong Gerry although having just seen another 2 SA wickets call I'll give you a few minutes to wipe away the tears mate lol, like us English mate there is always another World Cup in a few years time lol
South Africa have won the ICC knockout(which is the rebranded ICC champions trophy).
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Imran tahir > Stuart broad
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Imran tahir > Stuart broad
Not saying much mate! ;)
Big Gaz in 4's > Imran Tahir :D
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Imran tahir > Stuart broad
Both absolute muppets lol
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yes , we won over SA finally ... But do fear playing against weaker teams will lessen the momentum that we have ...
And for SA , make no mistake guys, they will come back stronger ...
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If the pitches start to crumble during the latter stages of the tournament, then india will win the championship.
Very funny, I didn't know as/nz pitches turned into Bunsen burners. I might of missed something from the last 30 years of watching cricket in aus!
Secondly, do you really think aus/nz will play India on a turning wicket. No chance, it will have plenty of grass and be rock hard. India are a decent side but its already been proved they are second best in these conditions (even to England for gods sake), just a month ago.
Don't big up the oppo without proof lol
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Now that SA are out of the tournament, what next for the end of the earth nation ? Steady flow of electric ?
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Is it me or has some of the cricket outside of Aus/NZ/associates teams been absolutely terrible. Eng, Pakistan, windies, sri Lanka/ SA have played some rubbish cricket at times so far. Poor shots, crap bowling, indifferent fielding, collapsing with the bat.
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Very funny, I didn't know as/nz pitches turned into Bunsen burners. I might of missed something from the last 30 years of watching cricket in aus!
Secondly, do you really think aus/nz will play India on a turning wicket. No chance, it will have plenty of grass and be rock hard. India are a decent side but its already been proved they are second best in these conditions (even to England for gods sake), just a month ago.
Don't big up the oppo without proof lol
Adelaide and the MCG have offered proper turn. If it stays hot, the groundsmen can't produce at raging green top even if he wants to. The live grass will merely get burnt to a crisp.
As for India being second rate in the Tri-Series, that was the starter eg not worth anything. India are the defending World Champions, they want to keep this trophy. Motivation is back.
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Adelaide and the MCG have offered proper turn. If it stays hot, the groundsmen can't produce at raging green top even if he wants to. The live grass will merely get burnt to a crisp.
As for India being second rate in the Tri-Series, that was the starter eg not worth anything. India are the defending World Champions, they want to keep this trophy. Motivation is back.
We do have water though - flood the square for a few days and I'm sure you can get a green top!
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Definitely looking the weaker group if India prove to be the best team. I fear for SA against Aus or NZ.
Really???? I hope it was sarcasm.
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Not sure how can England can remain unchanged after those first 2 horrible games!
Hales unlucky again not to be playing
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Sky mentioned that it's against the rules to release your team before the toss... ECB tweeted it before... Hopefully if that's true someone will carry the can.
Batting first... now, I want Eng to win but it would be amusing to see them 10-4 off 3 overs or something.. get the nerves going
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SA will get leathered by both AUS and NZ. Good to know that Gerry SA is also a curator.
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Sack the Ecb tweeter! Ecb are a joke.not a fan Of Strauss as a pundit.
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Really???? I hope it was sarcasm.
Lol some will never change their pov.
Indians are not even in India this time, just wait for flat pitch etc. kind of comments.
Indians did really well seeing the SA top 6 had marginally better stats than Indian top 6. I was surprised at the energy in field, getting AB out was the highlight for me. And even the mighty Amla couldn't hold the fort. Dale Steyn appeared like his fangs have been removed.
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Indian are dangerous with that batting line up plus the fielding and bowling was top class
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Also, a lot of today's team have played with and against each other in IPL many a times.
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India are a decent side but its already been proved they are second best in these conditions (even to England for gods sake), just a month ago.
I Remember the same thing was said about India before the ICC champions trophy and they ended up going unbeaten in that. It's all about tournament play
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England were idiots and prepare dry turning wickets, even for the final.
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As a Yorkshireman, I like to see Ballance in the team but at this point in time, I would like to see Hales given the nod at the top and Bell down to 3.
Taylor at 4, Root at 5, then Morgan, Buttler and Woakes.
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I think England will wallop Scotland here I really do (eat my words time)
I have faith this England side is talented time to show it
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Great pride from the Scottish all singing* the anthem unlike the English. Morgan and Ali silent as usual
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The Scots have won the singing of the anthems... Poor effort England!
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I think England will wallop Scotland here I really do (eat my words time)
I have faith this England side is talented time to show it
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£20 on Eng to win!! England are crap but seriously.. Scotland!! Not a contest really
Morgan won't sing God save the queen.. HE'S IRISH!! Ali probably thinks he's subcontinental?
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Great team unity from the Scottish all signing the anthem unlike the English. Morgan and Ali silent as usual
Sorry but singing a anthem time to set the record straight.
When all around doubt stick your head up and fight.
Let the ball and bat do the talking
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Bottle job this,
Win people will still whinge and say it expected,
Lose and Its all over
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Ali is using a CA
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Anyone for a cheeky tenner on scotland at 6-1?
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Bottle job this,
Win people will still whinge and say it expected,
Lose and Its all over
tbf, there is no credit to be won by beating scotland. It's expected and needs to be with authority (ie 330+ runs and scotland under 200).. Basically, nothing to gain, everything to lose.
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No changes just makes my blood boil!!!! Scotland are a poor county side at best so England will rack up a big score without being under any pressure. Therefore, the ecb will justifying their team selection for the last 3 games as their strongest team. It's a squad of 15, what are they telling the other 4 players? Your not good enough, we don't trust you ahead of these players who just got thumped! God, just how bad do players have to be to get dropped?
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50 up for 0 wicket. An England fans worse nightmare.
Moores will stick with this 11 till we are out.
Ecb will proclaim it a success and leave moores in charge for the ashes.
I'm applying for an afghan passport...... sure they'll be a lass after a green card somewhere to help in exchange!
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If these two bat for 25 overs will be interesting to see if England are confident enough to change the batting order and send in Morgan or buttler.
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If these two bat for 25 overs will be interesting to see if England are confident enough to change the batting order and send in Morgan or buttler.
why on earth would you send them in on 25 overs? That's the problem!! Those two aren't 'batsmen'.. they are hitters.. leave them for the finish in the last 10. let them do their role and smash it. Root/taylor should be good enough to get the team to 260 ish off 40 overs
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50 for Ali. Glad I picked him for the fantasy team after 2 dry matches on that front.
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Not sure if it's been mentioned before but Ali using an SS stickered kook?
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Ca I'm led to believe Tom but not sure was told he uses ca for white ball
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Ah only guessed ton due to sticker covering up rear of toe where it's ususally inked on in hefty bold letters
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I thought he was a Sports Direct regular?
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Whatever it is lets hope it keeps going good start by England this
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If these two keep batting. Do you think Ali will get to 100 before Bell gets to 50?
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Has anyone else clocked that Moen Ali is using a TON, has the same profile to the reserve edition and a giveaway really but a TON grip and SH sticker
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Bell needs to get his foot down 50 off of 120 isn't gonna cut it against stiffer oppo
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Has anyone else clocked that Moen Ali is using a TON, has the same profile to the reserve edition and a giveaway really but a TON grip and SH sticker
There you go i thought it was a ca i saw him use last year got a nice square toe mind i like that
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I'm sure every team has a bowler just like Haq, not sure why Bell is making him look decent
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These 2 having a net is getting boring. I may go to bed. Wonder if there'll retire at 3 figures?
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I'm happy with these two so far, keep batting and then at 30 overs start really upping it. should be around 180 at 30 overs.. double it for 50
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Same gloves, different styles.
Bell - sausage finger
Ali - split finger
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I would put Buttler in next tell him to smite it
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Bell has no urgency whatsoever!cant see someone like Ballance taking advantage of a decent start.
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Its safety first cricket from bell it just shows the mentality is way behind
Ali has the right idea
Teams really put bat to ball these days after 10 overs
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Would be nice for the top 5 at least to face 20-30 balls and get into some knick
Bell needs to up his SR
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Got to be honest this is pants
Enjoyed most games but this is boring i'm off to bed
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Eng should be looking t make a statement. 'let's get a record odi total' (no idea what that actually is!)
You get the idea...
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Think Buttler should've come in before Taylor :(
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Wow, 203-4
Tossing away a big score. I give up
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This is toss, we've no chance in this World Cup why am I putting myself through the pain of watching this (No Swearing Please)!
Wouldn't be surprised if scotland win this!
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Wow, 203-4
Tossing away a big score. I give up
could struggle to reach 320 now
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Ritual suicide is more appealing then watching England play ODI cricket at the moment!
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Ritual suicide is more appealing then watching England play ODI cricket at the moment!
lol And yet we still watch it!A steady 25# off 55 balls should hopefully push us up to 260..
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Lol some will never change their pov.
Indians are not even in India this time, just wait for flat pitch etc. kind of comments.
Indians did really well seeing the SA top 6 had marginally better stats than Indian top 6. I was surprised at the energy in field, getting AB out was the highlight for me. And even the mighty Amla couldn't hold the fort. Dale Steyn appeared like his fangs have been removed.
Exactly.... very clinical finish both games so far. if india wins its either the pitches are flat or grounds are smaller or BCCI is too powerful blah blah... whats next? lol
sickening at times...
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I think the Eng batting was still Pathetic.. at least 70 short
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Agreed, ENG could've had more runs on the board. This game was an excellent opportunity to get some form with the bat.
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I noticed the scoreline for eng v scot was similar to that of Ind v SA. The difference was that Eng would have got nowhere near it if they were playing SA....
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172-0 from 30 overs. Instead of being flexible with the batting line up and sending in Morgan and buttler, they decide to keep it the same. Moores continues to show he's got no idea what he's doing, that's what happens when you appoint a Bargain basement coach,
Ballance looks worse than bopara.
As for bell, no idea what he was doing. Looks like he was playing for his place in the side and went down the selfish way. Sr of 60 against Scotland is embarrassing
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Didn't Scotland have NZ 7 down chasing a low total? The team up there with the favourites?
I didn't watch either game so am unaware of the conditions etc but for any team to score 300 is a decent effort in my book.
Always happy to see England lose though :P
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Yes NZ 7 down but they were chasing the game to up their net run rate.
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I watched our whole innings, which was due to my new born daughter not sleeping rather than the cricket. Not sure how she stayed awake watching it!
Ballance has to be removed from 3 and Taylor moved back up, even if Ali gives us a good start Ballance will dry up the runs coming in at 3, Taylor looks positive at the crease and was literally pulling Morgan through for quick singles and making ones into 2's as well as hitting boundaries. Taylor kick started our innings and Morgan. Quite what Bell was doing is a mystery :(
I'd drop Broad as well for Jordan, purely as a punt, he can't bowl any worse but at least can field and bat better.
Typically we are lurching from one direction less disaster to another.
My team for the next match:
1.Ali
2. Bell (and tell him to man up)
3. Taylor
4. Root
5/6.Morgan/Bopara (depending on the match scenario)
7.Buttler
8. Woakes
9.Jordan
10.Finn
11.Anderson
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Watched the full show live, Ali did why I'd expect to happen a few times when top players come up against attacks with no real venom and Bell used that to creepy his way to 50ish without aver really playing a shot in anger, he didn't look on any better touch by the end though.
Finn was a level too much for the Scottish lads who just couldn't find a way to attack his pace and bounce and the rest got wickets from the pressure that combines with needing 7 an over created.
Overall it's pretty tough to say what's wrong with the england side as there were a good 5-6 players that either did nothing or didn't look like they were offering much more than some of the county fru he players and 2nd teamers that make up the Scotland side.
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Ballance has to be removed from 3 and Taylor moved back up, even if Ali gives us a good start Ballance will dry up the runs coming in at 3, Taylor looks positive at the crease and was literally pulling Morgan through for quick singles and making ones into 2's as well as hitting boundaries. Taylor kick started our innings and Morgan.
To be fair to Ballance he has been somewhat stitched up by his late parachuting.
That said, as a Yorkshire fan I've seen a fair amount of him and I struggle to see why things patently obvious to me are mysteries to supposed experts. For us, Ballance came in at five/six and was more or less our finisher - capable of hitting big and often, good at working the strike. I get that the move to three worked out well in Tests - though it was one hell of a punt and may come unstuck when better pace attacks than Sri Lanka and India are running in at him - but it makes NO sense whatsoever to have him at three and Taylor - a career long number three in the one day stuff - going in at the end. Does nobody any favours...
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Now might be an appropriate time to read the rules. We encourage debate but name calling and insults are not tolerated
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England won't play New Zealand because they don't make enough money ,if that's the standard of your game I think we would rather play Afghanistan. mlm
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Go UAE!!
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Go UAE indeed. Let's see how good the paddys really are.
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Oh dear. Did someone say test status?
(Disclaimer: I have nothing against the Irish per se).
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I'm just wondering what situation requires Kevin O'Brien to actually go up the order and bat? Isn't nearly 8 an over enough of an incentive? More England like inflexibility here.
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And what-on-earth was Porterfield doing?
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I totally under-estimated Kevin O'Brien and over-estimated the UEAs ability to bowl, field and catch. Whoops......
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Ireland done well to win that match. It was a potential banana skin for them and the odds were against them most of the way. Just need to Win one more game out of 4 to get a quarter final spot.
Is it just me or have the lesser teams produced much better games than the top teams? I think it would be ridiculous to reduce the wc to 10 teams
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That's been the best match so far!
Stop the associate nations playing in the World Cup? Get more of them in if they produce games like that!
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I enjoy associate cricket more than the top teams.. why.. because it's more related to the cricket 'we' as amateurs play. Amateur cricket is so far removed from normal Pro stuff it's unreal..
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Wasn't there a "right arm slow" bowler for the UAE today?
When I read that I pictured him as the 60 year old bloke who walks in off two paces and bowls 10mph wicket to wicket balls and is guaranteed to take at least a 4 fer every game ;) :D
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Wasn't there a "right arm slow" bowler for the UAE today?
When I read that I pictured him as the 60 year old bloke who walks in off two paces and bowls 10mph wicker to wicket balls and is guaranteed to take at least a 4 fer every game ;) :D
Scotland have Haq too.. Every club side has a guy who pies it up
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I think it would be ridiculous to reduce the wc to 10 teams
Agreed, thought the ICC were meant to be spreading the game globally not creating a private club.
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UAE team are actual part-time cricketers, all of them have jobs/careers. That is no excuse but explains the dismal defense of their decent score. Some of their batsmen did well!
Every now and then, I read about some "bright" idea from ICC a and reducing the WC to only top-8/10 or Test playing teams is one of them. Let "Associates" play in the big tourneys, ICC. Give them more opportunities to compete. Give their fans a chance to get engaged in the sport, albeit from their couches with a bowl of popcorn.
Ireland may make it to the QFs.
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I think the associates are closing the gap all the time. Biggest problem for the ICC is how best to accommodate them. I doubt after this world cup they can reduce numbers but at the sometime how do they get them more cricket outside the world cup?
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Could try and run regional events every so often such as how the Asia cup has been done, best way you can split the top 24 teams geographically (few dodgy ones in there) is like :
India
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh
Afghanistan
Nepal
Australia
New Zealand
Hong Kong
Papua New Guinea
USA
Bermuda
England
West Indies
Ireland
Scotland
Netherlands
Canada
South Africa
Zimbabwe
UAE
Kenya
Namibia
Uganda
Could probably fit in a quick ODI (or t20) tournament between 6 teams in 2 or 3 weeks.
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I think the associates are closing the gap all the time. Biggest problem for the ICC is how best to accommodate them. I doubt after this world cup they can reduce numbers but at the sometime how do they get them more cricket outside the world cup?
I was going to give the example of the Asia Cup but @Sam beat me to it. :) Afghanistan played in the last Asia Cup and they love their Cricket! Regional tourneys are a great idea. Also, intermediate or short tours where regional teams could play stronger teams before larger tourneys or tours as warm up tours. Pakistan playing Ireland or Scotland before touring England is an example . Mark Nicohls had a great idea about any teams playing Pakistan in UAE could have a few matches with UAE or other regional teams ( which would give the "Associates" great experience and help the tourist acclaimitize to the conditions ). There are different permutations. But "Associates" are making a great impression in this world cup and this could be a watershed moment in growth of international cricket.
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An associate XI to play against a weaker test nation would be quite cool - there a probably a few decent players in that!
Machan
Davey
Joyce
Murtagh
O'Briens
Wilson
Porterfield
Nabi
UAE captain
Couple of Dutch / Saffers
I bet anyone with a decent knowledge of the associates could put a decent side together.
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An associate XI to play against a weaker test nation would be quite cool - there a probably a few decent players in that!
Associates vs England you mean? ;)
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Who's everyone rooting for in tonight's game?
Bit of a tough one, one place is a god forsaken, under developed 3rd world country that's been ravaged by drug abuse, extremists and nutters wearing women's clothing who all hate the English and the other team's Afghanistan
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Who's everyone rooting for in tonight's game?
Bit of a tough one, one place is a god forsaken, under developed 3rd world country that's been ravaged by drug abuse, extremists and nutters wearing women's clothing who all hate the English and the other team's Afghanistan
Calm down! ???
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I am picking the underdog for me and it is AFG. :)
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SCO 55-3 in 14 overs.
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Scotland are rubbish
Only sport they're any good at is curling
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Scotland are rubbish
Only sport they're any good at is curling
They have one lad who goes alright at tennis too
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400th ODI for Sangakkara ...one of the greats of the game ..hope he makes a big one today
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AFG need 14 in 12 balls. C'mon AFG!
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AFG needs 5 runs in 6 deliveries! Woooo.
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AFG!!!! What a match!
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Great Win for Afghanistan! You can see there determination and fight, down 97 for 7 at one stage. Also played well against Sri Lanka.
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Good result for England if Bangladesh get thrashed here.
Again DRS causing more problems then solutions. Snicko not available for that review, happened in the nz series to.
The associates might have done well so far against the lesser sides but aus, India and SA haven't played them yet. Expect records to tumble. That's the biggest problem with having associates, who wants to see records set against rubbish teams. Makes them pointless.
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When do England play next?
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Good result for England if Bangladesh get thrashed here.
Again DRS causing more problems then solutions. Snicko not available for that review, happened in the nz series to.
The associates might have done well so far against the lesser sides but aus, India and SA haven't played them yet. Expect records to tumble. That's the biggest problem with having associates, who wants to see records set against rubbish teams. Makes them pointless.
records tend to be set vs weak teams though, that's the way it works generally.. I say generally as you do get records set vs good teams but it's rare. WI were pathetic and AB smashed it, skill from AB for sure but it was against a weak team.
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Crucial game tomorrow morning West Indies vs South Africa. Both sides have already lost once, a second defeat for the losers could make it tough to make the 1/4 finals.
The record breaking Chris Gayle is a doubt with yet another back injury. Meanwhile South Africa are set to recall Farhaan Berhardien(Parnell) and Kyle Abbott(Philander injured). Jean-Paul Duminy is also doubtful.
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Crucial game tomorrow morning West Indies vs South Africa. Both sides have already lost once, a second defeat for the losers could make it tough to make the 1/4 finals.
The record breaking Chris Gayle is a doubt with yet another back injury. Meanwhile South Africa are set to recall Farhaan Berhardien(Parnell) and Kyle Abbott(Philander injured). Jean-Paul Duminy is also doubtful.
SA could go down tbh. Their bowling looks pish, Steyn looks slow, vern out and the rest not really threatening.. however, WI are just so unpredictable that they could just as easy fold anyway!!! SA's batting has hardly been awesome, rely on Amla and AB way too much.
Still, could be the end for a team as Mr England says
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Sa was cruising but a double blow from the gaylestorm means they have to re build at 30overs.
With abv still in and Miller To come a decent score still available, just don't see why at 20 left they switched rossouw to 4! I'd have wanted abv and Miller in as early as.
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4.4. Rousseau.
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He's certainly proving me to be wrong so far, but he ain't no Miller.
Miller can score t20 tons for fun. You really want him to face more than just the last 4 overs if possible.
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My boys are looking solid at the moment but we need to get to 350+ I think.
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Watching major tournaments always makes me thankful for the Sky commentary team, I thought the Aussie Channel 9 bunch were bad but the global lot really are terrible. Even Mark Nicholas seems like a blessed relief!
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That's some one handed catch by Taylor.
West Indies could replace bravo with DJ bravo, pollard or narine. Hope the selectors finally have some common sense.
Holder must be sick at the sight of AB
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Poor Windies' death bowling tactics actually look alright... if they weren't bowling at De Villiers. Might as well give up. Try some part time lobs? Can't go any further than the genuine seamers are.
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De Villiers finishing off in style. BOOM!!!
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Goodluck chasing that down Gayle......
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My boys are looking solid at the moment but we need to get to 350+ I think.
Wish granted.
AB just wow.
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Just seen the scorecard. What an innings. Would be great if this could get to a close finish can only see that happening if gayle turns up
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Think Ireland and pakistan's chances of qualifying just went up. West Indies net run rate is going to take a massive hit with this loss
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I would have been happy at 350 but 408 is always good :)
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Wowzers great hitting that some dynamic players great viewing I have enjoyed this World Cup so far.
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How about to get more close matches, we get rid of windies England and Pakistan, and have more associate sides instead?
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Must say this has been a great world cup so far. Plenty of great individual performances and close matches
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Can South Africa open with De Villiers against one of the associate nations, chance if the first ODI triple if he fires!
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I think WI are AB's favourite team first he gets 149 off 44 and now 162 off 66
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WI getting slaughtered 61/5
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If they're out for 107 or fewer, utll be the biggest ever odi defeat.
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In all honesty I never expected this today. :D :D :D :D
Just hope we can keep it going till the end of the Final :-[
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AB has always been a good player and perhaps not got the recognition he deserved when SA has players like Smith, Kallis and Amla.
But when did he become this batting monster?! In all forms of the game he never seems to fail. He can play attacking innings such as his knock today but also very defensive innings as he did in the test series in Australia last year.
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They'll be lucky if they last another 5 overs
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This is a properly one sided match... Astonishingly bad from the Windies.
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I'm glad this isn't one of the associate teams.
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I'm glad this isn't one of the associate teams.
It might be as we only have the associate teams and Pakistan left to play ???
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SA sould bring Abbot or Steyn back on an just finish WI off
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I'm glad this isn't one of the associate teams.
Who says the Windies won't be an associate at this rate!
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SA sould bring Abbot or Steyn back on an just finish WI off
They tried to get steyn on to pick up a few cheap wickets to get his confidence up, didn't work
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What a knock and for me he is in my World Cup team and power player along with Amla scoring 50 as well so should get me some good points
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They tried to get steyn on to pick up a few cheap wickets to get his confidence up, didn't work
He does seem to be a little off at the moment. Hope he is saving his best for the knock out stages :)
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What a knock and for me he is in my World Cup team and power player along with Amla scoring 50 as well so should get me some good points
Got him in my team but had amla as power player
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Holder 50 now. Don't think Holder's read the script. He's still going for it
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What a knock and for me he is in my World Cup team and power player along with Amla scoring 50 as well so should get me some good points
AB in mine and Power Player. Bit annoyed at going for Morkel instead of Tahir, did ponder the Windies weakness against spin. Bonus on the Windies side as Russell/Gayle picked up wickets, but all my batters blobbed out.
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Did SA just do Ireland a massive favour in terms of run rate?
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AB - I think he should never play WI again.. It's unfair :)
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AB DeVilliers is the best player I have ever seen. I'm 32 and have seen a few champions, but no one in my opinion even comes close to him. Plus he seems a very humble and moral champion with a deep faith. Just ticks every box. What a legend.
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This is where I curse the Internet provider - repairs !!!! I missed the SAF inning and they went like gangbusters!
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AB DeVilliers is the best player I have ever seen. I'm 32 and have seen a few champions, but no one in my opinion even comes close to him. Plus he seems a very humble and moral champion with a deep faith. Just ticks every box. What a legend.
Are you saying that Lara, Ponting, Kallis, Tendulkar et al don't even come close to AB?
Or are you discounting them as you haven't seen them play?
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Can't wait to watch the highlights!
Jason Holder
1-9 after 5 overs
1-104 after 10 overs
ouch!
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AB de Villiers is a brilliant player,everyone has their opinion on who is the best depending on who they have seen.i've seen Viv and Lara so hard to top those two I don't care what era it is. Richards was the best I've ever seen hands down.
the big bats these days do make a difference, they are like trampolines compared to yesteryear :)
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You just can't compare AB to Sir Viv etc.. Sir viv played his cricket against better bowling and without the protection to tbh, he wins hands down. Ab couldn't do what he does without helmets. Still, it's nice to watch. Wouldn't want to see it too often though!!
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Comparing across eras is always difficult due to a number of factors differing, conditions, equipment, etc. What is clear, at least to me as a South African supporter, is that AB is one of the best going around currently across all formats. AB would also make all batting line-ups currently, again across all formats.
If he continues at this rate and consistency and stays fit, he could become one of the greatest of all time and not just one the current best! For South Africa's sake, I hope he continues firing in this WC and repair some of the heartache us supporters have always suffered in WC since readmission.
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Comparing across eras is always difficult due to a number of factors differing, conditions, equipment, etc. What is clear, at least to me as a South African supporter, is that AB is one of the best going around currently across all formats. AB would also make all batting line-ups currently, again across all formats.
If he continues at this rate and consistency and stays fit, he could become one of the greatest of all time and not just one the current best! For South Africa's sake, I hope he continues firing in this WC and repair some of the heartache us supporters have always suffered in WC since readmission.
AMEN :D
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This popped up on my tweeter feed. Looks to be only logical explanation.
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/27/4776b5a3804ed49d3603ac540a7257c2.jpg)
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Magic moments between the West Indies and South Africa today
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WI are a shambles, they miss run outs, drop catches and can't even bat their 50 overs. They were never going to chase 400 down so sould have just batted the 50 out
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Magic moments between the West Indies and South Africa today
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Well spotted... [emoji23]
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The thought of mental Chuck and AB in the same sentence makes me nauseous.
This popped up on my tweeter feed. Looks to be only logical explanation.
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You just can't compare AB to Sir Viv etc.. Sir viv played his cricket against better bowling and without the protection to tbh, he wins hands down. Ab couldn't do what he does without helmets. Still, it's nice to watch. Wouldn't want to see it too often though!!
Plus the wickets were more bowler friendly
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Woke up this morning and flicked over to the cricket before heading to work, was in disbelief that AB was at it again(not surprised mind you as he's a darn fine player).
Good to see Tahir great a bag of wickets as well.
Now for my gripe, ODIs are too batsmen friendly these days. Roll back just 5/8 years and scoring 150+ in ODI was rare. These days it's as common as you like. It's unfair on the bowlers - small boundaries/huge bats etc
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Are you saying that Lara, Ponting, Kallis, Tendulkar et al don't even come close to AB?
Or are you discounting them as you haven't seen them play?
Absolutely I've seen them all. Living in Australia, Ponting was always the one I thought was ahead of the others regarding pure batting, but AB DeVillers doesn't only score all round the wicket, he seems to do it with such ease. Add to this I saw him make a 200 ball 30 odd to save a test at the WACA a few years back.
The others you listed were great players, but none have revolutionized batting like AB DeVilliers. He's changing the way people bat.
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Absolutely I've seen them all. Living in Australia, Ponting was always the one I thought was ahead of the others regarding pure batting, but AB DeVillers doesn't only score all round the wicket, he seems to do it with such ease. Add to this I saw him make a 200 ball 30 odd to save a test at the WACA a few years back.
The others you listed were great players, but none have revolutionized batting like AB DeVilliers. He's changing the way people bat.
This argument is flawed.
The likes of Lara, Ponting and Tendulkar only dabbled with the influence of T20 towards the end of their careers, whereas AB has had it as he was approaching his peak.
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Regardless of the format - limited overs cricket was around for the others. Only one batsman out of the ones listed has invented new shots and can play them seemingly at will.
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Anyone else watching the highlights now?
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Watching the replay of aust vs eng being televised whilst waiting for today's blockbuster. Damn taylor was robbed. Aussies and poms wont often feel sorry for eachother, but that little guy deserved 100 ajd the incompetent umpires took it off him.
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Aussie 6 down for less than a hundred so far.
Were 81 for 1...... big collapse!
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Well I've got to apologise to my pommy friends. Australia looking very average..........but we will still win the world cup
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This is worth staying up for. Great to see the Aussies getting rolled over for once....
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Australia 124-9... Oh dear
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Some very poor batting. Warner got a good one, the rest, god knows what they were doing...
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Get ready for abroken =★£@#÷% arm...
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Why doesn't he wear an arm guard?
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Get ready for abroken =★£@#÷% arm...
Still taking MJ to the cleaners ;)
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Why doesn't he wear an arm guard?
Just has the sweatbad. Time for sttreton fox.
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Aus vs New Zealand looked like a really good game. Boult ripped through them.
It's a shame uae won the toss in the second game
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15 to win and they go off for a break! Common sense doesn't apply
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Absolutely ridiculous game of cricket today. Never seen anything like it. Watching the replay, knowing whats going to happen, though still not believing it! And to finish with the 6. Just.....wow.
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Absolutely ridiculous game of cricket today. Never seen anything like it. Watching the replay, knowing whats going to happen, though still not believing it! And to finish with the 6. Just.....wow.
Waiting to watch it at 3pm. I've avoided watching the highlights during the india game!!
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Waiting to watch it at 3pm. I've avoided watching the highlights during the india game!!
same here, tried so hard to avoid seeing the result and score, but flicked onto 403 quickly and they had the match summary up, gutted. still not seen any of the action yet though
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Couldn't sleep last night so got up and watched New Zealand from just after Guptil got out. I thought it might be a close one, especially when they lost 3 quick wickets. But when they got to about 20 to win with 6 wickets in hand I decided it was all but over and headed back off to bed. Gutted I missed what followed live! What a finish and fantastic from Williamson for just going for it under that pressure.
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Mitchell Starc undoubtedly the best ODI bowler around.
Staggeringly great ODI record:
35 matches
69 wickets
19.89 average
5 x 5WH(including 2 x 6WH)
4 x 4WH
Waqar has the most ODI 5WHs(13), Starc could be the man to challenge that.
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Starc. Born in Australia. Perfected in Yorkshire.
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Starc. Born in Australia. Perfected in Yorkshire.
By Dizzy :D
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By Dizzy :D
Dam right. In my opinion the best in the world. And as a yorkshire man would hate to see him leave, but i can't see it being long until an international side comes a knocking
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Dam right. In my opinion the best in the world. And as a yorkshire man would hate to see him leave, but i can't see it being long until an international side comes a knocking
Can see the Dizzster replacing Boof in a couple of years time TBH(after Clarke retires).
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Dam right. In my opinion the best in the world. And as a yorkshire man would hate to see him leave, but i can't see it being long until an international side comes a knocking
And with Colin Graves now at the ECB, England potentially.
Yorkshire players that have done well at the World Cup
Starc, Miller, Williamson, Finch off the top of my head.
Even Dhawan had a spell at club level in Yorkshire.
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And this time next year. Maxwell will be a world beater.
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Ballance gets another game. Not sure why
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He can replace Moores tmro for me, but then again I would hate him to leave Yorkshire
To be honest, I cant see him leaving Yorkshire for anyone other than Australia or England, because lets be honest, they are probably the only 2 bigger jobs out there :)
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FFS How the hell are we unchanged! !
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Unchanged Arrrggghhhh.
Hope we don't win another game. Come on sri bang and afgh. Let's get moores out.
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Ballance gets another game. Not sure why
He's been out of the game for a while injured, he's come back and played against arguably the best 2 attacks in the comp, and dragged one on against Scotland, he's been rather unlucky if you ask me, he obviously has some ability, more than any other option we have over there to choose from. So thats probably why
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I think Moores has another year to prove himself, Lehmann (another Yorkie, we certainly get about) probably at least 2 so I think Dizzy will be at Yorks for 2015 and maybe 2016.
Id hate to lose him but he deserves the biggest stage and you are right, They are the only two coaching jobs bigger than Yorkshire in the whole world.
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Unchanged? Guess you can't change a winning team.
I hope Ballance proves the doubters wrong, I really do.
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I have no issue with ballance in general. But coming back from injury and trying to get your eye in against aus and nz ain't gonna work.
chances are he'll get another wc. So no harm in england saying. "Look we gambled but your lack of match practice is showing in a wc, gonna have to stand you down for this wc but you'll be back in the next series and will get a run."
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Same team, what a joke!! Hales who has shown can take any team apart on his day still not given a go after the pathetic performances so far. There must be a problem, same as with Finn and the 'un-selectable' rubbish. It's just bad management and messing fringe players about. Balance still in, good grief why? The fact he's been injured and only just coming back onto nick says even more why he shouldn't be playing. It's not like he's a proven world class player, like Michael Clarke who the Aussies have made room for. We don't deserve to qualify through to the quarter finals and we'll be going home very soon after even if we do with these pig headed tactics.
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What does Jordan need to do to get a game? and what does Broad need to do to get dropped?
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Lakmal having a mare like Mitch Johnson...
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Come on Sherminator!bell does like a leave though.
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Having tried to grind his way back into form vs us Bell seems to have decided going hard from Ball one is the approach for today. The control % is probably about 5% for his first 25 but he's looking much better now.
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Ballance ballance ballance.
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do feel sorry for ballance not really involved in the warm up games and then expected to perform straight away. i thnk hales would ave a similar problem coming in to the team now as well.
dont understand the reason to move taylor to 6 when he has been scoring runs at 3.
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Pretty embarrassing from England getting strangled by T.M. Dilshan's part time off breaks
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Pretty embarrassing from England getting strangled by T.M. Dilshan's part time off breaks
I think they're paralysed by the fear of getting out to him. I want them to give it a tonk and get him off.
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I reckon I could strangle england with my off spin here.
Ali Gone 1st so
bell goes back in his shell
ballance couldnt get it off square
root happy at 50sr.
snooze fest. Need an attacking 3 or Ali and hales to break the slow sr off those 3.
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Part of me hopes they don't bring hales in. Hold on, bare (bear?) with me.
He's not been playing, not involved and will potentially struggle to get going with alot of pressure on him to perform straight away. If/when he goes cheaply eng will just say 'look he can't do it' and screw him over a little bit more.
England have reaped what they sowed by not bringing hales through when he was t20 world no 1 batsman. Should have taken him In then and said you have till the WC to learn 50 overs cricket.
He could of been our, x factor (wash mouth out) by now.
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Also, what's with various commentators (cough Nick Knight, cough) saying ravi bopara should come back in?
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typical Bell gets out to a nothing delivery.
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Good start, Wicket, slow down, wicket, slow to a crawl, wicket.
Isn't this where the collapse usually starts?
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An Aussie or Saffer approach to this would be to counterattack and take an aggressive stance - which I love seeing, but we always seem to want to rebuild and play out far too many dots
On a lighter note, Herath always reminds me of Martin Lawrence for some reason :)
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If we attack, we get out.
If we play solidly, we score slowly then get out.
I just want England to lose every game, then hopefully have a proper think about how to play ODI cricket. I saw a brilliant tweet "England unchanged going into today's game. Since 1992".
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Seen earlier that England have only won 5 games against the top 8 teams in the world cup since the final in 1992
That sums up Alot about the English one day team. Even Ireland could do better than that. They have beaten 3 top 8 teams since 2007!!
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I think this was moores team talk.
"Right lads we aren't attacking enough....apparently. so to please the media I want us to go hard it it for the first ten. But DO NOT GET OUT.
Then revert back to our normal plan. Save wickets for the last ten. No matter how well you think your playing just block and save your wicket for the last ten. DO NOT GET OUT.
Then in the last ten we can go for it. And maybe try reach 225 for 9.
Sound good??"
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We've struggled since they changed the pace of their bowlers. If nothing else surely this shows that having our one dimensional attack is wrong. Treadwell and Bopara would add variety and allow us to attack/defend in different ways. Lets hope we can kick on, but I fear that 280 would get knocked off with overs to spare.
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We are leaving it very late to give it some humpty.puts pressure on the lower order to make up the run rate
Ive said before we are still far behind.other teams play fearless cricket
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England player makes a ton at the wc shocker!!
Well batted joe. Now tea off.
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Taylor proving he should be batting 3 again.
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25 off the over, well bowled. Serves him right bowling around the wicket without a third man.
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Root did tea off.
257 with 5 left. We could make 300 plus. England! 300 plus!
What do we know eh.
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Maybe not....forum post curse. Taylor gone.
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Taylor out, don't hold your breath...
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I got excited!! Lol.
Not great this. Taking one to the head obviously. But also that it's stopped the game. Root looks like he's sized up on the floor.
Could halt his momentum
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Lakmal shown the red card for beaming buttler
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300 up thanks to a truly awful over from lakmal.
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Sri Lanka last remaining bowler now on!
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309-6, even we might be able to defend this. Good stuff from buttler.
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Well it went wrong for sri there.
And despite our reservations. England still make 309.
Is that a good score or will sri lanka sail past with ease? Can't help thinking with a bit off inputus in middle we should have got 350-360 easily.
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Not a bad effort eng,.... So far
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Pakistan 33/2 after 15 overs vs Zimbabwe
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Oh England, poor old pitiful England. Sack the bowlers, sack the coach, sack the keeper for that shocking leave in front of Root. Terrible terrible team.
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What a performance by the Sri Lankan veterans and Lahiru.
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I'd drop Balance, Broad, Anderson and Morgan for the remaining 2 games. You should be in the side on merit and on current form none of them should be in. But of course this won't happen. "We're sticking with the same 11", Morgan will say after the toss in the next game. "We think it's our strongest team!" Just who picked this squad if they think 4 of them aren't good enough to play ahead of the shambles we've seen so far? Moores has got to go!!
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Credit to SL they have some high class players but we are miles behind in the obe day game. I dont expect us to win but i do expect us to at least compeat-we were absolutley thrashed
What i cannot wotk out is ballance is well out of form-any clubbie can see that-why not try hales at 3 for todays game?
And our bowling is cannon fodder
At least with treadwell there is someone different-he is a thinking cricketer and underrated..
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Sangakarra is in some form at the moment.
All the talk before the World Cup was Anderson will make it swing but he hasn't moved it off the straight.
Not sure what Morgan was doing batting at a strike rate of 57. Not going to get a big score with a SR like that.
A few teams seem to be playing with 9 or 10 players this World Cup: South Africa with bahardein, West Indies with Carter and England with broad, ballance and Anderson.
It's time Anderson retires from odi cricket, he's shown his disinterest in odi cricket in the past.
Sean Williams looks like a decent player, he's impressed this World Cup. Akmal drops him ;)...anyone seen worse keeping gloves than what Akmal's bright pink ones
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I like akmals gloves.
Remember england look after the good old boys, wouldn't be suprised if Anderson said yo the management "I'd like one more world cup" I'd they said sish granted!
Broad, he's a Mong, he's a tad up himself, he'll not believe he's out if firm, insist he plays and insist he opens.
He probably threw a hissy fit regarding woakes and the new ball, and it's why he's back opening.
Jordan and tredwell in for broad and Anderson, hales for ballance.
I doubt it'll help us much, but atleast Itll move us away from the "stuck in 1991" mentality we currently have
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Could Alex Hales come into the team at 6? England have a problem at number 3, since Sep 2013 our number 3 has averaged 22.93! The next worse of the top 8 teams is Pakistan with 36.22. We have the solution as James Taylor averages 45 in his games at number 3 so why was he moved? Taylor should be moved back to 3 where he is most effective and was doing a great job so the new batsman will have to come in at 6. Hales at 6 or Hales opening and Ali down to 6 or Bopara back in at 6?
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dreadful umpiring during Zim's innings. Irfan bowled 5/6 front foot no balls yet they where never called...
what's the point off the tv replay umpire if he can't see these match defining errors?
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Add to the that all the wides not given.
Zim should have won that, some stupid shots played when they weren't chasing much.
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It' all good and well saying drop Anderson/Broad etc, but is someone Jordan gonna offer much more? Jordan gets slapped around at 7/8 RPO....
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It' all good and well saying drop Anderson/Broad etc, but is someone Jordan gonna offer much more? Jordan gets slapped around at 7/8 RPO....
I know what you mean but sometimes a change is a good refresh, even if the player who is coming in isn't any better.
Jordan might pitch it up a bit more and could hit a few blows with the bat.
Just sometimes a bit of difference might just a be refreshing.
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My feeling is that for some of the English players, the only yard stick to do well is in Ashes. Giving so much importance to one bilateral series is baffling in my honest opinion.
They just don't look to have the same intensity in any other series/ tournaments.
Case in point Anderson he looks not enough motivated for the kind of bowler he is.
Only bright spots in this team are Root and Ali who seem to give full their potential.
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Finally a win for PAK. Misbah again saves the batting with a bowler, Wahab Riaz, chipping in with a 50 to put a defendable score on the board.
Why don't Misbah and Harris open the batting for PAK? In the last 3 #CWC15 matches, they have played as openers after openers got out cheaply.
Time to bench Shehzad and Jamshed. Bring Sarfaraz in the team.
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What a knock by Root! Love watching him bat.
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Finally a win for PAK. Misbah again saves the batting with a bowler, Wahab Riaz, chipping in with a 50 to put a defendable score on the board.
Why don't Misbah and Harris open the batting for PAK? In the last 3 #CWC15 matches, they have played as openers after openers got out cheaply.
Time to bench Shehzad and Jamshed. Bring Sarfaraz in the team.
Only people saving Pakistan where the inept umpires. Up to 8 front foot no balls not called(and they where huge no balls) and countless wides.
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Could Alex Hales come into the team at 6? England have a problem at number 3, since Sep 2013 our number 3 has averaged 22.93! The next worse of the top 8 teams is Pakistan with 36.22. We have the solution as James Taylor averages 45 in his games at number 3 so why was he moved? Taylor should be moved back to 3 where he is most effective and was doing a great job so the new batsman will have to come in at 6. Hales at 6 or Hales opening and Ali down to 6 or Bopara back in at 6?
It doesn't take a genius, Taylor to 3, Balance (if he must play) to 5 where he bats for Yorkshire and Morgan down to 6 as a finisher. Why can't the ECB see this?
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Kp on the verdict shortly
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It doesn't take a genius, Taylor to 3, Balance (if he must play) to 5 where he bats for Yorkshire and Morgan down to 6 as a finisher. Why can't the ECB see this?
Morgan shouldn't even be in the team let alone the captain in my opinion.
He Irish and should be playing for Ireland. Glad Ed Joyce saw sense and went back.
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Batting line up is clearly botched up. Just by looking at the eleven it is easy to figure out that England would want Butler and Morgen to bat the last 10 overs. Just because Morgan is captaining the side doesn't make him a different batsman. He has never been an anchor but a very good finisher and he must do what he knows best as a batsman. From whatever I have seen of Taylor he seems to be a good player of spin and is pretty well suited for the middle overs. Bell is probably the best batsman technically and he should look to play out the fifty overs, his position is ideally suited to one down as he has the range of strokes to be able to rotate the strike in middle overs and hit odd boundaries just via placement and not by playing expensive shots.
The batting lineup must be flexible according to the roles in the team and the stage of the game and it should be changed accordingly.
Bowling wise I feel England has a set template in mind which is hurting them. Despite the matches being in Australia and Newzealand number of spinners are doing well in the middle overs and they should consider playing Tredwell. He is a good one day bowler and vary his flight and pace well. Considering five fielders in the circle it is much easier to control the mid innings with two decent spinners on a decent batting pitch.
Broad does looks not 100 percent , bowling well below his usual speed. He must be rested.
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Only people saving Pakistan where the inept umpires. Up to 8 front foot no balls not called(and they where huge no balls) and countless wides.
What about the ZIM opener's caught-behind that was turned down by the umpire, the Snicko showed that the ball grazed his glove and shirt. Misbah didn't review as it was too early in the match.
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What about the ZIM opener's caught-behind that was turned down by the umpire, the Snicko showed that the ball grazed his glove and shirt. Misbah didn't review as it was too early in the match.
umpires missing catch behind, which Misbah didn't review, isn't the same as letting bowlers get away with 8 no balls - when the tv umpire is watching in an air conditioned box...
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4th. umpire, then? :D
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4th. umpire, then? :D
TBH how much logic is needed for the 3rd/4th umpire to keep a check for NBs? I mean they check at the fall of every wicket...
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It happens. Umpire also called a wide (ball had grazed the thigh pad) in PAK-WI match where Afridi hand gestured a review of the Umpire's call. It happens.
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Just watching the England highlights. I really think because the others are so slow, Buttler needs to be in earlier, 5 or 6 at the lowest. Him hitting 30 off 15 or similar doesn't do enough, we need to give him time to get 70 off 40, even though it won't happen every time. As it is we're just limping over 300, when we have an amazing finish.
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I think its bye bye ballance and hello hales. We need to have aggressive batsman and guys capable of scoring at run a ball+ . from the highlights I saw we bowled a pile of short filth. Broad, despite the drop has bowled badly and woakes isn't adding much value at the moment. Maybe time to wake up Jordan and Treadwell. We need to take wickets and make the oppo work for their runs.
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I think its bye bye ballance and hello hales. We need to have aggressive batsman and guys capable of scoring at run a ball+ . from the highlights I saw we bowled a pile of short filth. Broad, despite the drop has bowled badly and woakes isn't adding much value at the moment. Maybe time to wake up Jordan and Treadwell. We need to take wickets and make the oppo work for their runs.
The way the management think with Hales is that Ali/Bell are opening so dropping Ballance will bring Bopara back in as it is the middle order.
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Why the hell aren't Hales and Lumb opening? A pair to be feared. So what if he's old.
Its like you are rebuilding during a WC.
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Why the hell aren't Hales and Lumb opening? A pair to be feared. So what if he's old.
Its like you are rebuilding during a WC.
So old.. No oldplayer scores runs
Oh wait
Dilshan,,sanga, mahela.. Ecb fail again
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Looking forward to the ireland and saffers match tonight
Even though we will probably get hammered it will be great to see the players up against the world's best. Hopefully we can give a good account of ourselves and not give in tamely like eng, pak and wi do
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Looking forward to the ireland and saffers match tonight
Even though we will probably get hammered it will be great to see the players up against the world's best. Hopefully we can give a good account of ourselves and not give in tamely like eng, pak and wi do
Put my wc winnings all on SA to win. Started with £20, now on £110. Dam hope SA win vs Ireland now!
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Put my wc winnings all on SA to win. Started with £20, now on £110. Dam hope SA win vs Ireland now!
Think your safe enough. Zimbabwe and Pakistan are the only 2 teams Ireland have a chance to turn over
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Why the hell aren't Hales and Lumb opening? A pair to be feared. So what if he's old.
Its like you are rebuilding during a WC.
Because English cricket is run by idiots, the whole management are a disgrace and should be axed. There are many examples of their incompetence from the handling of Hales, to the selection of Ballance, to the half track bowling strategy, to moving Taylor from 3, to wasting 2 years prep by persisting with Cook, to ignoring T20 players, to KP, to not being able to recognise the bloody obvious etc etc etc
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Can,t workout why Woakes is in the side....
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Think your safe enough. Zimbabwe and Pakistan are the only 2 teams Ireland have a chance to turn over
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Awake to a fabulous 100 for has him amla. Fastest player to 20 centuries in odis.
Far not far off his ton either. Both setting this up for ab in the last ten. 450 on?
Poor de cock failed again though. Struggling like Mr ballance. Shows with batting. There's no substitute to match practice.
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Awake to a fabulous 100 for has him amla. Fastest player to 20 centuries in odis.
Far not far off his ton either. Both setting this up for ab in the last ten. 450 on?
Poor de cock failed again though. Struggling like Mr ballance. Shows with batting. There's no substitute to match practice.
SA should have tried another opener instead of De Kock. He is an exiting player but really out of form and that can be a big issue in key games.
Too easy for Amla and Faf right now. Waiting for some fireworks from ABD.
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Picked Amla as my power player in the fantasy cricket for today's game. Thought he would bat through and end up with a big score just need Steyn and Abbott to blast out. Ireland and get me some bowling pints now :D
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I think my bet on a SA win is safe :)
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I see the umpiring standards this world cup continue to be poor.
Ireland better off just playing for the net run rate and do a bit of damage limitation
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I see the umpiring standards this world cup continue to be poor.
Ireland better off just playing for the net run rate and do a bit of damage limitation
Agree, could just go out and look at it as a chance to put up a decent personal score and see where you are at 35 overs.
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Hopefully ireland can get to 280 to take the dirty look off it
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seems like they ended up with an ok score after losing early wickets.
would love to see them qualify
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Hope the nrr doesn't come back to bite them.
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Think South Africa have done pakistan a massive favour with net rr's
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Hashim Amla #CanBat !!! Hash got to his 20th ODI hundred 25 innings faster than Virat Kohli, that's a pretty decent feat!!!
There where murmurings that Faf should be benched, but he's put them to bed now.
Proteas have a problem with QdK, AB won't keep and Rilee deserves to retain his place when JP is fit again. Thought van Wyk should've gone ahead of de Kock to the world cup.
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That partnership between Rossouw and Miller was brutal!
Plenty of cow corner action too, a bit like watching a couple of fatties batting on a village green! :D
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Sky sky sky.
Oh why.
Don't you have the red button on sky....
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Go.
Another crap poetry. I wanna watch aus vs afg while I eat my breakfast not pakistan beat the uae.
It's warner and finch smashing time.
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Finch gone!
Merely going on the cricinfo commentary. But seems afgans getting the ball to swing. And finch got itchy after 5 dot balls and unfortunately flailed at one to slip.
Doh.
Smith in at 3.
Aus being bold faulkner for watson in today's game. Yet faulkner down at 8.
Lots of finishes. But have the got the batting to get them a set up? You'd hope so.
Amusingly the dropped Hailey still ranked not in odis?? He's got to be gutted on being dropped?
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You get online and stream the match.
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You get online and stream the match.
Link?? Preferably to one that doesn't give you 400 pop ups. 12 hrs of adds to get through or require you to download a plug in??
Cos that's all I ever come across.
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The aus batting line up really does look weak today.
Smith is no number 3, Clarke coming back from injury, and then the sloggers (allrounders).
Missing a front line batsman, someone like a Shaun Marsh who did well in the tri series.
Looks like warner's teeing off though
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Warner to 50 in side 10 overs.
He should accelerate late on in his innings to..... If he can stay patient. Gales record may be in danger.
The aus top 4 and then finishers. Could struggle against a decent attack if they nip 3 out early on. But if a platform is set up for the. I.e 200 plus and them 4 have 15 overs to bat. Could be absolutely devastating.
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Warner looking good.
Part-timers bowling for PAK.
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Love AUS running between the wickets - so quick.
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Link?? Preferably to one that doesn't give you 400 pop ups. 12 hrs of adds to get through or require you to download a plug in?
Cos that's all I ever come across.
crictime.nl once you close the first few pop-ups put the it in full screen mode that normally stops the ads an pop-ups.
P.s if you can find a streaming site with out pop-ups or ads I will give you all of my kit.
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2 wickets for Afridi.
It would be nice to see a cascade of AUS wickets falling, bring some excitement to the tourney. :D
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BBC sport has Stuart broad saying the face injury has really affected him more than he thought. Although his batting has been useless for years.
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AUS on for a massive score
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AUS on for a massive score
got to be another 400+
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Warner just called for a new bat at the 36 over mark. I wonder how many innings that bat has seen? Brand new this game?
I notice his replacement bat is at least 40-50% heartwood.
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Got Warner in my team as my power player. Hope he makes 300!
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Warner throws away a easy chance for 200.
Quick fire 100 here for the big show should top off the minnow bashing.
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Fascinating that Maxwell is equally happy to reverse sweep off of off stump or clip over square leg.
Now I'm watching Michael Clarke on a toothpaste advertisement between overs.... ;)
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Now I'm watching Michael Clarke on a toothpaste advertisement between overs.... ;)
The things we miss out on living in the UK... ;)
Loving seeing so many teams play without the fear and conservatism that is embedded in the English game...
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Just the fact that no one has even replied to this thread with a team scoring over 400 shows how boring ODI's have become. There is just no point what so ever even being a bowler in ODI's anymore. You might as well just put a bowling machine at one end.
Its going to get to the point where the team batting first only has 40 overs and the team batting 2nd has 50 overs.
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Warner threw away a chance for an easy double having done all the hard work, and Big Show did his usual jug avoidance routine!
Only question now is how big will the margin of victory be
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Still no odi ton for maxwell.
There'll start flowing after he becomes a yorkie.
This is what england should have done to Scotland. The fact we scraped 300 dhows how poor we are at the attacking stuff.
And I'd have replied if I wasn't working kieron. Lol
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Got Warner in my team as my power player. Hope he makes 300!
Me too and Maxwell :D
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/66723228/black-caps-crunching-data-like-gcsb-for-world-cup-effort (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/66723228/black-caps-crunching-data-like-gcsb-for-world-cup-effort)
Quick read about how NZ prepare for games (and WC in general).
Laptop study done right?
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/841885.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/841885.html)
ive read quite a few different suggestions for how to revamp the world cup.
quite like the idea from martin crowe.
there was a better version i read the other week but cant remember who from
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Sounds a bit lengthy and involved to me.
The problem is that people don't want to watch Kenya vs Netherlands etc. Everyone wants to see small teams do well against big teams, but with the 9 and 9 format people will lose interest very quickly with so many games.
I'd be in favour of a football world cup style.
4 groups of 4. Top 2 go through, and you will probably end up with the best 8 teams going through.
But each match is higher quality, less games such as Bangladesh vs Scotland, but you still give the opportunity to the associate nations to play.
This will hopefully improve them, and eventually you have people like Zim and Bangladesh being knocked out by Ireland/Afghanistan.
Keep it to 50 overs, but penalise during games for slow over rates, cut out drinks breaks etc. to speed it up.
Something needs to be done to the middle overs too, as these tend to slow down a fair bit. Perhaps a substitute batter? e.g. england are pootling along with Bell and Root in the 20-30 over area. Sub in Buttler for 5 overs (like a powerplay) for one of those, and then he subs back out if still in.
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i think the format i read whch i really like had 3 groups of 6. the top 2 teams automatically qualify for the quarters with the best 3rd place team and then there was a playoff between the 2nd and 3rd best 3rd place teams for the last quarter final spot.
it also suggested that the 8 teams that make it to the quarters automatically qualify for the next world cup regardless of ODI ranking which means they games have to riding on them so makes the later stage groups games still important to do well in
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Just the fact that no one has even replied to this thread with a team scoring over 400 shows how boring ODI's have become. There is just no point what so ever even being a bowler in ODI's anymore. You might as well just put a bowling machine at one end.
To be fair, you have a very particular set of circumstances with some big disparities in strength whilst games are played on smaller than usual grounds in high season peak batting conditions. The game is definitely changing, but not by as much as South Africa vs Ireland and Australia vs Afghanistan might at first suggest.
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I've read quite a few people say how unfair the game is for bowlers etc. etc.
But really Australia vs Afghanistan can't be used as a fair measure can it??
If there is a game that should see someone score 400+ it's that.
If the likes of Aus, SA and India were scoring 400 against each other there would be a case for questions.
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I think 4 groups of 4 is a good format. The largest competition has to provide the opportunity for more countries to play the game. It's no coincidence that players, ex players, etc. are asking for more teams to spread the game globally.
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Associates need to play the world cup as there is a lot of funding and motivation that comes with that from ICC as well as national government grants are tied to playing in the elite comp for the teams which in turn helps them develop and play more competitive teams because they can afford to travel or host, I know what the price is to host teams like India, WI, Pak etc and that doesn't come cheap I would have thought if they were that interested in growing cricket there would have been a lot more goodwill tours of smaller nations with A team or development squads. Having said that its not the world cup match time that will make these teams better but more time playing against better teams in non WC years, you want to see a real improvement give these teams a packed calendar of all forms of cricket against bigger nations (even A teams) for four years and then see how they do in WC. Performance of associates has been good and it highlights they need more competitive cricket to get better.
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[url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/66723228/black-caps-crunching-data-like-gcsb-for-world-cup-effort[/url] ([url]http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/66723228/black-caps-crunching-data-like-gcsb-for-world-cup-effort[/url])
Quick read about how NZ prepare for games (and WC in general).
Laptop study done right?
Nothing earth shattering about it. I imagine most of the teams do similar. Though Moores has been know to pick players based on their averages, I think Pattinson was the poor guy who got picked out of a spreadsheet.
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4 groups of 4 will never happen, was abandoned before after India went out in the group stages.
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SCO has a good chance against BAN.
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Decent effort from Scotland scoring 318. Bang dodged a bullet with that chase.
Looks like England vs Bang will be a knockout game.
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I don't fancy England will beat Bangladesh. Can see us getting mired down by spinners in the middle.
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4 groups of 4 will never happen, was abandoned before after India went out in the group stages.
Yeah, I was thinking it's a good idea more in hope than expectation. Now the 'big three' have control over who tours where and lining each other's pockets the Associates will be increasingly marginalised. Someone mentioned the flawed rankings system - why would the top teams play the 'minnows' when they have everything to lose? They don't get the TV money, which now controls the game, if they win well, it''s no surprise but if they scrape a win or lose they get hammered in the press.
Most players, ex players and fans have an idealogical view on the game being played by more countries and increasing competition. Sadly those at the top see money and the strong getting stronger as the way forward. With that attitude back in the 19th and early 20th Centuries only England, Australia and South Africa would be playing international cricket...
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Bingo, theres a reason why India have never played Bangladesh in a home test series. Incredible.
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I don't fancy England will beat Bangladesh. Can see us getting mired down by spinners in the middle.
If ENG bowlers bowl tight lines than they can control BAN scoring. Team BAN does not have good bowling. I say ENG has a chance here.
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Some of the worst batting I've seen this world cup by smith there. Shocking that he's still in the side
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Surely Dwayne Bravo would have been a better option at opening :D I know he is not known for opening the batting but im sure he would have been a better bet and he can bowl. think this might be a low scoring game ???
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If Gayle sticks around, then WIN have a chance at a big score.
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Poster's curse, another out. :D
I may be on to something here but I will only use my powers for good. :D
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Gayle is a embarrassment. Slogging wildly and feet stuck in concrete. All good and well slogging Zim around but acting like a b!tch against a better team shows he has no fight
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WIN lost first two wickets becuase of Gayle - no strike rotation and of course poor shot and poor running.
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If Michael Holding were commentating, he'd have torn Gayle a new one . Who stands and watches a ball carry to a catcher without running. Sheesh. Michael Holding, where art thou?
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Good bowling by Shami and Yadav. They are cramping up Gayle.
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Gayle is out. Shami cramped up Gayle.
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What do we think 100 all out?
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Gayle, dropped twice and caused Samuels to lose his wicket, cops out and is gone for 21. Pathetic innings
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Good bowling! Ramdin back to pavilion.
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Gayle goes after another shocking innings.
West Indies players and selectors doing there best to make sure they get knocked out of this World Cup as early as possible.
Looks like this is a walkover
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West Indies cricket is falling apart, it's a real shame
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Is that the same WI team who have beaten two full member nations this world cup, to England's zero?
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They'd beat us too at the moment. However woeful they are, they still have a few batsmen capable of 'playing without fear'.
The only way to salvage a bit of English pride here is to go out and absolutely bury Bangladesh with a score well in excess of 300 and bowling them out 80 runs short.
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Is that the same WI team who have beaten two full member nations this world cup, to England's zero?
eng are an embarrassment too though, WI at least aren't a big boy anymore though
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India in a bit of trouble here. Surprising that holder batted first
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WI at least aren't a big boy anymore though
not sure Ambi would agree - he is looking pumped!
Smith has located the right length to bowl on this pitch...
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India in a bit of trouble here. Surprising that holder batted first
Team India making sure everyone contributes to batting
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Hales for Ballance looks like a done deal. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31761310 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31761310)
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Nice to see england don't have a monopoly on players in dreadful Nick....
Step forward de kock
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All well and good smashing minnows around but when it comes to big games and pressure of chasing SA showing what they do best. Seen it far too many times.
Decent bowling from wahib though.
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All well and good smashing minnows around but when it comes to big games and pressure of chasing SA showing what they do best. Seen it far too many times.
Decent bowling from wahib though.
Yip seen it far to many times :(
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Expect a bite soon
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Afridi showing how ordinary his bowling really is without Ajmal chucking from the other end.
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Pakistan win by 29 runs, who predicted that one at the half way stage?
Now over to the other game Ireland posted 331-8 with a century for Joyce and 97 for Balbirine.
Zimbabwe 44-3 off 11, a wicket apiece for Cusak, Mooney & K O'Brien. Come on Ireland!
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PAK beat mighty SAF by 29 runs.
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Surely SA have a replacement for de cock?
Can't be good for a batting line up knowing your guaranteed to be 1 down in the first few overs every game.
Group b wide open!
Ireland looking good again. Win her pe takes the, to 6 points and into the quali positions.
They also got 331. Scotland got 330 ish, Bangladesh chased it down.
Really is only england that can scrape 300.....
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Really hoping Ireland can win this game. Would be great if it was by a decent main as well
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Brilliant 100 from Taylor. Runs when they count in the pressure of a chase.
Ireland missing rankin's 10 overs.
Shaping up to be a good game.
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WICKET.
That has just changed the game. Very interesting now.
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Ireland's fielding has been really poor, that should have been a run out. And another run out missed. Ireland really bottling it with the pressure
Zim should win it from here with Kevin O'Brien bowling filth.
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A total farce by the umpires!
Williams gone off the field by taking the fielders word whilst Mooney has touched the boundary rope.
Mooney should be called a cheater there
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That over might of just sealed it for Zimbabwe
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A bit harsh! The touch was minuscule, and through thick socks, and decent shoes, how anyone can sit in front the telly and say. "He knew he'd tocuhed that then" is beyond me.
Not cheating, umps should have used technology and Williams stayed on the pitch.
Awfull 49th over, but a wicket first ball off the 50thnhas helped!
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What a game! IRELAAAAAAAAAAAAND
Wish I had sky sports now, TMS was edge of the seat stuff so I'm sure watching it would've been even better!
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A bit harsh! The touch was minuscule, and through thick socks, and decent shoes, how anyone can sit in front the telly and say. "He knew he'd tocuhed that then" is beyond me.
He's got a pair of eyes though? He did turn around and check if his foot had touched the rope after the catch was taken.
https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/574167917626961920
Zim were robbed in that game
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One hell of a game! Best game of cricket I have watched in years.
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Zimb weren't robbed of a game in any way, Williams crossed the boundary and gave himself out. There's barely a way Mooney couldn't have known for sure.
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I personally think it was out and you can't blame mooney for it. The umpires are there for a reason and if he thinks it was ok then fair enough
Great game by both teams. Still think the ICC are ridiculous for even thinking of reducing the wc
Hopefully ireland will be able to do enough to proceed to the quarter finals
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Wasn't one of the Ireland players dismissed off a no ball. So surely that evens itself out. Not sure mooney touched the rope anyway
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Anything McCullum does is turning to gold at the moment.
Takes off Southee after 1 over and brings on Vettori and he strikes first ball
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It's all about the change of ends, and it bought a wicket!
Mcullum gold.
Can't see nz having to chase anything over 150-175 here, although I hope the afghans do better.
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That review was fools gold from mcullum
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Cheers for electing to bat Afghanistan. Off to do the lawns.
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pathetic afg. they could have at least bowled first.
what a pointless game
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I wish Eng would take a look at the length Boult and southie are bowling. Perfect good to full length.
Over a yard fuller than the pies we bowl.
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I wish Eng would take a look at the length Boult and southie are bowling. Perfect good to full length.
Over a yard fuller than the pies we bowl.
tey need to up the pace too. eng are plod
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Afghan with a decent fightback.
Shame the blow yo the head has halted proceedings, dude needs a new lid atleast!
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pathetic afg. they could have at least bowled first.
what a pointless game
Pathetic Afghanistan seemingly sailing past the score a spineless England set against the same xi players.
I'm suprised I man off your style isn't enjoying the 35 of 85 balls shenwari is currently on unbeaten. It's very dig in.
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AFG trying their damnest to contain McCullum!!!
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On your bike McCullum. Has he , McCullum, been tested for steroids or performance enhancing drug use?
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And Shane Watson has pulled out the photos he must have of the selectors and finds himself back in the team - just when we all thought he was done!!
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Openers gone for Oz. Credit to A mathews for spin tactics.
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What a dumb shot by Finch! Bet he wont like seeing that one again...
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I've never been a fan of maxwell but his last two innings have been great to watch. The lad can certainly bat that's for sure!
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That's some knock by Maxwell!
Lehmann's pulled a master stroke by sticking Watson at 6. The Aussie batting did look top heavy but now looks balanced and really dangerous.
Was hoping Sri lanka might win this so that the Aussies play SA in the QF but no chance at chasing this.
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That's some knock by Maxwell!
Lehmann's pulled a master stroke by sticking Watson at 6. The Aussie batting did look top heavy but now looks balanced and really dangerous.
Was hoping Sri lanka might win this so that the Aussies play SA in the QF but no chance at chasing this.
After yesterday's performance I don't fancy our chances against anybody in the quaters...Well apart from England maybe :)
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After yesterday's performance I don't fancy our chances against anybody in the quaters...Well apart from England maybe :)
Better hope AB wins the toss. Massive advantage batting first this WC and no pressure of chasing.
Think England will be facing India if they qualify though.
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Better hope AB wins the toss. Massive advantage batting first this WC and no pressure of chasing.
Think England will be facing India if they qualify though.
Agreed for SA to win the world cup AB has to win every toss and bat first. And our batsman have to pull their finger out when facing quality bowling. Oh and it would be nice if Steyn found his venom again and de kock needs to start moving his feet.
Lots of 'ands ' in all that so im not holding out to much hope the cup will be arriving on South African shores any time soon.
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Have you seen Sangakkara's lid... It has an extra piece of protection for the back of the neck. Is this Masuri's answer to the problem?
What do you think?
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What brand of helmet is sangakkara wearing is it still ayrtek?
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No it's a Masuri
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What brand of helmet is sangakkara wearing is it still ayrtek?
No it's a masuri the new series. Has some sort of padding on the back of it under the shell protecting the neck.
All happening here at the SCG Dilshan cutting loose!
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No it's a masuri the new series. Has some sort of padding on the back of it under the shell protecting the neck.
All happening here at the SCG Dilshan cutting loose!
It's the Masuri 'Stemguard', the images were released a couple of weeks ago and are on the Helmets thread I believe.
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Yep definitely looks like the finished version of the 'stemguard' that is in the helmets thread. Will be interesting to see if it catches on.
Would love to see dilshan and Sangakkara bat for a while and make a game of this.
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Looks better than mooney,s gorget construction
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Reckon the gorget looks less sweaty however, and more sturdy of course.
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The stem guard looks like it is falling off or is not a very good fit, I hope that is the case otherwise it looks a little scruffy.
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Yep definitely looks like the finished version of the 'stemguard' that is in the helmets thread. Will be interesting to see if it catches on.
Would love to see dilshan and Sangakkara bat for a while and make a game of this.
Sure they will catch on if it becomes a standard fitting. I remember the comments about the fixed grill masuris when they were first released and how people disliked them but now they seem the norm. It certainly looks better being all the same colour rather than the initial released images which looked really cheap in my opinion.
Will be interesting to see if the stemguard can be added to existing lids if you decide you want one as I can't see many people paying out again if they've just purchased a fixed grill lid (myself included)..
As other comments have mentioned it still looks like it's a prototype as it doesn't look very well fitted.
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Sangakarra going through bats this knock. Going from a Newbury to a ton and back to the Newbury
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Mathews is also wearing a stem guard and it seems a slightly better fit that that of Sangakkara.
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Really good effort from Sri lanka so far in this massive chase. Still think they'll fall short.
Good to see the third umpires keeping up consistency in poor decisions this World Cup. Not sure how Sangakarra's wicket wasn't called a no ball. Nothing behind the line.
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Because it wasn't clear either way.
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Strange but true, every single Sri lanken batsman thus far has worn am arm guard, is it a team directive??
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Can't be a proto if it's been supplied to players - safety gear has to go through cert tests first. Does look a bit crap on Sangakarra's though, posted a photo in the helmets thread before I saw this.
Disappointed that the Aussies have realised after 10 years or however long that Watson isn't a top order bat, looks a much better prospect at 6!
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Disappointed that the Aussies have realised after 10 years or however long that Watson isn't a top order bat, looks a much better prospect at 6!
He's batted lower before. He never really had the power to be a end-game big hitter or the skill enough to nurse the singles/twos as much as some.
He averages 45 opening the batting though
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Ah I see I was away during/post South Africa's dreadful defeat to Pakistan and certain posters where 'Looking for a bite'...
Anyway I said before the Proteas management made a huge error not selecting a second keeper(AB won't keep with his bad back) and with de Kock's shocking form there's no one up replace him. Selecting Phangio was an error, he's never likely to play unless Tahir gets hurt. I would've taken van Wyk instead of the second spinner.
Anyway we lost and TBH the side is unbalanced I fail to see why Ryan McLaren was axed after 2/3 poor games, yet Wayne Parnell has been crap for many years...
I was delighted for Glenn Maxwell to finally bag his first international century. Could open the floodgates. So much natural talent was just struggling to get that 100. Could go on to become the new Andrew Symonds.
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Interesting stat, the fantastic Michael Clarke has never scored a world cup hundred...
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Wonder how the England management justify dropping Finn yet broad was averaging 90 with the ball before this game. England management scared of broad throwing the toys out of the pram?
At least hales finally gets a game, can't be worse than what ballance has done so far.
275 should be an easy score to chase on this ground with that 54m boundary. Then again England will probably end up losing
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Moeen Ali runs himself out like a pratt...
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schoolboy run out, would love to see the bangers pull this off.
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I wonder if Shakib was indian would he get more recognition? He's a proper class player
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Who?
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I look at England and wonder what they are up to. Look at every team who are doing well in the modern game, they all have explosive batsman at the top and in the middle order. AUS: Warner, Finch, Maxwell. NZ: McCullum, Anderson, Ronchi. India: Dhawan, Sharma, Dhoni, Jadeja. Sri Lanka: Dilshan.
Surely there are explosive batsman in England? Kieswetter gave it a tap didn't he? You have Butler but he is a bit hit and miss. Ali looks ok but he's nothing like the other top teams hitters.
Something to ponder.
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Hales hype unjustified again. Gone for 27. 2/97
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Hales hype unjustified again. Gone for 27. 2/97
Hales is a class act. Has been completely shafted by the Eng management and this was his first game for 2 months.
your comment is unjustified. again.
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Hales is a class act. Has been completely shafted by the Eng management and this was his first game for 2 months.
your comment is unjustified. again.
Hales has two scoring shots cover drive and wild slog over deep mid wicket.
Class act? What ever next? shahid afridi as the new Sir Viv?
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Rubel produces a great delivery to see off the mentally weak Ian Bell, who once again caused england to lose all their momentum. 3/121
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Rubel turns the match! Gets Morgan for a duck! Brilliant catch by Shakib. 4/121
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Flattest and easiest chasing pitch going around with a below par total and England are struggling.
England are going out.
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Peter Moores must be seeing Kevin Pietersen's face in his nightmares...
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Morgan again failing to produce a score against (on paper) a far less superior team, I think the fall out from this CWC if England don't qualify will be for the captain to either be sacked or resign himself which is sad really
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5/132 Taylor falls to a dreadful shot.
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Really glad I backed Bangladesh now. First bet of the tournament. Got them at 3/1 in play
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Another one falls. Forget about struggles against spin, nothing more embarrassing than struggling with Bangladesh's pace attack
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Again Morgan brought himself to the crease 10 overs too early. Baffling to see him running away from the finisher role.
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England must have one foot on the plane home by now
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Another one falls. Forget about struggles against spin, nothing more embarrassing than struggling with Bangladesh's pace attack
Totally unfair assessment. Rubel has been rapid and Taskin has been really impressive. Bangladesh fast bowlers are getting better all the time.
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Totally unfair assessment. Rubel has been rapid and Taskin has been really impressive. Bangladesh fast bowlers are getting better all the time.
Agreed - look at the speeds they are bowling
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Please please please ECB do the right thing for once nad sack every single member of your company!! Every single man/woman is a disgrace for not standing up against the ECB over the last few years. Fire Morgan, Downton, Clarke and every single coach, analyst, kitman currently involved
total disgrace
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I'm an Aussie living in England ven i think theres abit of an over reaction here. Root has got this dont worry
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Mortaza gets Root. 6/163
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pack your bags chaps, we are off home!
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If England lose they will end their campaign without beating any full icc member.
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I'm an Aussie living in England ven i think theres abit of an over reaction here. Root has got this dont worry
Has he now :o
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We're going home were going home. We're going. Ecbs going home!
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Courageous spell of bowling by Bangladesh's skipper Mashrafe Mortaza pretty much limping through his entire 10 overs.
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95 off the last 10 is a big ask....Buttler could get Moores out of all kinds of crap here. C'mon Buttler!
....not that I think Moores should be saved ;)
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hanging on by the skin of our teeth
this is a nightmare to track on the net
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moores has got to go regardless of the result. charts/targets/graphs/business speak should be thrown out with him
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Buttler is set to become the most hated man in English cricket by winning and keep Moores in a job!
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Buttler and woakes showing how flat this track really is and how to put away half volleys instead of edging them behind.
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Buttler is set to become the most hated man in English cricket by winning and keep Moores in a job!
haha true
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I hope the bat manufacturers aren't wasting all their good wood to supply this mob...
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Buttler is set to become the most hated man in English cricket by winning and keep Moores in a job!
I really want England to do well but like you've said a part of me wants them to loose this game so change can happen, a win today will gloss over the fact that they've been poor all tournament.
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woakes is doing his bit too SR 100, these 2 can see us home for some more pappering over the cracks.
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Taskin gets the huge wicket off Buttler!
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woakes is doing his bit too SR 100, these 2 can see us home for some more pappering over the cracks.
DOH!
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Now we see if England have the bottle to pull this off!
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And buttler decides to edge a half volley as well
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Jordan out first ball
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All a bit Daily Mail-esque in here - shoulder of Jordan's bat was grounded though and ignoring that, there's no definitive way to accept that was in or out based on the replays.
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Just looking to see if I have any Irish bloodlines..........sods law it's celtic but bloody Welsh!
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Excellent spell by Shakib, Bangladesh's star man reliable as ever.
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Massive drop there from tamim. That's probably the game.
Stupid shot from woakes
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Rubel cleans up Broad. 9/260
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Time for the Burnley Lara
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Its all up to the Burnley Lara now!
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Rubel Hossain a star is born!
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OMG thats it
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well its nothing more than you deserved unfortunately
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England may just give up. They have been no better than associates in this wc
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bye bye Moores
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ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha
England are out
How funny. FIRE THE LOT
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Middle stump yorker by Rubel dismisses Anderson
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great effort by woakes
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Have England hit an all time low?
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Rubel cleans up Broad. 9/260
Backing away yet again. Broad is a disgrace. No fight, bowling slow and not standing up when his team needs him at any point. Please retire and stop thieving a living mr millionaire.
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That's better. No papering over the cracks. England have been poor this tournament and wouldn't it be nice if Cricket England and Wales now took a proper look at itself and made some changes...
That would be a decent dream...
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Have England hit an all time low?
I think it's worse mate, half the 'fans' actively want them to do badly. I can't believe it's ever been like that before
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The games between the minnows have been really good, today's no different ;).
Blame KP!!
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I think it's worse mate, half the 'fans' actively want them to do badly. I can't believe it's ever been like that before
The issue is with the England Executive not accepting that there are issues and taking the appropriate actions to make improvements. And if England continue to do semi well then they can hide from it. They didn't and they can't.
Time for some real answers.
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Bangladesh will start favourites against the Proteas...😬
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Oh boy cannot believe England's out of the world cup..
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that sums up a pretty awful 12 months for the ECB. The KP fiasco, losing all the ODI series, appointing a coach with a poor international record again. Might of got away with a series win against a lacklustre India but that's about it.
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Any bets on Morgan to be wearing green in his next international match?
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Anyone know how to look up your family tree to see if you have any distant relatives from countries afar....SA, Oz or NZ would be great....I knew that great uncle Bruce twice removed would serve a purpose at some point?
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Hopefully the best thing that could have happened for our ODI side. If we has scrapped through this and then against AFG and made qtr finals all would have been ok as we would have heard "we make our expectations" blah blah blah but maybe this will kick things off a bit.
This should be the last time we see Bell, Broad, Anderson in ODI cricket. We are so far behind its untrue. As a Englishmen hate to say it but would love for Leaman to be appointed head coach as what he has done with Aussie team over last. 18 months is amazing, he grabbed that team by the scuff or the neck and saved them from falling from grace like we have just seen England do over the same period.
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Bangladesh will start favourites against the Proteas...😬
Dont think that will happen mate, Sri lanka has one more match to go ... and they will climb up to 3rd and Bangladesh to 4th so most probably, it will be SA vs Sri Lanka in QF.... ;)
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The worst thing about this was how predictable it all was.
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What no sprinkler? :D
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Any bets on Morgan to be wearing green in his next international match?
On form he wouldn't get into the Irish team. Don't know how keen ireland are to have him back. We will take rankin back no problem though
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Anyone know how to look up your family tree to see if you have any distant relatives from countries afar....SA, Oz or NZ would be great....I knew that great uncle Bruce twice removed would serve a purpose at some point?
A lad called Kevin Pietersen fits the bill...
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#mooresout
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That was just effing sad, about all one can say.
On the plus side, this match/series may serve as a catalyst for change.
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I wouldn't be too harsh on England. I just finished a team building conference and when we did something we were asked if that was the best we could do, if it was then everyone was happy. That was the best England could do so well done to them :D
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Time for broad, Anderson and bell to retire from odi cricket. Particularly broad and Anderson, the most selfish cricketers going around. Had the choice of skipping odi series in the past and get a free pass into the team when a odi tournament comes along.
Easy QF for India against Bangladesh now. They won't mind this result one bit
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Cook had a good WC :)
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Cook had a good WC :)
So did bopara, England's odi player of the year
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LOL at Moores just now on sky, just said when questioned where did it all go wrong, he said we lost 2 players, Johnathan Trot and??? he just remembered who the other player was. Dead man walking me thinks.
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Fair result not at the races again enjoyable game with the better sie winning on the day.
Been some wrold cup this shame we going home but still good to keep watching Sangga and Maxwell and Gayle and AB mash it..
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Reaction - Peter Moores ''At some point we have to look at one-day cricket full stop and where we go with it."
You said it Peter, but where it goes and you go are probably different places.
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Time for broad, Anderson and bell to retire from odi cricket. Particularly broad and Anderson, the most selfish cricketers going around. Had the choice of skipping odi series in the past and get a free pass into the team when a odi tournament comes along.
Easy QF for India against Bangladesh now. They won't mind this result one bit
I bet they do. They'd have rather have played England!
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"We should have chased that down tonight. We haven't got a settled team, we lost two key players at the top of the order - Jonathan Trott was our number three - we accept that and move on from it''
What the hell is Moores smoking!
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Knew it #trottsfault :D
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Joking aside, Trott was very good 2 years ago when we were playing the Champions Trophy in England. 2 New balls swinging around etc. Time has moved on and even though the next World Cup is in the UK, I don't think the scores are going to reduce much with the present playing conditions.
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"We should have chased that down tonight. We haven't got a settled team, we lost two key players at the top of the order - Jonathan Trott was our number three - we accept that and move on from it''
What the hell is Moores smoking!
seriously...you couldn't make this up!!! forget the players we DO NOT HAVE A CLUE what we are doing.aaargghhhhhhhh!!!!
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From the analysis it's clear that Sky seem to have got a memo from the ecb not to mention kp's name
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KP sitting at home with a beer or 2 laughing his cock off me thinks?. Not saying KP would have single handily changed what happened but it does go to show what the knee jerk reaction to what happened in Oz has resulted in. And for me it is clear KP was just a scape goat to the real underlying problems in English cricket.
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The Afghans must really fancy their chances of beating us next up.
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I am not sure if I am only Bangladeshi around here. Needless to say I am pretty excited about today's result and hopefully England will come back strong with more focus toward One dayers in the next World cup.
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India outclassed Ireland and secured top spot in pool B. Dhawan bagged a second World Cup 100, Rohit bagged a 50, Ashwin and Shami bowled nicely.
Ireland face a do a die game with Pakistan in their final group match.
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Watching the highlights now and Gary Wilson got lucky! Dhawan ramped one straight into the grille of his helmet just in frobt of his ear. Was very nearly a nasty incident!
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So why's Sangakarra retiring again? Complete opposite to blokes like anderson and bell who still haven't announced their retirement from odi cricket and are still arrogant enough to think they're good enough to continue.
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One has integrity with a life while the other 2 are just seeking financial reward regardless of those around them who suffer.
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#EnglandWatch
Injuries suddenly appearing! And so it begins...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31828439 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/31828439)
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So why's Sangakarra retiring again? Complete opposite to blokes like anderson and bell who still haven't announced their retirement from odi cricket and are still arrogant enough to think they're good enough to continue.
Are they allowed to retire from one format? A few years ago KP wasn't allowed to give up ODI's to just play Tests and T20.
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Are they allowed to retire from one format? A few years ago KP wasn't allowed to give up ODI's to just play Tests and T20.
That was an ECB policy I think bud
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Are they allowed to retire from one format? A few years ago KP wasn't allowed to give up ODI's to just play Tests and T20.
He just wanted to make the most money the easiest way and the ECB weren't using him in the T20.
In fact, wasn't it that the ECB said if he gives up ODI, it includes T20s? They never dropped him for this in tests.
KP wanted to play T20 as that is where the money is nowadays so no England T20, poor IPL money.
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Is this the highest score that NZ has had to chase?
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Is this the highest score that NZ has had to chase?
In this WOrld cup "YES". Next highest is for Afghanistan 186.
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http://www.huntscountybats.co.uk/aura-bat.html (http://www.huntscountybats.co.uk/aura-bat.html)
Looks like mccullum'is bat. Spinner gets mcul out. Noted by QF hopeful.
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Taylor's knock must be up there with bell as one of the worst knocks.
No excuse batting with a SR of 57 chasing 288
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If McCullum can slog a quick 50+, the rest of the Kiwis don't have that fear factor.
Nasir Hossian should've been in the Bangladesh side from the beginning. Very talented player.
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NZ won but they are exposed. It came down to last over. BAN came close to defeating NZ.
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NZ won but they are exposed. It came down to last over. BAN came close to defeating NZ.
Don't think nz would mind a close game. Tested under pressure with a chase, the players who needed runs got runs. The likes of guptil, Elliot etc
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NZ won but they are exposed. It came down to last over. BAN came close to defeating NZ.
Were we following the same game?
There were 7 balls left (which last time I checked wasn't the last over) and although Bangladesh played well the game never really got beyond NZ (despite Taylor's best effort!)
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I think that game will be really good for NZ. To finally have a bit of a test for the middle and lower order batters but ultimately despite Taylor's shocking SR they still won it with more than an over to spare.
I must say I think the Bangledesh skipper missed a trick not bowling Rebel at the end, Vettori is far more comfortable against spin etc...
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Right so it's 101 needed in 25 overs.... Surely we can't muck this up? Right?
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I must say it's been good to see Bangledesh doing well and competing at this World Cup. In the past, we've had them as our overseas players and they were all very nice people. Two of them had played for Bangledesh, but one unfortunately got killed in a motorcycle accident (RIP Rana).
To be fair to Taylor, he hasn't exactly had a great World Cup so far, so coming in at 33 for 2, getting some valuable time at the crease going into the quarters top of the group seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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England have 25 overs to bat...whats the odds that we still keep Butler and Bopara at 7-8
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This must be the worst fielding I've seen in international cricket.
Most village sides would have done a better job
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Some really "England" fielding.
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Hales falls for a breezy 30 odd. Only dropped twice. .....
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And Bell shows that he would be right up there with the best in the world, if he only played in dead rubbers.
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Yawn! England beats spunky minnow in shortened run chase. Then statements come out that nothing is wrong and we 'executed our areas'
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love England, but here's to watching some real teams from now on.
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sadly the ECB will take that as a case study.
"Look at how well we did against Afghanistan, that's why Peter Moores has kept his job."
I hate saying it, but as an England fan it would've probably been for the best if we'd lost!
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And it certainly would've been funnier.
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Were we following the same game?
There were 7 balls left (which last time I checked wasn't the last over) and although Bangladesh played well the game never really got beyond NZ (despite Taylor's best effort!)
Yup, 7 balls.
At one point NZ needed 26 in 20 balls. Vittori and pacer (name, Southie?) hit some easy sixes in their grade-school size cricket field. A better bowling unit would have tightened the game further.
Spinner took out McCullum and Kane. Guptil was an LBW out early in his inning which BAN did not review.
BAN played clever cricket , NZ were lucky.
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Yup, 7 balls.
At one point NZ needed 26 in 20 balls. Vittori and pacer (name, Southie?) hit some easy sixes in their grade-school size cricket field. A better bowling unit would have tightened the game further.
Spinner took out McCullum and Kane. Guptil was an LBW out early in his inning which BAN did not review.
BAN played clever cricket , NZ were lucky.
26 off 20 - high required run rate over a short period, I'd say the batting size are usually favourites in that position (unless it's England!)
"Hit some easy sixes in their grade-school size cricket field." Bangladesh batted on the same pitch with the same boundaries!
Yes Bangladesh played clever cricket, but even with McCullum, Williamson & co dismissed I never felt New Zealand were chasing the game.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree here (but I'm right! ;) )
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26 off 20 - high required run rate over a short period, I'd say the batting size are usually favourites in that position (unless it's England!)
"Hit some easy sixes in their grade-school size cricket field." Bangladesh batted on the same pitch with the same boundaries!
Yes Bangladesh played clever cricket, but even with McCullum, Williamson & co dismissed I never felt New Zealand were chasing the game.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree here (but I'm right! ;) )
LOL! There were a few positives for Bangladesh from this game. I hope we can beat India in the QF though it will be a monumental task. However, against India anything below 350 batting first is probably not going to be enough. Keeping fingers crossed for the QF against India. :-[
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26 off 20 - high required run rate over a short period, I'd say the batting size are usually favourites in that position (unless it's England!)
I agree (not with the England part though :) ) and that is what makes it interesting: NZ is a much better side and it should've been 26 required in 100 balls. How did this get down to 20. NZ slipped.
"Hit some easy sixes in their grade-school size cricket field." Bangladesh batted on the same pitch with the same boundaries!
True dat but home field familiarity is an advantage.
Yes Bangladesh played clever cricket, but even with McCullum, Williamson & co dismissed I never felt New Zealand were chasing the game.
NZ got lucky. This match has established a template for teams to follow.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree here (but I'm right! ;) )
Nope. :D NZ are found out.
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Zim better hope they win the toss against India in the next game with such small boundaries.
Otherwise India could get 450+, could be carnage
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Machan has grit!
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Theyre all something that rhymes with grit
May as well have a net
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Brilliant knock from Taylor in his last game. Good to see all the Indian players congratulate him to, something England would never do.
India in a spot of trouble here needed 140 at 8's
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Simply magnificent from Brendan Taylor, signing off in style with the bat. He showed his class at his world cup - 400+ runs @ 70. It's s shame his talent won't be seen again on the world stage.
Elsewhere Mitchell Starc continues to take ODI wickets for fun. Another 4 today.
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Uae haven't turned up.
Or the Windies have for once!
Suppose the bowlers have to seeing as no gayle today.
Uae 26 for 5 currently.
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Uae haven't turned up.
Or the Windies have for once!
Suppose the bowlers have to seeing as no gayle today.
Uae 26 for 5 currently.
batting well then
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Anyone know Whalen UAE (and England) start selling off their World Cup gear?
Both teams have some nice bats with plenty of runs left in them
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Anyone know Whalen UAE (and England) start selling off their World Cup gear?
Both teams have some nice bats with plenty of runs left in them
I hope Moeen's SS/TON kookaburra comes up on the cheap ;)
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6 down Sri lanka. Don't even see SA choking this run chase.
Really odd knock from Sanga batting at a SR of 40
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6 down Sri lanka. Don't even see SA choking this run chase.
Really odd knock from Sanga batting at a SR of 40
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not really, thirimanae was going well early on so he could take his time. Then wickets fall so he's become vital that he stays at the wicket
8 down now
now he simply has to bat through so can't play any risky shots. SL gone now, simply undefendable this total
hat trick for JP
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Then wickets fall so he's become vital that he stays at the wicket
sangakarra batting slow has put pressure on the guys at the other end who have ended up getting out.
He's SL's best player of spin and hasn't looked to play a shot in anger. Just saying he could have put the pressure back on the likes of duminy.
Looks like he's decided to go for it in the powerplay. No option but to do so being 8 down
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sangakarra batting slow has put pressure on the guys at the other end who have ended up getting out.
He's SL's best player of spin and hasn't looked to play a shot in anger. Just saying he could have put the pressure back on the likes of duminy.
Looks like he's decided to go for it in the powerplay. No option but to do so being 8 down
how did the slogging go for him?
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how did the slogging go for him?
He had to if SL had any chance of getting 220. Was pointless him continuing to bat the way he was and SL going nowhere batting at 3 rpo.
To be fair South Africa have bowled pretty well but Sri Lanka haven't turned up
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He had to if SL had any chance of getting 220. Was pointless him continuing to bat the way he was and SL going nowhere batting at 3 rpo.
To be fair South Africa have bowled pretty well but Sri Lanka haven't turned up
15 overs to go.. he could quite easily have scored a 4 and a single to keep the strike.. that's 75.. add that to 127 and boom.. you are around 200.. he'd probably score a few more in the last few overs anyway so 220 was on if he batted sensibly. instead the team are in even more trouble. He's just been caught out mentally this game that's all, not all his fault though, SL batsmen were poor and gave their wickets away playing mindless shots
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I don't feel that sanga's run rate caused the wickets to fall but the other way around . He was saving his wicket for last overs where he could accelerate but well .... Seems like SA will go ahead now ...
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Duminy hat trick!! And he didn't even know
Who'd have thought that sout Africa's spinners would tear through the line up.
And england didn't bother r playing one till we was out.
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Duminy hat trick!! And he didn't even know
Who'd have thought that sout Africa's spinners would tear through the line up.
And england didn't bother r playing one till we was out.
funny comment too was for Kulersakera's dismissal (kudos for walking to BTW - great to see someone show you can play hard, fair and competitively but still play in the right spirit) 'Dumny bowled the slider'... umm, duminy barely turned anything so it wasn't a slider.. it was his stock ball... Kulersakera just played for non exsistent spin!
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15 overs to go.. he could quite easily have scored a 4 and a single to keep the strike.. that's 75.. add that to 127 and boom.. you are around 200.. he'd probably score a few more in the last few overs anyway so 220 was on if he batted sensibly. instead the team are in even more trouble. He's just been caught out mentally this game that's all, not all his fault though, SL batsmen were poor and gave their wickets away playing mindless shots
My point was with his ability to play spin, it was really poor to allow tahir and duminy to bowl in the middle overs without taking a single risk.
Just dug a hole for himself batting so slow.
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Is this QF game setting the tone for the rest of the QFs? It is a disaster for an otherwise stable SL side! Spinner Imran Tahir takes 4 wickets and SL are good at playing spin. Shocking!
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My point was with his ability to play spin, it was really poor to allow tahir and duminy to bowl in the middle overs without taking a single risk.
Just dug a hole for himself batting so slow.
if he'd have taken a risk and got out earlier then the score could have been even worse!
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Kumar Sangakkara mercilessly flogged easy runs against the minnows. Against the big three he didn't deliver. FTB
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Historic victory for South Africa first ever knock out game victory in the ICC world cup! Quinny back in form, dare I say it two games away from the trophy we crave the most.
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:D :D finally.....
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Kumar Sangakkara mercilessly flogged easy runs against the minnows. Against the big three he didn't deliver. FTB
Mighty fine trolling that.
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Historic victory for South Africa first ever knock out game victory in the ICC world cup! Quinny back in form, dare I say it two games away from the trophy we crave the most. left to choke
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Quinny back in form,
and you call Kumar the legend a FTB. You are an amusing idiot
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Historic victory for South Africa first ever knock out game victory in the ICC world cup! Quinny back in form, dare I say it two games away from the trophy we crave the most.
Good to see him get some runs, back in form? I guess you are only as good as your last knock but you'd think if he can perform in the next game or (two) then SA look in good shape
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What's a FTB?
Edit - never mind. Flat track bully. Long day at work....
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What's a FTB?
Flat Track Bully I am assuming. Basically, every batsmen that isn't a Saffa who scores runs is a FTB
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Kumar Sangakkara mercilessly flogged easy runs against the minnows. Against the big three he didn't deliver. FTB
Nice to see some class from you @Gerry SA.
Its Arrogant & Obnoxious South Africans like you who give the rest of us a bad name. Why not show a little class for example when a great cricket player calls it a day say 'well done' and 'thanks' for the memories. Instead of insulting his ability and generally making yourself look like a complete (No Swearing Please). Which after reading most of the utter rubbish you have posted on the forum might seem almost impossible to do.
I'm not on the forum to teach common courtesy to people but you sir could do with a lesson or two.
@the mods & forum I would like to apologise for my post but some people just need to be reminded of some of the qualities that make us cricket players what we are.
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moving right along.
Aus vs Pak today in my home town of Adelaide and i'm at work on my lunch break with family sick at home so I won't be attending.
QF's today have been predictable.
Prediction I'm expecting Aus to beat Pak by 100 runs if they batting first. NZ should take out WI with ease.
Setting up two classic Semi Final Matches NZ vs SA in NZ and Aus vs India in Aus.
Prediction
SA to outscore NZ
Aus pace to flatten Indian dreams.
Prediction AUS vs SA Final at the MCG. Winner Cricket Fans everywhere and hopefully Aus, but i'm not as confident against SA.
ps. If NZ beat SA, it would be their first game in AUS and AUS (or IND) would start favorites.
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moving right along.
Aus vs Pak today in my home town of Adelaide and i'm at work on my lunch break with family sick at home so I won't be attending.
QF's today have been predictable.
Prediction I'm expecting Aus to beat Pak by 100 runs if they batting first. NZ should take out WI with ease.
Setting up two classic Semi Final Matches NZ vs SA in NZ and Aus vs India in Aus.
Prediction
SA to outscore NZ
Aus pace to flatten Indian dreams.
Prediction AUS vs SA Final at the MCG. Winner Cricket Fans everywhere and hopefully Aus, but i'm not as confident against SA.
ps. If NZ beat SA, it would be their first game in AUS and AUS (or IND) would start favorites.
I completely agree with your predictions but have SA down to win the trophy in the Aussies back yard :) (would take a miracle thou)
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Aussies in a spot of bother 59-3 chasing only 213.
Pick up smith and this could be interesting
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As an Aussie I really want us to win - but geez it's good to to see the Pakistanis getting into Shane Watson!!!
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As an Aussie I really want us to win - but geez it's good to to see the Pakistanis getting into Shane Watson!!!
Shame they can't catch. Wahib was all over Watson there
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Shame they can't catch. Wahib was all over Watson there
Yep that was terrible. Heartbreaking for the bowler
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It's a wonder the handle on that GM hasn't snapped yet it's been hit so many times
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I thought watson looked ordinary against bounce.....and then Maxwell comes to the crease. This will not go unnoticed. Great fight back by Watson in the end, thought he was a gonna for a while.
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I thought watson looked ordinary against bounce.....and then Maxwell comes to the crease. This will not go unnoticed. Great fight back by Watson in the end, thought he was a gonna for a while.
Great 4 through point though as he retreated to leg and did a sort square cut right under his chin. I swear when I first saw it, it looked like he hit it with his bat vertical pointing to the skies, and him striking some kind of hammer blow straight down. It actually looked better in slow mo, but not one for the orthodoxy.
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As an Aussie I really want us to win - but geez it's good to to see the Pakistanis getting into Shane Watson!!!
He who laughs last laughs loudest.... have a nice flight home pakistan.......
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Just seen Pakistan's drop of Watson. "Village" doesn't even describe it.
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Pakistan lost that on their own with dropped catches and terrible overall fielding. In term of batting the openers didn't show up and put a lot of pressure on the rest of the line up.
It was a great toss to win and a 270+ score and better fielding could have meant a whole different result.
Some awesome bowling by Wahab Riaz.
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Result would have been the same, anyway moot point. Our batting beside Smith who was excellent was ok, some good bowling by the pakis but 213 is never going to stop Australia regardless of how many wickets down we are.
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New Zealand looking unstoppable at the moment! Guptill and Boult on fire! Neither considered to be elite world class cricketers by many though, which I find interesting...
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It demonstrates quite how terrible England are .
What was also noticeable was the WI run rate was bonkers
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What was also noticeable was the WI run rate was bonkers
they went down fighting alright.
got to spare a thought for young Holder.
Narine and Ajmal would have made it an even interesting world cup.
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Yep I think Narine would have made a massive difference to the WI attack.
The run rate was crazy but one thing I would say is the Cake Tin really is a rugby ground and is ridiculously difficult to defend especially with only 4 allowed out.
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Costly drop by samules 3rd ball, might have been a different game.
If only West Indies had a death bowler...oh wait Clive Lloyd didn't select him.
Interesting to see how NZ go in pitches in Australia. All well and good smashing sides on small grounds.
Finally we get to see some proper cricket matches in the semi's. The group stages and QF's have been one sided
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Costly drop by samules 3rd ball, might have been a different game.
If only West Indies had a death bowler...oh wait Clive Lloyd didn't select him.
Interesting to see how NZ go in pitches in Australia. All well and good smashing sides on small grounds.
Finally we get to see some proper cricket matches in the semi's. The group stages and QF's have been one sided
NZ v SA semi is in Auckland so they won't have to worry about playing in AUS till possibly the final at the MCG
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NZ v SA semi is in Auckland so they won't have to worry about playing in AUS till possibly the final at the MCG
Thanks for clearing that one up
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Another highest world Cup innings at the same world Cup. These kiwi grounds are too small to take seriously.... And yet England struggle terribly.
As you say buzz, shows just how bad England are.
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Another highest world Cup innings at the same world Cup. These kiwi grounds are too small to take seriously.... And yet England struggle terribly.
As you say buzz, shows just how bad England are.
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Wellington didn't sem thy small when I as there, rapid outfield and an absolute road though!
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Another highest world Cup innings at the same world Cup. These kiwi grounds are too small to take seriously.... And yet England struggle terribly.
As you say buzz, shows just how bad England are.
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Small sideways at Wellington, pretty long straight though. That 6 Guptil hit on the roof would've been huge on any ground. I hate people who have a go at our small grounds, you still need to bat well.
SA scored 400 in Aussie too.
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Problem with the westpac was it is mostly a rugby stadium, go the hurricanes. As are all of the NZ Stadiums, playing card shape. Aussie Rules play on an oval. However, as with any ground it is the same for both teams.
Had an afternoon with the rugby. If England needed to have a +5 point margin they would have been +4. Why Do we/they always fall short . Great effort guys just not quite enough.
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Never understood this small ground malarkey.
All teams have to bat and bowl on the same pitch. So both have just as good a chance regardless.
Don't want to constantly get hit for six. Bowl better.
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When is too much of a good thing really too much?
Got some stats (baring in mind the 1975, 1979 and 1983 World Cups where 60 0vers. And 1987 was the first 50 over World Cup). Stats are offset in the knowledge the first 4 World Cups where more like 1 day Test matches. Obviously as ODI cricket became more marketable the number of matches at the World Cup increased.
1975 - 6 individual 100s, only 1 x 150+ score(Glenn Turner 171*).
1979 - 2 individual 100s, 0 x 150+ scores
1983 - 8 individual 100s, only 1 x 150+ score(Kapil Dev 175*).
1987 - 11 individual 100s, only 1 x 150+ score(IVA Richards 181*).
1992 - 8 individual 100s, 0 x 150+ scores.
1996 - 16 individual 100s, 2 x 150+ scores(Gary Kirsten 188* and Andrew Hudson 161).
1999 - 11 individual 100s, 1 x 150+ score(Sourav Ganguly 183).
2003 - 21 individual 100s, 2 x 150+ scores(Craig Wishart 172* and Sachin Tendulkar 152).
2007 - 20 individual 100s, 2 x 150+ scores(Imran Nazir 160 and Matthew Hayden 158).
2011 - 24 individual 100s, 2 x 150+ scores(Virender Sehwag 175 and Andrew Strauss 158)
2015(ONGOING) - 37 individual 100s, 7 x 150+ scores(Martin Guptill 237*, Chris Gayle 215, David Warner 178, AB de Villiers 162*, TM Dilshan 161*, Hashim Amla 159 and Kyle Coetzer 156).
In the previous 10 World Cups there was a combined 12 x 150+ scores. Yet in the ongoing World Cup it's like happy hour for the batsmen...alrwady 7 x 150+ scores....
When will the scales go in favour of the bowlers?
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Good post Gerry. I recon 4 outside the ring is too skewed, 5 out is more reasonable, thats the change id make. I think 2020 has made a massive difference to players understanding of what is actually possible.
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Apologies if this has been said in the thread before ... but 2 new balls will definitely make the ball go further, and may reduce the number of spinners, though the pitches will be a factor too
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When is too much of a good thing really too much?
Got some stats (baring in mind the 1975, 1979 and 1983 World Cups where 60 0vers. And 1987 was the first 50 over World Cup). Stats are offset in the knowledge the first 4 World Cups where more like 1 day Test matches. Obviously as ODI cricket became more marketable the number of matches at the World Cup increased.
1975 - 6 individual 100s, only 1 x 150+ score(Glenn Turner 171*).
1979 - 2 individual 100s, 0 x 150+ scores
1983 - 8 individual 100s, only 1 x 150+ score(Kapil Dev 175*).
1987 - 11 individual 100s, only 1 x 150+ score(IVA Richards 181*).
1992 - 8 individual 100s, 0 x 150+ scores.
1996 - 16 individual 100s, 2 x 150+ scores(Gary Kirsten 188* and Andrew Hudson 161).
1999 - 11 individual 100s, 1 x 150+ score(Sourav Ganguly 183).
2003 - 21 individual 100s, 2 x 150+ scores(Craig Wishart 172* and Sachin Tendulkar 152).
2007 - 20 individual 100s, 2 x 150+ scores(Imran Nazir 160 and Matthew Hayden 158).
2011 - 24 individual 100s, 2 x 150+ scores(Virender Sehwag 175 and Andrew Strauss 158)
2015(ONGOING) - 37 individual 100s, 7 x 150+ scores(Martin Guptill 237*, Chris Gayle 215, David Warner 178, AB de Villiers 162*, TM Dilshan 161*, Hashim Amla 159 and Kyle Coetzer 156).
In the previous 10 World Cups there was a combined 12 x 150+ scores. Yet in the ongoing World Cup it's like happy hour for the batsmen...alrwady 7 x 150+ scores....
When will the scales go in favour of the bowlers?
could you imagine how boring Test cricket would be if batsmen were as dominant in that format? Thankfully they often aren't, unless the pitch is an absolute road.
I agree, this ODI stuff is becoming too batsman friendly. Not too long ago, 300 was considered a mammoth score in 50 over cricket, now it's average at best! It would be great to see the format change to help the fielding side somehow. Just not sure how to best do that. Hopefully somebody will come up with something in time for the next world cup!
Clearly you can all tell I'm a bowler! :) :-[
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could you imagine how boring Test cricket would be if batsmen were as dominant in that format? Thankfully they often aren't, unless the pitch is an absolute road.
I agree, this ODI stuff is becoming too batsman friendly. Not too long ago, 300 was considered a mammoth score in 50 over cricket, now it's average at best! It would be great to see the format change to help the fielding side somehow. Just not sure how to best do that. Hopefully somebody will come up with something in time for the next world cup!
Clearly you can all tell I'm a bowler! :) :-[
Have you seen the new "(No Swearing Please) everything out the park" approach come into club cricket yet because people see it on the telly?
I can recall a couple of games where it was obvious last season.
In one game our third XI conceded over 400 one game.
A few weeks later I played a game where the opisition numbers 1-11 just teed off. A run rate of about 7 was maintained and we didn't get the 10th wicket until the last ball of the innings.
Is this going to become the norm in all standards of cricket? If so I can't see anyone wanting to be a bowler going forward!
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Have you seen the new "(No Swearing Please) everything out the park" approach come into club cricket yet because people see it on the telly?
I can recall a couple of games where it was obvious last season.
In one game our third XI conceded over 400 one game.
A few weeks later I played a game where the opisition numbers 1-11 just teed off. A run rate of about 7 was maintained and we didn't get the 10th wicket until the last ball of the innings.
Is this going to become the norm in all standards of cricket? If so I can't see anyone wanting to be a bowler going forward!
it is becoming the norm in club cricket, higher and higher scores, more and more 'hitters' and less quality in the bowling (coupled with fielding restrictions). I can't see it changing any time soon as no one wants to play draw cricket (meaning just smashing runs and not being able to actually 'take' wickets won't win you games!) and for some reason a game is only 'good' if people have smashed big runs. No one seems to enjoy a 181-9 plays 182-9 off 50 overs etc.
I can't remember all the stats but the club I'm currently at basically scored 300 or more like 5 times in it's long history.. this year we scored it at least once each weekend. Are we better batsmen?? probably not. The bowling is crap and the wickets are better.
most of the world cup has been pretty boring for me personally, I've not enjoyed the massive run fest but loved the Aus vs NZ game and a few of the minnow vs minnow games as they were tight and low scoring.
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Kiwi speedster Adam Milne has been ruled out of the rest of the World Cup with a heal problem. He's been replaced by the equally rapid Matt Henry, whom could walk straight into the playing XI.
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And with regards to rebalancing the debate between bat/ball in ODIs. The size of bats needs to be regulated. You see mishits going 100+ meters these days. Also 5 out of the ring should be brought back.
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I think regulating edge size could be a way forward - make the batsman have no more than a 20mm edge and get value for shots only out of the middle. If they mishit then the ball drops into a boundary fielder (back to 5 out for me) hands. Maybe combine it with some kind of weight restriction to make sure batsman can't have too forgiving a middle and it would make things alot harder. Could even do an F1 and restrict the number of bats that could be used in 12 months - making the batmakers press the bat for longevity.
On the bowlers side, I would like a return to 1 white ball and some proper investigation into different manufacturers. Surely they can come up with something that moves around a bit more? I think Shane Warne mentioned removing fielding restrictions altogether, that would pose a challenge in the last 10 overs?
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@uknsaunders I like the sound of no fielding restrictions! Before our 2nd XI go promoted into a league with fielding restrictions, the skipper used to have a master plan. He'd put men out from the start to cut off boundary options. When the run rate had gone up to 9s & above (when chasing) or in the last 10/15 overs we'd have everyone out. Good luck batsman!
A few oppositions told us it was village doing it, but you can't say it wasn't effective :D
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Whilst I have said before that this World Cup may end up a statistical outlier due to the perfect batting conditions and small grounds, I do think the structure of ODI crickte needs changing. The hit and giggle approach is great in T20 if you like that sort of thing, but its true that every change is in favour of Indian TV audiences...sorry, I mean, the batsman over the bowler and the game would be better for some rebalancing.
I would not change edge size or regulate bat weights. Too much of a nightmare.
I would, however, try to reposition the 50 over game away from T20 a bit more than it is now. The best way of doing so would be either to revert to five out of the circle or to look at more radical solutions to keep the interest up. What would that look like? I'd be interested to see how games would go if there were no bowling restrictions and fielding restrictions were limited to two out in the first 15 overs and no more than five on the legside...
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@uknsaunders I like the sound of no fielding restrictions! Before our 2nd XI go promoted into a league with fielding restrictions, the skipper used to have a master plan. He'd put men out from the start to cut off boundary options. When the run rate had gone up to 9s & above (when chasing) or in the last 10/15 overs we'd have everyone out. Good luck batsman!
A few oppositions told us it was village doing it, but you can't say it wasn't effective :D
I do like the idea of zero fielding restrictions, as you say.. good luck smashing so many runs with nearly all fielders out! It is particularly effective at club level too because the biffers get all annoyed at having to take a single each ball and end up getting out tryign to hit it even harder.
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plus in 50 overs even with all the fielders on the fence, going at 8 an over is still doable - you just need to do a load of running!!
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plus in 50 overs even with all the fielders on the fence, going at 8 an over is still doable - you just need to do a load of running!!
true buzz, but at the club level.. who has the fitness to run that much?? I'd back most people (even if they think they are fit because they do a few weights at the gym and look like a gym queen) will soon get tired on a july/aug day having to run singles/two's all the time and will make a error mentally (try and smack it, go across the line, nick it etc etc)
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@uknsaunders I like the sound of no fielding restrictions! Before our 2nd XI go promoted into a league with fielding restrictions, the skipper used to have a master plan. He'd put men out from the start to cut off boundary options. When the run rate had gone up to 9s & above (when chasing) or in the last 10/15 overs we'd have everyone out. Good luck batsman!
A few oppositions told us it was village doing it, but you can't say it wasn't effective :D
Played in similar situations and teams do shoot themselves in the foot doing this. The problem is you give away easy runs in the hope of stopping the boundary. You aren't certain to even stop the boundary, stick 9 men out with 5 on one side and 4 on another, and a well timed shot can still beat them. Not to mention the two's taken to the old guy 70 yards away. A decent batting team should go at 8 an over simply by pushing it around and they don't lose wickets as nobody is within 60 yards to catch it. Add in the odd bad ball that goes for 6 to the short part of the boundary and it' a very dangerous game.
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Played in similar situations and teams do shoot themselves in the foot doing this. The problem is you give away easy runs in the hope of stopping the boundary. You aren't certain to even stop the boundary, stick 9 men out with 5 on one side and 4 on another, and a well timed shot can still beat them. Not to mention the two's taken to the old guy 70 yards away. A decent batting team should go at 8 an over simply by pushing it around and they don't lose wickets as nobody is within 60 yards to catch it. Add in the odd bad ball that goes for 6 to the short part of the boundary and it' a very dangerous game.
I ended up taking over from the sunday capt mid game at Downend last season on a sunday. Their track is so easy to bat on and the boundary is stupidly small so just slogs would sail miles over the boundary for six. I employed this tactic as their guys were used to just tee'ing off regardless of the ball. shock horror, they had to stop playing big shots (where they were easily going at 10 an over +) and started going at 4-5 an over max.. sure enough, they got annoyed and started getting out as they suddenly weren't hitting as many easy boundaries and had to run singles (at no point is the field big enough to run a 2 unless the fielder is a idiot). rather than losing in 20 overs we lost in 38.. a success really
good teams will of course just knock it around but I think people underestimate the lack of quality in batting around in club cricket currently. So many of the batsmen I'm seeing are basiclaly just stand there are biff it players and they really won't be happy scoring a 100 in singles as theya re used to smacking it.. hard to change your ways even if it's the right way.
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What league are you lot playing in where two's are so abundant?
A lot of the blokes I play with and against look like they'll keel over after a quick single, so a barrage of running two's wont last long haha :D
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What league are you lot playing in where two's are so abundant?
A lot of the blokes I play with and against look like they'll keel over after a quick single, so a barrage of running two's wont last long haha :D
our team is 'fit' but if I'm being 100% honest and not being all cocky nad thinking that everyone is super fit.. they and I wouldn't be able to spend 50 overs running 'quick' 2's every ball or two. most would be knackered pretty quickly and would make errors or go to 'slow' 1's
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About two years ago I suggested Odis go to zero fielding restrictions....... And got some serious abuse for it.
Apparently that's what test cricket is for.
Remove the leg side wide rule. Or out some leeway in it! The ones that skim the batsmen/stumps should be no where near a wide.
0 bowling restrictions?
Fielding side allowed mints, Polish, sandpaper and some scissors to doctor the ball?
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ODI bowlers would be better off learning the true art of bowling than taking the road of 'everyone is against us' mentality.
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I think no restrictions is too unfair as you would have 9 fielders on the rope.
Relaxing the number of overs to, say 15 might be interesting.
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The bowling allocation should be:
14 overs
12 overs
10 overs
8 overs
6 overs
Therefore the fifth bowler bowling some dross is drastically reduced.
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AB de Villiers has won the toss and has elected to bat. Kyle Abbott, very unlucky, has been replaced by Vernon Philander.
As expected for the Kiwis, Matt Henry replaces the injured Adam Milne.
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AB de Villiers has won the toss and has elected to bat. Kyle Abbott, very unlucky, has been replaced by Vernon Philander.
As expected for the Kiwis, Matt Henry replaces the injured Adam Milne.
SA to choke?
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5th bowler for SA is major worry for them I reckon.who's watching in the uk?
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AB de Villiers has won the toss and has elected to bat. Kyle Abbott, very unlucky, has been replaced by Vernon Philander.
As expected for the Kiwis, Matt Henry replaces the injured Adam Milne.
quid put on with Coral that De Cock chokes for less than 25 runs.
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AB de Villiers has won the toss and has elected to bat. Kyle Abbott, very unlucky, has been replaced by Vernon Philander.
As expected for the Kiwis, Matt Henry replaces the injured Adam Milne.
two balls in.. de cock being made to look stupid
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oh gerry... 5 balls out of six and de cock hasn't got a clue
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de cock running scared, amla paid the price. Amla gone.
On a positive note, this is what bowling should be like. not easy, not just play through the line stuff.
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sa looking like FTB's against top line bowling. where is the technique saffas??
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Rain break, overs reduction and far going second ball back may have got suffers worried.
But the mighty yorkshire man teeing off. Miller on 42 of 14 currently. With 11 balls left!
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Miller gone for 49 of 18. A very important cameo
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McCullum off to a flier! SA getting smashed around the park
Good to see Amla continues to prove my point that he's not a big match player and never scores in pressure games. Much rather have someone like mcCullum averaging 30 odd than someone like Amla averaging 55 and scoring against rubbish teams. McCullum's a match winner unlike Amla
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22 ball 50 from mccullum! SA have no clue what do to here.
This game could be over very quickly.
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Real solid platform being set by McCullum, Abbot must be gutted thought he bowled well.
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Abdominal thrusts (Heimlich Manoeuvre or Heimlich Maneuver) is a first aid procedure used to treat upper airway obstructions (or choking) by foreign objects.
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McCullum goes but the damage has been done. Sensible batting here and nz have won this
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SA where are you big match players, Amla &
Steyn looking ordinary, shame I have to do some work now was enjoying watching SA look just as bad as England did by NZ lol.
Chin up Gerry. :D
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Ab's got his tactics all wrong here.
Guptil struggled against tahir in his first over. So why try and get the 5th bowlers overs out the way when they need to pick wickets up
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Both sides trying their hardest not to win this now.
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Great game so far, really there to be won for either side.
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SA probably regretting picking philander ahead of Abbott.
Nz just need to play off tahir and morkel' overs and they've won this game easily. Pressure seems to have to steyn and philander
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Massive massive choke there from AB! What a miss!
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Great game. SA need both these guys out to win.
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if he run out lash up proves decisive we could get the classic steve Waugh quotes out
''mate,you just dropped the world cup'
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Morkel' been brilliant all night. Really good over and anderson falls!
Still nz's game to lose!
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What a game this has turned out to be!!
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Great game
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Great win. great choke.
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What a finish! Has to be one of the best games ever!
How many times did SA choke that?? 3 by my count. 2 easy run outs missed.
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Awesome finish! Unlucky SA yet another dissapointing World Cup for them
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Destiny has been written for South Africa, we aren't meant to ever win this damn cup...
Congrats Kiwis.
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Sounds like someone just choked to death...
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What a game!
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Poor old Gerry...seems Steyn is simply a clubbie bowler like Anderson nowadays
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Great game of cricket that! Just how an ODI should be...
Raising an interesting point from earlier, I'd say that the D/L method got that one just about as perfectly right as it ever has. When you have two reasonably closely matched teams, I think it was thoroughly vindicated!
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Where's the World Cup predictions thread gone? Would be good to see if anyone's close to right so far
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Poor old Gerry...seems Steyn is simply a clubbie bowler like Anderson nowadays
We all know he is a sad troll, let him cry into his beer in peace without denigrating a fine cricketer who had a bad game! ;)
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Great game of cricket that! Just how an ODI should be...
Raising an interesting point from earlier, I'd say that the D/L method got that one just about as perfectly right as it ever has. When you have two reasonably closely matched teams, I think it was thoroughly vindicated!
On this occasion, yes - the match situation was "right" for the equation, in that South Africa had time to adjust their innings whilst gaining credit for the good position they were in. It does not always work that way.
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Damn it, wish I'd put some money on now! :(. (Not the Afghanistan bit though...)
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=33417.msg526361#msg526361 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=33417.msg526361#msg526361)
I predict England to screw up and not make it out of the group stage, Afghanistan will qualify.
Ireland will beat the West Indies and Zimbabwe.
Quinton De Kock's South Africa will choke on a semi again (sorry, couldn't resist!)
New Zealand will qualify for the final but fall short, the nearly men of the cricket World Cup.
Australia will win.
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Can't understand why South Africa persisted with Steyn. He's been (No Swearing Please) all WC should of played Abbot instead.
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Great advert for cricket, but if Philander and Steyn aren't fully fit, at least one of them shouldn't have played...
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Great game, not sure how this one can be labelled a choke though? SA were cruising to a massive score before the rain struck, it's not as though had it in their grasp and let it slip.
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missed easy run out, two fielders going for the same ball.
that's down to pressure. credit new Zealand they are a brilliant one day side
and eng v nz test series please please please don't anyone presuyme we are going to win
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and eng v nz test series please please please don't anyone presuyme we are going to win
Noone does, though the early season conditions (which the likes of Latham and Rutherford will not have seen much of) combined with key Kiwis coming over from the IPL two days aforehand will probabaly make it hard for McCullum to pull a series win out of the bag.
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Feel sorry for South Africa.
Does ICC dope test players after every match? They should check NZ guys for banned substances. Some of them are as athletic as Lance Armstrong.
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I'm going to Lords, expect England to win there due to the IPL issue and players arriving late. Either way should be a great day out
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297 in 43 overs is a big ask for anybody, let alone doing it against SA. NZ deserve to be in the final. SA played their part. Question marks over Steyn, unfit or finally succumbing to the wear and tear on his body?
Can't help feeling Aus v India will be an anti climax after the NZ game! I also suspect India might get wiped, nothing 2 months ago suggested they were any more capable of beating Aus than England. Apart from SA, India got a dream group - Pakistan and Windies were almost as bad as England, then it was just the minnows. Can't help feeling their run has been built on some soft games. Starc/Johnson will make a very different proposition.
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Here's one for our prediction crazy members.
Who do you think will be the Quater-finalists, Semi-finalist and Finalist.
Groups
Pool A Pool B
England South Africa
Australia India
Sri Lanka Pakistan
Bangladesh West Indies
New Zealand Zimbabwe
Afghanistan Ireland
Scotland United Arab Emirates
My Predictions for QF:
England, Australia, New Zealand, SriLanka, India, Pakistan, South Africa & West Indies
Note: Outside chance for Ireland & Afganistan at the expense of India, SriLanka or Pakistan.
My Predictions for SF:
England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa with an outside Chance for India or Pakistan at expense of England
Finals:
Australia vs New Zealand
Winner: Big gamble - New Zealand
So far I am pretty close, but as someone would say I also made the obvious choices ;) although both India and England's performances have come as a shock for me
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Best game of the tournament so far in my opinion, two very equally matched teams playing some great cricket (nice to see AB is human after all too!)
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I had a 5'ver on everything as it's happened so far.. only think different was I backed Eng to make it to the QF's rather than Bangledesh.. Obviously for a pay out I would have needed Aus to win later and then Aus to beat NZ int he final
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Aussies seem to have lost the mind games before this game has started with Clarke and Warner having to tell the Aussie public to come out and fill the SCG. A bit worried that this "home" game will have a bigger Indian crowd.
If it's the same pitch SL played SA in the QF, India will win this given how much it turned.
Doubt India are worried Johnson given he's not turned up all summer.
Toss might decide the match with all the rain
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Aussies seem to have lost the mind games before this game has started with Clarke and Warner having to tell the Aussie public to come out and fill the SCG. A bit worried that this "home" game will have a bigger Indian crowd.
If it's the same pitch SL played SA in the QF, India will win this given how much it turned.
Doubt India are worried Johnson given he's not turned up all summer.
Toss might decide the match with all the rain
Why would they not prepare a Australian wicket? (IE one suited to them). I think it's just accepted that there are so many indians in the different countries now that virtually any game involving India is filled up with their fans.
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Gutted :(
Well played NZ. Cracking game.
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What an awesome game both teams had chances to win and that makes it so much more exciting
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I'm going to Lords, expect England to win there due to the IPL issue and players arriving late. Either way should be a great day out
Remember this day when you wrote a ridiculous comment ;). We are going to wipe the floor with England. Boult and Southee on a green one and then BMac still carrying the WC in his suitcase will hit his 2nd 300.
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The poor squad selections eventually was the difference between heading to Melbourne and a flight back to Cape Town.
The decision not to select an adequate fifth bowler was exposed against both India and New Zealand. Still can't figure out how Ryan McLaren was jettisoned after 3 bad matches when he was South Africa's best ODI bowler from 2011-13.
Secondly the decision to back Quinton de Kock come hell or high water didn't pay off. Aged 22 he could've missed this world cup and come back for 2019. Morne van Wyk should've been Selected once Quinny's injury was so bad.
Thirdly the decision to take Berhardien and Parnell made no sense. An extra fast bowler like de Lange would've been a better move.
Steyn and Philander should leave the odi stuff and focus on Test cricket going forward. Kyle Abbott must be very stiff at missing out today.
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The poor squad selections eventually was the difference between heading to Melbourne and a flight back to Cape Town.
The decision not to select an adequate fifth bowler was exposed against both India and New Zealand. Still can't figure out how Ryan McLaren was jettisoned after 3 bad matches when he was South Africa's best ODI bowler from 2011-13.
Secondly the decision to back Quinton de Kock come hell or high water didn't pay off. Aged 22 he could've missed this world cup and come back for 2019. Morne van Wyk should've been Selected once Quinny's injury was so bad.
Thirdly the decision to take Berhardien and Parnell made no sense. An extra fast bowler like de Lange would've been a better move.
Steyn and Philander should leave the odi stuff and focus on Test cricket going forward. Kyle Abbott must be very stiff at missing out today.
Steyn has looked slow (compared to previously) for a while now unfortunately. It's a shame because he was a world class bowler when bowling in the low to mid 90's. He's slowing down to become a mid to high 80's man now so simply won't be the force
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Was it just me or was de kocks keeping brutal definitely towards the last few overs? Havnt seen him keep much but the byes he let through was criminal
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Steyn has looked slow (compared to previously) for a while now unfortunately. It's a shame because he was a world class bowler when bowling in the low to mid 90's. He's slowing down to become a mid to high 80's man now so simply won't be the force
Steyn's carrying a few issues but it doesn't help when Philander's injured(overweight) all the time. Steyn should retire from ODIs/T20s. de Lange/Rabada/Morris can play the short forms.
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Was it just me or was de kocks keeping brutal definitely towards the last few overs? Havnt seen him keep much but the byes he let through was criminal
His keeping isn't even as good as ABs
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His keeping isn't even as good as ABs
surely you'd rather not break AB though by making him keep wicket?? he's 31 with a broken body, he couldn't do it
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surely you'd rather not break AB though by making him keep wicket?? he's 31 with a broken body, he couldn't do it
Well no I don't want AB getting injured, but van Wyk should've been the wk ahead of QdK
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Well no I don't want AB getting injured, but van Wyk should've been the wk ahead of QdK
You loved de cock a week or so ago?
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You loved de cock a week or so ago?
And quinton too if I remember ;) (guffaw guffaw)
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You loved de cock a week or so ago?
QdK is a fantastic young player but it was clear he was in no form after he hurt his ankle. He should've been benched for the best of the team.
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still a fantastic game and one that highlights the WC. Best of all my Bet for New Zealand to win is still on!
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So the second semi final is later tonight/morning.
I've decided to call it 'Repeat or Revenge'. India ended Australia's 12 year reign as World Champions in 2011. Now it's Australia change to end India's reign.
Australia are 6-0 is World Cup semi finals.
Australia's only team decision will be Hazlewood's accuracy or Cummins pace. India will stick with the same XI.
Could be the losing captains final ODI.
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Wish I had a day off tomorrow so I could stay up and watch it! If it's half as good a game as the NZ SA semi it'll be worth staying up for
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Wish I had a day off tomorrow so I could stay up and watch it! If it's half as good a game as the NZ SA semi it'll be worth staying up for
I have sent out of office for tomorrow ;)
After staying all up tonight cannot go to work. Match starts 11:30 pm for us in USA - florida
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Why would they not prepare a Australian wicket? (IE one suited to them). I think it's just accepted that there are so many indians in the different countries now that virtually any game involving India is filled up with their fans.
Looks like it's going to be a typical Sydney wicket with spin. Bit hard to prepare a fast bouncy wicket with them using the same wicket as the SL vs SA game.
Think it will be the first time in Aus that a crowd will be 70% Indian. So not something the Aussies would have experienced at home.
Saying that, india have a poor record at the SCG
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Looking interesting. We won't know how good this score is until we see the Indian innings. With 310 or so to get, and Starc and Johnson having a go, this could really turn into squeaky bum time for both sides...
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Not sure we have enough here, hope we do. Regular wickets have cost us
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That cameo at the end from Mitch Johnson has given the Aussies a winning score. At one stage they looked like getting 360+. Australia should coast this one but if one side can chase this it will be India and no front line spinner for the aussies
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Yeah it was looking about 370 at one stage, runs on the board though and it will take a very good chase to get them.
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Australia's misfiring batting has left india will a small chance to chase this total. Warner, Finch, Clarke and Watson's form has be lacklustre.
Dhawan just been shelled by Haddin, has there ever been a batsmen who gets dropped so many times?
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Australia's misfiring batting has left india will a small chance to chase this total. Warner, Finch, Clarke and Watson's form has be lacklustre.
Dhawan just been shelled by Haddin, has there ever been a batsmen who gets dropped so many times?
de cock? not sure you can cast any stones.. Chokers
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Both openers lucky to survive early on a bit like finch.
Platform has now been set, could be a close one if one of these 2 go on. The Aussie attack looking a bit one dimensional with no front line spinner.
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A wicket or 5 would be handy here!! Are there any Australians at the SCG?
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de cock? not sure you can cast any stones.. Chokers
Shut up you idiot. Batting wasn't the problem it was the bowling.
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Dhawan nails one straight to Maxwell at deep point. 1/76 after 13 overs.
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Shut up you idiot. Batting wasn't the problem it was the bowling.
nibble nibble
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And that's probably the game there. Kohli goes
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nibble nibble
@Gerry SA @ProCricketer1982 Both of you stop it and discuss the world cup properly. On this occasion @ProCricketer1982 , you are trolling and if you want to maintain the moral high ground, you will stop, now.
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And that's probably the game there. Kohli goes
Indians hopes gone? Your fantasy hopes gone too?
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Johnson cleans up Rohit. India's dream crumbling. Australia will regain the world cup
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Hope India rally, but I'm thinking 220 is their ceiling tonight.
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All over, Dhoni is gone 231/7 98 off 33 needed to win.
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Bye Bye India. Predicted it a couple of days ago on this thread, Australia still too good for them.
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Bring on NZ! That was a strange run chase. When the required rate is up around 13 and your still chipping singles....
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Well batted Finchy good to see the pocket rocket back in the runs, well done Australia sets up a great final
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Hopefully will be a good final but think Australia at home will be too strong, also NZ have played at home for the last 6 months so been in a bit of a comfort zone.
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With players like Mcullum and Guptil in form I certainly won't be writing them off... I've said all along they are they side to beat
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Going to be a great spectacle it really is the two best sides playing each other.
Wish I was in Melbourne for the final.
Been a great world cup some great places and good games I have enjoyed it all battin friendly or not.
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yet another one sided game in this one sided world cup. India could have given up at over 20 in truth and the game become a bit pointless. I'll say even quite boring as the result was inevitable and there was nothing India could do baring a supernatural one in a million innings.
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With players like Mcullum and Guptil in form I certainly won't be writing them off... I've said all along they are they side to beat
It wont be remotely close. Heard an interesting stat today, something like 75% of NZ 6's wouldnt reach the fence at the MCG. Anything can happen on the day, but for NZ to have a chance they will have to be at 150% and also Australia will have to have a shocker. No one matches Australia for power and pace.
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To go with the one sided cup, I think it'll be one sided in the final (bulled up by hype and the commentators during teh game of course)
NZ will fail to beat Aus at home, away from where theball is moving
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AUS will clean NZ's clock in the final. AUS has better batting depth and equally good bowling PLUS final will be played in a proper cricket ground and not chicken poop coop sized fields of NZ.
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Against that, NZ have the choke factor on their side - they are the overacheivers whereas the whole of Australia expects the greenies to win.
I wouldn't want to put too much more than the fiver I already have on them to win, but I don't see if being a walk over - especially when the toss has proved so crucial throughout this tournament.
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Rooting for NZ to win the finals. Their batting has improved and almost everyone has contributed from top 7.
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Won't be a home crowd to cheer NZ on. They nearly choked against Aus last time, but I expect the MCG wicket to favour Aus. Hope it's a great final that goes down to the wire.
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Really, chokers?
Why so much negativity to the boys in black all of a sudden?
You're telling me that because we play on smaller grounds that the Aussie batsman somehow hit it further than our boys? Good luck anyone hitting it further than Guptil and Anderson.
I have no doubts that NZ are going to have to play out of their skins but saying that Aussie will have to have a "shocker" is a bit stiff.
NZ have won 3 of their last 5 at the MCG.
I'm stoked the boys made the final (Plus destroying England on the way), anything else is a bonus.
I'm predicting a 100 from McCullum off 3 balls and 9 for 0 from Boult.
Go the Black Caps!!!
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AUS will clean NZ's clock in the final. AUS has better batting depth and equally good bowling PLUS final will be played in a proper cricket ground and not chicken poop coop sized fields of NZ.
Better batting depth? Laughable. Ha ha ha....haha ...ha ha.
Warner awesome, Smith amazing form, Maxwell X factor. Rest...(No swearing please).
Stark awesome, Johnson X factor. Rest...(No swearing please)
Ground...Agreed.... Although https://www.facebook.com/kiwi.co.nz/photos/a.505132569513787.134061.505124239514620/1088563007837404/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/kiwi.co.nz/photos/a.505132569513787.134061.505124239514620/1088563007837404/?type=1&theater)
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Better batting depth? Laughable. Ha ha ha....haha ...ha ha.
Warner awesome, Smith amazing form, Maxwell X factor. Rest...(No swearing please).
Stark awesome, Johnson X factor. Rest...(No swearing please)
Ground...Agreed.... Although https://www.facebook.com/kiwi.co.nz/photos/a.505132569513787.134061.505124239514620/1088563007837404/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/kiwi.co.nz/photos/a.505132569513787.134061.505124239514620/1088563007837404/?type=1&theater)
You are funny. :D
Yes, AUS has better batting. And they haven't been their best yet in this tourney. NZ has peaked.
Laugh all you want but AUS will take this one.
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Funnily enough I had a go at making my own image like that before seeing that one. I came up with this :
(https://i.gyazo.com/3bb37bed62a2c8d5362acfcd12970092.png)
Shows the largest possible rounded boundaries by my google maps and paint skills at :
Red - MCG
Orange - Wellington
Yellow - Eden Park
Can't guarantee accuracy (westpac a slightly longer possible straight boundary than the MCG ????) but I think I've got the pitch the right way around in this one for them all compared to to the other.
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You are funny. :D
Yes, AUS has better batting. And they haven't been their best yet in this tourney. NZ has peaked.
Laugh all you want but AUS will take this one.
Interested to see your man for man "better" players during this WC?
I'll be belly laughing when we win. Then we will hold the Rugby WC, League WC, Cricket WC, National Basketball title etc etc. Sigh, the Warriors will never win a title.
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No negativity from me around the black cats they have been doing the right things for a long time under Mc and there in the final because there one of the two best sides in the world and hughley entertaining throughout the World Cup and Sri lanka series
Granted Australia pretty handy two but I think it a close game and rightly so I hope it is the best going at each other.
Be good for vettori to sign off with a win good luck both sides
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Interested to see your man for man "better" players during this WC?
I'll be belly laughing when we win. Then we will hold the Rugby WC, League WC, Cricket WC, National Basketball title etc etc. Sigh, the Warriors will never win a title.
And,if you lose? Will you cry?
Not sure what is Narional Basketball but never seen a team from New Zealand in the NBA or even doing well in the Olympics for that matter.
NZ luck will run out tomorrow.
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Tomorrow's final to be michael Clarkes last in one dayers for Australia
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And,if you lose? Will you cry?
Not sure what is Narional Basketball but never seen a team from New Zealand in the NBA or even doing well in the Olympics for that matter.
NZ luck will run out tomorrow.
Most probably ball my eyes out! :(
The Basketball competition set up by Australia for Australia, that a Kiwi team won! You've probably never seen any team in the NBA apart from US sides because they're any. Olympics? Really?
Looking forward to schooling the Aussies in yet another sport, stick to swimming.
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Most probably ball my eyes out! :(
The Basketball competition set up by Australia for Australia, that a Kiwi team won! You've probably never seen any team in the NBA apart from US sides because they're any. Olympics? Really?
Looking forward to schooling the Aussies in yet another sport, stick to swimming.
Mate, we suck at swimming these days too!!
Should be a cracking game tomorrow, NZ a real chance I feel, I think it will be closer than some think, but looking forward to an Aus victory :)
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Tomorrow's final to be michael Clarkes last in one dayers for Australia
I am going to miss Clarkey! I missed him when he got injured and stopped playing Test matches. :(
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Most probably ball my eyes out! :(
The Basketball competition set up by Australia for Australia, that a Kiwi team won! You've probably never seen any team in the NBA apart from US sides because they're any. Olympics? Really?
Looking forward to schooling the Aussies in yet another sport, stick to swimming.
Hahahaha.
@potzy248 , you is funny. :D
We will see tomorrow.
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For me the dice are loaded in Australia's favour for the final. Home town advantage. Michael Clarke's 245th and final ODI. And most importantly they'll want to win it for Phillip Hughes(Clarke still wears a black arm band for his little brother).
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I agree with you there Gerry. I am just hoping it is a good game and not a one sided affair. It is stacked up to be a really good match between two firing sides - I just hope it lives up to the billing.
There is a rather sobering article in this morning's Sydney Morning Herald for how much it might cost to watch at the MCG, if you are not a resident of Melbourne:
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/cricket-world-cup-2015-how-much-will-it-cost-to-get-to-the-world-cup-final-on-sunday-20150328-1m9vuo.html (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/cricket-world-cup-2015-how-much-will-it-cost-to-get-to-the-world-cup-final-on-sunday-20150328-1m9vuo.html)
Makes a train to a regional game in the UK not seem so bad once flights, etc are counted. As before, just hoping everyone (especially those that have paid to go to Melbourne) get to see a really good match. Good luck to both teams!
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:( The stomach is starting to churn already, hopefully this is a better watching experience the the RWC final otherwise it's going to be 8 hours of torture via tension, either way I'll be a wreck at the end of it.
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:( The stomach is starting to churn already, hopefully this is a better watching experience the the RWC final otherwise it's going to be 8 hours of torture via tension, either way I'll be a wreck at the end of it.
aus will win easily, one sided world cup will be no different int eh final
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Well, it's nearly time!!
The BBQ is clean, grass is mown, snags and lamb chops are just begging to be cooked, and most importantly, the beer is on ice!!!
COME ON AUSTRALIA!!!!!!
http://youtu.be/2qJLi5y2d2w (http://youtu.be/2qJLi5y2d2w)
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I don't think most Aussies would mind if NZ beat us, England was humiliated and India's exit after constant talk of how good they are despite being beaten all summer means an Aussie win is just icing on the cake. Just hope it's a close game either way.
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What's McCullum thinking? It's all well and good being attacking but far out you can have a few sighters....
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What's McCullum thinking? It's all well and good being attacking but far out you can have a few sighters....
I'm with you. It's fine biffing players like Broad etc as they are second rate bowling but Starc... first up?? oh well, Aus to win was certain anyway and now it's a formality.
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Guptill out in an ugly, nothing sort of shot way too. Wow.
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Williamson follows soon after.
so far. All aus.
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one way traffic.. who'd have guessed
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Eliott looking good. Taylor and Eliott rebuilding what's been a disastrous start by NZ.
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This is not a good sign for AUS ... Eliott is settling down.
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If the Kiwis get 260-270 they'll have a decent chance to pile the pressure on Australia's batsmen. Much depends on Elliott and Taylor's ongoing partnership and what Anderson/Ronchi can smash in the final 10 overs.
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Australian Chase will be successful if they aim for a slow start and not try to be quick like New Zealand. McCollum should've surprised Australia my starting slow instead of rushing down Mitchell Starc like a lunatic. This is a pressure game as it is. Why make things difficult for yourself by rushing things?.
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Clarkey, what's up? Get a short third man when Watson bowls to Elliot.
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Just lulling you into a false sense of security. Make them pay for their arrogance boys.
Vettori 5 for in his last game.
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one way traffic.. who'd have guessed
You're a positive lad. You must be a barrel of laughs in your team huddles.
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You're a positive lad. You must be a barrel of laughs in your team huddles.
no point lying about it and making things out to be great when they won't be! Nothing wrong with being positive but there is a difference between being deluded.
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WTF is Giles Clarke doing there!! He is a complete waste of oxygen
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I'm predicting a 100 from McCullum off 3 balls and 9 for 0 from Boult.
Go the Black Caps!!!
:)
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no point lying about it and making things out to be great when they won't be! Nothing wrong with being positive but there is a difference between being deluded.
Definition of Arrogance.
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Just lulling you into a false sense of security. Make them pay for their arrogance boys.
Vettori 5 for in his last game.
Anything over 240 will be a tough chase for AUS. NZ still has a chance.
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Jimmy Faulkner gets both Taylor and Anderson in the first three balls of the PP.
Luke Ronchi enters to a chorus of boos
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What did Ronchi do to deserve those boos?
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What did Ronchi do to deserve those boos?
He played odi cricket for Australia before switching to nz.
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Probably because he played for Australia before playing for NZ
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You're a positive lad. You must be a barrel of laughs in your team huddles.
he's a definite glass half empty kind off guy.
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Starc the leading wicket taker with 22 poles. He's snagged Ronchi for 0. PP horror show for NZ
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He played odi cricket for Australia before switching to nz.
That is just rowng (southern accent)!!!! He is lucky they didn't throw rotten eggs and tomatoes on him!
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What's up with these ducks by kiwis, they are all in a hurry to go back to the pav! Stick around guys, play out your 50 overs. Sheesh.
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Be good to see Elliot's wagon wheel - seems like 90% of his runs have been run down to third man!
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What's with the stats the commentators bleet on about that mean nothing.
Apparently faulkner is a great power play bowler as 32% of his wickets come in the power play.
Firstly 32% isn't a great percentage.
Add to that a power play is 30% of a game.
That means 68% off his wickets come in the non power play overs. 70% of the game.
Which means at best, He merely takes his wickets at the same rate regardless.
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Elliott survives a very close DRS LBW shout. Probably deserved that as he's been a class part thus far.
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What's with the stats the commentators bleet on about that mean nothing.
Apparently faulkner is a great power play bowler as 32% of his wickets come in the power play.
Firstly 32% isn't a great percentage.
Add to that a power play is 30% of a game.
That means 68% off his wickets come in the non power play overs. 70% of the game.
Which means at best, He merely takes his wickets at the same rate regardless.
just stats for stats sake. Makes TV better, gives talking points and takes up a few seconds air time
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Mitchell Johnson cleans up Dan Vettori. Australia into the rats and mice now
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8/171 Faulkner gets Elliott.
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australia sledging way too much, it's not good to see and isn't needed. Elliot has played well and there was no need for a 'send off'.
utterly disgraceful by Australia, needs stamping out the game.
not sure I'd say Faulkner gets elliot.. more elliot tried to slog it and nicked it. his own fault
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All he had to do was tuk-tuk his way to 50 overs!
O'Misbah, where art thou?
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australia sledging way too much, it's not good to see and isn't needed. Elliot has played well and there was no need for a 'send off'.
utterly disgraceful by Australia, needs stamping out the game.
not sure I'd say Faulkner gets elliot.. more elliot tried to slog it and nicked it. his own fault
I am tired of sledging, immature kindergarten behavior!
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9/182. Johnson gets Henry for 0.
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These are bad shots not necessarily good bowling!
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Oh well, runs on the board?
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Tuk-tuk!
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top fielding big show
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183 all out. Glenn Maxwell with an incredible run out to close the show.
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All AUS has to do is play out the overs and the WC is theirs!
@potzy248 , what the hell did kiwis do brah! Wussap!
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australia sledging way too much, it's not good to see and isn't needed. Elliot has played well and there was no need for a 'send off'.
utterly disgraceful by Australia, needs stamping out the game.
not sure I'd say Faulkner gets elliot.. more elliot tried to slog it and nicked it. his own fault
Why single out Australia for sledging? Short memory when England were at the top of their game for that short period... There were some of the biggest ledgers in the game in the England team.
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Why single out Australia for sledging? Short memory when England were at the top of their game for that short period... There were some of the biggest ledgers in the game in the England team.
nope, I said it about them too. It's just not required in the game, by anyone
and I'm saying it now because they were aweful in todays game so far, just look at haddin to guptil when he got out? elliot etc etc.. it's just not needed. Doesn't make you more intense, more competitive or anything. you can be just as intense, competitive etc without it.
WC final, supposed to be up there as one of the greatest days in int cricket and we've seen players act like that. All those kids and players on a saturday will go out and copy it and act like utter morons
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All AUS has to do is play out the overs and the WC is theirs!
@potzy248 , what the hell did kiwis do brah! Wussap!
no need to 'go hard'.. Just dig in, see off boult and southee and milk it.
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I'm sure Faulkner said "Well batted" to Elliot ;) when he got him out with another well disguised slower ball
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ESPN did a segment on sledging with Isa Guha, Ajit Agarkar, Ian Chappell and Mikey Holding. And, the consensus is that it is not needed and dangerous. Ian posits that an "out" batsman is angry and has a bat in his hands. Things could escalate.
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Is that a bow I notice in Finch's bat.
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Who knows. We can ring him now and ask. Lol
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If Finch were wearing Aero P1 leg guards, that deflection would not have bounced so high and he would be winning the CWC. I keep telling people that looks could get you out.
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Aside from the match against England, Tim Southee has been rather ordinary.
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Seduced by the bounce. They are starting to bowl too short.
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That bat must be Clarkes favourite that kingsgrove repaired for him. Unless the middles on all his bats are blown out like that.
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I did notice in a photo not long ago that it looked like he was still using that one. Couldn't believe it would last that long. Kind of like that one Tendulkar used to have.
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Michael Clarke's magnificent limited overs career comes to an end with a brilliant 74. A few tears in his eyes as he leaves the field.
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Steven Smith hits the winning runs and Australia regain their world championship. 4th in 5 world cups and 5th overall.
The curtain comes down on Clarke's ODI career, but most importantly the trophy goes up. Roll on 2019.
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Great knock by Clarke!
My faith in Yorkers is restored again.
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Starc is the MOT!!! A bowler is the MOT! Long live fast bowling, long live fast bowlers!
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Is Gerry A now Australian ?
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Is Gerry A now Australian ?
Who rocked your cage?
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I'm sure Faulkner said "Well batted" to Elliot ;) when he got him out with another well disguised slower ball
Yep.
And I am sure Elliott replied "thanks mate".