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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: WalkingWicket37 on March 23, 2015, 11:48:50 AM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/31917568 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/31917568)
What do we all think then?
Cook's poor run seems to go on.
Has Lyth batted himself into the openers slot for the West Indies series?
Can we get Arnie out of retirement?
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I see Cook has continued his impressive form with the bat. At what point then does he become a selection worry for the test side??? or does he get years again like he did in the ODI? shame for Compton not getting some runs to show Cook up :(
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It was less the poor form more the ease that a medium pace left arm bowler trapped Cook on the crease early on.
There are one or two rather than faster left arm bowlers traveling over this summer who like to bowl a full length... Cook is going to really struggle.
As for his place - I think he has the whole summer and after we lose the Ashes he will have to step down as captain
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not sure we are going to lose the Ashes Buzz?
im still optimistic(deluded?) we can hold it together on the field as the whole Eastenders cast(the whole admisinstation etc) collapses in a heap
:)
Lyth 92 no-this gut MUST get a chance to open with Cook otherwise scrap the 18 counties and let's all watch the football
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Great to see Mitch getting runs again!!
Would love to see him in the England team
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Ton up for Lyth
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not sure we are going to lose the Ashes Buzz?
im still optimistic(deluded?) we can hold it together on the field as the whole Eastenders cast(the whole admisinstation etc) collapses in a heap
:)
Lyth 92 no-this gut MUST get a chance to open with Cook otherwise scrap the 18 counties and let's all watch the football
I played golf against the County Cricketers golf society yesterday - there were a few guys "Inside cricket" playing against us and it is reasonable to say I took a totally different view to them on a number of issues... My pessimism is well founded.
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Just seen Compton is captain, I hope he's got Cook doing fine leg to fine leg! ;)
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Said it before, will say it again - if Lyth does not open in the West Indies there is something wong in the state of Denmark (aka Lords)
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I think the Ashes will be close this time-not much between the sides I can see
Yorkshire have another guy,a bit younger, Alex Lees-he looks like the business too.
One of the reason I would not of taken Trott is because there is no space.Straussy said on the telly England will play him once they deceided to take him-if that's right then either the whole batting order gets re-jigged or Lyth goes as the reserve-which would be massively unfair.
I don't suppose the new Chairman of the ECB might chip in with some selection advise
:)
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cookie out cheap again.
not sure when a bad run becomes a slump. I like Cook but he's having a shocker,and fail in the west indies and the knives will really be out
if it was a club game we would say hit your way out of it right?
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Difficult isn't it - there is a lot about Cook the test player to like - the concentration, the ability against the short ball etc - but the fact is that bowlers have completely worked him out by now - they can more or less bowl half volleys at him with impugnity and anything that shapes back to the pads is becoming a secondary flaw.
Problem is, if dropped, thats more or less him finished. That being the case, the selectors will want to give him absolutely every conceiveable chance.
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Problem is, if dropped, thats more or less him finished. That being the case, the selectors will want to give him absolutely every conceiveable chance.
He is only 30 - if he is dropped I don't see him being finished at all.
I don't see him getting dropped however.
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He is only 30 - if he is dropped I don't see him being finished at all.
I don't see him getting dropped however.
Not until after another Ashes defeat anyway... :-[
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yeah im not so sure either Buzz. If he's dropped he's effective lost one day and test captaincy and his place. I think it would be very hard to come back.
he was never going to keep up the superman stuff from a couple of years ago, but it's totally barren at the moment-he's not getting to 20 or 30....
and there are other waiting. Lyth,trott etc.....
I hope he comes out of it soon, his record is still incredible for someone just 30...
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He is only 30 - if he is dropped I don't see him being finished at all.
Really?
If he is dropped, it is because he has been so thoroughly worked out and worked over that they cannot possibly keep him. He has not shown thus far the ability to amend his technique to find ways of scoring off full, straight bowling, so it is hard to believe that any amount of runs that he may hypothetically score in division 2 would justify a recall. Quite aside from that, he is struggling because he is mentally beaten down by the demands of the job and of facing bowlers when he knows that they have the wood on him - very few players come back from that, even before you consider the fact that ex-captains other than short termers have more or less no shelf life in the England side (this century you have Hussain for, what, ten months followed by Vaughan for no tests and Strauss for, erm, no tests)
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The chances of Cook being dropped are about as high as me pulling a rabbit out of my (No Swearing Please).
He's got an excellent record and tbh, people have known where to bowl to him for years, he's been a test cricketer for the best part of a decade, and if we're able to work out how people should bowl at him, chances are international cricketers with all their video analysis ect, worked it out years ago. Yet still he churned out the runs, and he will again, he hasn't become a bad player.
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whilst to an extent I agree with you - Hussain was only playing because he wanted 100 caps and Vaughan's knees were bust
Strauss, well I am not sure, but I think he had achieved all he was going to achieve and I wonder if the will to continue finished him rather than the bowlers. The impact of dealing with a feuding dressing room (not just KP) was a key factor too.
Either way, Cook's terrible trigger movement means his head is out of alignment so he would have to do a full Mark Butcher and re-build his technique from scratch.
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Cook is finished. mentally shot and now is under so much pressure on all fronts. he's been found out, AND seems powerless to resolve it. if he cant smash big tons vs a poor wi then get the next cab off the rank in. no loyalty at pro lvl, you arent performing then you should go
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that's a bit harsh, Guptill would of been dropped before the world cup by those rules...
he is a bad run and Buzz is right, his head is not going to the right place-I can work out why he cant fix it after virtually a winter off. Ive adjusted my technique in the nets(back and across rather than forward)-felt a bit odd first couple of weeks but now it feels fine.
With his record you surely have to give him more time? yes no one is gifted an England shirt but he has the most tons for us in recent years(ever maybe) that's got to buy him some time.
I think you are right on one thing thou, the mental pressure he is under recently is taking it's toll. He seems a tough cookie but maybe the outburst against the selectors the other was telling
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that's a bit harsh, Guptill would of been dropped before the world cup by those rules...
he is a bad run and Buzz is right, his head is not going to the right place-I can work out why he cant fix it after virtually a winter off. Ive adjusted my technique in the nets(back and across rather than forward)-felt a bit odd first couple of weeks but now it feels fine.
With his record you surely have to give him more time? yes no one is gifted an England shirt but he has the most tons for us in recent years(ever maybe) that's got to buy him some time.
I think you are right on one thing thou, the mental pressure he is under recently is taking it's toll. He seems a tough cookie but maybe the outburst against the selectors the other was telling
hes been out of form for a long while now, it's not just a short term blip. Why hasn't he changed his technique? He's got access to all these facilities, state of the art coaching and yet is still getting minced (by lets face it, crap bowlers.. hardly mcgrath, lee, wasim etc).
I have no idea how long Guptill was in bad form for so can't comment on that.
it's just a combination of things for me with Cook, it's not just his technique or even just his form but it's the package. He's struggling in every sense, England cricket is toxic currently and he is up there with the ECB currently. Just imagine the pressure the lad is under. Good luck to him if he does manage to recover (and lets judge him on the ashes please, not a few easy runs vs WI or even a half baked NZ) then England will be stronger for it.
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does anyone really see it happening though? The West Indies series might possibly give him a little temporary respite - though bear in mind that Taylor, Roach, Edwards, Gabriel and the spinners will pose rather more threat than their batsmen will to our attack. But Boult, Southee, Bracewell, Milne and Henry? Skippered by McCullum? You wouldn't fancy that test for an out of form batsmen...
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does anyone really see it happening though? The West Indies series might possibly give him a little temporary respite - though bear in mind that Taylor, Roach, Edwards, Gabriel and the spinners will pose rather more threat than their batsmen will to our attack. But Boult, Southee, Bracewell, Milne and Henry? Skippered by McCullum? You wouldn't fancy that test for an out of form batsmen...
Hell you edge your bets you so basically by your deduction if he scores runs its against poor bowling and if he doesn't he just plain been found out a little more.
Some people can't win or lose the division toxic waste that is English cricket
I hope anybody who plays for England plays well.
The whole cricket landscape in England is broken even supporters.
I fully expect us to do well in the Windies and well against New Zealand and later in the summer the Ashes
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As for Yorkshire powerful outfit look like they got some more promising players coming through as well
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Hell you edge your bets you so basically by your deduction if he scores runs its against poor bowling and if he doesn't he just plain been found out a little more.
No, by my deduction whatever happens in the West Indies is of limited relevance because I would have no confidence in Cook vs NZ regardless.
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we are not broken Procricketer, you are right the whole package is busted, it's not Cook's fault I do know that.
We are bashed,embarrased,beaten up,let down, and any other description I can think of...but not broken....
remember the bit in Terminator while the red light just shone in his eye after going thru that mincing machine? :)
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Root got a long period to prove himself much longer than your average player I think the same can be afforded to Cook.
I think he will sort it out it is a issue but you don't have records over a pre longed period like him not to have ability. He can come good again I hope it sooner rather than later.
It all abit of a joke the management the selections the whole lot to a degree.
You have a pillock of a bloke who a so called world class organisation can't sort out one way or the other we have now taken a off spinner who can't get in a county side???
I feel for Cook he is a bit of a lamb to the slaughter.
I mean the whole senario is a tad embarrassing the whole lot time for a major shake up.
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No, by my deduction whatever happens in the West Indies is of limited relevance because I would have no confidence in Cook vs NZ regardless.
exactly, what people do or don't do in WI is basically irrelevant. NZ should be a good test BUT they'll all have only just flew in from slap and tickle so will probably be totally under prepared and Eng might just win and cover a few more cracks. Aus I'm expecting to smash England due to simply have a far better team overall. Only the ECB are to blame for the state of England cricket and the 'broken' supporters. They've alienated themselves, the team and the fans. Yes, they are supported by the corporates but no one else.
England fans are not broken, they are alienated and completely embarrassed and let down by the ECB and 'Team England'. That to me isn't a bad thing, it's good that fans care and are finally (although still too little) finally starting to speak up against the machine.
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Root got a long period to prove himself much longer than your average player I think the same can be afforded to Cook.
I think he will sort it out it is a issue but you don't have records over a pre longed period like him not to have ability. He can come good again I hope it sooner rather than later.
How long has cook been in this 'slump' for? Feels like 2 years or more.. How long do you get?
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exactly, what people do or don't do in WI is basically irrelevant. NZ should be a good test BUT they'll all have only just flew in from slap and tickle so will probably be totally under prepared and Eng might just win and cover a few more cracks. Aus I'm expecting to smash England due to simply have a far better team overall. Only the ECB are to blame for the state of England cricket and the 'broken' supporters. They've alienated themselves, the team and the fans. Yes, they are supported by the corporates but no one else.
England fans are not broken, they are alienated and completely embarrassed and let down by the ECB and 'Team England'. That to me isn't a bad thing, it's good that fans care and are finally (although still too little) finally starting to speak up against the machine.
No the forum are speaking the wider public I guess don't realy care as much as us on here.
You give your captain as long as he needs.
So games against the Windies are pointless your saying.
What happened to you can only do well against what your playing.
Cook like many I guess playing for his future
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No the forum are speaking the wider public I guess don't realy care as much as us on here.
You give your captain as long as he needs.
So games against the Windies are pointless your saying.
What happened to you can only do well against what your playing.
yes you can only score against what you are against BUT you should expect as a minimum more.. so I expect Cook should score at least 3 100's in 3 tests vs WI, plus 50's.. why.. because WI are pretty poor. So, even if he does score 1 100 and say 2 50's I'd count that as below what I expect of him. Same with Root, Bell etc. These guys need to really show their class vs the weak teams not just get 'just enough to keep their place' type of runs
Just being capt doesn't buy you more time, you should lead from the front more when you skipper, not hide behind it.
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Yorkshire need another 40odd runs to win.
Given the MCC a real battering here!
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Yorkshire need another 40odd runs to win.
Given the MCC a real battering here!
Do the MCC ever win these games?? They need to put out stronger teams!
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Do the MCC ever win these games?? They need to put out stronger teams!
To be fair there's the England Test Captain (whatever you may think of him) plus 3 other capped test players, plus 3 Senior and consistently performing County Pros (Mitchell, Hildreth & Rushworth) then 3 exciting young talents (Billings, Dunn & Ansari)
You're just on a bit of a grumpy tirade lately though aren't you?
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To be fair there's the England Test Captain (whatever you may think of him) plus 3 other capped test players, plus 3 Senior and consistently performing County Pros (Mitchell, Hildreth & Rushworth) then 3 exciting young talents (Billings, Dunn & Ansari)
You're just on a bit of a grumpy tirade lately though aren't you?
well they've been smashed, hence the question ' Do the MCC ever win'
Have you seen what the ECB have done to the England set up?? I'd say it's pretty valid to be grumpy with life currently
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For anyone that has followed cricket for longer than 5 minutes this just feels like the norm for English cricket, barring a few bright patches in the last decade ( mixed with some horrible stuff ) this has been English cricket for the last 30 years. As bad as this lot are they don't rate a mention in some of the sides turned out in the 90's.
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For anyone that has followed cricket for longer than 5 minutes this just feels like the norm for English cricket, barring a few bright patches in the last decade ( mixed with some horrible stuff ) this has been English cricket for the last 30 years. As bad as this lot are they don't rate a mention in some of the sides turned out in the 90's.
So very true. Following England through the latter half of the eighties and the nineties, it was far worse than we see now. The team seemed to change for every test, players were brought in,chewed up and spat out on what seemed like a daily basis and we even ended up with Pattinson for that one test.
This is really little different, but in calling for change, make sure you are clear on what you want as we've tried many things and after a brief period of working most seem to fail.
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