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Title: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Jason_Yuan on May 04, 2015, 06:48:37 PM
Just got announced, surely it was suppose to happen 18 months ago after the ashes? What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Neon Cricket on May 04, 2015, 07:01:11 PM
It's a shame he's had to go out like this but it's his time.

Great career, just a sad ending to it all.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Andythomo21 on May 04, 2015, 07:03:28 PM
What a waste of skin that bloke is.  Where's his backbone?!

He's cost a young lad his chance to open the batting for three tests in the West Indies, and because he's failed out there he's thrown in the towel and taken the easy option.

Fight for your place, show what you can do.  Giving up just shows how much playing for his country really means to him!

This just totally confirms what 90% of cricket fans thought in the first place! Trott should not gave been selected for the West Indies.  Even once selected, he shouldn't have started.

The ECB are consistently making themselves look even more like clowns, if that's possible?

Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 04, 2015, 07:10:27 PM
It makes me wonder if the selectors knew this could happen if he failed to score runs before the sieres started.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Alvaro on May 04, 2015, 07:22:27 PM
What a waste of skin that bloke is.  Where's his backbone?!
Did you say the same about Trescothick or Yardy?

He's cost a young lad his chance to open the batting for three tests in the West Indies, and because he's failed out there he's thrown in the towel and taken the easy option.

He didn't pick himself did he?


Fight for your place, show what you can do.  Giving up just shows how much playing for his country really means to him!
Or, he realised he wasn't good enough anymore, and rather than costing any 'young lads' a go from now on, he's done the honest thing.

This just totally confirms what 90% of cricket fans thought in the first place! Trott should not gave been selected for the West Indies.  Even once selected, he shouldn't have started.

After a strong international career, Wouldn't you want to see if you could still do it?
Again, apart from saying he'd give it a crack it's up to the selectors.  That's how it works.

The ECB are consistently making themselves look even more like clowns, if that's possible?

Just seems like a good bloke falling on his sword. Can probably let ECB off that one.

If you've nothing gracious to say, don't.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: procricket on May 04, 2015, 07:24:44 PM
44 IN TESTS
51 IN ODI

Great player a true champion of his day his 100 at the oval will live long in the memory

And thanks for them
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: iand123 on May 04, 2015, 07:28:00 PM
Well trott didn't pick himself did he, he's tried to come back and he's realised (or perhaps been told he wouldn't be picked again we don't know) he isn't at the standard. But without trying he or England wouldn't have known.

I personally think he deserves credit for everything he's been through to give it another shot. He's been a very good player for England since coming into the side and a lot of the success over the past 5 or so years has been down to his runs and stability at 3.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion but a waste of skin seems extremely harsh. Worth remembering it's only cricket mate
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: uknsaunders on May 04, 2015, 07:28:03 PM
To me its a sad end to an international career that could if led to him being an England great. I have no issues with him playing and if he had to fail to let lyth play then so be it. At least England know where they stand now, as does trott. I personally would preferred him to see out the tour as an international cricketer and then retired, don't like this habit of players finishing mid tour.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: ppccopener on May 04, 2015, 07:30:01 PM
I read posts on here sometimes and just shake my head.
If you read his announcement he knows he is no longer good enough and has done the decent thing
Whether he should of been on this tour or not(lyth for me) he has been our best number three for years.
Questions will always remain about playing real pace but some on herecannoy be true England fans.
The bloke has battled thou abd realised he cannot cut it
Thanks trotty for everything
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: addidasf55 on May 04, 2015, 07:34:32 PM
Shame he had to go out on that note.
Poorly managed by the board. They knew they had decent players in the middle order, why bring him back to open? It's hard coming back as it is!
Should've called him back for a last hurrah in an easy home series next summer.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on May 04, 2015, 07:39:36 PM
What a waste of skin that bloke is.  Where's his backbone?!

He's cost a young lad his chance to open the batting for three tests in the West Indies, and because he's failed out there he's thrown in the towel and taken the easy option.

Fight for your place, show what you can do.  Giving up just shows how much playing for his country really means to him!

This just totally confirms what 90% of cricket fans thought in the first place! Trott should not gave been selected for the West Indies.  Even once selected, he shouldn't have started.

The ECB are consistently making themselves look even more like clowns, if that's possible?

Now, I'm no fan of the ECB but the only thing they are guilty of is opening with him. The guy has been a good test player and top odi player for England as was one of the rocks in our decent 2010-12 team. Thanks for your work Trott, going to be hard to replace his consistency and hopefully he'll play a few more years in lvcc, making it a stronger completion and helping the next generation.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 04, 2015, 07:40:57 PM
Whilst he wasn't good enough to play for South Africa, he enjoyed a successful career for a lesser side like England. It's unfortunate he leaves after suffering his problems, but 100+ International caps is a decent career.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: golden duck on May 04, 2015, 07:41:39 PM
Thank you Trott for all the good memories.

Good effort getting back out there - it's a shame the ecb/coach/captain screwed you by throwing you in to open.

Great number 3's are not necessarily openers.

England really should have used the wi to at least try and blood some new players.

In fact they could have done that then had an excuse if they had lost 3rd test....

Sorry for the derail

Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Giraffe208 on May 04, 2015, 07:41:54 PM
Definitely walked before he was pushed but hats off to him.

He's tried and realised he can't produce what he or anyone wants to see from him.

Been a good servant and wish him well for the future.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: iand123 on May 04, 2015, 07:42:19 PM
Whilst he wasn't good enough to play for South Africa, he enjoyed a successful career for a lesser side like England. It's unfortunate he leaves after suffering his problems, but 100+ International caps is a decent career.

And there speaks the voice of reason and common sense this thread needed. Thanks Gerry
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: fros23 on May 04, 2015, 07:46:09 PM
To me its a sad end to an international career that could if led to him being an England great. I have no issues with him playing and if he had to fail to let lyth play then so be it. At least England know where they stand now, as does trott. I personally would preferred him to see out the tour as an international cricketer and then retired, don't like this habit of players finishing mid tour.

The tour's over Nick, unless you count the fact that this test should have finished tomorrow!
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: procricket on May 04, 2015, 07:48:03 PM
Whilst he wasn't good enough to play for South Africa, he enjoyed a successful career for a lesser side like England. It's unfortunate he leaves after suffering his problems, but 100+ International caps is a decent career.

Gerry read his stats (which i know you do) i think he may have found a spot mmmm :D
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Andythomo21 on May 04, 2015, 07:50:13 PM
I think everyone reads the odd post on here sometimes and shakes their head, me included.  Reading my post back I was possibly a bit harsh on the lad, but at the time of writing I was in full flow and perhaps should have maybe paused to proof read before I posted, or maybe I shouldn't. Who knows?

Trott has been a good number 3 for England, not an opener.

You can't have your cake and eat it.  Either you let the selectors pick the team or you don't.  If he wasn't up to the standard, Trott himself will have had a very good idea of that before the tour.  If you leave it upto the selectors to pick the team, as suggested, he's had one bad tour so still leave it upto the selectors and fight for your place!

As for suggesting who's a true England fan and who isn't, ridiculous.  I support England more than you do. Nah nah na na nah!  :)

Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: addidasf55 on May 04, 2015, 07:52:58 PM
Gerry read his stats (which i know you do) i think he may have found a spot mmmm :D

Playing devils advocate here... He might not have made it on the bouncier pitches there?
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 04, 2015, 07:53:29 PM
Gerry read his stats (which i know you do) i think he may have found a spot mmmm :D
As Mickey Arthur said, Trott wouldn't get into the South African 'A' team. Enough said
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 04, 2015, 07:54:24 PM
Playing devils advocate here... He might not have made it on the bouncier pitches there?
Nail on head. Why'd you think he left Boland for Birmingham...
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Giraffe208 on May 04, 2015, 07:55:35 PM
Nail on head. Why'd you think he left Boland for Birmingham...

Maybe he likes a grey drizzly sky 364 days a year?
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Alvaro on May 04, 2015, 07:56:56 PM
As Mickey Arthur said, Trott wouldn't get into the South African 'A' team. Enough said

He wouldn't have said that they'd let someone slip through the net better than their current options though, whatever the truth.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Byo on May 04, 2015, 07:59:42 PM
Nail on head. Why'd you think he left Boland for Birmingham...

To get away from you possibly?
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 04, 2015, 08:00:10 PM
He wouldn't have said that they'd let someone slip through the net better than their current options though, whatever the truth.
Amla or Trott...yeah we got it right
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 04, 2015, 08:00:49 PM
To get away from you possibly?
This made me laugh.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Giraffe208 on May 04, 2015, 08:02:24 PM
As Mickey Arthur said, Trott wouldn't get into the South African 'A' team. Enough said

Was that due to cricket or because he wouldn't do his homework?

Can't argue with the Trott vs Amla position. Amla is different class!
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: ppccopener on May 04, 2015, 08:09:40 PM
Who gives a monkeys what mickey arthur thinks or says?
South african cricket is famous for one thing,having no backbone.
Its been like that for years
One thing you cant coach is bottle
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: potzy248 on May 04, 2015, 08:10:46 PM
Was the rock of the England side for a few years and in the end his stats show a pretty good career.

I am not a fan of his at all though. Pulling out of an Ashes tour after your getting owned by the bowlers and then claiming "depression" never really convinced me at all. If the shoe was on the other foot and England were dominating Trott would never have left the team.

Finally, the biggest thing I hated about Trott was his taking guard. How dare anyone carve out a canyon on a pitch like he did...

Good luck to him though, he had obvious talent.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 04, 2015, 08:11:11 PM
Who gives a monkeys what mickey arthur thinks or says?
South african cricket is famous for one thing,having no backbone.
Its been like that for years
One thing you cant coach is bottle
You like Trott pissing his pants in the recent Ashes series?
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: ppccopener on May 04, 2015, 08:24:11 PM
You like Trott pissing his pants in the recent Ashes series?
The only time ive seen batsmen actually scared was your lot
You tube malcolms 9-47 at the oval v south africa
Thats 'pants pissing' of the highest order
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: golders on May 04, 2015, 08:27:04 PM
In the first instance,I think Trott showed courage to admit to being ill and leave an ashes series. I think it was brave to fight for his recovery and earn a spot back in the England team. To try and tour again with England must have filled him with many doubts,and I think you could see that in the way he played. He tried and failed, but at least he tried- I hope this brings him some closure and he finds solace in the fact that he gave it his best shot. I and the rest of the real cricket family will,I'm sure, wish him well.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: jamesisapayne on May 04, 2015, 08:29:40 PM
Can I just ask if it's possible to hide specific members from view?
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 04, 2015, 08:30:50 PM
The only time ive seen batsmen actually scared was your lot
You tube malcolms 9-47 at the oval v south africa
Thats 'pants pissing' of the highest order
Sure it was...Mitch Johnson had the Poms running for cover
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: uknsaunders on May 04, 2015, 08:37:01 PM
You like Trott pissing his pants in the recent Ashes series?
Your comments are offensive and unnecessary.

I know first hand about mental illness and it takes courage to deal with it and admit you need help. You obviously don't think carefully about what you say or who you say it about. Just as long as you wind people up, that's ok is it?

This forum is a place for objective and reasonable discussion, if you don't have something sensible to say then please keep quiet.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: cheese on May 04, 2015, 08:37:41 PM
Sure it was...Mitch Johnson had the Poms running for cover

Want to see a South African getting messed up...
Watch Flintoff bowling to Kallis at Edgebaston in 2008...
Kallis was as clueless as you are Gerry!
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Giraffe208 on May 04, 2015, 08:40:02 PM
Want to see a South African getting messed up...
Watch Flintoff bowling to Kallis at Edgebaston in 2008...
Kallis was as clueless as you are Gerry!

Kallis in my view is the best ever all rounder and everyone loses form at some point
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 04, 2015, 08:40:33 PM
Want to see a South African getting messed up...
Watch Flintoff bowling to Kallis at Edgebaston in 2008...
Kallis was as clueless as you are Gerry!
You mean Kallis scored 64 before he got out? Or you mean the series where South Africa schooled England?
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 04, 2015, 08:41:29 PM
Your comments are offensive and unnecessary.

I know first hand about mental illness and it takes courage to deal with it and admit you need help. You obviously don't think carefully about what you say or who you say it about. Just as long as you wind people up, that's ok is it?

This forum is a place for objective and reasonable discussion, if you don't have something sensible to say then please keep quiet.
Trott bottled it. Fact. Second time he'd copped out in his career. Fact.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: uknsaunders on May 04, 2015, 08:43:51 PM
Trott bottled it. Fact. Second time he'd copped out in his career. Fact.
You call everyone with a mental condition a bottler? What a nice world you live in.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 04, 2015, 08:45:48 PM
You call everyone with a mental condition a bottler? What a nice world you live in.
Trott 'claimed' to have a mental condition, simply put he didn't have the bottle to face Australia. Where's the proof Trott was truly ill?
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: tejasapatel on May 04, 2015, 08:47:32 PM
Whilst he wasn't good enough to play for South Africa, he enjoyed a successful career for a lesser side like England. It's unfortunate he leaves after suffering his problems, but 100+ International caps is a decent career.

Bang!!! and he is back. Can always count on you to make a thread interesting when it comes to English players.

Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: GDP1964 on May 04, 2015, 08:48:34 PM
Sad to hear of Johnathan Trotts retirement I really enjoyed watching him bat although he will still be around for the Bears scoring plenty of runs this season hopefully . All credit to him in admitting he is not good enough to play at the highest level. Yes he was given a second chance and what player would turn down a another go rightly or wrongly he went to the windies was asked to open and failed admitted his failure and cleared the way for Adam Blythe . Thanks for all the good times and your honesty a great role model to all young cricketers
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on May 04, 2015, 08:50:07 PM
You call everyone with a mental condition a bottler? What a nice world you live in.

With you 100% here, Nick.

From my own experience with mental illness (having suffered from it myself and had my mother being badly effected) I must come from a family of "bottlers".

People making comments like that is what makes society such an ugly place nowadays.

I wouldn't wish mental health problems on anyone, but it really grinds my gears when people who've not experienced it first hand come out with sheer ignorance like that.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: AndrewS on May 04, 2015, 08:50:55 PM
Some of the responses in this thread wouldn't be out of place in the Daily Mail comments section. Perspective really is in short supply.

Here's to Trott, a player who managed to support his family and win accolade in his chosen career.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: 19reading87 on May 04, 2015, 08:52:29 PM
Some of these comments are hilarious! Actually making me LOL!!

Let's face basic facts here.... Trott is 34, he's just openly admitted his technique isn't cut out for international cricket anymore so has walked away! Head held high in my opinion. I'm sure some of you have forgotten his first ashes series in Australia... He seemed to handle their attack decent enough then!

The negative comments about mental health are disgusting and have no place on an, open public forum!
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: InternalTraining on May 04, 2015, 08:53:07 PM
I am sorry to see Trott depart from the international scene. Since the last Ashes, he didn't look comfortable with the bat.

Bad timing for team England...they could do away with drama and focus on cricket. Lot of young talent there that could use a bit of luck.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: The_Bird on May 04, 2015, 08:59:39 PM
Would love to see Gerry face 94mph at his chin.

Trott was a very decent player who had a problem with the quick short ball, Wasn't the first and won't be the last. Clarke is another player who's terrible when it whizzes past his ears.

the pressures of elite level sport has again taken a victim. The guy tried to return to the sport which should be applauded and he goes out as an Ashes hero.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: golders on May 04, 2015, 09:03:15 PM
With you 100% here, Nick.

From my own experience with mental illness (having suffered from it myself and had my mother being badly effected) I must come from a family of "bottlers".

People making comments like that is what makes society such an ugly place nowadays.

I wouldn't wish mental health problems on anyone, but it really grinds my gears when people who've not experienced it first hand come out with sheer ignorance like that.


Well said mate
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on May 04, 2015, 09:06:13 PM
Now I have that last post out of my system!

It's a shame to see Trott depart in such a fashion.
He was a great number 3 for England and played a huge part in a very successful side.

There's not many come back to the top level after a mental illness, and it's great that he gave it another shot.
What I respect most is that he then held both hands up and admitted he wasn't good enough for international cricket any more, that takes a lot of bottle.

Thank you Jonathan Trott, for your service to English cricket and all the great memories you've given us along the way.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gingerbusiness on May 04, 2015, 09:11:30 PM
Hi All,

I'm back! Not that it is a massive fanfare but I have been away for a few months as a new job and a fiancee who wants to spend 'time together' involves me doing what she wants to do a lot!

I have just come across this and as someone who has had depression due to circumstance (A mixture of institutional and emotional bullying - something I am not scared to talk about) I find the idea that Trott 'bottled' his career as rather insulting. I work with a former England cricketer, and having spoken to him on many occasions, the demands on a test cricketer, especially one with a young family, are incredible.

Couple that with the constant abuse the guy has to suffer, through sledging, insults from the uneducated and uncultured as well as being in the media spotlight, regardless if you consider them to just be 'part of the job', the question should be - "Why are more sportsmen not suffering with stress related illnesses??"

Just my two pennies worth.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Buzz on May 04, 2015, 09:14:33 PM
A quality player has retired. Given people can't be civilized I will lock this until the morning.

Pretty sad that I feel compelled to do this.

Opened again. Please keep it civilized
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: addidasf55 on May 05, 2015, 09:00:26 AM
Trott bottled it. Fact. Second time he'd copped out in his career. Fact.
I think people get so much into arguments and into trying to wind up folk they forget being decent people. Regardless of what you think of trott you need to remember that he's human like us.
Imagine being thousands of miles away from your family facing 95 mph thunder bolts everytime you walk out. Many players are mentally tough to cope with it but quite a few can't. The ones who can't are again split into two: ones who try to keep fighting a losing battle and the ones who try and seek help. Trott was fortunate and brave enough to be in the later group, to belittle it by calling it bottling is shameful. What would you rather he do? Keep struggling in that dark place? Is suicide more manly for you than seeking help.

Disgraceful, just stop and put yourself in other peoples shoes for once. I have thankfully never gone through anything like that but I've come across mental health issue a lot in my education and it's people like you who need to stop spewing crap and actually allow people who need help to come forward.

Just my two cents from last night
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Alvaro on May 05, 2015, 09:44:21 AM
Well put. Thanks for holding on to post.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: pidge on May 05, 2015, 09:44:43 AM
A quality player who has admitted himself he no longer has what it takes to play at the highest level.  He was a key part of what was arguably one of England's finest test teams and an under rated ODI player by many.  Shame some peoples opinions don't reflect this.  I hope he goes and scores a bucket load on the county scene.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: TangoWhiskey on May 05, 2015, 10:02:00 AM
Trott has been a fantastic servant to English Cricket and when all is said and done his contributions to the best England side I've had the pleasure of supporting in my 28 years speak far more loudly than events in the last 18 months or so. Whether you agree or disagree with his withdrawal from playing for England, there comes a time where every player finds his international career comes to an end. Unfortunately life isn't always rainbows and butterflies and not everyone can go out in a manner fitting to their career.

Did Don Bradman deserve to find those six runs he needed to finish with an average of 100? Absolutely. Is he any less of a legend because he didn't? Absolutely not. 
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Manormanic on May 05, 2015, 10:30:47 AM
Amla or Trott...yeah we got it right

Prince or Trott?
Peterson or Trott?
Rudolph or Trott?
Elgar or Trott?

Thats a whole lotta Trott...
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Ragamuffin on May 05, 2015, 10:35:08 AM
No disrespect to others but Gerry offers up some valid points but he could work on his delivery.be luclucky

Mental Health issues can be discusses elsewhere Jonathan has raised the question again.

Just be lucky you never suffer from such an illness and enjoy the sport we have.

Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Manormanic on May 05, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
I don't think anyone should belittle Trott for retiring - he clearly sensed the writing on the wall and wanted it to appear to be his own choice.  I don't think they should put him down for being available either - Darren Lehmann apart I don't imagine anyone has ever said "no, pick the other bloke, he;s just better than me".  The only criticism he deserves is for his stupid attempt to back track regarding the nature of his condition on the last Ashes tour.

But...

...looked as a picture of the state of English cricket, this just highlights how badly Moores has managed the past series.  A guy who wasn't an opener and was in any event 34 and playing 18 months after serious stress related issues was picked ahead of a younger, in form specialist; you can say what you like about the standard of the West Indies, the pitches etc but one thing is certain - this was the easiest out of the five series that make up the current cycle of international cricket, and not blooding Lyth (or whomsoever else?) now means that they have to come in straight into the bear pit - and, if they don't succeed, the guy who replaces them does too.  Thats just bad management...
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Manormanic on May 05, 2015, 10:38:19 AM
I have just come across this and as someone who has had depression due to circumstance (A mixture of institutional and emotional bullying - something I am not scared to talk about) I find the idea that Trott 'bottled' his career as rather insulting. I work with a former England cricketer, and having spoken to him on many occasions, the demands on a test cricketer, especially one with a young family, are incredible.

Couple that with the constant abuse the guy has to suffer, through sledging, insults from the uneducated and uncultured as well as being in the media spotlight, regardless if you consider them to just be 'part of the job', the question should be - "Why are more sportsmen not suffering with stress related illnesses??"

All valid points - the only reason Trott gets put down - at least in my opinion - is that where others such as Trescothick and Yardy dealt with their illues with candour and dignity, Trott put the whole cause back years when he insisted on childishly claiming that he hadn't suffered a mental illness at all...
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: FattusCattus on May 05, 2015, 10:46:27 AM
You make some prescient points Manor, and we salute you for the use of the word 'whomsoever'.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Manormanic on May 05, 2015, 10:48:37 AM
You make some prescient points Manor, and we salute you for the use of the word 'whomsoever'.

why thankyouvereemuch!
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Rob580 on May 05, 2015, 10:59:16 AM
I like Trott.

And potentially i think i like him more now. He came back when given the oppurtunity to see if he could still cut it. He can't, and he's been man enough to admit it.

Now, bring on the Kiwis.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: ppccopener on May 05, 2015, 10:59:36 AM
thank god for some sensible comments regarding one of our best players in recent years

the troll fest late last night shows how unpleasant some people are hiding behind a computer screen
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Wickets-then-runs on May 05, 2015, 11:14:51 AM
I remember Trott as the batsman hardest to dismiss when playing against us: despite him playing across the line on every ball on middle and leg, he relentlessly put us to the boundary. Whether it be age or otherwise, he was, at the time, in my opinion, the best no 3 in the world. His capacity and appetite for runs gave us (Aus) nightmares for the whole series! I would like to have seen him back in the team lower down the order to ease him back into International cricket as I still believe he has something to offer English cricket and could have strengthened the lower/ middle order.
As someone who remembers how potent you have been in the past, I wish you the very best for your future and look forward to seeing you watch on from the stands in the upcoming Ashes series.  ;)
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: L21 on May 05, 2015, 11:18:31 AM
Unbelievable comments on here regarding mental illness, regardless of whether it was proven or not.

The way I look at it is this:

Would I want to represent my country (or adopted country) at Elite Level? Yes.

Would I want to be away from my family, partner, friends, children (imaginary for this argument) for 6/8 months of the year? Not on your nelly!

Would I want to be in the media spotlight 24/7, be expected to be a role model and not being able to live a normal carefree life? Not a chance

Would I want to be in a position where I am expected to consistently perform at Elite Level for 10/15 years? Plain and simple, No.

For the most of us, we can have an off day and it will pass without much notice. Unfortunately when you are in the public eye, you are in a position where you are judged on every little aspect of your life.

I have enjoyed watching Trott as a player and always considered him one of England's nice guys. For me, it is the England selectors that have led to the end of Trott's career and in somewhat poor circumstances, not respective of his excellent career.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 05, 2015, 11:42:32 AM
Prince or Trott?
Peterson or Trott?
Rudolph or Trott?
Elgar or Trott?

Thats a whole lotta Trott...
Still talking outta your (No Swearing Please)?

Until Prince got injured and was forced to open, he was one of the best middle order batsmen in the world.
Peterson and Elgar specialist openers, Trott couldn't hack it as an opener.
You might have a point about Rudolph, but if he was so crap why did the Yorkshire board sign him up?
Trott wasn't good enough for SA. Period.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Manormanic on May 05, 2015, 11:55:21 AM
Still talking outta your (No Swearing Please)?

NAh mate, I leave that to you. 

Until Prince got injured and was forced to open, he was one of the best middle order batsmen in the world.
Peterson and Elgar specialist openers, Trott couldn't hack it as an opener.
You might have a point about Rudolph, but if he was so crap why did the Yorkshire board sign him up?
Trott wasn't good enough for SA. Period.

Prince wasn't one of the best anything.  At no point would he have gotten in the England side - and thats saying quite a lot.

I don't entirely buy the opening argument as regards the others but if you want to look at it that way - how many tests have you given JP Duminy now?  Because I'll wager noone is going to argue that he is better than Trott...
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Alvaro on May 05, 2015, 12:10:42 PM
Apropos of the troll, watching Prince and Duminy (try to) play Swann last time in South Africa was one of the funniest things I've seen.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: uknsaunders on May 05, 2015, 12:33:09 PM
Still talking outta your (No Swearing Please)?

Until Prince got injured and was forced to open, he was one of the best middle order batsmen in the world.
Peterson and Elgar specialist openers, Trott couldn't hack it as an opener.
You might have a point about Rudolph, but if he was so crap why did the Yorkshire board sign him up?
Trott wasn't good enough for SA. Period.

Rudolph - Yorkshire won the county championship when he left, need I say more.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: uknsaunders on May 05, 2015, 12:36:01 PM
Apropos of the troll, watching Prince and Duminy (try to) play Swann last time in South Africa was one of the funniest things I've seen.

Nearly as funny as Raina's 30 ball duck against Swann at the Oval. Anyone you thinks India play spin well (currently), should watch that :-)

We miss Swann  :(
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 05, 2015, 01:14:18 PM
All valid points - the only reason Trott gets put down - at least in my opinion - is that where others such as Trescothick and Yardy dealt with their illues with candour and dignity, Trott put the whole cause back years when he insisted on childishly claiming that he hadn't suffered a mental illness at all...

I seem to recall that when Trott returned from Oz he was told by a Psychologist he was suffering  from burn out.
It was not until much later that he was Diagnosed as suffering from situational anxiety I believe it it was called.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: amritpremi on May 05, 2015, 02:08:40 PM
IMO Trott was a great batsman, coming back into the International level he should have been playing a bit lower down the order, coming back and playing an opener was a big challenge, unfortunately he succumbed. I have a doubt, not too sure selectors wanted him to return to International cricket and play well for England or they gave him an opener slot to make sure he performs badly and never plays for the country again.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: TangoWhiskey on May 05, 2015, 03:34:16 PM
He should have been made to wait until a middle order slot opened up for him. For me, there was no difference between Trott's mental illness and a player losing his spot through injury.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: RoCo Da Pixie on May 05, 2015, 03:38:13 PM
Trott was a quality player for England, It is a shame he had the issues over in Australia. However England are at fault for shoving him back into the team as an opener. They should have put him in the middle order and gone that way.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 05, 2015, 04:18:04 PM
Apropos of the troll, watching Prince and Duminy (try to) play Swann last time in South Africa was one of the funniest things I've seen.
Best you got?

Is this the same overrated Graeme Swann whom was owned by Amla during the last series in England?
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Gerry SA on May 05, 2015, 04:21:05 PM
NAh mate, I leave that to you. 

Prince wasn't one of the best anything.  At no point would he have gotten in the England side - and thats saying quite a lot.

I don't entirely buy the opening argument as regards the others but if you want to look at it that way - how many tests have you given JP Duminy now?  Because I'll wager noone is going to argue that he is better than Trott...
Firstly I'm not your 'mate'

Secondly Ashwell Prince is South African, why would he want to slum it and play for a second rate team like England?

JP Duminy will end his Test career with more hundreds and a better average than Trott.
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: ppccopener on May 05, 2015, 04:25:42 PM
Have Admin ever closed a thread because the rest of us are fed up with it?
If not, now is a good time to break the mould.

sleep well SA Gerry with your Hansie Cronie wallpaper :)
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on May 05, 2015, 04:28:24 PM
Have Admin ever closed a thread because the rest of us are fed up with it?
If not, now is a good time to break the mould.

sleep well SA Gerry with your Hansie Cronie wallpaper :)


Can we not start a petition to just ban him and make the forum a nicer place in general?  :D
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: FattusCattus on May 05, 2015, 04:41:03 PM
You're the ones that keep responding to him.

Trolls can't breathe without oxygen!
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Manormanic on May 05, 2015, 05:56:28 PM
Firstly I'm not your 'mate'

Secondly Ashwell Prince is South African, why would he want to slum it and play for a second rate team like England?

JP Duminy will end his Test career with more hundreds and a better average than Trott.

Nope, you're right - I exercise standards in such things.  I meant it in the dismissive Australian manner.

I'm going to ignore you from now on - I suspect the entire forum is - but as a parting point for you to consider, so as you're really clear that you know nothing....Trott finished with a test average of 44.08 and Duminy is currently sitting on 36.57 and would be extremely lucky to regain his place in a first choice Yarpie XI.  To make up that kind of difference he'd need to average better than 52 for around 30 tests which, lets face it, is a bit mountain to climb for someone who, his first couple of tests apart, has always looked like a South African Moeen Ali, getting into the side because he can bowl a few not too filthy spinners. 
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Buzz on May 05, 2015, 06:37:04 PM
Ok, "normal" service can be resumed
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: CrickFreak on May 05, 2015, 07:29:36 PM
Nearly as funny as Raina's 30 ball duck against Swann at the Oval. Anyone you thinks India play spin well (currently), should watch that :-)

We miss Swann  :(

Another moronic comment .... you crack me up a lot... thanks for that
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: potzy248 on May 05, 2015, 10:21:21 PM
Unbelievable comments on here regarding mental illness, regardless of whether it was proven or not.

The way I look at it is this:

Would I want to represent my country (or adopted country) at Elite Level? Yes.

Would I want to be away from my family, partner, friends, children (imaginary for this argument) for 6/8 months of the year? Not on your nelly!

Would I want to be in the media spotlight 24/7, be expected to be a role model and not being able to live a normal carefree life? Not a chance

Would I want to be in a position where I am expected to consistently perform at Elite Level for 10/15 years? Plain and simple, No.

For the most of us, we can have an off day and it will pass without much notice. Unfortunately when you are in the public eye, you are in a position where you are judged on every little aspect of your life.

I have enjoyed watching Trott as a player and always considered him one of England's nice guys. For me, it is the England selectors that have led to the end of Trott's career and in somewhat poor circumstances, not respective of his excellent career.

What is this drivel? This is one of the worst posts I have read.

You want to be an international player but have none of the pressures that come with it? Almost every child dreams of playing for their country. As you grow and see that it might become a reality, you are under no illusions as to what a professional athlete has to endure (on and off the field). You are either prepared to be paid (sometimes millions) to do what you love, or you pull away and realise its not for you (I think Jesse Ryder maybe in that group). Time away from family, being in the public eye etc are all part and parcel of professional sport. If you are not prepared to make any sacrifices then you will only dream about playing for England!
Title: Re: Breaking: Trott retired from international cricket
Post by: Ragamuffin on May 06, 2015, 03:15:36 AM
It's Boland West Gerry A.