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Title: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Buzz on July 08, 2015, 09:31:04 AM
Here we go.

England batting.
Eng: Cook, Lyth, Ballance, Bell, Roooooot, Stokes, Buttler, Ali, Broad, Wood, Anderson

Aus: Rodgers, Warner, Smith, Clarke, Voges, Watson, Haddin, Johnson, Starc, Hazlewood, Lyon

Stewie says the pitch is a massive road. 
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Post by: Sam on July 08, 2015, 09:33:48 AM
Is that some sunlight I see? In Cardiff...?
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Post by: wcc on July 08, 2015, 09:35:32 AM
England bat first, come on Cook & Lyth lets get the series off to a good start!
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Post by: skip1973 on July 08, 2015, 09:40:10 AM
Soo excited
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Post by: Sam on July 08, 2015, 09:47:45 AM
Hover cover went on just before that ad-break...
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Post by: procricket on July 08, 2015, 09:52:33 AM
Ponting has the worst hair dye in the world haha
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Post by: csnew on July 08, 2015, 10:00:45 AM
How about we get on with the cricket instead of this stupid flag parade!
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Post by: King pair on July 08, 2015, 10:02:03 AM
Cant fathom Watson being pick infront of Marsh
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Post by: liscon12 on July 08, 2015, 10:03:50 AM
To quote Bumble - "Get on with the Game!!!!!"
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Post by: sarg on July 08, 2015, 10:05:04 AM
Get on with it.
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Post by: ioand1988 on July 08, 2015, 10:08:53 AM
I'm going to the game on Saturday & Sunday. First time going to a test match. Does anyone who's been before know if you're allowed out of the ground, and then allowed back in again, during the lunch break and/or during a weather stoppage?

If not, then I'd better take a small bag with some food with me...


Thanks
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Post by: liscon12 on July 08, 2015, 10:12:53 AM
Oh great its started raining  :(
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Post by: ppccopener on July 08, 2015, 10:12:58 AM
delays just add to the nerves.

for the fans that is!!

thing is with cricket, you just don't know what is going to happen :)


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Post by: mattcoll12491 on July 08, 2015, 10:26:22 AM
Good start
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Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 08, 2015, 10:27:14 AM
Lyth gone  :(

How long until the press start calling for another new opener then?
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Post by: jwebber86 on July 08, 2015, 10:29:59 AM
Ballance almost gone there
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Post by: ppccopener on July 08, 2015, 10:30:49 AM
call me biased,as I go in number 1(when i'm not in a run drought!) but you have to persevere with opening batsman, it really is one good ball and youre out.....

we know our press thou don't we?
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Post by: SLC on July 08, 2015, 10:31:43 AM
He's Yorkshire though, so most of them like him. Can already hear boycott droning on about bairstow.
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Post by: jwebber86 on July 08, 2015, 10:33:23 AM
Mitch Johnson already on to bowl
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Post by: ppccopener on July 08, 2015, 10:46:57 AM
He's Yorkshire though, so most of them like him. Can already hear boycott droning on about bairstow.
Bairstow is quality.Hope he gets another chance maybe later this series or on the next tour. Just as an out and out batsman he's good enough

would put him ahead or hales or JT
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Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
Someone needs to tell Lyth it's not a one day game.

Trying to play too much there too early.

Basics costing England early.

Ballance looking jumpy
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Post by: csnew on July 08, 2015, 10:57:07 AM
Aggressive stuff from Clarke getting Lyon on early
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Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 11:02:18 AM
I think Clarke is trying to gain some control over his bowlers.

All he needs right now is to bowl at the stumps which Starc and Hazlewood are struggling with
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Post by: potzy248 on July 08, 2015, 11:04:16 AM
Please get out soon Ballance. He has to be the most negative batsman on the planet.
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Post by: skip1973 on July 08, 2015, 11:04:58 AM
I think Clarke is trying to gain some control over his bowlers.

All he needs right now is to bowl at the stumps which Starc and Hazlewood are struggling with
Yeah I agree, Aussies are being too impatient with the ball, trying for a wicket every ball.
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Post by: Phoenix on July 08, 2015, 11:05:28 AM
Jeez the pitch seems a bit two paced
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Post by: procricket on July 08, 2015, 11:13:49 AM
Hazelwood is a fine bowler.

OH DEAR
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Post by: jwebber86 on July 08, 2015, 11:14:24 AM
Good wicket for lyon
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Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 11:14:32 AM
Aussies need to realise this isn't a an Australian track and they have to graft for their wickets.

Bairstow must be pack his bags for the next test match as I can't see Ballance carrying on like this.

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Post by: wcc on July 08, 2015, 11:15:52 AM
Cook out oh dear.
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Post by: ppccopener on July 08, 2015, 11:16:15 AM
oh gawd, Clarke brings Lyon on far far earlier than anyone else would and gets a wicket.

it's not luck it's reading the game. Good captaincy from the Aussies...
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Post by: liscon12 on July 08, 2015, 11:16:17 AM
Why cut that close to your body?? Go well Bell
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Post by: TangoWhiskey on July 08, 2015, 11:17:13 AM
Need Bell to stand up and be counted today more than ever. Hope he's got it in him.
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Post by: Phoenix on July 08, 2015, 11:18:02 AM
What the hell is bell doing?
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Post by: csnew on July 08, 2015, 11:20:29 AM
Bell gone too. In trouble here.
Didn't review it
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Post by: wcc on July 08, 2015, 11:20:33 AM
Bell gone for nothing again!
Need a big score from Rooty here.
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Post by: calcurtis98 on July 08, 2015, 11:20:43 AM
Bell gone!
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Post by: TangoWhiskey on July 08, 2015, 11:21:47 AM
Oh look, he's out. I will forever associate his ten year tenure as an England player with soft runs. A couple of years after he's retired I will have long forgotten him. Absolutely no backbone in him at all.
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Post by: Muffin on July 08, 2015, 11:22:27 AM
Lots of weight on the shoulders of young root here - too much I fear
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Post by: csnew on July 08, 2015, 11:23:26 AM
Root's been dropped!
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Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 11:23:31 AM
Australians now pitching it up!

Didn't take them long to work it out.

Ian Bell horrifically out of form and probably become the scapegoat again.

Can England really afford to drop their number 3 and 4 (and possible even the number 1)?
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Post by: procricket on July 08, 2015, 11:24:20 AM
top over that
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Post by: calcurtis98 on July 08, 2015, 11:24:43 AM
Starc causing havoc!
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Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 11:26:18 AM
Hopefully Anderson, Broad and co are watching this!

Pitch it up and cause mayhem.

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Post by: ppccopener on July 08, 2015, 11:27:14 AM
yes but we need something for them to bowl at :)
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Post by: mattcoll12491 on July 08, 2015, 11:27:25 AM
Quote
You can't win a Test match on a first morning, but you can certainly lose it

I don't think we're quite ready for that quote, but we're near it
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Post by: Phoenix on July 08, 2015, 11:27:35 AM
Notice on that drop catch Watson at first slip doing everything possible to run away from the ball  >:(
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Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 08, 2015, 11:32:59 AM
What's happened?

England were 42-1 when I last checked the live score, I re-open it and they're 47-3
It's time for Bell to go, surely?
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Post by: ppccopener on July 08, 2015, 11:35:51 AM
would much rather he stuck around and guts out an ugly 40 when we needed it rather than a beautiful 50 when we don't.
He is fabulous to watch but this is test cricket and it's supposed to be tough.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 11:44:47 AM
Bell not looking like the same player he was the last few years.

Maybe dragging England through the last Ashes has taken its toll on him. Looked confident, but didn't apply this.


In other news... Does anyone know where Siddle is? Always has been a thorn in England's side. Does the KP dropping mean that Siddle will struggle to get wickets?
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Post by: Blank Bats on July 08, 2015, 11:52:24 AM
why would you win the toss and bat first in bowler friendly conditions, especially when you know the forecast is sunshine from tomorrow? 
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Post by: skip1973 on July 08, 2015, 11:56:42 AM
Cause looking at how variable the bounce is on the first morning batting last is going to be very tough.
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Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 08, 2015, 11:58:22 AM
Cause looking at how variable the bounce is on the first morning batting last is going to be very tough.

Imagine how hard it would be to play a decent leggy on this come day 5.
If only England had one of them... Oh wait, they do and he wasn't selected!
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Post by: tim2000s on July 08, 2015, 12:01:11 PM
Johnson is looking a little, erm, wild this morning.
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Post by: skip1973 on July 08, 2015, 12:01:47 PM
Dropping Ellen is looking costly.
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Post by: csnew on July 08, 2015, 12:02:54 PM
Runs flowing now! Could have been a far worse session.
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Post by: liscon12 on July 08, 2015, 12:04:24 PM
He bowls to the left
He bowls the riiiiiight
That Mitchell Johnson
His bowling is s**te
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: skip1973 on July 08, 2015, 12:05:15 PM
Aussies looked impatient, trying too much.
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Post by: tim2000s on July 08, 2015, 12:16:45 PM
 Runs only really flowing because we've lost three wickets and Root is now batting. That isn't right!
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Post by: joeljonno on July 08, 2015, 12:21:28 PM
Runs only really flowing because we've lost three wickets and Root is now batting. That isn't right!

From what I have read, the aussie bowlers are giving a lot of "hit me" balls too.
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Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 12:26:20 PM
The Aussies are trying a little to hard and producing hit me balls. Is this the plan though?

The Root chance could've easily gone to hands.

I can't understand Cook batting first when he knew our batting is struggling a bit.

It would've been nice to see the Aussies 3 down at lunch. Particularly both openers and Smith or Clarke.

Can't see Moeen being a success here, maybe the Aussies will smash him back to County obscurity like they did with Kerrigan and Woakes.

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Post by: Alvaro on July 08, 2015, 12:32:35 PM
Imagine how hard it would be to play a decent leggy on this come day 5.
If only England had one of them... Oh wait, they do and he wasn't selected!

I fear you've been caught up in the phoney war about Rashid.
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Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 01:10:41 PM
I think the Rashid debate is an interesting one.

We have struggled to blood a new spinner since Swann.

Personally I think England went off the boil due to their success during the 05 ashes and on wards. The result of this is that we are now currently in a lull where none of the players are quite good enough at Test Match level.

I honestly believe that trying to blood new players in during the Ashes is a poisoned chalice. If they wanted Rashid to play then he would of had to have played a part in the Windies and New Zealand.



 
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Post by: Neon Cricket on July 08, 2015, 01:18:30 PM
I honestly believe that trying to blood new players in during the Ashes is a poisoned chalice. If they wanted Rashid to play then he would of had to have played a part in the Windies and New Zealand.

Exactly, they clearly never had any intention of playing him in the Ashes. Personally I haven't got any issues with Ali so I don't see what all the fuss is about, he does a good enough job and can more than handle his own batting.
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Post by: wcc on July 08, 2015, 01:20:57 PM
50 runs for Root, touch wood but he is going very well here.
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Post by: Alvaro on July 08, 2015, 01:45:22 PM
Mitch J's average in England approaching 40. Currently 39.82.

stat from @thecricketgeek
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Post by: ppccopener on July 08, 2015, 01:47:44 PM
some of us could do worse than copy Ballance at the moment, clearly out of form but getting stuck in there and not giving it away-sticking to his areas

take note Ian Bell also please :)
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Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 01:53:14 PM
My work colleague has just dropped a Haddin-esq clanger.

How do Sky Sports measure the RPM on spin bowlers.

Google appears to be inconclusive, some say hawkeye, some say radar.

Nothing can actually provide an answer.

Is the system just a gimmick?



 
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Post by: mattcoll12491 on July 08, 2015, 01:56:00 PM
My work colleague has just dropped a Haddin-esq clanger.

How do Sky Sports measure the RPM on spin bowlers.

Google appears to be inconclusive, some say hawkeye, some say radar.

Nothing can actually provide an answer.

Is the system just a gimmick?

They have a guy watching that can count really really quick!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 01:59:55 PM
some of us could do worse than copy Ballance at the moment, clearly out of form but getting stuck in there and not giving it away-sticking to his areas

take note Ian Bell also please :)

I don't think Ian Bell has ever been a gritty run getter. The pressure seems to always get to him. Usually only scoring runs against very average bowling attacks.
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Post by: uknsaunders on July 08, 2015, 02:16:10 PM
They have a guy watching that can count really really quick!

Not really, I bet it's just a bit of maths. RPM is rev's per minute so 60 seconds. A delivery takes less than second to get down the other end, so I imagine Sky maybe have some software to slow mo the first fraction of a second out of the hand, count how many revolutions occurred and x 60 seconds/by the time elapsed . I guess somebody could be sat there counting it and banging a number into a keypad but it would be hard work doing it for 30 overs in a day.
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Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 08, 2015, 02:31:35 PM
Gritty 50 from Gary Ballance

He might not be in the greatest of form but he's stuck around and accumulated.
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Post by: SLC on July 08, 2015, 02:38:59 PM
And that's why ballance is already better than Ian bell.
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Post by: joeljonno on July 08, 2015, 02:39:05 PM

Not really, I bet it's just a bit of maths. RPM is rev's per minute so 60 seconds. A delivery takes less than second to get down the other end, so I imagine Sky maybe have some software to slow mo the first fraction of a second out of the hand, count how many revolutions occurred and x 60 seconds/by the time elapsed . I guess somebody could be sat there counting it and banging a number into a keypad but it would be hard work doing it for 30 overs in a day.

There'll be a simple computer program which can take a point of the ball as it leaves the hand, follow round one full rotation and calculate the total number it can do in one minute.


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Post by: Gurujames on July 08, 2015, 02:48:48 PM
Been watching the cricket with my old man. He is retired and is a season ticket holder at Somerset. Here are some of his quotes:
1 "Lyth is rubbish, I've seen much better opening batsmen this season at Taunton". "Like who?" I ask. "I can't remember their names" he replies.
2. "You have to play for either Lancashire or Yorkshire to be picked for England."
3. "Jos Butler is not a very good keeper. He can't bat very well either. He only left Somerset so he could play for England."
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Post by: smilley792 on July 08, 2015, 02:54:12 PM
I'm gonna try ignore the face palm moment in this thread.......



Root piling on the runs. The drop costing Aussies here. Root living up to his hype. Gerrysa's profile will be turning in its banned grave.

Balance digging in and showing runs against Aussies easier than nz, windies and the county side he's recently failed against.


Unfortunately I'm not sure England will make a dent on this pitch either. Draw on the horizon
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Post by: ppccopener on July 08, 2015, 02:57:14 PM
I don't think Ian Bell has ever been a gritty run getter. The pressure seems to always get to him. Usually only scoring runs against very average bowling attacks.
not sure that's right, he has scored runs against every attack so unless youre considering them all poor? didn't get many in his first big series-2005, but has scored pretty consistently.
But get your point,not sure if it's pressure but at Test level what Ballance has done today if far more valuable.
I know from reading many posts Bell is not a favourite on these boards and I can see why.
any cricket, batting especially, is what you can do for the team. Great to watch a fluid player in full flow but sometimes the more valuable players are the ones that get runs when it's difficult.
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Post by: uknsaunders on July 08, 2015, 03:01:08 PM
What's wrong with Ian Bell, next you'll be saying Ravi Bop isn't a ODI Legend!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: csnew on July 08, 2015, 03:11:29 PM
Ballance misses a half volley again
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Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 03:12:47 PM
Glad to see Ballance silencing the critics.

Stood strong in a really tough spell this morning, hopefully goes on now to make some real runs and cement his place. (Ballance wicket as I am typing.



In regard to Ian Bell, this is my personal opinion, in all honesty I like the guy as a player and when he is hot I don't think there are many better to watch as a batsman.

However, my memory is clouded by many Bell failures and also being of the generation when Bell has always been the scapegoat for any England failures. This may not be fact, but, my memories of Bell are a start of many failures, a middle of a lot of runs and unfortunately ending how he started. Hopefully the guy can shut me up in this series and score a match winning knock, but if his current form dictates, he won't be playing the 4th or 5th test match. 
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Post by: csnew on July 08, 2015, 03:21:02 PM
Roooooot!

Another brilliant 100, taken it to the Aussies!


Haddin's drop looking costly now  :D
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 08, 2015, 03:23:36 PM
ROOOOOOOOOOOOOT!

How sick do you think Haddin currently feels?  :D
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: uknsaunders on July 08, 2015, 03:23:53 PM
I've said on this forum before that Haddin keeps like his feet are glued together. Very costly and he missed a few chances on the last tour. Long way to go yet though!
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Post by: ppccopener on July 08, 2015, 03:24:41 PM
i'm a pretty big Bell fan to be honest but if you look at his career overall he certainly appears to benefit when someone else scores a ton, rather than going out and leading the way.
He batted well for England with Pieterson, perhaps playing second fiddle to a more dominant player.

He averages in the forties which is pretty good, but us old ones on the forum(!) would tell you flatter pitches,tests designed to last 5 days,no waqar/wasim/marchall/ambrose/donald etc etc probably put's 5-10 on your average.

So mid forties is good but certainly not great in todays game.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 08, 2015, 03:32:30 PM
I've said on this forum before that Haddin keeps like his feet are glued together. Very costly and he missed a few chances on the last tour. Long way to go yet though!

The poor bloke wanted one last Ashes series before he was put in a retirement home! Let's not be too critical of his footwork, he isn't allowed to field with his Zimmer frame, after all  ;)
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Neon Cricket on July 08, 2015, 03:35:10 PM
Glad to see Ballance silencing the critics.

Really? I wouldn't call this silencing his critics, yeah he stuck about but he's barely looked convincing at all - look at the speed Root scored compared to him, they were facing the same bowlers after all
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 03:38:10 PM
I can not stand the Sky Sports commentators,

Constantly reminding us we have an attacking middle order, Stokes, Buttler, Ali. Just makes it all the more embarrassing when we collapse.

Ali hasn't done anything significant recently. Buttler is hit and miss. Stokes now has the Freddie tag attached to him plus the pressure from the captain. Lots of weight on those young shoulders.

Hopefully we can put on another 150/200, but just because we have an attacking middle order doesn't guarantee we will hit runs.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 03:43:43 PM
Take into account one of the batsmen is in form and the other is horrendously out of form. Then continuing to bat through whilst the top 4 were walking back to the pavilion.

Maybe I was a bit premature saying he has silenced the cricket, but, that knock has probably given him some confidence back that he needed.



 

Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: joeljonno on July 08, 2015, 04:17:51 PM
Ballance scores his 10th 50 in 24 innings. Can't complain too much at that.


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Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: biffa on July 08, 2015, 04:18:48 PM
Warner to root? Interesting...

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Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Neon Cricket on July 08, 2015, 04:20:53 PM
Surely this is mind games more than anything haha
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: biffa on July 08, 2015, 04:22:51 PM
Has to be! Our tea lady does more with the ball!

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Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: csnew on July 08, 2015, 04:33:51 PM
Soft dismissal from root before the new ball. Looked like a tired shot.

Could lose a few here against the new ball
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 08, 2015, 05:24:48 PM
Looked as if Root was struggling.

Maybe with his back.

Hopefully nothing long term
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Vic Nicholas on July 08, 2015, 05:40:05 PM
This pitch is DEAD.

Dropping short is an utter waste of time as even cowards can hook a boundary on this deck.

Short of Australia having a brain fade batting collapse, you would think there are stacks of runs to be had on this pitch.

If this is an indication of the pitches we will be served up this series, it would seem that the ECCB are hoping for four dull draws and a hopeful Aussie brainfade somewhere for a win to pinch the series.

Mighty fine innings by Root today all the same. But easier to do when the fangs have been removed from the cobra as Smith and Kohli proved on the roads in Oz this last summer.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on July 08, 2015, 05:42:07 PM
This pitch is DEAD.

Dropping short is an utter waste of time as even cowards can hook a boundary on this deck.

Short of Australia having a brain fade batting collapse, you would think there are stacks of runs to be had on this pitch.

If this is an indication of the pitches we will be served up this series, it would seem that the ECCB are hoping for four dull draws and a hopeful Aussie brainfade somewhere for a win to pinch the series.

Mighty fine innings by Root today all the same. But easier to do when the fangs have been removed from the cobra as Smith and Kohli proved on the roads in Oz this last summer.

Quite agree, boring wicket so far, lifeless and not what cricket needs. No physical threat so batsmen are able to play the short ball with impunity
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Vic Nicholas on July 08, 2015, 06:05:32 PM
Quite agree, boring wicket so far, lifeless and not what cricket needs. No physical threat so batsmen are able to play the short ball with impunity

Seriously, Root is a class player on more challenging wickets than this one. What highlighted the placid nature of the pitch though was Moeen Ali hooking bumpers for four with all the time in the world. The same Moeen Ali who was shitting his pants facing the no more than lively medium pace of Ishant Sharma last northern summer.

If you love batathons, this is the pitch for you. Root was enjoying himself out there today...like batting in a benefit.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Seniorplayer on July 08, 2015, 07:14:10 PM
Quite agree, boring wicket so far, lifeless and not what cricket needs. No physical threat so batsmen are able to play the short ball with impunity

Let's not forget though there was some pretty poor bowing at Cardiff today .
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: 21wilsonj on July 08, 2015, 07:17:05 PM
Any thoughts on what , if any , changes should be made to the batting order , such as root to 3 and buttler or stokes moved higher up in the order as our current top 4 lack a certain spark and ability to score quick runs.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: 21wilsonj on July 08, 2015, 07:27:57 PM
also suggest your "dream" batting order , mine is
Ballance
Cook
Root
Bell
Buttler
Stokes
Bairstow (wk)
Ali
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Seniorplayer on July 08, 2015, 07:47:01 PM
Any thoughts on what , if any , changes should be made to the batting order , such as root to 3 and buttler or stokes moved higher up in the order as our current top 4 lack a certain spark and ability to score quick runs.

The thing is James there's a lots of overs in test cricket which means there's normally no need to score quick runs especially on the 1st day
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: potzy248 on July 08, 2015, 08:40:55 PM
If Ballance is the best number 3 you can find then I'm shocked. He's like watching paint dry, and thats bad for the paint.
Aussies bowled very poorly to him, I don't think they will make the same mistake for the rest of the series.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: 21wilsonj on July 08, 2015, 09:06:35 PM
@potzy248 exactly what i'm thinking. He hasn't gone big since at least the West Indies tests and i am not even sure he played well then. Today was OK with 61 but he was slow scoring and boring to watch.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Six Sixes Cricket on July 08, 2015, 09:14:52 PM
Fair play to ballance, did what he had to do, steady'd the ship. That's what England needed. From where we were in the morning we ended well. Great days cricket.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: ppccopener on July 08, 2015, 09:25:14 PM
Just seen the highlights as above Ballance did a job and i think batted pretty well
No its not pretty and he has limited shots but he held things together and showed he can battle throu some average form
Surely thats what you want to do as a top order batter?
The aussies have had a full day in the field and we are still batting day 2
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: jwebber86 on July 08, 2015, 09:25:40 PM
had a brilliant day at the cricket. my first ever test match. met @Aswani Cricket and had a chat in the shop and also @thebigginge at the grays nics stand. went back a couple of times trying to decide if i wanted to buy the powerbow players bat they had but eventually decided against it.

good fightback by england, ballance wasn't pretty to watch but he got the job done. root and stokes look really good in the middle order, very proactive trying to put the fielders on the back foot. hopefully they can take it over 400 in the morning would be a good job done then
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Ayrtek Cricket on July 08, 2015, 10:08:13 PM
Top day, typical English weather...raining on in the morning sunburnt in the afternoon.

Great ton by root and never looked rushed by anything Johnston threw at him, good support from Ballance and Stokes. Ali took game to them late on and all tee'd up for an exciting 1st session tomorrow.

Sadly Im not going over again but will be tuning in on the google box instead 👍😀
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Alvaro on July 08, 2015, 10:26:22 PM
Seriously, Root is a class player on more challenging wickets than this one. What highlighted the placid nature of the pitch though was Moeen Ali hooking bumpers for four with all the time in the world. The same Moeen Ali who was shitting his pants facing the no more than lively medium pace of Ishant Sharma last northern summer.

If you love batathons, this is the pitch for you. Root was enjoying himself out there today...like batting in a benefit.

Vic I've seen a fair bit of Mo bat, and last year he surprised me against the short ball. Really hadn't seen him troubled by it. It was almost as if he'd got himself caught between evading and playing, if that makes sense? He's gold, Mo, so talented. Once he gets confidence the presence will come too.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: skip1973 on July 08, 2015, 11:38:39 PM
Only watched till tea but gee we bowled ordinary, just expected to roll through them I think, didn't seem to bowl to any plan. Root batted very well once he got settled, balance looked like he could get out any ball but hung in. Aussies need to wrap tail up quickly, Aussies won't want that score creeping into the 400's.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 09, 2015, 08:30:04 AM
Any thoughts on what , if any , changes should be made to the batting order , such as root to 3 and buttler or stokes moved higher up in the order as our current top 4 lack a certain spark and ability to score quick runs.

We know England will not change anything, this line up is set in stone (excluding any injuries)

I wouldn't move Root, let the bloke settle, he may move down to 4 if Bell is dropped in the 4th/5th test, but what he is doing is obviously working.

I think Stokes and Buttler are too risky, they are fine playing shots lower down the order against tired bowlers, move them up and England could've been 50-5 yesterday and the game would've been a completely different. I think we scored enough runs at a good rate yesterday. England do not have a Warner in the squad, the only player I think capable of doing this would be Hales.

The only way I could see England scoring runs higher up the order would be calling up the Maverick, which we all know is not going to happen, the England team dynamic has changed, the top 4 are not going to put on runs quickly, however, if the plan works they will bat long enough to tire out the bowlers long enough for the likes of Root, Stokes, Buttler and Mo to hit quickly. 



I feel the Aussies didn't really go out with a plan yesterday, we made it so easy for them down under that they look a bit short of match preparation. Fielding was sloppy, bowling was erratic and I don't think Clarke ever gave his bowlers enough overs to get into a rhythm. I think they are going to struggle to justify Watson's selection unless he hits big runs. All though the media loves the hype and whipping up the Ashes, it looks as if the Aussies were really struggling with the ball yesterday, yes the pitch did not help and on a quicker pitch the edges would've carried. BUT they really didn't appear to have plan B which appeared to help England out.

Can't wait for today to start!   

 
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Alvaro on July 09, 2015, 08:32:09 AM
Put Ali at 5, play another bowler.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 09, 2015, 08:37:14 AM
Put Ali at 5, play another bowler.

I think if Mo goes on today to a good score then he may be inline for a push up the order. Don't forget Moeen is a batsmen who can bowl a bit, many people are being mislead into thinking he is a our front line spinner. I imagine Clarke and co will soon see to that.

However, what bowler would you bring in? If, Moeen is in the team then Rashid will not be. (I still think Rashid is there as a squad player and will not get a game)

If, you bring in Wood then you risk making the England tail a little longer and putting more pressure on the likes of Stokes, Buttler and Moeen.

Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Alvaro on July 09, 2015, 08:39:51 AM
Wood is already in the team...and is a better technical player than Broad. He's only at 10 because of stuffy English hierarchical B&S.
Rashid could then play as a luxury - his batting looks good for no.8 and it's a good way of seeing he can hack it... (Not like Stokes, but with a ball.) The Aussies Ashes team of '93 had two spinners in every Test. May was the steady offie and Warne the gamble. Worked okay for them.

Batsmen should be under pressure to score runs, it's their job.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: csnew on July 09, 2015, 10:23:12 AM
Broad rightfully standing his ground there! Ball's hit the ground
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: ppccopener on July 09, 2015, 10:32:55 AM
Broad stands his ground anyway even if he has smashed the cover off it!
haha :)
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Johnny on July 09, 2015, 10:36:09 AM
Haha! Good lad Mitch, acknowledging his ton
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: uknsaunders on July 09, 2015, 10:44:29 AM
Good effort from Johnson 0-111
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: ppccopener on July 09, 2015, 10:48:31 AM
I think it's fair to say there wont be any quick tracks in the series, they will be trying to dampen down the Oval as we speak :-)
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 09, 2015, 10:51:30 AM
Was I the only one who thought it was so obvious the ball hit the ground, even in real time.

Disappointed with Voges for claiming the catch.

Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: csnew on July 09, 2015, 11:01:18 AM
Johnson's been pretty poor for a while now.
Smacked around in the home test series, didn't have a great World Cup till the final, smacked around in the ipl and didn't look great in the West Indies.

Had Harris been fit don't think he would have got a game.

Ali goes for a decent 77
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 09, 2015, 11:07:05 AM
England's batting order is a strange one.

The opening pair is under constant scrutiny. This current pair has the potential but it hasn't quite 'clicked' yet.

Number 3 and 4 aren't firing right now. Ballance is still under the microscope in the early part of his career and Bell hasn't been in form for about 18 months. I want Ballance to come good, but I think we know Bell isn't a pressure player.

Numbers 5 to 8 are among the best in the world! Root, Stokes, Buttler and Ali are exciting players and the future.

9 to 11 are tail enders, there's the potential to wag but it's a bonus not a given.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Phoenix on July 09, 2015, 11:07:38 AM
Good to see everyone has been on their best behavior so far
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: csnew on July 09, 2015, 11:13:58 AM
430 all out. Decent effort from starc.

Reckon Warner might just tee off on this pitch
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 09, 2015, 11:18:17 AM
430 all out. Decent effort from starc.

Reckon Warner might just tee off on this pitch

It's a slow pitch, so I can see Warner will either sky one early on if he doesn't have a look, or be in for a big one if he get's to grips with it.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 09, 2015, 11:19:13 AM
Really can't stand the review system at the current time.

Probably lost an over in the time it took them to discuss the Anderson glove. Not massive in the scheme of things but for something that seems pretty clear cut, why take so long?

Yes, there was a noise when the ball passed the glove, however, nothing significant to change the on field decision.

The review system was implemented to erase any umpiring shockers. However, it seems to be that using a review for the sake of it is becoming all too common, a bit like the LBW yesterday, Clarke took a review knowing full well the reviews reset the next ball.



 
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: uknsaunders on July 09, 2015, 11:23:31 AM
Plenty of swing on offer and ought to suit Anderson. Only saw a little of the cricket but Aus couldn't bowl a length, it was too full or too short.

Starc swings the ball almost out of the hand which isn't good against batsman who should know how to play swing. The ball has to swing late to be truly effective. That's an opinion from playing at club level though!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 09, 2015, 12:53:20 PM
What a terrible decision from the umpire, making my last post redundant.

Always outside the line.

England bowlers are struggling here. Unsure why they haven't come around the wicket especially with the ball swinging.

Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Vitas Cricket on July 09, 2015, 12:59:12 PM
Interesting Shrey/Masuri Stemguard hybrid from Rodgers.

Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Jenko on July 09, 2015, 01:12:06 PM
Gotta love Joe Roots sympathy for Cook getting hit in the Crown Jewels!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: eddiec on July 09, 2015, 01:14:08 PM
...and Smith edges it into middle stump?
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Alvaro on July 09, 2015, 01:20:16 PM
Gotta love Joe Roots sympathy for Cook getting hit in the Crown Jewels!!!!!!!

That's possibly the end of that particular 'right kind of family'...
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: wcc on July 09, 2015, 02:27:31 PM
The big wicket of Smith!!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 09, 2015, 02:46:45 PM
As well as England batted (after the start they got off to) I can't help but feel Australia are in the better position here.
 
Trailing by 285 at tea on the 2nd day with 8 1st innings wickets in hand, England need to do something in the last session today to swing it back in their favour.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: wcc on July 09, 2015, 02:48:42 PM
As well as England batted (after the start they got off to) I can't help but feel Australia are in the better position here.
 
Trailing by 285 at tea on the 2nd day with 8 1st innings wickets in hand, England need to do something in the last session today to swing it back in their favour.
Does feel that way at the moment to me, big session coming up!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Neon Cricket on July 09, 2015, 03:25:11 PM
Interesting Shrey/Masuri Stemguard hybrid from Rodgers.

Spotted that, I'd presume Masuri have got patents on the design haven't they?
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: edge on July 09, 2015, 03:57:53 PM
Spotted that, I'd presume Masuri have got patents on the design haven't they?
Haven't been able to find a good photo of it but even if they have, nothing to stop Rogers getting hold of a stemguard and fitting it onto a Shrey if that works. Guess he just doesn't like the new masuri lids.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: smilley792 on July 09, 2015, 05:20:57 PM
We're the Aussies expecting a walk over?

There bowling was poor. As if they expecting to steam through us.

There batting seems very impatient too.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Vic Nicholas on July 09, 2015, 05:51:53 PM
We're the Aussies expecting a walk over?

There bowling was poor. As if they expecting to steam through us.

There batting seems very impatient too.

Only Warner could say that he was dismissed by a remotely good ball - and even then, he could have easily left it rather than wafting at it.

All the rest should hang their heads in shame as they threw their wickets away through stupidity. Smith, Clarke and Voges all batting like they were in a one dayer (it is five days guys, it's OK to play out maidens) and Rogers tried to manufacture a shot to a ball that was too full to attempt a cut - obviously a sign of nerves in the 90's.

The pitch is offering nothing to the bowlers. As accurately as the English bowlers bowled at times today, the pitch offered them nothing and ultimately the Aussie batsmen gave their wickets away because of their big egos.

Dumb cricket. But I am sure they will learn from the error of their ways.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: csnew on July 09, 2015, 08:38:24 PM
On the verdict, saying that Starc has a ankle injury. Another aussie bowler biting the dust?
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Sam on July 09, 2015, 08:45:40 PM
On the verdict, saying that Starc has a ankle injury. Another aussie bowler biting the dust?

My view was if it was very serious they wouldn't have risked bowling him especially when into the tail.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: FattusCattus on July 09, 2015, 08:51:59 PM
Boycott said in his TMS round-up he thought he had a front foot injury, so I wonder how much that is true?
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Seniorplayer on July 10, 2015, 09:28:27 AM
Starcs bowling didn't deserve a five for
The shot regal Smith got out to was village cricket.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: skip1973 on July 10, 2015, 09:33:32 AM
Starcs bowling didn't deserve a five for
The shot regal Smith got out to was village cricket.
So you agree Balance didn't deserve 61?
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: procricket on July 10, 2015, 09:40:59 AM
I thought starc bowled well in patches and bowls wicket taking balls, Ballance was not dropped yes rode his look this is test match cricket against the way side in the world.

Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: skip1973 on July 10, 2015, 09:44:14 AM
I thought starc bowled well in patches and bowls wicket taking balls, Ballance was not dropped yes rode his look this is test match cricket against the way side in the world.
He is still inconstant, his red ball cricket isn't as good as it should be.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Neon Cricket on July 10, 2015, 09:54:34 AM
The shot regal Smith got out to was village cricket.

Just very good bowling IMO - saw Smith coming and fired it down leg for the stumping, not much else Smith could've done other than smother it
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 10, 2015, 09:56:28 AM
Ballance didn't deserve a 61, however, he stuck around long enough to achieve one, think of that what you will.

Same as Starc, probably didn't deserve 5 for, but stuck at it and managed to achieve it. Don't be surprised if Broad bowls a load of tosh but picks

Glad to see Saint Smith failing, had enough of the stories backing him, no doubt he is an excellent cricketer but doesn't guarantee he is going to hit a shed load every innings.

To get runs on this wicket players are going to need to graft, just look at Rogers, Root, Ballance and Moeen. Batted well but not without luck going their way on numerous occasions.

Bring on day 3

Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: uknsaunders on July 10, 2015, 09:58:39 AM
Is Starc injured?, all I see is news about the injury on day 1 and he bowled day 2.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: wcc on July 10, 2015, 10:00:53 AM
Just very good bowling IMO - saw Smith coming and fired it down leg for the stumping, not much else Smith could've done other than smother it
How i seen that also, fired it down leg and the positon Smith had got into he couldnt get his feet across so just hung the bat at the ball.

Big morning coming up here, we all know how England are at wrapping up the tail  :-[
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: csnew on July 10, 2015, 10:14:44 AM
Watson must have the worst record with reviews! Gone lbw again
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 10, 2015, 10:16:20 AM
Watson LBW again, is there anything that bloke won't review?
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Seniorplayer on July 10, 2015, 10:18:23 AM
So you agree Balance didn't deserve 61?

The thing about balance is that he's not the most graceful he looks as if most balls are going to get him out but he is a gritty player who is prepared to and does battle hard for his runs without doubt he deserved his 61 and after doing all the hard work probably more.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Alvaro on July 10, 2015, 10:18:41 AM
To be fair, he was unlucky this time.

Poor bloke. Enjoying McGrath whingeing about it though.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: wcc on July 10, 2015, 10:20:46 AM
Just mentioned on TMS that is the first ever time in a Test innings that numbers 3 - 6 have all been dismissed in the 30's.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: csnew on July 10, 2015, 10:27:13 AM
Lyon gone too. Decent morning so far.

Could knock them over cheaply and get a good lead
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on July 10, 2015, 10:39:51 AM
Hopefully board umpires and players are watching.. Watson plants on off and it Literally JUST hits the stumps... Yet board umpires give you out on middle to leg!!

WATCH how few actually hit please umpires
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: wcc on July 10, 2015, 10:48:22 AM
Haddin always seems to get runs against England so need to get him out.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 10, 2015, 10:49:11 AM
Was that the first sign of a frayed temper by Mr Haddin there?
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Akewstick on July 10, 2015, 10:55:33 AM
Hopefully board umpires and players are watching.. Watson plants on off and it Literally JUST hits the stumps... Yet board umpires give you out on middle to leg!!

WATCH how few actually hit please umpires

Don't let it hit your pad.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: wcc on July 10, 2015, 11:00:46 AM
Haddin gone! Great stuff Jimmy.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: uknsaunders on July 10, 2015, 11:01:51 AM
Haddin gone! Great stuff Jimmy.

Never had a clue in the 8/9 balls Anderson bowled. Was all over the shop against quality swing bowling.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 10, 2015, 11:05:17 AM
Lets not allow a wag here!

We have them in a good position.

Get 45 minutes before lunch and then declare with a lead of 450 by tomorrow evening, Sunday morning.



Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: liscon12 on July 10, 2015, 11:12:11 AM
Wouldn't like to bat on this last although is it going to get any worse?
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 10, 2015, 11:13:46 AM
He heaves to the left,
He heaves to the right,
That Mitchell Johnson,
His batting is not particularly good.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: liscon12 on July 10, 2015, 11:16:03 AM
Yes you beaut Rooty!!! well in the driving seat now, another 300 runs then bowl them out  :D
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 10, 2015, 11:17:26 AM
Well wrapped up by England.

Now a chance for Cook and Lyth to get a score.

Surely Starc is struggling and the others were poor.

Real chance here!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 10, 2015, 11:17:53 AM
Aussies 308 all out.
That couldn't have gone any better for England really.

I'd even go as far as to say I'm feeling optimistic at the moment  :D
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: csnew on July 10, 2015, 11:45:51 AM
Good job to bowl them out for 308 on this wicket.
Hopefully bat aggressively and set them a massive score.

Starc not taken the field and not taken the new ball. Must be a massive doubt with back to back tests.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 10, 2015, 11:50:52 AM
Starc coming on to bowl. Not looking comfortable.

Could be costly if they knacker him out for the next test or two.

Aussies haven't really got anyone to back him up today.

England need to attack here
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: csnew on July 10, 2015, 11:52:21 AM
Cook gone to starc. Poor shot!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 10, 2015, 11:54:08 AM
That is not what England needed right now.

Could be a costly mistake by the skipper.

Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: uknsaunders on July 10, 2015, 11:58:19 AM
Stupid shot by Cook with 7 mins until lunch. Wide swinging full ball he should of left alone.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Akewstick on July 10, 2015, 12:35:27 PM
I agree with George Dobell's last article, annoyingly. Cook doesn't need to go and bat like adam gilchrist because people have said they play too defensively. We've done the right thing actually getting some fast scorers into the middle/lower middle order. Can't help thinking he's scared of going at 30 Strike Rate nowadays when in fact, especially when you're in your second innings on the third morning, we could quite easily take that from the openers.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: csnew on July 10, 2015, 12:49:44 PM
Throwing the lead away here. Ballance goes for a duck
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: L21 on July 10, 2015, 12:53:12 PM
This is Ian Bell's chance.

Run's on the board, needs a score to keep the media off his back.

Would be good to see Lyth make a score as well
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: farnham_quins_2 on July 10, 2015, 12:58:31 PM
Interesting discussion during lunch on TMS about trigger movements. Bits of interview with Cook, with Alec Stewart in the studio.

Here's hoping these 2 guys stay in for a while!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: edge on July 10, 2015, 01:14:07 PM
Only a poor shot from Cook because he hit it in the air, should be putting those away.

Can't believe Ballance is getting stick - if he can make 61 when he's bang out of form and we're at 43-3, then fair play to him, well stuck at it.

185 ahead already, getting slightly nervous as I've got tickets for day 5...
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 10, 2015, 02:31:27 PM
Is this situation tailor made for our middle order? Bell & Root to build the lead, paving the way for a Stokes, Butler & Ali onslaught to take the lead past 500 before lunch tomorrow
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: deanoknight on July 10, 2015, 02:59:54 PM
I notice there isn't  great deal of credit going to bell, almost as if people want him to fail.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: RoCo Da Pixie on July 10, 2015, 03:01:28 PM
Problem with Bell is he always does this. Bats well in the 2nd innings when the pressure isn't on him. Lead of 150+ before he bats. He knows he can go and bat freely with little pressure.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: deanoknight on July 10, 2015, 03:04:15 PM
Got a decent ball in the first innings. Not excusing his poor run of form and its good to see Australia are bowling him back into form
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Alvaro on July 10, 2015, 03:04:24 PM
Problem with Bell is he always does this. Bats well in the 2nd innings when the pressure isn't on him. Lead of 150+ before he bats. He knows he can go and bat freely with little pressure.

really, the daggers were really out. this is a really good knock under pressure.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: TangoWhiskey on July 10, 2015, 03:14:05 PM
really, the daggers were really out. this is a really good knock under pressure.
The lead was best part of 200 before he came in. That's about a little pressure as you get in a big test match.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: RoCo Da Pixie on July 10, 2015, 03:21:08 PM
The lead was best part of 200 before he came in. That's about a little pressure as you get in a big test match.

I agree when has England been 2 or 3 down for not many for then Bell to score big and get them out of trouble like Root has done in the past year.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Buzz on July 10, 2015, 03:21:24 PM
McGrath praying for rain with Jim Maxwell on the radio... hahahahahahahahaha!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 10, 2015, 03:27:35 PM
Bell falls, Stokes in.
Time to tell the batsman its a T20 situation?  ;)
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Buzz on July 10, 2015, 03:35:21 PM
2 days and a session to go? erm no need. bat until lunch tomorrow.
Key is to ensure that Starc can't play at Lords and for Johnson Hazlewood to be shattered too.

long series this over a short period.

50 for Roooooooooooooooooooooooot
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 10, 2015, 03:37:24 PM
2 days and a session to go is why I was thinking go in for a good time.
Big lead, demoralised Aussies having to keep retrieving the ball, declare after 5 overs tomorrow just for the sake of getting them out in the field again!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: InternalTraining on July 10, 2015, 03:55:49 PM
Benji got lucky with the LBW shout. This is day 3 and England has a 300+ lead. Test cricket baby, love it!!!!!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: InternalTraining on July 10, 2015, 03:58:18 PM
2 days and a session to go is why I was thinking go in for a good time.
Big lead, demoralised Aussies having to keep retrieving the ball, declare after 5 overs tomorrow just for the sake of getting them out in the field again!

400+ lead would be good for declaration. AUS have an incredibly talented side and their batters can chase down a 300+ score.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Alvaro on July 10, 2015, 04:13:03 PM
McGrath praying for rain with Jim Maxwell on the radio... hahahahahahahahaha!

5-0 still on
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: smilley792 on July 10, 2015, 04:42:04 PM
England making a hash of this now
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: edge on July 10, 2015, 04:43:15 PM
England looking supremely casual at the moment, good lead but not yet safe with so much time left in the game.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: smilley792 on July 10, 2015, 04:49:58 PM
Broad perishes.

Aussies could be batting again tonight at this rate!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Johnny on July 10, 2015, 04:52:00 PM
England batting is brainless and blase, as if they think they've won the game already. Plenty of time left in the game though and only needs a big partnership from the Aussie top 3-4 and it will be twitchy bum time
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: csnew on July 10, 2015, 04:54:04 PM
All of England's batsmen have thrown their wickets away. All well and good batting aggressively but take some time out of the game! Keep Australia in the field for at least a session.

The Aussies must be loving all the shots being played and wickets being gifted. Hopefully Ali can get it up to 400 again
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Disco on July 10, 2015, 05:15:51 PM
Not sure this is the most intelligent cricket by England, it's setting the match up nicely but I'd prefer 450+ and a bit more time out of the game.

That said that's a lovely strike from Wood!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: roco on July 10, 2015, 05:32:04 PM
Wood definitely needs to be ahead of broad next test
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Seniorplayer on July 10, 2015, 07:16:48 PM
Anyone else think jimmy was magic this morning with the new ball.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Seniorplayer on July 10, 2015, 07:25:55 PM
Stupid shot by Cook with 7 mins until lunch. Wide swinging full ball he should of left alone.

I think The problem is Cook feels that as part of this new aggressive risk  taking England he is trying to show  he can score quick runs which is not his natural way of batting nor does he need to do so he needs to hang in there and ensure Balance and  bell are not exposed to the new ball early.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: trypewriter on July 10, 2015, 07:53:40 PM
Not sure this is the most intelligent cricket by England, it's setting the match up nicely but I'd prefer 450+ and a bit more time out of the game.

That said that's a lovely strike from Wood!

Me too - I wanted 500+ - bat them out of it!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: tim2000s on July 10, 2015, 07:55:49 PM
I think part of the issue is the forecast for Sunday isn't great. Score runs quick and try to get them out before then.


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Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: skip1973 on July 10, 2015, 11:23:55 PM
Anyone else think jimmy was magic this morning with the new ball.
Almost unplayable, Haddin had no answer.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on July 11, 2015, 08:58:49 AM
Why is everyone taking like this is a foregone conclusion?
I still think the Aussies could pull this off, they have the time and the batting at their disposal.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Seniorplayer on July 11, 2015, 09:06:19 AM
2 days and a session to go? erm no need. bat until lunch tomorrow.
Key is to ensure that Starc can't play at Lords and for Johnson Hazlewood to be shattered too.

long series this over a short period.

50 for Roooooooooooooooooooooooot

Yes with the next test 4 days after the finish of this one forget playing gungho cricket the Aussie bowlers should have been kept in the field and get a lead of 450 Starcs carrying an injury and although he gave  it is all Johnsons looking tired.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
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Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: iand123 on July 11, 2015, 09:49:09 AM
Ha wonder if Mr Watson's contract is up soon?
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
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I wouldn't think he could use that in an international game. Too wide for a start and I thought al bats had to made of wood?
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on July 11, 2015, 10:05:17 AM
Let's hope for a much better wickets for the next four tests otherwise we could keep seeing fast bowling negated and easy runs. Ashes should be a hard test, not this easy
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Uzi Sports on July 11, 2015, 11:13:24 AM
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Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: InternalTraining on July 11, 2015, 12:47:09 PM
Steven Smith's New Balance (NB) is not his usual shape. It looks more like a H4L bat. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: skip1973 on July 12, 2015, 12:43:20 AM
Well that was a paddling, my predictions gone already. That was Watto's final chance for me, I also don't think we can have the 2 left armers, Siddle will need to come in if Marsh plays. I would nearly drop Haddin as well, these aren't panic moves, they are the fringe decisions that were close in the first game but we can't afford to let it slide too long.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: potzy248 on July 12, 2015, 02:44:24 AM
Watson will go. I'd bring in Cummins but they will bring in Siddle.
Haddin will see out the rest of the tour and then retire.

Australia way too arrogant and cocky. Can't wait for the 2nd test.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: brokenbat on July 12, 2015, 02:49:04 AM
Australia's last three games on slow tracks: lost by 300+ runs, 200+ runs and now, 100+ runs. First two games were vs pak in uae, but shows a pattern of absolutely sucking on slower tracks.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: potzy248 on July 12, 2015, 04:10:31 AM
Australia's last three games on slow tracks: lost by 300+ runs, 200+ runs and now, 100+ runs. First two games were vs pak in uae, but shows a pattern of absolutely sucking on slower tracks.

Those WI pitches weren't the fastest and they did alright over there.
Still, I think Aussie would admit they are not the best on slow decks.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Wickets-then-runs on July 12, 2015, 06:41:29 AM
Bit of a difference between the quality of bowling attacks...
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: procricket on July 12, 2015, 07:25:14 AM
I thought England bowled as a pack similar to 2005 without the pace and fire.

Let's be honest Australia will come back all guns blazing but the same questions about some of there batsman who have never done well in England remains.

Shaping up to be a cracker series I was worried it would be a anti climax after the New Zealand series
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: potzy248 on July 12, 2015, 10:25:06 PM
I thought England bowled as a pack similar to 2005 without the pace and fire.

Let's be honest Australia will come back all guns blazing but the same questions about some of there batsman who have never done well in England remains.

Shaping up to be a cracker series I was worried it would be a anti climax after the New Zealand series

I think Aussie were very average.
Rogers now has a real problem with squaring up.
Watson is rubbish
Haddin is rubbish
Michael Clarke has not really shown much for the last 12 months and has a problem with the short ball.

Get Warner and Smith early and England will be licking their lips.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: potzy248 on July 12, 2015, 10:25:59 PM
Bit of a difference between the quality of bowling attacks...

Well you did say last 3 games.
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: procricket on July 12, 2015, 11:08:53 PM
I think Aussie were very average.
Rogers now has a real problem with squaring up.
Watson is rubbish
Haddin is rubbish
Michael Clarke has not really shown much for the last 12 months and has a problem with the short ball.

Get Warner and Smith early and England will be licking their lips.

As i said and was laughed at long time ago fragile batting line up especially in England conditions.

Root and Williamson look a class apart from any of the others so far this summer
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: potzy248 on July 13, 2015, 03:08:01 AM
As i said and was laughed at long time ago fragile batting line up especially in England conditions.

Root and Williamson look a class apart from any of the others so far this summer

True true...You can stop going on about it now  ;)

Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: ajmw89 on July 13, 2015, 08:15:17 AM
Love how Lehmann has been moaning about how little juice was in the pitch.  Seemed like a typical Cardiff pitch to me.  Besides, there was something in it for the seamers, they just didn't have the knowhow to extract it...  Mark Wood could bowl bouncers, yet he's the shortest fast bowler on the pitch!
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: uknsaunders on July 13, 2015, 08:24:14 AM
Love how Lehmann has been moaning about how little juice was in the pitch.  Seemed like a typical Cardiff pitch to me.  Besides, there was something in it for the seamers, they just didn't have the knowhow to extract it...  Mark Wood could bowl bouncers, yet he's the shortest fast bowler on the pitch!

What does he expect, us to prepare wickets to suit Australia?
Title: Re: Cardiff - Ashes 1st test
Post by: Seniorplayer on July 13, 2015, 08:46:05 AM
I think Aussie were very average.
Rogers now has a real problem with squaring up.
Watson is rubbish
Haddin is rubbish
Michael Clarke has not really shown much for the last 12 months and has a problem with the short ball.

Get Warner and Smith early and England will be licking their lips.

Also due to the way Warner and Smith play bowlers always have an opportunity to get there wicket early in there innings.