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Title: Backlift height
Post by: Kulli on August 11, 2015, 09:57:22 AM
Over the winter the clubs new skipper had asked me about having a go at opening the batting as both the guys in who did it last year had struggled a bit and I'm probably one of the more technically correct and patient batters in the side. I never changed much, just practiced again the new nut in nets and looked to play a touch later.

This has all gone pretty well and I've got 350 or so @ 30ish in the first half of the season, but I've found that once I get in I'm really struggling to go on and dominate. I had a bit of a think about it at training last week and wondered if I should be looking to lift my bat a bit higher again once set (or the ball is a bit older) is this something anyone else has done/considered. I certainly found striking the ball cleanly in nets a lot easier once I did.

All inputs appreciated.
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: tom line on August 11, 2015, 10:19:36 AM
At the end of it the only real way your going to find out whether it will work for you is trying it in a match situation. I sometimes choose to change the height of my backlight dependent on the conditions and the bowler. If the bowler is fast and the ball is swinging I use a shorter backlift so the bat has less of a way to go so I don't get done for pace and equally so I don't play too. Far out infront when it is swinging as I find with the higher backlift I get more momentum through the swing so can end up too far in front. However this is useful against slower bowlers as you can get more momentum through the shot when trying to force the ball when there's not too much pace to work with
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: Seniorplayer on August 11, 2015, 10:42:47 AM
Weather you lift your back lift higher depends  on how high are you currently picking up your bat I open the batting and start waist high against the new ball  as the ball gets older I go higher the thinking is greater bat speed you dont have to pick the bat up only bring it down also high bat lift helps when leaving the new  ball outside off stump which I do quite a lot.
As you are striking the ball in the nets with an higher bat lift you will do so outside. Just be aware of the quicker ball.
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: jamferg on August 11, 2015, 10:45:31 AM
Bat all the way through ( 46 overs in our league) at 2 or 3 runs per over and you have a ton, let the other end dominate , just keep going at a steady pace ,dont force it.
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: Kulli on August 11, 2015, 10:56:04 AM
Bat all the way through ( 46 overs in our league) at 2 or 3 runs per over and you have a ton, let the other end dominate , just keep going at a steady pace ,don't force it.

We only play 35 overs, main issue I have had is getting past 50 then making the next 20 or so all in 2's and 3's with the field spread and knackering myself.

Currently I pick my bat up til about horizontal, probably just a fraction above.
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: Seniorplayer on August 11, 2015, 11:02:39 AM
We only play 35 overs, main issue I have had is getting past 50 then making the next 20 or so all in 2's and 3's with the field spread and knackering myself.

Currently I pick my bat up til about horizontal, probably just a fraction above.

As the ball gets older unless you are  exceptionally tall go higher.
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: arsenal123 on August 11, 2015, 12:22:39 PM
I had the exact same problem as you.  Picking my bat up higher has helped massively!
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: Kulli on August 11, 2015, 12:27:55 PM
I had the exact same problem as you.  Picking my bat up higher has helped massively!

Did you do it gradually throughout an innings, or reach a consious point where you decided 'now's the time'. I think I'll try and work on it at nets this week and see how I feel/play.
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: Spanky on August 11, 2015, 12:45:06 PM
So your looking to change your backlift even though your current one is clearly working?

Just a thought maybe look to increase your fitness instead, so your not knackered taking 2s and 3s when the field is spread late in the innings.
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: arsenal123 on August 11, 2015, 12:45:39 PM
Sorry that was a very short naff answer in hindsight.

If I'm batting at the top of the order I pick it up in my regular way and just bat through normally, only picking up a bit higher for spinners (my eye is in, should be able to time it).

If I'm batting middle/lower order and I need to get a move on I'll pick the bat up a lot higher against medium pace and spin from the off.

I first worked on all of this in the nets and its made a notable difference.  I've always been a top order bat in twos cricket and I'm now a number 7 in ECB Prem ones (I'm a keeper).  I was always known for being a nudger/accumulator.  The other day I made a 25 ball 40 at the end so its obviously made a difference.  As always, practice it loads though!
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: Rob580 on August 11, 2015, 12:47:27 PM
I'm sure Ricky Ponting did a piece about his backlift on one of those Sky Masterclass things. He said the key was not particularly high hands, but cocked wrists, allowing you to get the power through that way.

Definitely a video worth watching either way.
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: Seniorplayer on August 11, 2015, 12:51:32 PM
There's posts on here recently regarding holding the bat with cocked wrists.
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: Kulli on August 11, 2015, 12:51:38 PM
So your looking to change your backlift even though your current one is clearly working?

Just a thought maybe look to increase your fitness instead, so your not knackered taking 2s and 3s when the field is spread late in the innings.
I get your point but I'd say that I'm looking to add options to my game when the match situation requires a different approach, I'd like to be able to dominate when set and I was much moire of a boundary hitter before i made the changes, so hoped I could be cheeky and get the best of both worlds.
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: northernboy1987 on August 11, 2015, 01:26:25 PM
I'm sure Ricky Ponting did a piece about his backlift on one of those Sky Masterclass things. He said the key was not particularly high hands, but cocked wrists, allowing you to get the power through that way.

Definitely a video worth watching either way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb6nFAeM2FM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb6nFAeM2FM)

 :)
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: icewolf on August 11, 2015, 01:42:14 PM
I struggle to hit as well but I think practicing with tape ball could help with playing shots


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Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: Buzz on August 11, 2015, 01:56:25 PM
There's posts on here recently regarding holding the bat with cocked wrists.

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=33860.msg533684#msg533684 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=33860.msg533684#msg533684)
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: GarrettJ on August 11, 2015, 02:20:23 PM
bend your elbow at 90 degrees hands high and the bat will be more than high enough especially when you do the backswing .......... a la  Brian Lara

(http://www.strengthspeedagility.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/brianlarabatting-backlift.jpg)


but there is more than one way to skin a cat

(http://www.quintic.com/education/imagesforeducation/Cricket%203.jpg)
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: GarrettJ on August 11, 2015, 02:21:19 PM
matt prior's hands are too low but he scored more runs than me at a high level so i wont argue with him!

the key is the eyes ........... KEEP THEM LEVEL and forget about the height of your backlift
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: Buzz on August 11, 2015, 02:26:33 PM
matt prior's hands are too low but he scored more runs than me at a high level so i wont argue with him!

the key is the eyes ........... KEEP THEM LEVEL and forget about the height of your backlift

What John says here.

I really like that example - even though Andy Flower has been swapped to being right handed!!
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: uknsaunders on August 11, 2015, 02:52:58 PM
I think for the most part you do what's natural. Sometimes tinkering around does more harm than good. That said, if you try something and it feels very natural then why not give it a go. In the past I've tried bat on floor, low backlift, upright and high backlift. Generally I come back to my natural backlift.
Title: Re: Backlift height
Post by: OwzatOllie on August 11, 2015, 10:14:15 PM
Since the end of 2013 I've used a lower backlift, hands are probably no higher than my hips.  Worked a treat since! If I'm looking to get a bit more leverage on the ball then I can go higher up.