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Title: End of ICC?
Post by: qasim_aziz99 on April 27, 2015, 11:07:13 AM
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Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on April 27, 2015, 11:20:03 AM
Oh yes, what a great thing to happen, hopefully all the associates and smaller test nations support and isolate ind, eng and aus
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: InternalTraining on April 27, 2015, 11:28:11 AM
As long as an abomination like T-20 is done away with, I am all for alternatives.
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: Buzz on April 27, 2015, 11:33:17 AM
This is really interesting - and has put the cat amongst the pigeons nicely!
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: uknsaunders on April 27, 2015, 12:09:23 PM
As long as an abomination like T-20 is done away with, I am all for alternatives.

I doubt it. I suspect it means more t20 if Modi is involved. Interesting to know what "domestic" means? Does that mean county level - which I think will be difficult to break into, or  tapping into local high level club cricket talent and creating new county sides with a new payroll of players. The latter is easier to do but going to cost a huge amount to sustain over the initial years. Nobody would pay much for TV rights and it wouldn't be well attended initially. If it gained traction in several countries then only then could it start to pay as a business.
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: Buzz on April 27, 2015, 12:17:07 PM
Denial of Modi's involvement and focussing on non commonwealth countries apparently (I don't believe either personally!)
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: golden duck on April 27, 2015, 12:19:49 PM
Given what appears the ICC's apparent dislike of associate level cricket what would they have to loose
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: TBONTB on April 27, 2015, 12:25:34 PM
Surely the cost of starting this in any real and meaningful way would be so exorbitant that it would just not see a return. Surely most nations have a contract that would not allow them to play cricket for other tv/associations and I wouldn't be surprised that they would have clauses prohibiting any kind of deal or negation while the contract is still in place. It might see considerable change but just in terms of sheer cost and hassle I doubt it would happen. I don't really know if its good or bad but I just don't see if getting enough money. 100 million quid can be got through very quickly if you start dealing with TV and wage bills. And that is a mad amount of money.
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: uknsaunders on April 27, 2015, 12:43:13 PM
Surely the cost of starting this in any real and meaningful way would be so exorbitant that it would just not see a return. Surely most nations have a contract that would not allow them to play cricket for other tv/associations and I wouldn't be surprised that they would have clauses prohibiting any kind of deal or negation while the contract is still in place. It might see considerable change but just in terms of sheer cost and hassle I doubt it would happen. I don't really know if its good or bad but I just don't see if getting enough money. 100 million quid can be got through very quickly if you start dealing with TV and wage bills. And that is a mad amount of money.

Yes it wouldn't be cheap:-

10 team tournament x 16 players per squad + 4 backroom staff = 200 players * £50k = £1m
Cost of venues, ticketing, pitch prep = ? £1m?
Run for 3 years
Run over 5 countries

=£30m easily

Add in tax, legal fees, and any recruitment of star names and it's going north of £50m.

Your return, it's possible TV companies might pay token amounts to fill up viewing hours but unless it gained an audience you would be struggling to recover the initial outlay. Attendances might recoup a little but without star names nobody will turn up for the first season or so.

My guess is an international IPL model. Some kind of travelling circus. Maybe a couple of franchises in each country, picking off retired players or journeymen t20 players. Outlay on the playing side will be with the franchises. Maybe Modi is also hoping to go into the associates by having a Franchise in Ireland and Scotland, for example. Tapping into associate markets who don't have the funds to do it themselves?
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: TBONTB on April 27, 2015, 01:18:45 PM
If anything I think your estimates for venue cost is low. I mean to play in an well developed country with large numbers of stewards even on minimum wage for the day. 6.50hr x 100 stewards 650 per hour, over a 10 hour day ish 6.5k a day in just the stewards, not including NI & pension contribution.Ohh and that doesnt include covering any police costs or fines for litter and noise pollution. It could easily cost upwards of 100k to put on a days cricket just in sunk cost alone. I know for other countries it would be very different but I just don't think there is enough support for two essentially similar cricket ventures, which are the same but in name. The term group think comes to mine when looking at this were a bunch of cricket lovers have convinced themselves that is is a good idea.
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: Buzz on April 27, 2015, 01:26:35 PM
compared to buying TV rights (especially in India) this is cheap.
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: CrickFreak on April 27, 2015, 02:41:09 PM
I think bigger problem is getting viewership. I dont think it will attract lot of interest, who would watch some club level cricketers playing when high profile series like IPL, Ashes etc are going on...
Chandra did this sometime back and was crushed by BCCI. They were playing on club level grounds, was covered by only 1 tv channel.
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on April 27, 2015, 03:20:17 PM
it'll never work simply because it'll cost to much to get going and keep it going long enough to bring the ICC down. Great idea though
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: The_Bird on May 01, 2015, 07:18:43 AM
http://m.foxsports.com.au/cricket/michael-clarke-david-warner-reportedly-targeted-with-50-million-deals-by-rebel-league/story-e6frf3g3-1227329529723 (http://m.foxsports.com.au/cricket/michael-clarke-david-warner-reportedly-targeted-with-50-million-deals-by-rebel-league/story-e6frf3g3-1227329529723)

So Money certainly won't be a stumbling block for this...
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: ajmw89 on May 01, 2015, 10:51:35 AM
If it does get off the ground, it might end up being the kick up the backside that modern day cricket needs to turn it into  a global game, much like Packer did with WSC...
Title: Re: End of ICC?
Post by: tejasapatel on May 01, 2015, 01:11:23 PM
Money will buy the current existing pros for a few seasons but to truly replace or compete the current set up they would need to hook into cricket at grassroots level (village, club) and domestic professional set up. This would allow them access to the up and coming talent. A set up like this would help the players in that they will get full season of competitive cricket and not just one tournament a year as they would be banned by the ICC and their national board from playing in the current domestic pro circuit.

Though I do like the idea of having two conferences one with ICC teams and one with Chandra teams and having re World Cup or championship with top 6 teams from both set ups.