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Title: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 12, 2015, 08:37:14 PM
Can someone explain the logic behind the following league changes

http://www.somersetcricketboard.co.uk/sites/default/files/attachments/gccl_restructure_process.pdf (http://www.somersetcricketboard.co.uk/sites/default/files/attachments/gccl_restructure_process.pdf)


so in theory, you could be in the wepl, come last in wepl and where as you should go down to div 1 of a county league, you could end up dropping to div 2 of the county league.. even though as it stands you are 'better' than those in div 1... seems messed up!1

why not just demote all those in the county league and move wepl clubs down??
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: jwebber86 on March 12, 2015, 08:42:50 PM
i was netting with some guys from minehead last week and they were on about this.

they couldn't understand the logic behind and because they play 2XI it worked in an even more ridiculous way.

it doesnt cut down on their traveling to games just saves clubs from bristol and such having to tracel to minehead once in the season
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 12, 2015, 08:45:37 PM
i was netting with some guys from minehead last week and they were on about this.

they couldn't understand the logic behind and because they play 2XI it worked in an even more ridiculous way.

it doesnt cut down on their traveling to games just saves clubs from bristol and such having to tracel to minehead once in the season

 it does cut travel in fairness, maybe the odd random miles away club it doesnt.
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: jwebber86 on March 12, 2015, 08:48:44 PM
they didnt think it would from minehead but it sounded like it would for most clubs.

i think minehead are one of the odd random clubs
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: thecord on March 12, 2015, 09:42:32 PM
30 teams estimated to come down into the Bristol league so is going to be even more shuffling of the pack round my way
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 12, 2015, 09:50:23 PM
reading it. For the 1's you simply need to not get relegated, anything else is irrelevant. the 2's however, if they win their league they'll get into Gloucester league 3.. if they come 2nd to last.... div 5.

so, that seems to me that if the club is sensible they'll basically strengthen the 2's for a season and just do the 1's enough to not get relegated.. that just feels wrong
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: thecord on March 12, 2015, 10:09:00 PM
If the 1s win their league though do they end up in a higher division still though?
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 12, 2015, 11:01:29 PM
If the 1s win their league though do they end up in a higher division still though?

yes they would but given one team in that div has gone out and brought in about 4 paid players to ensure promotion that is about as likely as england winning the world cup
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: thecord on March 12, 2015, 11:31:39 PM
yes they would but given one team in that div has gone out and brought in about 4 paid players to ensure promotion that is about as likely as england winning the world cup

Oh right well yea you're probably right then, lots of tactical strengthening if twos likely
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: ianbuchanan on March 13, 2015, 04:41:30 AM
I play for Minehead, and we are one of the 'one-off' clubs in the middle of nowhere! the travelling is a bit of a nightmare, our nearest away game this year is an hour and a half away. So hopefully the restructure will reduce it, but I'd rather travel an extra half hour every fortnight to be playing a better standard on better grounds.

And the extra half hour on the bus journey home is another 3-4 beers 😉
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: edge on March 13, 2015, 08:49:36 AM
Well that makes the Bristol equivalent of that document look very simple! Think they're doing it differently here.
Seems a reasonable idea to me that the leagues should be promotion/relegation all the way down, clearly the rearrange is impossible to keep everyone happy though. Means mine and @thecord 's clubs look like going from div 1 to new div 3 or 5 depending on results next season though, so a lot riding on where you come in the league!
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 13, 2015, 09:54:13 AM
Well that makes the Bristol equivalent of that document look very simple! Think they're doing it differently here.
Seems a reasonable idea to me that the leagues should be promotion/relegation all the way down, clearly the rearrange is impossible to keep everyone happy though. Means mine and @thecord 's clubs look like going from div 1 to new div 3 or 5 depending on results next season though, so a lot riding on where you come in the league!

linear is far better than having the silly 2nd xi divisions I do agree.

not sure I agree that extra travel is a good thing Ian. Only good for the keen ones or ones who don't drive which is a small % of the playing community.
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: Manormanic on March 13, 2015, 12:02:24 PM
Wow, that is one confusing structure!
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 13, 2015, 12:22:33 PM
Wow, that is one confusing structure!

Very much so mate
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: Gurujames on March 13, 2015, 12:44:58 PM
It is confusing but I remember reading that it had something to do with WEPL club's second XI's. Some were forced to be in the 2nd XI division when some weren't up to it. I am probably wrong though. we are in div. 4 so not too concerned. I think so long as we finish higher than the bottom 4 we will stay in that division. Probably wrong about that too. In any case it is still preferable to the West Somerset League in my opinion.
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: thecord on March 13, 2015, 02:02:51 PM
It is confusing but I remember reading that it had something to do with WEPL club's second XI's. Some were forced to be in the 2nd XI division when some weren't up to it. I am probably wrong though. we are in div. 4 so not too concerned. I think so long as we finish higher than the bottom 4 we will stay in that division. Probably wrong about that too. In any case it is still preferable to the West Somerset League in my opinion.

What club's that @Gurujames ?
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2015, 02:04:49 PM
In any case it is still preferable to the West Somerset League in my opinion.

its the greatest league ever.

my village team will be part taking in division 5 for the first time ever this season. could be a while until the restructuring affects us
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: Gurujames on March 13, 2015, 02:19:07 PM
What club's that @Gurujames ?
Trull.
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: Gurujames on March 13, 2015, 02:20:33 PM
its the greatest league ever.

my village team will be part taking in division 5 for the first time ever this season. could be a while until the restructuring affects us
I have heard loads of people call it the 'farmers league'. I have no idea what they are talking about
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2015, 02:23:03 PM
I prefer to call it a village league.

Were you at Trull when they took part in the league?
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: Gurujames on March 13, 2015, 02:41:10 PM
I prefer to call it a village league.

Were you at Trull when they took part in the league?
I played a few games. In particular when Sampford Arundel spanked off 480 in their 40 overs against us. Thankfully I'm not a bowler. We beat them in the return fixture though
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 13, 2015, 02:41:55 PM
its the greatest league ever.

my village team will be part taking in division 5 for the first time ever this season. could be a while until the restructuring affects us

Not really, you might find yourselves dropped back into your feeder leagues with all the 1st xi's and 2nd xi's dropping into the county leagues
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2015, 02:49:01 PM
Not really, you might find yourselves dropped back into your feeder leagues with all the 1st xi's and 2nd xi's dropping into the county leagues
I meant we are in the west somerset league division 5
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: Gurujames on March 13, 2015, 02:54:52 PM
Out of interest why didn't you join the somerset league?
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on March 13, 2015, 03:01:37 PM
I meant we are in the west somerset league division 5
does that feed the zummerset main league?

Where does your die one winner go?
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: jwebber86 on March 13, 2015, 03:04:32 PM
We are very village and not that good at 40 over cricket. West somerset league is probably a lower standard so we went with that.

In recent years some of the winners have gone to the Somerset league as its a better standard but it's not a feeder league
Title: Re: Messed up League re-structure
Post by: spoonbed on March 13, 2015, 03:32:08 PM
From a purely selfish point of view, it should make for some nice grounds to visit in the B&D