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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: InternalTraining on April 06, 2015, 04:21:55 PM
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What is the correct moisture level for cricket bats? I want to measures the moisture using an industrial/generic Mositure meter.
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10 percent.
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You'll put holes in your bat though??
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You'll put holes in your bat though??
You rest it against the surface of the wood...no holes needed.
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10 percent.
Amplus came out at 8 percent. Cause for concern?
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Would be interested to know the levels in recent purchases from OLS as some people say that they must be drier to have such big edges for the weights?
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No set levels it between 8-12 per cent depends on where bat is made how williow is stored
Some Asian brands take it down to 4-6 per cent
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You wouldn't get such a good reading without actually penetrating the timber, the current needs to run through the timber for an accurate measurement.
Bats at 4-6% would pick up more moisture and weight when they got to England anyway, you can't keep them that dry in this climate
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Would be interested to know the levels in recent purchases from OLS as some people say that they must be drier to have such big edges for the weights?
Or not full width
Or not full size
Or all 3. Take your pick.
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You wouldn't get such a good reading without actually penetrating the timber, the current needs to run through the timber for an accurate measurement.
Bats at 4-6% would pick up more moisture and weight when they got to England anyway, you can't keep them that dry in this climate
We shall talk later ref this net buddy
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I dont think the retailers dry the bat or reduce the blade size lol
Its the batmaker and will be same whether bought from overseas or local retailer.
Anyways, back to the topic. Is there a scientific study on how moisture effects bat size? Not sure how much overdrying a cleft results in bigger bat size. Interested in seeing - x% lesser content results in y% increase in overall volume of the cleft.
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Is it possible to moisturize the bat with little water spray and then oil it to increase moisture content or a bad idea.
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Some people say that if you oil a dry bat then it would be fine?
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But the oil does not penetrate lot...it stays on surface and works a s sealant...
Some people say that if you oil a dry bat then it would be fine?
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Is it possible to moisturize the bat with little water spray and then oil it to increase moisture content or a bad idea.
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Some people say that if you oil a dry bat then it would be fine?
The oil stops the moisture getting out. A bit late if the bat has dried.
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I dont think the retailers dry the bat or reduce the blade size lol
Its the batmaker and will be same whether bought from overseas or local retailer.
Anyways, back to the topic. Is there a scientific study on how moisture effects bat size? Not sure how much overdrying a cleft results in bigger bat size. Interested in seeing - x% lesser content results in y% increase in overall volume of the cleft.
I can show you the same bats size one 5oz lighter than the same bat in dimentions and volume.
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I can show you the same bats size one 5oz lighter than the same bat in dimentions and volume.
Is that not more down to density of the wood rather than moisture content though, Dave?
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Linseed oil does seal the bat it also penetrates into the willow and norishes the wood.
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Is that not more down to density of the wood rather than moisture content though, Dave?
one natural ones not only difference and longevity I guess
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Is it possible to moisturize the bat with little water spray and then oil it to increase moisture content or a bad idea.
I leave mine in the bathroom for a couple of days. The bat should naturally take on water and as there's plenty of steam in the air it (in theory) fast tracks the process.
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I leave mine in the bathroom for a couple of days. The bat should naturally take on water and as there's plenty of steam in the air it (in theory) fast tracks the process.
Sounds like a handy tool if the flush clogs.
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Sounds like a handy tool if the flush clogs.
The bat handle is useful for beating the stubborn submarines round the U-bend
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I can show you the same bats size one 5oz lighter than the same bat in dimentions and volume.
What is the difference in moisture level though? It could just be a light cleft.
Not sure if moisture can be measured accurately with the average tools available in the market.
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Is there a market for very low grade over dried bats that are just huge. So you dry it, dry a g5 g6 bat right right down so that its very dry. And make a huge bat out of it. If they are sold full well in the knowledge that its dry and will not last. I would be tempted, if I could get a 3 and half pound bat of volume at 2.10 after drying? If that makes sense?
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Is there a market for very low grade over dried bats that are just huge. So you dry it, dry a g5 g6 bat right right down so that its very dry. And make a huge bat out of it. If they are sold full well in the knowledge that its dry and will not last. I would be tempted, if I could get a 3 and half pound bat of volume at 2.10 after drying? If that makes sense?
Why? What is the obsession with large bats?
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I like to look down and see something substantial ;)
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Why? What is the obsession with large bats?
they hit the ball further!! and everyone I know walks around going 'look how good my bat is, so big'
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Good timing and technique hit the ball further.
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Good timing and technique hit the ball further.
being a fat knacker also hits it further and 95% of the amateur players don't have timing and technique so bat size/perception is more important
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Newbery bat comes with anti-stuff sheet, does that mean you never have to remove the scuff sheet and the right moisture level will stay through out the bat life?
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Newbery bat comes with anti-stuff sheet, does that mean you never have to remove the scuff sheet and the right moisture level will stay through out the bat life?
Yes one of the reasons scuff sheets are applied to bats is that they are desiged to retain moisture but don't forget to apply Raw Linseed Oil to the bats exposed areas.
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In theory suppose a bat has 12% moisture and it weighs 1000 gms and you dry it and reduce moisture to 8% the bat weight should go down by 4% so around 960 gms.
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Good timing and technique hit the ball further.
Even on slow outfields? What is the minimum weight bat needed to clear the 80 yard long on boundary with good timing and technique?
I have never seen a big or long hitter use anything under 2-11 at the club level and they seem to have great timing and technique.
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Albert Trott is the only person to have hit the ball over the pavilion at Lords. The bats in 1889 were significantly smaller.
The issue was about the volume of the bat not the weight
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Sometimes we overthink too much about bats, just get out there and whack that damn ball. Main thing to look for is pick up and feel. it need to feel right in the hands.
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Albert Trott is the only person to have hit the ball over the pavilion at Lords. The bats in 1889 were significantly smaller.
The issue was about the volume of the bat not the weight
Erm not actually true... Keiron Pollard has done it too around 3.50 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GyVhRAqHHE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GyVhRAqHHE)
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Albert Trott is the only person to have hit the ball over the pavilion at Lords. The bats in 1889 were significantly smaller.
The issue was about the volume of the bat not the weight
What do we know about his bat? Smaller bats can also weigh a lot and pack a punch. Viv used a 3 pounder but it didn't look very big. Imran Khan used 2-12 bats and they looked thin.
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Erm not actually true... Keiron Pollard has done it too around 3.50 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GyVhRAqHHE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GyVhRAqHHE)
Pollard is 6'5" and a BIG, STRONG man. He also uses a bat that weighs over 3 lbs.
There is no way that timing and technique (t&t) is hitting those massive sixes.
People unnessarily glorify the past. Big hitters in those days used heavy (not voluminous ) bats too.
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Albert Trott is the only person to have hit the ball over the pavilion at Lords. The bats in 1889 were significantly smaller.
The issue was about the volume of the bat not the weight
Yes with a 2lb 2 ounce bat
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Yes with a 2lb 2 ounce bat
I am not saying it is impossible but highly improbable.
Laws of physics have not changed and you can't really cite one example as a rule.
I remain skeptical :D
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The reiterate. the issue was about the volume of a bat not the weight. Yes, a heavy bat will hit the ball further. A large 2.8 bat will not hit the ball any further than a small 2.8 bat.
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But it would be stiffer and therefore less energy would be lost...?
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The reiterate. the issue was about the volume of a bat not the weight. Yes, a heavy bat will hit the ball further. A large 2.8 bat will not hit the ball any further than a small 2.8 bat.
Then why do the pros have such bats?? They wouldn't do it if it didn't make a difference
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The reiterate. the issue was about the volume of a bat not the weight. Yes, a heavy bat will hit the ball further. A large 2.8 bat will not hit the ball any further than a small 2.8 bat.
So why do some bat makers make a big deal about low density clefts which enables a bigger bat for the same weight?
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Most pro do not use as light as you think or the ones i have seen don't at all
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There have been threads on here where people say a large bat and flat face gives them more confidence. Perhaps it's that. If the Pros do it the amateurs follow. So maybe bat makers are just supplying what the consumers want.
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I am not saying it is impossible but highly improbable.
Laws of physics have not changed and you can't really cite one example as a rule.
I remain skeptical :D
Well he's in the record books as doing it using a 2lb 2 ounce bat.
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Erm not actually true... Keiron Pollard has done it too around 3.50 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GyVhRAqHHE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GyVhRAqHHE)
Pollard hit the roof, which has been done by a few - Trott hit it over the pavilion.
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Well he's in the record books as doing it using a 2lb 2 ounce bat.
He used a 3lber!
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I hit the ball further with a good 2.6 bat than I do with 2.12 because I can't swing it as fast. Someone already said it, people are overthinking bats and some players just hit the ball hard.
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Isnt it the heavier the bat the larger the sweetspot?
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No
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ok thanks
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I hit the ball further with a good 2.6 bat than I do with 2.12 because I can't swing it as fast. Someone already said it, people are overthinking bats and some players just hit the ball hard.
Yes you would do for example a 10 percent increase in your normal bat weight would enable the ball to be hit further but only if the bat is swung at the same speed as your 2lb 6 ounce bat and there is no loss of timing.
But if a slower swing of the heavier bat is used due to the increase in the bats weight it will not.
Therefore your 2lb 6 ounce lighter bat would hit the ball further due to your bat speed being faster.
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Yes you would do for example a 10 percent increase in your normal bat weight would enable the ball to be hit further but only if the bat is swung at the same speed as your 2lb 6 ounce bat and there is no loss of timing.
But if a slower swing of the heavier bat is used due to the increase in the bats weight it will not.
Therefore your 2lb 6 ounce lighter bat would hit the ball further due to your bat speed being faster.
In short - all other things being equal, bigger is better!
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In short - all other things being equal, bigger is better!
Yes.