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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: 19reading87 on June 10, 2015, 11:13:42 AM
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Let's not get carried away from 1 good performance from Rashid, however over the last few years of county cricket would you pick him above Ali??
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I won't get a chance to see the highlights until tonight - so anyone who did see it, how well did he actually bowl? How many loose balls, did he turn it much, was he a handful?
I don't know what all the 'unselectable' (No Swearing Please) was, but I wonder if he will be one of these guys who gets better / more confident the more international cricket he gets?
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I won't get a chance to see the highlights until tonight - so anyone who did see it, how well did he actually bowl? How many loose balls, did he turn it much, was he a handful?
I don't know what all the 'unselectable' (No Swearing Please) was, but I wonder if he will be one of these guys who gets better / more confident the more international cricket he gets?
Not a friend of Moores or Cook by the sounds of it. Funny isn't it, Farbrace is in charge and in comes Rashid. I wonder if this was something else they didn't agree on?
Unless we are going to produce slow turners I can't see England dropping Ali or playing both spinners.
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Can we have option 3 - Strauss demands all pitches be grassless dustbowls to try to stop Johnson scaring our batsmen and then play two spinners?
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So I was at the game and I thought Rashid bowled ok. There were certainly a few full tosses and long hops but not too many.
However let be honest it was pretty easy circumstances for a leg spinner to bowl in with 400 on the board and the batsmen constantly looking to attack he was always going to pick up wickets.
When has Ali ever really had the chance to bowl with that kind of backing behind him?
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The way the aussies played bishoo in the first test he has to play. But then again cook clearly doesn't like him so he probably won't play.
Should have got a game in the west indies
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It's a tricky one. To my mind Rashid is a more natural fit at number eight - if Moeen is going to play he should really be batting higher up the order. Agreed that not giving Rashid a go in the Caribbean is looking like a pretty daft decision now.
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It depends on how you set up your team.
If you want your spinner to bowl maidens and do a holding job then Root could do it. If you want him to take wickets then Rashid might well be a better option to the right handers, but his googly makes it trickier for the lefties as well. If you attack with Rashid then one of the seamers needs to perform a holding role, bit like Watson does for Aus, just bowl a load of maidens to keep the pressure on from the other end.
Given how the aussies went after Swann, playing Rashid would make things more complicated for them but also present a few more freebies. Big difference though is England will have 5 bowlers instead of 4 so simply hitting one bowler out of the attack won't make as much difference.
You lose a bit on the batting side, but Ali hasn't exactly covered himself in glory in recent times - 0,58,8,58,43,1,2 = 170 runs @ 24.28. Who is to say Rashid couldn't average similar?
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If you look at a line up that goes:
Cook
Lumb
Ballance
Bell
Root
Stokes
Buttler
Adil
Wood
Broad
Anderson
How does it make you feel? I don't think the batting line up looks any weaker than it did with Ali in it, and I think the bowling line up is now stronger. You have Root that can bowl a few overs with his offspin, a proper spinner in the side in Adil, rather than a batsman being placed too far down the order who also bowls a bit of spin plus four quicks. I like the balance!
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More like the fact Rashid has a working googly and can beat the batsman on both edges. More chance of getting first innings wickets and knocking over tailenders.
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If you look at a line up that goes:
Cook
Lumb
Ballance
Bell
Root
Stokes
Buttler
Adil
Wood
Broad
Anderson
How does it make you feel? I don't think the batting line up looks any weaker than it did with Ali in it, and I think the bowling line up is now stronger. You have Root that can bowl a few overs with his offspin, a proper spinner in the side in Adil, rather than a batsman being placed too far down the order who also bowls a bit of spin plus four quicks. I like the balance!
Lumb?
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The line up I'd like to see (but probably won't) is:
Cook
Lyth
Bell (or Root)
Root (or Bell)
Stokes
Moeen
Buttler
Rashid
Wood
Broad
Anderson
Even more bowling options, and still tons of batting depth
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My friend commented that Rashid looked like he didn't care during yesterdays game, something I've read on here before following the ashes tour.
There are 2 problems Rashid may have to face if he does play:
When he comes on to bowl
& the Aussie score at that moment.
Cook brought Moeen on too late against New Zealand in the first test.
If the Aussie batsman are both settled at the crease they'll look to attack Rashid and unsettle his rhythm. Will Cook then take him out the attack and be scared to use him again?
Think Simon Kerrigan ;)
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Lumb?
Meant Lyth. Brain fart.
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Ali has Has had plenty of chances to show what he can do its now time for Rashid.
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Rashid is a confidence player - if he feels wanted then he will do just fine, but if he is messed around he tends to go pretty awry. Should he play? Yes, I think so - he's the bettr spinner and no worse a bat to my mind. Will he? No - his face does not really fit.
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Rashid is an attacking option not a bowl dry option. He turned the ball both ways and yes threw in some full tosses and half trackers. You are not going to beat the Aussies by playing safe with a Giles like stopper to rest the quicks. Are quicks aren't good enough. unlike 2005. So retain all the attacking options and just go for it, What we got to loose.
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Do not think he will although he should be. Gives us a variation of wrist spin that we have not had for a while and Joe Root is more than capable to bowl a few overs of Off break if required.
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I think Rashid adds a far better balance to the side. Turns it both ways and is a genuine number 8 bat.
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The line up I'd like to see (but probably won't) is:
Cook
Lyth
Bell (or Root)
Root (or Bell)
Stokes
Moeen
Buttler
Rashid
Wood
Broad
Anderson
Even more bowling options, and still tons of batting depth
That was my thinking, although I'd be tempted to go with Ballance rather than Bell in the long term. The issue is fitting Stokes and Moeen into the same side - they both slot in naturally at 6 and, seeing as both are primarily batsmen who bowl, putting one of them in at 8 is too low.
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The line up I'd like to see (but probably won't) is:
Cook
Lyth
Bell (or Root)
Root (or Bell)
Stokes
Moeen
Buttler
Rashid
Wood
Broad
Anderson
Even more bowling options, and still tons of batting depth
Balance for Moeen and give Root a bowl if needed.
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ECB have announced a 14 man pre-ashes training camp - Rashid is not named
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So why is this pre-ashes camp going to Spain to prepare for a cricket series ???
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Nothing I have seen about Rashid so far makes me think he wont be anything other than cannon fodder at test level.
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Nothing I have seen about Rashid so far makes me think he wont be anything other than cannon fodder at test level.
This is what I was thinking, give him time to improve through the ODI's first. Throwing him in at the deep end against the current Australian side won't end well...
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Nothing I have seen about Rashid so far makes me think he wont be anything other than cannon fodder at test level.
Didn't stop us playing Kerigan
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Didn't stop us playing Kerigan
Stopped us playing him twice.
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So why is this pre-ashes camp going to Spain to prepare for a cricket series ???
Trevor Bayliss' favourite drink is Sangria
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I can't see Rashid playing test cricket anytime soon.
I am not quite sure who is the next international spinner really.
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danny briggs to put a name out there.
It should really be Panesar but a bit sad to see how his career has gone so fast downhill.He is currently playing for Luton Indians with no hope of a game at Essex
there's various reasons i'm sure all of them play a part in ending up where he is, but it's sad and a waste as he has the talent, or def did have...
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Danny Briggs to put a name out there.
Hampshire see him as more of a One Day bowler, so as much as I'd like to see it I don't think he's going to be getting a go in the Test side any time soon. He seems to have fallen off England's ODI/T20 radar too :(
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Rashid in the test squad
Baylis says he'd like the flexibility of two spinners in the first test!!
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I feel a pointless list of names coming on:
1. Cook
2. Lyth
3. Root
4. Bell
5. Ali
6. Stokes
7. Buttler
8. Rashid
9. Wood
10. Broad
11. Anderson
Thanks for coming Gaz & Steve
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Rashid in the test squad
Baylis says he'd like the flexibility of two spinners in the first test!!
Ali is still first choice spinner.
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I feel a pointless list of names coming on:
1. Cook
2. Lyth
3. Root
4. Bell
5. Ali
6. Stokes
7. Buttler
8. Rashid
9. Wood
10. Broad
11. Anderson
Thanks for coming Gaz & Steve
That is what I would do. More likely to be Bell at 3 and Root at 4
I would have had Footitt in the squad ahead of Finn
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That is what I would do. More likely to be Bell at 3 and Root at 4
I would have had Footitt in the squad ahead of Finn
Bell 3, Root 4... Has to be!! I agree