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Forum News and Suggestions => Old Advertisers => Admin Board => Vitas Cricket => Topic started by: Vitas Cricket on May 18, 2015, 05:05:46 PM
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We sell G1 for £250 with free UK delivery. I don't need to say much more other than 'why is this bat still here?!'
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Why did you have to show me this jake!
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Lovely even grains, shame about the 3 pin knots on the face that lets it down slightly.
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Yes I was interested till I had a close look at the pin knots.
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big bat for 2.7!!!
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Whats the pick up like?
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Whats the pick up like?
errr....at that weight I'd say "light" :D
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Yes I was interested till I had a close look at the pin knots.
Tiny little cosmetic imperfections are why she isn't a Pro model i guess. No impact on performance at all.
@skip1973 she feels light alright, like a wand :)
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I love H4l and this is indeed a lovely looking bat, but how is this a G1? no disrespect to Vitas and Jake I hope it sells mate.
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Sold :)
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I love H4l and this is indeed a lovely looking bat, but how is this a G1? no disrespect to Vitas and Jake I hope it sells mate.
I don't see how it isn't, its a great looking bat, if it was a Pro then maybe some grading questions could be asked.
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It is probably cheaper in the long run to take the hit and not have the question asked about grading.
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With the pin knots I would say it's grade 2, but everyone's grading. I've seen Gray Nics trying to claim grade 1 with much worse.
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If I put it in the shop I could comfortably sell it as grade 1, on both the lightness of the cleft and the rebound.
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http://www.cricketbatwillow.com/blades-grading (http://www.cricketbatwillow.com/blades-grading)
I judge my grading based on what JS Wright say. Grading of willow is done on looks only. (I'm not getting into density or crown willow for pros here) Grading doesn't take into account ping or pickup, its all about the looks of the willow. If you want to grade that way that's fine, but it's not the traditional way. The link above is JS Wrights take on all this.
A Grade 1 Blade
A Grade 1 is the best looking blade, though it will not necessarily play the best. There may be some red wood evident on the edge of the blade. The grain on the face will be straight and there will be a minimum of 6 grains visible. There may be the odd small knot or speck in the edge or back but the playing area should be clean.
A Grade 2 Blade
A Grade 2 blade is also very good quality and normally a larger amount of red wood can be seen on the edge of a blade, this has no effect on the playing ability of the bat it is purely cosmetic. Again there will be at least 6 straight grains on the face of the blade with maybe some blemishes, pin knots or “speck” visible, we also put the top 2% of the excellent quality butterfly blades that we get into Grade 2.
A Grade 3 Blade
The blade as it is supplied
This is a middle grade that is produced in much higher numbers than the top grades and it offers very good value for money. A Grade 3 Blade has up to half colour across the blade which again has no direct relation to the playing ability of the wood, it just has less visual attraction. There will be a minimum of 5 grains on the face of the blade which may not always be perfectly straight. Again some small knots or butterfly stain may be present with sometimes more prominent “speck”.
A Grade 4 Blade
A Grade 4 Blade is normally over half colour or contains butterfly stain (see our page on Imperfections in Willow). It will still play as well as the other grades. Any number of grains are possible with often only 4 grains, the willow containing ‘butterfly’ stain is very strong, there could also be more “speck” and other faults.
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Because this bat has pin knots it should automatically be graded as grade 2 in my opinion. This bat probably plays better than a lot of other grade 1s, and that is what a lot of people struggle to understand.
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Regardless of pin knots and any other blemishes.
I would struggle to explain spending £250 on a cricket bat, regardless of how good it is.
I would much rather the H4L brand than an off the shelf but still wouldn't spend this amount of money.
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[url]http://www.cricketbatwillow.com/blades-grading[/url] ([url]http://www.cricketbatwillow.com/blades-grading[/url])
I judge my grading based on what JS Wright say. Grading of willow is done on looks only. (I'm not getting into density or crown willow for pros here) Grading doesn't take into account ping or pickup, its all about the looks of the willow. If you want to grade that way that's fine, but it's not the traditional way. The link above is JS Wrights take on all this.
There is no industry standard for willow grading. JS Wrights happen To be the biggest willow merchant but that doesn't mean their opinion on grading is industry wide fact. GN grow and process all their own willow, completely outside the willow merchant model so can grade as they see fit. Matt at H4L doesn't use JS Wright, so shouldn't be judged on their system.
As I said, there is no industry standard, or regulatory body overseeing things and ensuring merchants/batmakers are grading fairly. To the point where if I chose to do so, I could put a handle into an old chair leg and sell it as grade 1. It is grade 1 because I, the bat maker, say it's grade 1.
Grading is all opinion, and the only opinion that matters is that of the bat maker and the buyer. People picking over pinknots etc from photos are not relevant at all.
Matt was obviously happy with the bat when he made it, so was I when I picked it out, and the buyer seems delighted too, nothing else matters and will only serve to take us round in circles as the grading debate has been done to death on the forum already.
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Each to their own. Knowing how much money goes into making bats, and the prices of willow clefts, I have no problem with someone asking that price for it. H4L make good bats.
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I think alot of the forum sponsors on here are pretty generous with their grading. Maybe because they are the little guys against the big boys? I have seen a number of bats purchased via this forum that get graded as G3/G2 that could easily pass as G1 at a few of the big companies.
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Surely the only person the grading matters to is the buyer. It's a simple choice - if you don't agree with the grading and it matters to you, don't buy the bat!
I've seen loads of GM originals I thought were poor so I didn't buy them. Simple.
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Although there's no industry standard the bat buying public will always pickup on pin knots blemishes etc therefore it is reverlent when it comes to grading and price regardless of what retailers say.
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Although there's no industry standard the bat buying public will always pickup on pin knots blemishes etc therefore it is reverlent when it comes to grading and price regardless of what retailers say.
If a retailer/manufacturer gets it wrong, the bat won't get sold. If the bat is sold, it's hard to argue that it was incorrectly graded, as someone has been willing to pay the cash for it!
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Although I agree in principle it's universally acknowledge that G1 willow should be among other things free of knots and blemishes
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Although I agree in principle it's universally acknowledge that G1 willow should be among other things free of knots and blemishes
I would agree, indeed I expect grade 1 to have no heartwood. However, I know others don't so they buy the bats and I don't!
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I would hope that g1 bats wouldn't have heartwood in. This is mainly so that anything with heartwood gets downgraded for me to buy at lower prices ;)
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Many years ago anything with heartwood was dismissed from being grade 1 straight away. Now its down to percentage. I like heartwood in my bats too, and prefer to be able to get them cheaper ;) Sarg and I talk a lot about bats and we often disagree with grading of bats. Sarg had one the other day and he thought it could sneak in as a G1 and I thought it was a G3 everyday of the week. I had a G2 once and Sarg was certain it was a G3. Each to their own, except pin knots in G1's ;)
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Yawn!
This grading debate comes up every couple of months or so and goes in the same circles each time.
If you like the bat and are willing to pay the asking price, go ahead.
If you don't agree with the grade or price, then don't buy it.
Simple
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Yawn!
This grading debate comes up every couple of months or so and goes in the same circles each time.
If you like the bat and are willing to pay the asking price, go ahead.
If you don't agree with the grade or price, then don't buy it.
Simple
Yes of course the buyer if he sees the bat as a choice
But it's not that simple is it
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I think it could be - I think it's us on here that over-complicate things.
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I think it could be - I think it's us on here that over-complicate things.
Bingo!
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I think it could be - I think it's us on here that over-complicate things.
Couldn't agree more!
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Couldn't agree more!
Agreed, perssonally think this is grade one and couple of tiny pin nots shouldnt be putting people off
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I agree.
This is a forum, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, as long as everyone ultimately agrees that mine is the right one.
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I agree.
This is a forum, and everyone is entitled to their opinion, as long as everyone ultimately agrees that mine is the right one.
I agree. Fattus is always right, except when he is wrong, which is most of the time :-)
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Also think that the grading of willow based on what's available at the time is wrong.
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Also think that the grading of willow based on what's available at the time is wrong.
I don't think there is any issue with it, its all relative isnt it. if the quality of willow is falling then the grades have to come down with it or grade 1 will become completely redundant.
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I don't think there is any issue with it, its all relative isnt it. if the quality of willow is falling then the grades have to come down with it or grade 1 will become completely redundant.
The problem is though as we are aware the bat buying public are then still paying top Money for grades of willow which were previously higher which means only the customer loses the retailers etc keep there profit margins a better system would be to have regulated quality grading standards and if willow or finished bats do not meet the standard then they should be graded priced and sold accordingly.
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The problem is though as we are aware the bat buying public are then still paying top Money for grades of willow which were previously higher which means only the customer loses the retailers etc keep there profit margins a better system would be to have regulated quality grading standards and if willow or finished bats do not meet the standard then they should be graded priced and sold accordingly.
Half agree with this, I feel the prices should come down if the quality of willow is diminishing but retailers still have to make ther money so it all rest on the willow merchant and the price of the raw cleft
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Circles? Going round in
Done to death etc
Pays your money takes your choice
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Circles? Going round in
Done to death etc
Pays your money takes your choice
Done to death not necessarily .