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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: rich041187 on March 31, 2015, 10:04:28 AM
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Daniel Vettori's brilliant international career has come to an end after helping his team reach a world cup final. Just wondering how highly people rated him? I know he didn't turn it massively but he was one of the most consistent and reliable performers iv ever seen (econ rate of just 4 in this wc) and often enabled a small nation in NZ to overachieve. He also gave hope to bespectacled juniors everywhere that they too could become a star athlete. Is he befitting legendary status??
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define legendary? Lara, Ponting, Tendulkar, Warne
I'd say personally he's highly rated and will be remembered as such. Legend?? probably not in that class.
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Great servant to NZ Cricket, not sure legendary outside of NZ. He did carry the attack at times and was a decent bat. To me, and this will probably apply to Stuart Broad when he retires, he was a decent test match player but maybe never quite good enough to be a top performer. I remember Panesar out bowling him on an Old Trafford turner despite Vettori having last use of the wicket. However, to NZ cricket he will be a hero.
Is he off to the IPL retirement home this spring?
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A legend - in my eyes yes, but to the majority of the world I doubt it.
He was a truly great servant to New Zealand and to my mind truly iconic spinner!
He wasn't a massive turner of the ball, but nobody demonstrated change of pace, flight and angle on the crease better than Vetori.
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All the kiwi's thought he was great. I always thought, particularly in the middle of his career, that he was mediocre in a poor side and that made him appear a better player than he was.
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I loved that period where he was everything NZ cricket.
Bowled half the overs, batred 6 (best bat at the time), captain, coach, selector. Pretty certain he was coach driver, team analyst and social secretary at the time too! ;)
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He was not quite out of the top drawer, but you have to give some credit for the way he carried a poor side in the middle years of his career, often being the best batsman as well as the best bowler. Would have have got into a lot of other test sides? Possibly not...
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For a guy who started a genuine number 11 he became very decent indeed.
I would say he was a resourceful cricketer somebody I admired.
Fair play and very good player.
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He was not quite out of the top drawer, but you have to give some credit for the way he carried a poor side in the middle years of his career, often being the best batsman as well as the best bowler. Would have have got into a lot of other test sides? Possibly not...
Disagree on that. Good, reliable, consistent player and you knew what you were going to get. Always a battler too, and every team needs those.
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He was not quite out of the top drawer, but you have to give some credit for the way he carried a poor side in the middle years of his career, often being the best batsman as well as the best bowler. Would have have got into a lot of other test sides? Possibly not...
he'd have been 26 in 2005.. far far better than a certain Mr Giles
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Legend? maybe not but definitely a very good player, showed that what you lack in skill can be overcome in my opinion. Wasn't he top bowler/all rounder in rankings at one point? Considering the spin bowling stocks around the world, at his peak, I see him potentially getting into SA, WI, Eng & maybe Aus test sides which isn't a bad thing.
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Left arm spinners name better of the period I can only think of one really
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Legend? maybe not but definitely a very good player, showed that what you lack in skill can be overcome in my opinion. Wasn't he top bowler/all rounder in rankings at one point? Considering the spin bowling stocks around the world, at his peak, I see him potentially getting into SA, WI, Eng & maybe Aus test sides which isn't a bad thing.
that's true, who was SA's and WI's spinner at the peak of his career? Warne probably just nudged it for Aus until 2007 at least
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that's true, who was SA's and WI's spinner at the peak of his career? Warne probably just nudged it for Aus until 2007 at least
WI has had Benn for a while, can't remember who there before him, SA was that tall guy can't remember the name of him and before him was Nicky Boje
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WI has had Benn for a while, can't remember who there before him, SA was that tall guy can't remember the name of him
I think you'd take Vettori over Benn. Botha for SA wasn't it for a while?
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Paul Harris.
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Paul Harris.
that's the one
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Harris was poor no Ranga Herath is the only other for me
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But as I said for a guy who couldn't hold a bat to end up averaging 30 in test cricket man fair play,
His bowling was full of guile and let's be fair he was a battler.
World class maybe not , legend defiantly
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I think that you can only rate Vettori in the context of New Zealand really. Fantastic longevity and he held the team together for a long while. He was captain, most dependable bat after Taylor, and workhorse spinner too. And a selector and de facto coach.
362 Test wickets ain't to be sniffed at. You don't get that many being average. Most ODI wickets for the country, at 31 with an economy of four.
Can anyone name the next highest wicket-taking NZ spinner in Tests?
John Bracewell with 102
Then Steve Boock with 74
Then ...
Quite a mark on their history.
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By the end of his career nobody hit him badly in limited overs, so much craft. Guaranteed 10 overs for under 50 in most odis and under 30 off 4 in 2020. All aside from his test match career.
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that's true, who was SA's and WI's spinner at the peak of his career? Warne probably just nudged it for Aus until 2007 at least
Paul Adams for South Africa?
http://youtu.be/frctY31KKvg (http://youtu.be/frctY31KKvg)
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For me Daniel Vettori was certainly a great cricketer. Many are forgetting he debuted in his teens and was a massive spinner of the ball. I'm also sure he suffered a bad back injury that led him to become the master of guile and flight. Throw in his batting he averaged 40+ in the last 5/6 years of his career. He carried his side for a long period. Top class and a great man as well.
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On bbc website...he is only one of three men to have scored both 4,000 Test runs and taken 300 Test wickets, along with acknowledged all-round greats Sir Ian Botham of England and India's Kapil Dev.
Decent company
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brilliant player, one of NZ's very best-just kept the injuries at bay for the World Cup but looks knackered.
When he says retired from International cricket might he be available to play in England(county cricket) or has he knocked it on the head completely?
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Isn't he coach of RCB in the IPL$$$$?
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Praise from Gerry :o Blimey!
I nearly fell off my chair when I read that ;)
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Very smart cricketer, will be NZ coach in coming years..
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Always one of my favourite players. Not quite a legend, outside of NZ anyway, but will be remembered as a very good player! Carried NZ for years and was imo the best SLA around up until a few years ago when injuries caught up with him. Wish him well and can certainly see him coaching in the future
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Absolute legend, so laid back hes almost horizontal.
Always knew what you would get with him, consistent with the ball, and finished on a high in the world cup despite his age and slight shock call up maybe?
What a catch as well, and didnt even celebrate, just casual as ever
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Disagree on that. Good, reliable, consistent player and you knew what you were going to get. Always a battler too, and every team needs those.
Possibly a bit harsh on reflection - I think its more that there are few that he would have been an automatic choice for.
His peak as a bowler was around 2006-9. Australia in that period had Warne and MacGill, England Giles, Panesar and then Swann, South Africa Botha and Harris, Pakistan Kaneria and Ajmal, India Harbhajan and Kumble, Sri Lanka Murali, Herath etc. He would be far closer to the bottom than the top of that list...
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Possibly a bit harsh on reflection - I think its more that there are few that he would have been an automatic choice for.
His peak as a bowler was around 2006-9. Australia in that period had Warne and MacGill, England Giles, Panesar and then Swann, South Africa Botha and Harris, Pakistan Kaneria and Ajmal, India Harbhajan and Kumble, Sri Lanka Murali, Herath etc. He would be far closer to the bottom than the top of that list...
Warne - Warne obviously
MacGill - Was over the hill by that time.
Giles - Vettori clearly
Panesar - better than in all ways aside from rag
Swann - I'd give it to Swann
Botha and Harris - Vettori better than both.
Kaniera - Vettori better for me.
Ajmal - Bit later wasn't he? Late starter.
Harbajan - Done by his mid 20s, average bowler for the second half of his career.
Kumble - I'd give Anil the edge
Murali - murali obviously
Herath - Vettori has been doing the exact same thing for far longer with more strings to his bow.
Thus, I wouldn't put him closer to the bottom.
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Warne - Warne obviously
MacGill - Was over the hill by that time.
Giles - Vettori clearly
Panesar - better than in all ways aside from rag
Swann - I'd give it to Swann
Botha and Harris - Vettori better than both.
Kaniera - Vettori better for me.
Ajmal - Bit later wasn't he? Late starter.
Harbajan - Done by his mid 20s, average bowler for the second half of his career.
Kumble - I'd give Anil the edge
Murali - murali obviously
Herath - Vettori has been doing the exact same thing for far longer with more strings to his bow.
Thus, I wouldn't put him closer to the bottom.
Only one better left arm spinner for me Hereth but my god his improvement in Batting he was genuine club number 11 but still worked so hard as i said LEGEND TO NEW ZEALAND CRICKET.