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Equipment => Bats => Bat Care => Topic started by: WalkingWicket37 on February 14, 2015, 08:42:15 PM
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Evening all
Following a post on here about over oiling, there was a suggestion from @smilley792 to oil a bat every day for 2 weeks and see what the result was.
That gave me an idea to get hold of a broken bat and try this. I got hold of a bat and have just finished sanding the face back to one colour (big thanks to @joeljonno for providing the bat).
Anyway, the pictures should be fairly self explanatory, one broken bat divided into sections, a bottle of linseed oil and in two weeks time I'll attack it with a saw!
P.S any suggestions for the final section? I'm thinking a coat of bat wax buffed off after 1 hour (applied properly in other words!)
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Sounds like a great experiment to me. Just out of interest what was the bat like before it was broken, Grade 1? (Grains look nice).
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No idea on the official grading mate, got it in it's broken state specifically to hack up.
If you ignore half the back being gone it taps up very nicely, and ,as you say, the grains look nice
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ok myth-buster. If oiling the bat seals it surely subsequent oiling wont sink in. I'm just posing hypothetical questions. If you over soak it first time before its sealed it should sink in.
PS i don't bother anymore. I just bat wax them with my own home made Poo. All bat myths are mumbo jumbo and voodoo majik, which off course doesn't mean they are not true or don't work.
Good luck will follow with interest.
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ok myth-buster. If oiling the bat seals it surely subsequent oiling wont sink in. I'm just posing hypothetical questions. If you over soak it first time before its sealed it should sink in.
PS i don't bother anymore. I just bat wax them with my own home made Poo. All bat myths are mumbo jumbo and voodoo majik, which off course doesn't mean they are not true or don't work.
Good luck will follow with interest.
That's exactly what i'm expecting to happen, I'm guessing 2-3mm of penetration into the wood at most, with the only noticeable difference being the colour the willow goes!
Oil will soften the willow fibres, so a bat with more oil applied when new will hypothetically need more knocking in to get it "ready to play" than one with fewer coats of oil applied. Unless you manage to apply to enough to rot the willow I doubt over oiling will ever be a real issue (except the possibility a scuff sheet won't stick)
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Was a V100 Select - Waugh Zone. Top bat when I had hit. Went big a lot of the time.
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Not sure if it even penetrates that far. Even an old bat that's been oiled for years. A couple of passes with a sander reveals almost virgin wood. Mind I did see a Millichamp video where he cut an over oiled bat in half that seemed to show the oil penetrating quite far.
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We'll find out in two weeks! :D
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Great idea the results will be interesting to see
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I'm looking forward to the results of this.
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Great effort dude...looking forward to end results.
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All this will show is how deep the oil penetrates if a lot is applied. It doesn't demonstrate the impact on performance of the bat, if there is one!
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Interesting idea Cam. Look forward to seeing what the result is
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All this will show is how deep the oil penetrates if a lot is applied. It doesn't demonstrate the impact on performance of the bat, if there is one!
Do you think that the bat/willow keeps absorbing the oil if applied constantly? I suspect that willow reaches an equilibrium and stop absorbing oil after certain amount. Naturally, that point of equilibrium would vary depending on different trees.
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Three day update!
The no oil, one coat, 3 coats and bat wax applied properly are now complete. These are the widely used methods I'd guess.
Will be interesting to compare the "properly oiled" sections to the "over oiled" sections when it's done.
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Well that's 2 weeks gone!
The bat will be cut open somewhen later today to see how far the oil and wax has penetrated.
Here is what it currently looks like
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Some spillage? Or is that extra oil being leeched to the dry areas of the bat?
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That was the every day for 2 weeks not soaking in
The tape did its job and kept it off the other oiled sections though
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Looking forward to the chopping!
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Saw it. Chopping will only end in tears [emoji6]
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This is a brilliant idea, nice one mate.
Why don't you tap it up or hit a few balls with it before you destroy it?
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This is a brilliant idea, nice one mate.
Why don't you tap it up or hit a few balls with it before you destroy it?
I may open up a whole new can of worms here. But if you tap it up and notice difference in performance in different amounts of oils.
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I was rather hoping for a chainsaw....
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And done
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No oil
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(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/81F61F00-2A66-4F8B-A244-610C95A614F3_zpskky73ygg.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/81F61F00-2A66-4F8B-A244-610C95A614F3_zpskky73ygg.jpg.html)
One coat of oil
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Three coats of oil
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Oiled every day for a week
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Oiled every day for two weeks
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Bat wax applied properly
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Bat wax left for two weeks
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Observations
There isn't a lot of difference between a coat of oil, 3 coats of oil or bat wax applied properly.
If you oil every day for a week the bat still absorbs all the oil.
It wasn't until 10 days the oil stopped soaking in.
The conclusion
If you apply bat oil or bat wax sensibly overoiling will not be an issue.
Yes, if you apply a thick coat every day for a week it will penetrate a bit further into the timber, but who does that?
In short when you get a new bat you can apply 3 generous coats of oil without a worry.
I have too much time on my hands.
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I think what's most surprising there is that the incorrectly applied bat wax seems to have penetrated the deepest.
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When we were kids a mates dad bought a new bat and to oil it he got a small drill and drilled a hole in the toe and then got a small funnel and filled that with oil and left it standing on the end of the handle while the oil slowly seeped into the bat over the period of a few weeks.
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Great experiment @WalkingWicket37 !
So, my question is how does the varying absorption of oil impact performance of the bat? Longevity?
What is the best approach?
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New experiment.
7 bats. Do the same again. But on individual bats.
Then use each bat in a preliminary net and game each. And report on instant ping ability.
Next up have 2 hr bowling machine with each bat.
Report if ping lasts. And if damage starts occurring.
Repeat until bats ruined and report how long it takes before said bats lose ping and then become ruined/unusable.
Go.
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We could dream up loads of new experiments here
Maybe you could get Gray Nichols, GM, Kookaburra to pay you for crazy research
I'd quit my job and help, we'd play cricket everyday, travel the world.... This is going too far
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Russ is right. You need to travel.
Your southern location may have effected results. You need to do one in the north. Then one in aus, nz, India. ..etc etc
And report if any differences
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I think what's most surprising there is that the incorrectly applied bat wax seems to have penetrated the deepest.
Exactly what I was thinking, it doesn't seem to make sense but the data don't lie.
Nice job OP, we can now oil our bats in peace!
We need more experiments like this and Tim's bat density vs performance test to dispel myths created through hearsay.
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I wonder what effects oiling has on knocking in.
At what stage is it best to apply the hammer? Before, during or after? If so after, how long after?
What have you guys experienced?
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Oil, let the oil soak in/dry thoroughly then knock in.
The oiling process will slightly soften the fibres, so if you knock then oil, you'd effectively "undo" some of the process.
And always let the oil dry, I got over excited and tried knocking on a new bat with the oil applied 45 minutes before. It could be a coincidence, but that's the only time I've ever cracked an edge knocking in, and I'm convinced it was because the oil was still wet and has softened the willow.
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I wonder what effects oiling has on knocking in.
At what stage is it best to apply the hammer? Before, during or after? If so after, how long after?
What have you guys experienced?
Always allow the oil to soak in untill the blade feels touch dry plus another couple of days prior to knocking in.
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All this will show is how deep the oil penetrates if a lot is applied. It doesn't demonstrate the impact on performance of the bat, if there is one!
Over oiling clogs fibres and kills bats.
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Over oiling clogs fibres and kills bats.
this demonstration doesn't do anything to prove or disprove that though....
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