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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Manormanic on September 10, 2015, 07:59:11 AM
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The poll on cricinfo today - would Yorkshire (at full strength) beat England in a series of five day tests?
Interesting one. A full strength Yorkshire would look something like:
Lyth
Lees/Gale
Williamson
Root
Ballance
Bairstow
Rashid
Bresnan
Plunkett
Sidebottom
Patterson/Brooks
Would leave England with:
Cook
Hales
Ali
Bell
Taylor
Leaning
Stokes
Buttler
Woakes
Broad
Anderson
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Yorkshire wouldn't like that - they'd be struggling under the salary cap.
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I reckon it would be a good contest between the two.
I would change the England team around and remove Woakes & Leaning. I would bring in Vince for Leaning & Footitt or Rushworth for Woakes.
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I would've thought Wood would be in the England side ahead of Woakes.
Ali to open, Bell at 3 and then Vince or Roy in ahead of Leaning.
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Guys! Leaning was my little Yorkie joke - he can't get in our best XI so he can play for England instead. Though I would say he was a better bet than Roy or Vince on form this season!
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It's amazing how weak England's batting order is without the yorkshiremen, still, too strong for Bresnan, Plunkett and Sidebottom, Yorks don't have the bowling attack, and taking 20 wickets wins you games. Plus, Lyth/Ballance/Bairstow vs Anderson? Only Root and Williamson are going to score consistently I think. It's definitely an England win, but definitely makes you think, it's weird how close it would be.
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Guys! Leaning was my little Yorkie joke - he can't get in our best XI so he can play for England instead. Though I would say he was a better bet than Roy or Vince on form this season!
Can't get in the best 11? Bit harsh on Yorkshire second top scorer. Done better than quite a few of the others this year.
Leaning averages 46, only Bairstow averages more as a regular batsman.
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there was a time that the Surrey team (Holioakes team) would have beaten the rest of England team.
Manormanic - to be a proper yorshire team you can't have Williamson! Still I think it would be a good contest.
Prior to the UAE rubbish the champion county used to play the "MCC" in the guise of the England Lions and that was usually a pretty competitative game.
Separately, I am supposed to be at Lord's tomorrow to watch Yorks vs Middlesex, please can someone tell yorkshire to lay off the pedal a bit and for Middlesex to man up or the game will be done today!
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It's amazing how weak England's batting order is without the yorkshiremen, still, too strong for Bresnan, Plunkett and Sidebottom, Yorks don't have the bowling attack, and taking 20 wickets wins you games. Plus, Lyth/Ballance/Bairstow vs Anderson? Only Root and Williamson are going to score consistently I think. It's definitely an England win, but definitely makes you think, it's weird how close it would be.
Interesting clash of perceptions - none of those players have done a thing against that same Yorkshire attack this season....whilst three guys with exemplary records are expected to crumble like a rich tea biscuit...
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Can't get in the best 11? Bit harsh on Yorkshire second top scorer. Done better than quite a few of the others this year.
But who would you leave out? Lyth and Lees are specialist openers, Root and Williamson two of the best half dozen players in teh world and Ballance has an exceptional long term record. Note that I haven't even selected Windy and I'd usually argue him as essential for his leadership...
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But who would you leave out? Lyth and Lees are specialist openers, Root and Williamson two of the best half dozen players in teh world and Ballance has an exceptional long term record. Note that I haven't even selected Windy and I'd usually argue him as essential for his leadership...
Lyth
Root
Williamson/Gale
Ballance
Bairstow
Leaning
Bresnan
Rashid
Plunkett
Sidebottom
Brooks
Would be my choice, I'd question whether we should be allowed to pick Williamson as an overseas player anyway.
I think Lees has gone off the boil a bit this season compared to last and Gale has struggled except in his captaincy.
It's always good to have this type of headache of too many players.
PS - if Gale plays, I'd probably put Ballance at 3 instead.
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When was the last time Williamson played for Yorkshire? Get Tendulkar in while you're at it why don't you.
Be a good game, I think England just shade it on paper, but not by miles.
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On a flat test deck you would hope England would prevail. Plunkett aside I couldn't see England being hurried by the Yorkies attack. That's probably the key difference - better tracks and test batsman use to quality bowling. Root and Williamson aside, I suspect Anderson and Broad would fancy a bowl at the rest.
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When was the last time Williamson played for Yorkshire? Get Tendulkar in while you're at it why don't you.
I went for players registered by the club this season. I only included one overseas as that is what would be permitted for a championship game...
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On a flat test deck you would hope England would prevail. Plunkett aside I couldn't see England being hurried by the Yorkies attack. That's probably the key difference - better tracks and test batsman use to quality bowling. Root and Williamson aside, I suspect Anderson and Broad would fancy a bowl at the rest.
But...
...test quality batsmen? The Yorkshire side has five (Lyth, Root, Balance, Williamson, Bairstow) and the England side three (Cook, Bell, Ali) - I'm including Lyth and Ali on the same basis, they've both made quality test match hundreds. Bresnan, Rashid and Plunkett are more than decent in the middle order too...
As for bowling - England would field Anderson, Broad, Mr X, Stokes, Ali. X being Wood, Finn or perhaps Woakes. Yorkshire Sidebottom, Brooks, Bresnan, Plunkett, Rashid. England have the best individual - Anderson - and a great streak bowler but for pace its a close thing, and Yorkshire have the better third/fourth seamers and a miles better spinner...
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But...
...test quality batsmen? The Yorkshire side has five (Lyth, Root, Balance, Williamson, Bairstow) and the England side three (Cook, Bell, Ali) - I'm including Lyth and Ali on the same basis, they've both made quality test match hundreds. Bresnan, Rashid and Plunkett are more than decent in the middle order too...
As for bowling - England would field Anderson, Broad, Mr X, Stokes, Ali. X being Wood, Finn or perhaps Woakes. Yorkshire Sidebottom, Brooks, Bresnan, Plunkett, Rashid. England have the best individual - Anderson - and a great streak bowler but for pace its a close thing, and Yorkshire have the better third/fourth seamers and a miles better spinner...
Bairstow???
Balance ??
Lyth??
All the above aren't really test quality. England should prevail really due to depth but tbh.. Stocks are bare so it'd probably come down to on the day
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Stocks are bare! :o
You'd have thought he would have learned!
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The most controversial element of this thread is seeing Woakes in an England test side
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Bairstow???
Balance ??
Lyth??
All the above aren't really test quality. England should prevail really due to depth but tbh.. Stocks are bare so it'd probably come down to on the day
One averages over 50...the other two I agree a cynical Southerner might disagree on, but they've shown enough to suggest they're close...
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It is quite funny - I remember the Olympics and the commentator stating that if Yorkshire was a Country then they would be quite high on the medal table in their own right!! And now if you look at their Cricket team, they seem to be pretty strong as well! It must be the tea they drink!!!!!!
Take a bow Yorkshire :D
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Spent the day at lords watching the esteemed Yorkshire bowlers struggle to knock over the Middlesex tail today....
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Spent the day at lords watching the esteemed Yorkshire bowlers struggle to knock over the Middlesex tail today....
Championship winning hangover!!
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Reasonable to say the 12th Man was ferrying a lot of drinks on to the bowlers in the morning.
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Yes indeed - Middlesex handed out quite the spanking to the Champions!!!
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maybe it was a tactical gifting of the title to our B side? :)
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I can't believe super James Middlebrook doesn't get in either side. ;)