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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: edge on September 09, 2015, 10:18:57 PM
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Just found out that our league (Bristol and District) is proposing some rule changes for next season:
- 9 overs per bowler down from 12 in 45 over games
- 8 overs per bowler down from 10 in 40 over games (lower leagues)
- NO TEAS
I'm torn between that I've always thought 12 overs is daft and lets teams get away with being very unbalanced, and selfish thoughts that I want my 12 overs!
As for no teas, bugger that. They tried it last year and it got voted down, hopefully it does again.
Forum thoughts? Imagine voting will end up being split by which clubs have only 4 bowlers and which have more, or how many bowlers there are on club committees!
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No teas!? No way Pedro, as Delboy used to say.
I wouldn't be too bothered by a reduced over restriction on bowlers, it should (read as: probably won't somehow) get more people involved rather than standing about bored for 40-45 overs. The soon to be former North Manchester League has no restrictions on adult bowlers (juniors only get 8 overs I think) as far as overs go, it leads to some very funny looking team sheets at times, i've seen opening bowlers do the full 45 between them a few times.
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5 bowlers is a good thing, means teams need depth and gets more players a game.. Only a good thing participation wise.
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I like the idea of the reduction in the numbers of overs allowed. our league have max of 12 in a 40 over innings which i think is too many
as for no teas i dont see that improving anything
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Last year at our agm a club proposed no teas. No other club seconded it.
This year(although in a Facebook dedication before the agm) the league has this time suggested no teas!!
The idea has not been met with happiness.
Starting to wonder if it's something there trying to pass down from the top??
That's one thing that would make me consider to retire on Saturdays. The tea is one of my favourite parts, and shan't be happy playing without it.
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@edge where did you find out about these proposed changes mate? I've not had anything from the league
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I quite like the idea of no teas. It's one way of trying to keep costs down and removes the hassle of finding volunteers/bullying mums/wives into doing it every year.
Barely eat anything at tea though, really isn't great stuffing your face just before going out to bat or keep. I'd much prefer food after the game.
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I quite like the idea of no teas. It's one way of trying to keep costs down and removes the hassle of finding volunteers/bullying mums/wives into doing it every year.
Barely eat anything at tea though, really isn't great stuffing your face just before going out to bat or keep. I'd much prefer food after the game.
im with you on this, its getting harder to find people to provide teas. And if you are batting in the top 4'or fielding after tea you don't get to eat much anyway. Simple tea/juice cake/fruit etc would suffice or bring your own. Teas are getting out of hand anyway, at some places you get a banquet including ours, with the club footing the bill.
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I quite like the idea of no teas. It's one way of trying to keep costs down and removes the hassle of finding volunteers/bullying mums/wives into doing it every year.
Barely eat anything at tea though, really isn't great stuffing your face just before going out to bat or keep. I'd much prefer food after the game.
Tea in friendlies is great, I never eat any during league games though and also think it would save on costs and less reliance on players/volunteers being it pressured. Plus, your break can be 10 mins between innings then, rather then 30+ mins.. Saves time which as we are told, is why people can't play.
Our club pay about £60 for teas per game (£35 from oppos), that's a hefty saving per game, and a massive chunk off the match fee. Tbh, while I like traditional part of the game, teas is one thing that can go. Clubs can put food on post match for everyone as a way to get people to stay and use their bar (loss leader). I'd imagine our home match fe would go from £7 to about £4 in an instant which I suspect would be most welcome
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Also the first I've heard about it in the B&D?
Not in agreement with the bowling restrictions, and certainly not regarding teas!!!
To me( being biased, as I'm a fat barsteward) teas are the only truly sociable part of the day, more so than in the bar after the game( when the opposing teams tend to stay in their own huddles.
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I think the restriction to overs is good. If you play limited over cricket you should have a maximum amount of overs to split into 5.
40 overs have 5 x 8
45 overs have 5 x 9
That way it is a game where you need 6 or 7 bowlers to be included in the team.
The idea to abolish tea is just not cricket. If they abolish tea does that mean the match fee's are lowered? It would mean that the majority will bring a pack lunch with them or pop to the shop mid innings as a game from 11-8 on a Saturday will mean people will want some food.
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I think most leagues that I know of have an 8 over limit in 40 over games.
No teas - sounds a bit perilous to me!
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Having played much of my time in the TVL where 2 guys can bowl 26 overs between them, I'm all in favour of promoting balanced teams. The leagues I have played in recently did 45 overs, one league limited it to 12 overs per bowler, the other 10.
Teas are a tricky one. Personally, I'd welcome a smaller tea in a league game. Especially if it promotes healthy eating. I would argue a light tea is cheaper for hard up clubs and healthier for the players. Whether it should be done away with on a Saturday at least is another matter. Certainly not in friendly cricket.
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Having played much of my time in the TVL where 2 guys can bowl 26 overs between them, I'm all in favour of promoting balanced teams. The leagues I have played in recently did 45 overs, one league limited it to 12 overs per bowler, the other 10.
Teas are a tricky one. Personally, I'd welcome a smaller tea in a league game. Especially if it promotes healthy eating. I would argue a light tea is cheaper for hard up clubs and healthier for the players. Whether it should be done away with on a Saturday at least is another matter. Certainly not in friendly cricket.
Nick I have just moved into playing in the TVL and as an off spinner I have been used for several 18 over + spells which is a first as there has always been a cap on overs in other leagues I have played. I think the TVL needs updating and implementing fairer rules for alls.
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I quite like the idea of no teas. It's one way of trying to keep costs down and removes the hassle of finding volunteers/bullying mums/wives into doing it every year.
Barely eat anything at tea though, really isn't great stuffing your face just before going out to bat or keep. I'd much prefer food after the game.
writing as a player whose wife as shopped for food prepared food transported and served food at the club for many seasons
I think it is a good idea and it will eventually happen as clubs find it more difficult to get people to do teas voluntarily andi its nearly always The same people doing teas each week . Tea Rotas don't work Caterers as we know are expensive Also as costs have risen the the standard of teas has also dropped over the years. And has anyone else noticed that quite a few of the players who want teas eat more of them but never volunteer to do them. And in any case Players that want a tea could always bring there own.
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What the club do that I joined mid season is get each of the players to bring one dish up to the value of £3
I generally got Savoury snacks. It worked quite well and everyone got what they were supposed to. The teas were of a decent quality not amazing but decent enough.
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I think no teas would be a bit of a dealbreaker for most cricketers I know. Agreed it can be hard to get someone to make the teas each week and there are usually teams who put in more effort than others. Having said that our club employs a couple of ladies who do the teas for us. We pay them £70 which covers tea for both teams and leaves them with a decent profit. Then we split the £70 with the oppo. I think most in our league do the same. Seems to work pretty well.
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I agree getting harder and harder to find people to do teas so im 50/50 with the no teas things as I think it would put a few off but please quite a few who want to finish that half hour earlier
if we cannot get anyone to do teas we all have to bring enough for 2 people but you have to organise it a bit otherwise its all ham and cheese
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12 overs per bowler, I wish I played in your league!
We play 50 overs and 10 per bowler (or 9 in 45 overs in the lower leagues)
As for scrapping teas, sometimes they're the highlight of the day so I can't see that being agreed
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We have 11 home games in our firsts league, simply done every player does one tea. It shouldn't be a deal breaker on playing getting a meal together one week a season
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@edge where did you find out about these proposed changes mate? I've not had anything from the league
Skipper told us, don't know who told him tbh.
I agree with most of the posts about bowling restrictions tbh, people will be disappointed to lose their extra 3 overs but it would favour more balanced teams which is always a good thing. The way the rules are set up at the moment with 12 per bowler means there's someone at 7 or 8 getting a TFC almost every week in far too many sides.
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WEPL was 10 per bowler in 50 overs in 1st team and 9 overs per bowlers in 45 in the 2's so already implemented it at that level.
Now were back in the B&D it will be interesting to see what rules apply as the 5th bowler was the real struggle in most teams as their weakest link.
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Ah I see, that's clearly what's driven it with the restructure then.
Suits us down to the ground tbh as we have a small army of seamers.
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They have mentioned all these changes in the past, looks like the next couple of league meetings could get lively!
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Just found out that our league (Bristol and District) is proposing some rule changes for next season:
- 9 overs per bowler down from 12 in 45 over games
- 8 overs per bowler down from 10 in 40 over games (lower leagues)
- NO TEAS
I'm torn between that I've always thought 12 overs is daft and lets teams get away with being very unbalanced, and selfish thoughts that I want my 12 overs!
As for no teas, bugger that. They tried it last year and it got voted down, hopefully it does again.
Forum thoughts? Imagine voting will end up being split by which clubs have only 4 bowlers and which have more, or how many bowlers there are on club committees!
Well you were right on the proposal for overs but not yet on the teas, they want to stop sides charging the away side for teas instead and will look to scrap them another year when there aren't so many other changes going on.
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Well you were right on the proposal for overs but not yet on the teas, they want to stop sides charging the away side for teas instead and will look to scrap them another year when there aren't so many other changes going on.
Ahhh good news, are clubs really that unhappy with tea money though? Will definitely be interesting to see which way it goes on the overs, I'm hoping it passes I think.
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Overs will go through mate. The way the league work now it's very difficult for clubs to stop any changes the league want and to be honest this one is quite sensible.
They seem dead set on doing away with teas and imho this is just a sneaky way of moving towards that without making the jump in one go. Clubs will have less incentive to put in decent teas if it goes through so quality will drop and there will be less opposition to scrap entirely at a future vote.
Sad times :(
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we don't charge opposition for tea's here
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we don't charge opposition for tea's here
We only charge for teas in friendlies, in the League they're just provided by the home side.
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Worcestershire leagues have got a dual format going since 2013. Half the season is traditional ODI style 50 overs Win/Lose with five bowlers bowling a maximum of ten and a set of fielding restrictions but then the rest of the season is our classic win, lose or draw with 17 overs per bowler maximum; which can lead to teams who only have two good bowlers doing the job for them and some fairly negative field settings BUT it does allow for a different more gritty and sometimes tense type of cricket when draws come into play and you're fighting for points and can prevent the oppo from getting the maximum. I think it's a pretty decent way of playing the season actually. As far as scrapping teas go that's sacrilege!!! I'd much rather the umpires just jumped all over teams for slow over rates to get things moving. If your not willing to give up your whole day for a game I'd suggest taking up another sport, goes with the territory. Much to the chagrin of our significant, cricket widowed, others.
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They seem dead set on doing away with teas and imho this is just a sneaky way of moving towards that without making the jump in one go. Clubs will have less incentive to put in decent teas if it goes through so quality will drop and there will be less opposition to scrap entirely at a future vote.
Sad times :(
Don't charge the oppo for teas in the wepl mate, and on the whole the quality has improved.
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Yea maybe I'm just being negative after they've mentioned doing away with them the last couple of years.
Lines like "(Support for NO teas but not yet – enough change!)" and "10 minutes between innings/no teas" being included in the info to clubs don't fill me with hope!
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The league is clearly bizarrely keen to get rid of teas for some reason. Can't believe anyone who's played the game would think 10 minute changeovers in a 45 over game is a good idea, would obviously have an immediate effect on the quality of cricket for a start.
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As an opening bat and with our leagues emphasis on winning the toss and batting second as an opener you have to get used to only having around 10 mins between innings you don't really have time for tea particually at home waiting behind the opposition to get there tea although the tea break is 25 mins after fielding first for upto 50 overs I need a cool down wash full gear change and kit on to do it properly it can easily take me 15 mins nothing worse than rushing out to bat not properly ready because as we all know your very quickly back in the pavilion.
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They seem to just see it as another way to cut down the length of the day following the recent player surveys.
30 over matches for lower divisions also mentioned as food for future thought
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30 overs is just pathetic, might as well play 2020 and have done with it and kill off anything but slap and tickle.
As for short turn around times, why not? You don't need 30 mins break, and if someone says 'but I've bowled and then straight out to bat', well tough, that's part of the challenge, or let someone else play!
I'd get rid of teas personally as I dot eat them as I open and don't like eating before fielding and suffer no ill effects during the game even when it's hot
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My Sunday team had a few seasons where we just had a cup of tea and a few biscuits, then back out. We had sausage and chips at the pub afterwards and it worked really well. We've only gone back to making proper teas as the pub started asking far too much. It's a pain as it's really difficult to get players to do the teas and we don't have any wives kind enough to do them each week.
As for overs rules, 5 bowlers all bowling the same amount should be compulsory in all limited overs games. Yes you can argue that a batsman can bat right through an innings, but one mistake and it's all over. Bowlers don't have to stop if they get hit for 6! We should also play the same rules as the pro's with free hits for no balls. Who wouldn't like the chance of a free swing every once in a while!
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The problem with shortened games is that it's far harder to get everyone a game. If I turned up and was batting at 6-7 in a thirty over game, at best I'd get a bat for about 5 overs. I'd soon jack it in. Shortening the game will increase the slide in people dropping out of the game.
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The problem with shortened games is that it's far harder to get everyone a game. If I turned up and was batting at 6-7 in a thirty over game, at best I'd get a bat for about 5 overs. I'd soon jack it in. Shortening the game will increase the slide in people dropping out of the game.
I got my adult cricket start in third team midweek T20, being the young guy I was always batting 10 or 11. You're lucky if you face more than 3 balls. It actually put a few juniors off turning out for the thirds, they didn't see the point if they were only going to be batting for a few balls per game.
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The problem with shortened games is that it's far harder to get everyone a game. If I turned up and was batting at 6-7 in a thirty over game, at best I'd get a bat for about 5 overs. I'd soon jack it in. Shortening the game will increase the slide in people dropping out of the game.
Yey, at last someone speaks sense. Short games only favour sloggers and the top 3-4 batsmen. Bowlers barley get a decent bowl And as you say, anyone from 6+ generally doesn't bat. The only people I've found in unlimited experience who want short games are those who would bat at the top and don't care about the other 10 players and think they are there to make the numbers up.
I really don't get why everyone is so fixated on getting rid of draws and shortening the game. Both IMO are red herrings and will lead to less players playing, not more. That's not even mentioning the inevitable drop in standards that will occur