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General Cricket => World Cricket => Australia => Topic started by: L21 on August 12, 2015, 10:07:29 AM
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So Steve Smith the new captain of Australia,
What is everyone's opinion on this?
Very difficult to look at anyone in that side with the capability of being a captain (including Smith).
The majority of the team are on the verge of retirement leaving a very young and inexperienced side behind them, the Aussies seems to have a wonderful way of going missing when their team is struggling.
Smith seems to have bottled under the pressure of being the top batsmen and moving to number 3, barring his 200 at Lords, he appears to have really struggled.
The one thing I will never forget, and I hope is never forgotten by the media is his comments regarding England.
I can't wait to get over there and play another Ashes against England in their conditions after beating them so convincingly in Australia," Smith said. "It's going to be nice to go in their backyard. If we continue to play the way we have been playing over the last 12-18 months, I don't think that they'll come close to us to be honest."
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Needs to go on a "talking to the media" course and trot out some of Cook's clichés.
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I think it's a great choice... He will drive the team forward and lead by example...
As for Aussies going missing when their team is struggling you are absolutely ludicrous... I've never seen a country abandon their team like the English when they are struggling.... Just go back and read some of the topics before this ashes series... Then when they perform you all come out of the woodwork saying I told ya so!!!!
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Needs to go on a "talking to the media" course and trot out some of Cook's clichés.
I've noticed a huge change in Cook's attitude towards the press and media and his responses. Much less scripted and not as rehearsed (not least his quip about Bayliss only just rocking up so don't give him too much credit). Completely down to Bayliss and Farbrace and the environment they've created and it's incredibly refreshing. Cook needs to take credit for having an honest look at himself. Takes a brave man to do that in any walk of life.
I think it bodes well for the future and for Cook's captaincy and career. He's outskippered Clarke and been more inventive. No one would've predicted that pre-Ashes.
Smith I would think has learnt a huge lesson regarding his game and the need to be able to play on all surfaces and in all conditions. Big learning curve coming up for him as skipper and as a player. As a pom I hope he does, he certainly has the ability.
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I think it's a great choice... He will drive the team forward and lead by example...
As for Aussies going missing when their team is struggling you are absolutely ludicrous... I've never seen a country abandon their team like the English when they are struggling.... Just go back and read some of the topics before this ashes series... Then when they perform you all come out of the woodwork saying I told ya so!!!!
A little harsh but losing teams tend to fall apart overseas a little. India always seem to have 3 players injured very quickly when they tour England. Swann did a massive bottle on the aus tour. It happens and its not surprising.
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As for Aussies going missing when their team is struggling you are absolutely ludicrous... I've never seen a country abandon their team like the English when they are struggling.... Just go back and read some of the topics before this ashes series... Then when they perform you all come out of the woodwork saying I told ya so!!!!
I wasn't referring to the fans.
I was referring to the players within the losing team.
This is even more prevalent after Warner's comments about "rabbits caught in the headlights" So what were the Aussies in the 60 run innings? They did a pretty good job at hiding during the last test match. Including the pantomime dame M.Johnson.
The difference between England fans and Australian fans is that, the English expect to lose and winning often comes as a nice surprise, hence the arrogance.
Whereas the Aussies seem to think they have a divine right to win every game of cricket they play in and can't accept losing, this comes across in the players, management and commentators.
The only thing the last two Ashes series have shown is that home advantage is the difference between winning and losing.
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I think its harsh to say he bottled it, i think he faced some good bowling in conditions he isnt used to and was found out, i really dont think he "bottled" it
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Yep that's right L21. We set high standards it's what makes us Australian. We had the same attitude helping you guys in both world wars.
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Yep that's right L21. We set high standards it's what makes us Australian. We had the same attitude helping you guys in both world wars.
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I'm not 100% sure how much the World Wars have to do with who will be the next Australian Cricket captain, but for what it's worth I think Smith is the best man for the job.
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At no point did I say he shouldn't be captain!
Nor, did I mention the valued efforts on the Australians in the war.
I just wanted views on his selection as captain.
Personally I think there wasn't any choice and that it has landed at his door whether he likes it or not.
The only reason I say he bottled it is because the way that he was being shown by the media was as if he wouldn't get out all series. He definitely didn't come across as one of the better Australian players (Lords aside)
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i like the choice as captain. seems like a decent enough bat (except in england)
also young enough that he can lead the team for a few years.
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I wasn't referring to the fans.
I was referring to the players within the losing team.
This is even more prevalent after Warner's comments about "rabbits caught in the headlights" So what were the Aussies in the 60 run innings? They did a pretty good job at hiding during the last test match. Including the pantomime dame M.Johnson.
The difference between England fans and Australian fans is that, the English expect to lose and winning often comes as a nice surprise, hence the arrogance.
Whereas the Aussies seem to think they have a divine right to win every game of cricket they play in and can't accept losing, this comes across in the players, management and commentators.
The only thing the last two Ashes series have shown is that home advantage is the difference between winning and losing.
The difference between the England team and the Aussies is that they don't try and create a myth of invincibility as the Aussies did in the runup to this series .
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Read an article that Smith is going to Captain in the manner as Clarke England to continue to retain the Ashes then..
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It's not like there's a huge amount of choice is there?
Out of the Aussies who are reasonably safe in their place in the side for the next 18 months he is the best candidate by far. Warner, Johnson or Lyon as vice captain?
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So Steve Smith the new captain of Australia,
What is everyone's opinion on this?
I can't wait to get over there and play another Ashes against England in their conditions after beating them so convincingly in Australia," Smith said. "It's going to be nice to go in their backyard. If we continue to play the way we have been playing over the last 12-18 months, I don't think that they'll come close to us to be honest."
Smith looks prat in hindsight but lets face it, there were probably eight England players who made similar comments before the last series in Australia. He has struggled against the moving ball, yes, and its a given that he will not continue to be quite as prolific elsewhere as he was the last eighteen months or so...but he hasn't suddenly become terrible overnight, just less the superhuman some Australians made him sound like.
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Cricket (and sport in general) is far more interesting when people are making silly comments like that than when they're talking about bowling good areas and executing skills, so good on him (even if I will laugh at him).
Smith once hit on a girlfriend of mine pretty hard when he was smashed off his bonce (including the line 'you have a bf? don't you know who I am?'), so I'm never going to like the bloke, but he was the obvious choice for captain.
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Cricket (and sport in general) is far more interesting when people are making silly comments like that than when they're talking about bowling good areas and executing skills, so good on him (even if I will laugh at him).
Smith once hit on a girlfriend of mine pretty hard when he was smashed off his bonce (including the line 'you have a bf? don't you know who I am?'), so I'm never going to like the bloke, but he was the obvious choice for captain.
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Pictures of missus now needed as per forum rules.............
Or she doesn't exist ;)
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I think it's a great choice... He will drive the team forward and lead by example...
As for Aussies going missing when their team is struggling you are absolutely ludicrous... I've never seen a country abandon their team like the English when they are struggling.... Just go back and read some of the topics before this ashes series... Then when they perform you all come out of the woodwork saying I told ya so!!!!
your not wrong about three of us stayed loyal some comments now are mental.
Most fans are fickle no matter who you follow
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Yep, Dave. Although I did have it in for Ballance.
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, the Aussies seems to have a wonderful way of going missing when their team is struggling.
*shakes head* this is actually hilarious.
Atleast we managed to win a test. Who were your players that stood up when the going was tough in the last Ashes? 5-0.
Swann retired during a series so that his bowling average didn't go over 30, that is actually one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. Also Trott............ ;)
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You can take pot shots at Swann, but please leave Trott out of it.
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Smith has the makings of a good captain. He seems to have a good relationship with the players now but it will be interesting to see if that continues now that he is officially the top dog.
The interesting decision for mine is who will be the vice captain and lead the team in the event that Smith is unavailable? Due to the senior players verging on retirement and the rest of the team (bar warner and lyon) still cementing their spot in the side it's a tough choice for Cricket Australia.
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Lyon to be the Vice captain, surely then can't give that much responsibility to Ugg!
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Lyon to be the Vice captain, surely then can't give that much responsibility to Ugg!
Would be well deserved if Lyon was VC. He has barely gone into a test without his place being questioned by some armchair selectors.
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You can take pot shots at Swann, but please leave Trott out of it.
Why exactly?
Trott said himself that he was not suffering depression and that he was just feeling "burnt out". He left Australia with his tail tucked between his legs and then he retired just before the next time he had to face them.
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Why exactly?
Trott said himself that he was not suffering depression and that he was just feeling "burnt out". He left Australia with his tail tucked between his legs and then he retired just before the next time he had to face them.
Denial being a classic symptom of mental illness...
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Smith has the makings of a good captain. He seems to have a good relationship with the players now but it will be interesting to see if that continues now that he is officially the top dog.
The interesting decision for mine is who will be the vice captain and lead the team in the event that Smith is unavailable? Due to the senior players verging on retirement and the rest of the team (bar warner and lyon) still cementing their spot in the side it's a tough choice for Cricket Australia.
As the Aussies move on from Clarke Australian selectors have recommended to the board that slogger Warner is the new ODI and test vice Captain
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Ponting can restore baggy green ethos Advance Negotiations are taking place to bring in Ponting
The way the Aussies have performed in the Ashes probably as a batsman
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*shakes head* this is actually hilarious.
Atleast we managed to win a test. Who were your players that stood up when the going was tough in the last Ashes? 5-0.
Swann retired during a series so that his bowling average didn't go over 30, that is actually one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. Also Trott............ ;)
I think you are missing my point entirely here pal.
I made no reference regarding the England performances. Please do feel free to look at my previous posts and you will see my opinion of the players you have mentioned above and also my feelings about this England team going into this Ashes series.
This topic was a debate regarding the Australian crop of players and the selection of Smith as captain, if you are going to defend your performances by comparing yourselves to a team that lost 5-0 as opposed to 3-1 (potentially 4-1) shows how deluded you are.
Please feel free to start a post on the England team and I will give you my honest opinion on what I think of them. However, I feel I have voiced this adequately enough on the current running topics.
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I think you are missing my point entirely here pal.
I made no reference regarding the England performances. Please do feel free to look at my previous posts and you will see my opinion of the players you have mentioned above and also my feelings about this England team going into this Ashes series.
This topic was a debate regarding the Australian crop of players and the selection of Smith as captain, if you are going to defend your performances by comparing yourselves to a team that lost 5-0 as opposed to 3-1 (potentially 4-1) shows how deluded you are.
Please feel free to start a post on the England team and I will give you my honest opinion on what I think of them. However, I feel I have voiced this adequately enough on the current running topics.
Potentially 4 - 1 could have been 5 - 0 if England had batted first on that win the toss win the match Lords wicket.
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Potentially 4 - 1 could have been 5 - 0 if England had batted first on that win the toss win the match Lords wicket.
You mean on the Lords pitch that begged for runs to be scored where England batted and bowled poorly.
Or 1-3 if Australia bowled first on the bowl first win match at Edgbaston.
You won the ashes.. Certainly don't base your results on what if's. We can all do that!!!!!!
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England won at Edgebaston due to Broads brilliance at putting the ball in the right place to ensure it moved late making it difficult to play somthing the Aussie bowlers cannot do.
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*shakes head* this is actually hilarious.
Atleast we managed to win a test. Who were your players that stood up when the going was tough in the last Ashes? 5-0.
Swann retired during a series so that his bowling average didn't go over 30, that is actually one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen. Also Trott............ ;)
To respond to the winning of a test match. At least England have won the ashes away from home in the last 18 years or so.
Don't forget, before Trott and Swann there was Damian Martyn who did the exact same thing and retired mid-series.
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Well you didn't win the toss and you didn't win the match senior player and you haven't won the last test. So it's still 3-1 regardless of your disdain for Australia. The rumour is one of your own board members asked for the pitch to be fixed, in regards to that you've only got yourselves to blame.
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I disagree that winning the toss at Lords won the match. A lot of cricket had to be played after that. There was some crazy scoreboard pressure but England were well and truely pumped at Lords.
I'm pleased that some of the cricket England has played has been excellent. It would have been nice to be a win against a stronger Australian side but you can only beat who is in front of you. Some average play from both sides but it feels good to be winning tests again.
No real point belittling others, lets just hope the Oval is a spectacle with a result at the end of it but lets have 5 days of test cricket!
Oh and Smith was an obvious choice for captain, I think he will do a good job but will need to keep Warner under control
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Well you didn't win the toss and you didn't win the match senior player and you haven't won the last test. So it's still 3-1 regardless of your disdain for Australia. The rumour is one of your own board members asked for the pitch to be fixed, in regards to that you've only got yourselves to blame.
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Fixed or "fixed"
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"fixed"
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Well said giraffe.
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Well you didn't win the toss and you didn't win the match senior player and you haven't won the last test. So it's still 3-1 regardless of your disdain for Australia. The rumour is one of your own board members asked for the pitch to be fixed, in regards to that you've only got yourselves to blame.
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No distain only highlighting that Australia's batsman in particular regal Smith failed to learn from there mistakes at Edgebaston coupled with their failure to respect the moving ball that seams and swings late.
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Agreed seniorplayer
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Smith is captain vs Northants.
Northants put on 393
Australia currently 73 for 4 with smith getting a duck.......
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Smith is captain vs Northants.
Northants put on 393
Australia currently 73 for 4 with smith getting a duck.......
Is the ball moving around.....
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Probably, but it's 87-5 now.
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And an Aussie smashed the Aussie bowlers around the park
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On a positive note, at least we are consitent! :(
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And an Aussie smashed the Aussie bowlers around the park
An Aussie that's accustomed to the conditions..... The other 11 not so much.
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If we seriously want to win the Ashes back, we have to pay the respect needed and have ours guys over there playing County cricket early in the season to get used to the conditions...
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Who can guess how Shane Watson was out?
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If we seriously want to win the Ashes back, we have to pay the respect needed and have ours guys over there playing County cricket early in the season to get used to the conditions...
I thought most of them had played county cricket or and league cricket.
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If we seriously want to win the Ashes back, we have to pay the respect needed and have ours guys over there playing County cricket early in the season to get used to the conditions...
The most sensible post from an Aussie fan on this forum.
Yes,the only way is for your guys to play over here,as many have in the past.
To be the best,which is the goal of england and everyone else you are judged on away victories.
We go into the series against Pakistan as second favourites,same as when we go to India,and Australia last time round.
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Probably, but it's 87-5 now.
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They recovers to 312 for 9 declared. Lyon 41 and cummins 82 not out made the runs.
Cummins to get selected as it strengthens the batting(think I remember he scored runs in his only(or few) test he's played?
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And an Aussie smashed the Aussie bowlers around the park
Oh and he took the honours with the ball too :D